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Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.

David Goldfield
 

I’m not aware of a reliable method to move to the end of a form on a Web page. The Window-Eyes screen reader had this capability and I can see why it would be useful but I don’t believe there’s a way to do it with NVDA. If the capability exists in a third party addon I’m not aware of it but I certainly haven’t looked through all features in all existing addons..

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 3:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.

 

Thank you David.

Let me try your suggestion.

Thank you very much for your help.

Ravi.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 11:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.

 

Ravi,

Regarding ads you can do more than skip them. Why not block them with an ad blocker such as

UBlock Origin.

Because ad blockers are not relevant to NVDA itself it would be better to talk about this type of software on the chat subgroup.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.

 

Hi,

Is there a simple way to skip the advertisements in a webpage?

Instead of pressing the down arrow key several times till the end of the advertisement, any simple way to reach the next required text or data?

Also, a same way to skip the form fields in a page?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Ravi.


Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.

Ravindran V.S.
 

Thank you David.

Let me try your suggestion.

Thank you very much for your help.

Ravi.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 11:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.

 

Ravi,

Regarding ads you can do more than skip them. Why not block them with an ad blocker such as

UBlock Origin.

Because ad blockers are not relevant to NVDA itself it would be better to talk about this type of software on the chat subgroup.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.

 

Hi,

Is there a simple way to skip the advertisements in a webpage?

Instead of pressing the down arrow key several times till the end of the advertisement, any simple way to reach the next required text or data?

Also, a same way to skip the form fields in a page?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Ravi.


Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.

Ravindran V.S.
 

Thank you Jene.

I use the Chrome as the default. Will try as you suggested.

 

Thanks,

Ravi.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.

 

One way to remove advertising is to use an ad blocker.  uBlock Origin is a well thought of ad blocker.  It appears to be better than another popular one, Ad Block Plus (spelling.)

Another way to block ads is to use the Brave browser. 

Gene

On 6/26/2022 1:05 AM, Ravindran V.S. wrote:

Hi,

Is there a simple way to skip the advertisements in a webpage?

Instead of pressing the down arrow key several times till the end of the advertisement, any simple way to reach the next required text or data?

Also, a same way to skip the form fields in a page?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Ravi.

 


Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.

David Goldfield
 

Ravi,

Regarding ads you can do more than skip them. Why not block them with an ad blocker such as UBlock Origin.

Because ad blockers are not relevant to NVDA itself it would be better to talk about this type of software on the chat subgroup.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.

 

Hi,

Is there a simple way to skip the advertisements in a webpage?

Instead of pressing the down arrow key several times till the end of the advertisement, any simple way to reach the next required text or data?

Also, a same way to skip the form fields in a page?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Ravi.


Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.

Gene
 

One way to remove advertising is to use an ad blocker.  uBlock Origin is a well thought of ad blocker.  It appears to be better than another popular one, Ad Block Plus (spelling.)

Another way to block ads is to use the Brave browser. 

Gene

On 6/26/2022 1:05 AM, Ravindran V.S. wrote:

Hi,

Is there a simple way to skip the advertisements in a webpage?

Instead of pressing the down arrow key several times till the end of the advertisement, any simple way to reach the next required text or data?

Also, a same way to skip the form fields in a page?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Ravi.



Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.

Ravindran V.S.
 

Hi,

Is there a simple way to skip the advertisements in a webpage?

Instead of pressing the down arrow key several times till the end of the advertisement, any simple way to reach the next required text or data?

Also, a same way to skip the form fields in a page?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Ravi.


Re: Reading long tables in PDF files

Desert Moon
 

Hello Eilana    and List,
I use Adobe Acrobat Pro at work too. Two work-arounds to consider:

1. Export your PDF file to a Word file. Then use NVDA to read the table in Word.
2. Use the Read Out Loud function within Adobe.
--
Desert


Re: Pauses in MS-Word

Gene
 

No, but perhaps this is an instance of a problem being solved by closing and opening the screen-reader again or by rebooting.  Was that the first time you closed and ran the screen-reader since the problem began? 

At times, shutting down and running a screen-reader solves problems and sometimes problems that you wouldn't expect to have anything to do with the screen-reader.  At times, if I can't copy or paste, closing and running the screen-reader solves the problem.  Then there is rebooting, which also solves many odd [problems. 

Gene

On 6/25/2022 3:16 PM, Ralph Boersema wrote:

Dear Gene,

 

 

I tried using Narrator and there were no pauses. Then I tried NVDA again and there were also no more significant pauses—only a bit when I selected many of the document formatting options. I tried over some time to reproduce the delays I had struggled with before, but without success. Is it possible that Narrator reset something in the Word document or in Windows 10?

Warmly,

Ralph .

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 12:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord

 

the article makes suggestions but doesn't explain how to do the various things suggested.  This has nothing to do with accessibility but rather of knowledge of how to do what is suggested.  So, blind or sighted, these things are probably all accessible, they all sound accessible to me. 

We'll see if people explain how to do these things but before doing them, and we don't know if they will help or not, try seeing if this is an NVDA problem.  Are you using Windows 10?  If so, it is easy to see how responsive Word is using Narrator.

Unload NVDA.
Run Narrator with the command control Windows key enter.  That is, hold both control and the Windows key and Press enter.
When you want to unload Narrator, use the same command.
Narrator uses the same read to end commands as NVDA, at least in the desktop keyboard settings, which are those it uses by default.  I don't know what commands it uses in the laptop keyboard settings.  It also uses caps lock as a Narrator key, or insert, probably either insert.
If you are using NVDA key down arrow for read to end, try the same in Narrator.
Movement commands should be the same, such as read by paragraph, down and up arrow to move by line, etc. 
The read current line command is NVDA key numpad 8, that is, hold the NVDA key and press NVD 8 while doing so. 
If you get sluggishness moving through documents with Narrator, then the problem is either not an NVDA problem or it is not all an NVDA problem.  Before doing various tasks such As are discussed in the article, it should be determined if this is an NVDA problem or not to the extent testing can determine that.

Also, what do you use Word to do?  Another way around the problem, which hasn't been discussed at all, is to use another program to work with the documents you are working with.  But we need to know what you do with the documents.  Are you using Word features where you need word or are you just going through documents and manually changing or revising the document?

Gene

On 6/24/2022 9:42 AM, Ralph Boersema wrote:

https://expediencesoftware.com/what-is-causing-microsoft-word-to-slow-down/
 
Ralph 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord
 
What are those things the web is "telling you to do"?
Perhaps we can help you do them without having to enlist a light-slave.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema
Sent: June 24, 2022 6:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord
 
Yes, it seems to have nothing to do with NVDA. The web tells me a number of things to do that I can't understand. I'll have to get a sighted tech to help me out on this.
 
Ralph 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 3:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord
 
I've seen this sort of thing as well, and its nothing apparently to do with the version of word. Its as if there is a spike in resource grabbing somewhere every so often then it returns to normal again. I always put this down to something else other than nvda, as it also seems to upset the typing according to sighted people where you can go on typing then all the missing ones arrive on screen at once. Is this what the other person gets?
 Brian
 
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From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 5:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord
 
 
Dear Friends,
 
 
 
I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA. 
Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA?
 
 
 
Warmly,
 
Ralph
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

 



Re: Pauses in MS-Word

Ralph Boersema
 

Dear Gene,

 

 

I tried using Narrator and there were no pauses. Then I tried NVDA again and there were also no more significant pauses—only a bit when I selected many of the document formatting options. I tried over some time to reproduce the delays I had struggled with before, but without success. Is it possible that Narrator reset something in the Word document or in Windows 10?

Warmly,

Ralph .

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 12:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord

 

the article makes suggestions but doesn't explain how to do the various things suggested.  This has nothing to do with accessibility but rather of knowledge of how to do what is suggested.  So, blind or sighted, these things are probably all accessible, they all sound accessible to me. 

We'll see if people explain how to do these things but before doing them, and we don't know if they will help or not, try seeing if this is an NVDA problem.  Are you using Windows 10?  If so, it is easy to see how responsive Word is using Narrator.

Unload NVDA.
Run Narrator with the command control Windows key enter.  That is, hold both control and the Windows key and Press enter.
When you want to unload Narrator, use the same command.
Narrator uses the same read to end commands as NVDA, at least in the desktop keyboard settings, which are those it uses by default.  I don't know what commands it uses in the laptop keyboard settings.  It also uses caps lock as a Narrator key, or insert, probably either insert.
If you are using NVDA key down arrow for read to end, try the same in Narrator.
Movement commands should be the same, such as read by paragraph, down and up arrow to move by line, etc. 
The read current line command is NVDA key numpad 8, that is, hold the NVDA key and press NVD 8 while doing so. 
If you get sluggishness moving through documents with Narrator, then the problem is either not an NVDA problem or it is not all an NVDA problem.  Before doing various tasks such As are discussed in the article, it should be determined if this is an NVDA problem or not to the extent testing can determine that.

Also, what do you use Word to do?  Another way around the problem, which hasn't been discussed at all, is to use another program to work with the documents you are working with.  But we need to know what you do with the documents.  Are you using Word features where you need word or are you just going through documents and manually changing or revising the document?

Gene

On 6/24/2022 9:42 AM, Ralph Boersema wrote:

https://expediencesoftware.com/what-is-causing-microsoft-word-to-slow-down/
 
Ralph 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord
 
What are those things the web is "telling you to do"?
Perhaps we can help you do them without having to enlist a light-slave.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema
Sent: June 24, 2022 6:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord
 
Yes, it seems to have nothing to do with NVDA. The web tells me a number of things to do that I can't understand. I'll have to get a sighted tech to help me out on this.
 
Ralph 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 3:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord
 
I've seen this sort of thing as well, and its nothing apparently to do with the version of word. Its as if there is a spike in resource grabbing somewhere every so often then it returns to normal again. I always put this down to something else other than nvda, as it also seems to upset the typing according to sighted people where you can go on typing then all the missing ones arrive on screen at once. Is this what the other person gets?
 Brian
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 5:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord
 
 
Dear Friends,
 
 
 
I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA. 
Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA?
 
 
 
Warmly,
 
Ralph
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

 


[Solved] Pacmate 40 display problem

Andre Vosloo
 

Hi all

 

My display stopped working.  It does show pm40 on the display.  I have the focus driver installed,, however nvda will not load the   display.  Restarted several times.  Please assist.

 

 

regards


Re: Reading long tables in PDF files

Brian's Mail list account
 

Do we know if the pdf table is actually reading what is there or not, ie, is it intelligently adding the header names, then the maker of the document repeats them, so over time you build up multiples of the text?

Is there any way in Adobe Reader these days to view the entire document without moving between pages. I know there used to be, but since PDFs cause all manner of odd effects, I try to get hold of alternative formats when I can, so I don't use it a lot.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Eilana Benish" <benish.ilana@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2022 7:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] Reading long tables in PDF files


Hello everybody

I am using the latest version of NVDA and adobe DC pro 2020

recently I have encountered a strange behavior with reading long tables
onPDF files

For example table with 62 rows and 6 columns

The problem is that after the first page of that table, when keep reading
the table in the next pages, NVDA starts to read the column header twice
for each column header. and then after a few pages NVDA read three times
the name of the column header for each cell on the table.

I tried to read this table with several voices and synthesizers and it
seems that this problem keeps occurring with every synthesizer such as
windows 1 core voices and vocalizer expressive. Also I have tested this
with two accessible PDF files.

Does nv-access or anybody knows about this issue and what can be done to
fix that?





Reading long tables in PDF files

Eilana Benish
 

Hello everybody

I am using the latest version of NVDA and adobe DC pro 2020

recently I have encountered a strange behavior with reading long tables onPDF files

For example table  with 62 rows and 6 columns

The problem is that after the first page of that table, when keep reading the table in the next pages, NVDA starts to read the column header twice for each column header. and then after a few pages NVDA read three times the name of the column header for each cell on the table.

I tried to read this table with several voices and synthesizers and it seems that this problem keeps occurring with every synthesizer such as windows 1 core voices and vocalizer expressive. Also I have tested this with two accessible PDF files.

Does nv-access or anybody knows about this issue and what can be done to fix that?

 

 

 

 

 




Re: NVDA reporting blank

Luke Davis
 

Gene wrote:

I just read the description  of the features of the add-on and I found nothing similar to what the Text Analyzer does. 
I can't comment. What I relayed was the substance of the discussion on the addons list, to which Brian G. referred. I have never used either the JAWS tool, or Global Extension, so can't comment further.

Luke


[Solved] Issue with Microsoft Quick Assist & NVDA

Dimitrios Tsakiridis
 

Hello, and good evening from Greece:

 

Today, I visited Microsoft store, and I received the latest update of Microsoft Quick assist.

The problem was fixed, and all works properly.

 

Best regards, Dimitrios Tsakiridis.

 

Στάλθηκε από την Αλληλογραφία για τα Windows

 

Από: Stephen
Αποστολή: Παρασκευή, 24 Ιουνίου 2022 1:53 μμ
Προς: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Θέμα: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Quick assist

 

Dimitrios, can you please email me privately?

Thanks.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dimitrios Tsakiridis <dtsak27@...>

Sent: 6/19/2022 6:14:44 PM

Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Quick assist

Hello every one, and Good morning from Greece:

 

I install the latest version of Quick assist for Windows 10, from Microsoft store.

The NVDA does not read any think, when I open the application.

I have the latest version of NVDA.

 

Best regards, Dimitrios Tsakiridis.

 

Στάλθηκε από την Αλληλογραφία για τα Windows

 

 


Re: looking for an NVDA trainer in Columbus Georgia

Gene
 

Then there probably won't be that much to teach.  The woman may not realize that most of what she does will likely be the same or very similar.

Gene

On 6/24/2022 1:25 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
The woman says she knows how to use a computer but just needs training on using NVDA. If you are interested in contacting her, Brian, please contact me privately and I will give you her contact information.

Thanks.

Betsy


----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Date: Friday, June 24, 2022 12:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for an NVDA trainer in Columbus Georgia

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 06:22 PM, Gene wrote:
What training does the person want?
-
As someone who does this sort of tutoring on a regular basis, I cannot begin to say how important the answer to this and the additional question Gene posed is.
Even if the person has never touched a screen reader, if they are already a skilled computer user by sight (or were when they had sight), it's an entirely different ball game than it is when someone is starting from ground zero.
My most recent client is a gentleman in his mid-40s who never touched a computer before, and who still has enough vision to use ZoomText at the moment.  But the challenge of getting him to understand all the computer basics is a far bigger challenge than dealing with ZoomText is, but ZoomText still adds to the overall challenge because you are only seeing part of the entire screen enlarged.  But my central point here is it's really important to know what the scope of training is before one agrees to undertake it.
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The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
~ Dorothy Nevill










Re: looking for an NVDA trainer in Columbus Georgia

Betsy Grenevitch
 

The woman says she knows how to use a computer but just needs training on using NVDA. If you are interested in contacting her, Brian, please contact me privately and I will give you her contact information.

Thanks.

Betsy

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Date: Friday, June 24, 2022 12:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for an NVDA trainer in Columbus Georgia

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 06:22 PM, Gene wrote:

What training does the person want?
-
As someone who does this sort of tutoring on a regular basis, I cannot begin to say how important the answer to this and the additional question Gene posed is.
Even if the person has never touched a screen reader, if they are already a skilled computer user by sight (or were when they had sight), it's an entirely different ball game than it is when someone is starting from ground zero.
My most recent client is a gentleman in his mid-40s who never touched a computer before, and who still has enough vision to use ZoomText at the moment.  But the challenge of getting him to understand all the computer basics is a far bigger challenge than dealing with ZoomText is, but ZoomText still adds to the overall challenge because you are only seeing part of the entire screen enlarged.  But my central point here is it's really important to know what the scope of training is before one agrees to undertake it.
--
Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: looking for an NVDA trainer in Columbus Georgia

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I do not see another email with another question except yours. I will ask the girl. I do not know her.

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Date: Friday, June 24, 2022 12:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for an NVDA trainer in Columbus Georgia

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 06:22 PM, Gene wrote:

What training does the person want?
-
As someone who does this sort of tutoring on a regular basis, I cannot begin to say how important the answer to this and the additional question Gene posed is.
Even if the person has never touched a screen reader, if they are already a skilled computer user by sight (or were when they had sight), it's an entirely different ball game than it is when someone is starting from ground zero.
My most recent client is a gentleman in his mid-40s who never touched a computer before, and who still has enough vision to use ZoomText at the moment.  But the challenge of getting him to understand all the computer basics is a far bigger challenge than dealing with ZoomText is, but ZoomText still adds to the overall challenge because you are only seeing part of the entire screen enlarged.  But my central point here is it's really important to know what the scope of training is before one agrees to undertake it.
--
Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: looking for an NVDA trainer in Columbus Georgia

 

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 06:22 PM, Gene wrote:
What training does the person want?
-
As someone who does this sort of tutoring on a regular basis, I cannot begin to say how important the answer to this and the additional question Gene posed is.

Even if the person has never touched a screen reader, if they are already a skilled computer user by sight (or were when they had sight), it's an entirely different ball game than it is when someone is starting from ground zero.

My most recent client is a gentleman in his mid-40s who never touched a computer before, and who still has enough vision to use ZoomText at the moment.  But the challenge of getting him to understand all the computer basics is a far bigger challenge than dealing with ZoomText is, but ZoomText still adds to the overall challenge because you are only seeing part of the entire screen enlarged.  But my central point here is it's really important to know what the scope of training is before one agrees to undertake it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Pauses in MS-Word

Gene
 

the article makes suggestions but doesn't explain how to do the various things suggested.  This has nothing to do with accessibility but rather of knowledge of how to do what is suggested.  So, blind or sighted, these things are probably all accessible, they all sound accessible to me. 

We'll see if people explain how to do these things but before doing them, and we don't know if they will help or not, try seeing if this is an NVDA problem.  Are you using Windows 10?  If so, it is easy to see how responsive Word is using Narrator.

Unload NVDA.
Run Narrator with the command control Windows key enter.  That is, hold both control and the Windows key and Press enter.
When you want to unload Narrator, use the same command.
Narrator uses the same read to end commands as NVDA, at least in the desktop keyboard settings, which are those it uses by default.  I don't know what commands it uses in the laptop keyboard settings.  It also uses caps lock as a Narrator key, or insert, probably either insert.
If you are using NVDA key down arrow for read to end, try the same in Narrator.
Movement commands should be the same, such as read by paragraph, down and up arrow to move by line, etc. 
The read current line command is NVDA key numpad 8, that is, hold the NVDA key and press NVD 8 while doing so. 
If you get sluggishness moving through documents with Narrator, then the problem is either not an NVDA problem or it is not all an NVDA problem.  Before doing various tasks such As are discussed in the article, it should be determined if this is an NVDA problem or not to the extent testing can determine that.

Also, what do you use Word to do?  Another way around the problem, which hasn't been discussed at all, is to use another program to work with the documents you are working with.  But we need to know what you do with the documents.  Are you using Word features where you need word or are you just going through documents and manually changing or revising the document?

Gene


On 6/24/2022 9:42 AM, Ralph Boersema wrote:
https://expediencesoftware.com/what-is-causing-microsoft-word-to-slow-down/

Ralph 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 9:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord

What are those things the web is "telling you to do"?
Perhaps we can help you do them without having to enlist a light-slave.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema
Sent: June 24, 2022 6:51 AM
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Yes, it seems to have nothing to do with NVDA. The web tells me a number of things to do that I can't understand. I'll have to get a sighted tech to help me out on this.

Ralph 

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I've seen this sort of thing as well, and its nothing apparently to do with the version of word. Its as if there is a spike in resource grabbing somewhere every so often then it returns to normal again. I always put this down to something else other than nvda, as it also seems to upset the typing according to sighted people where you can go on typing then all the missing ones arrive on screen at once. Is this what the other person gets?
 Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord


Dear Friends,



I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA. 
Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA?



Warmly,

Ralph






























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Re: Pauses in MS-Word

Ralph Boersema
 

My problem is that I am not that computer literate. I can call on a son-in-law.

As I progressed on proofreading my 22 page file, I have come to think that there could be an NVDA problem, after all. This is because pauses became failures to read at all. There were times when it was silent for paragraph reading, word reading, sentence reading and even letter reading. I could only get it to read again by selecting words.

Ralph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord

I don't see anything in that article that isn't accessible to us.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema
Sent: June 24, 2022 10:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord

https://expediencesoftware.com/what-is-causing-microsoft-word-to-slow-down/

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord

What are those things the web is "telling you to do"?
Perhaps we can help you do them without having to enlist a light-slave.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema
Sent: June 24, 2022 6:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord

Yes, it seems to have nothing to do with NVDA. The web tells me a number of things to do that I can't understand. I'll have to get a sighted tech to help me out on this.

Ralph

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Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 3:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord

I've seen this sort of thing as well, and its nothing apparently to do with the version of word. Its as if there is a spike in resource grabbing somewhere every so often then it returns to normal again. I always put this down to something else other than nvda, as it also seems to upset the typing according to sighted people where you can go on typing then all the missing ones arrive on screen at once. Is this what the other person gets?
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 5:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord


Dear Friends,



I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA.
Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA?



Warmly,

Ralph

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