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Re: using nvda on google doodle polls

Mary Otten
 

Thanks for the help, Gene. I got sighted help; the whole thing is the worst doodle poll I've seen yet. They use to be accessible sometimes.

Mary


On 6/30/2022 3:00 AM, Gene wrote:

I just tried the submit button and a dialog comes up asking for my name and e-mail address so the form may be usable after all.  But it might be a good idea to verify that you are placing information where you think you are in terms of check boxes and there are one or two check boxes that I don't understand what they do.  Their purpose might be more clear to a sighted user.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:56 AM, Gene wrote:
Probably a final word at this time:
First, when moving with the Brave browser, stay in browse mode and down arrow through the form. 

Also, I thought I had figured out how this form might be used, but it may be unusable.  There is no can't find a time button and no dialog to enter your name and e-mail address.  I didn't press the submit button when using the brave browser to see what happens.  You can try and maybe you will be asked for the information, which would appear to make the form usable.

Gene
On 6/30/2022 4:50 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is more information.  I just tried this using the Brave browser.  I suspect the results would be the same or similar in any Chrome-based browser.  I saw a lot more fields and checking check boxes with the space bar works.  But be careful you understand what you are checking.  You seem to see different dates and days of the week, such as Wednesday, July     13 and check boxes for different times.

Evidently, Firefox doesn't see most of the check boxes.  All I can say is experiment and it might be a good idea to have a sighted person look at the results of what you are doing to see if what seems to be happenning is, that is, are you checking the times for the date you think you are?

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:31 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a correction and another  minor correction. 
On the button that places me in the wrong field where I said that returning to it and repeating the command many times changes the state of the check box, that doesn't work.  Do the following instead,
When you are moved to the wrong field, tab back to the actual check  box.  Use the numpad insert numpad plus command once on the check box.  You will hear check if it is unchecked.  Then shift tab to the button and use the double click command, NVDA insert NVDA enter issued very quickly the same command you have been using.  That works, or it did the two times I tested it.

the minor correction is that at times, issuing what I'm calling the double click command only once works with other check boxes.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:20 AM, Gene wrote:
This way seems to work.  It may sound involved but it may sound a lot more involved than it is.  I hope it works for you.  I did this using my Windows 7 machine, Firefox and NVDA.  You can see if it works on your system with whatever browsers you want to try.

It appears I figured out how to get the check boxes to check and uncheck, but I don't understand why this works and why another thing doesn't work.  Try the following:
Tab around and be on something you want to check.  Turn off browse mode.  You will find a button and a check box, both for the same thing.  If you use keyboard commands, nothing will happen. 
You will find that if you are on a check box, using the default action command, numpad insert numpad enter, you will hear check if the box is unchecked and uncheck if the box is checked.  However, if you then look at the state of the check box, you will find it unchanged. 

Instead, work with the button associated with the check box, which is a shift tab back from the check box.
Use the same command, numpad insert, numpad enter. 
Issue the command twice quickly, as though you were double clicking a mouse.  Check the check box by tabbing once to it.  This doesn't work the first time, at least not usually.  Shift back to the button and Issue the double click command again and check.  If that doesn't work, issue it a third  time, going back to the button to issue the command every time.  This usually works for me after the second or I think sometimes the third time I issue the command.

As you tab, after you have checked whatever you want, you will find a button that says cannot find a time.  Press the space bar on it and a dialog will come up to fill in your name and e-mail address. Fill in both fields and tab to the appropriate button.  I don't recall what it says but use it to submit the form.

I noticed on one of the fields in this form that when I would double click the button, it moved me to a completely different field, moving me backward.  but if I kept tabbing back to the right button and double clicking it, after a number of times, the check box was checked. 

This is such a ramshackle way of doing things because of the odd now it works and now it doesn't nature of what is occurring that all I can say is these methods or about these methods work when I try them on this form.  You may find you need to experiment but I'm not at all sure anything else works. 

While this is hardly ideal, it seems to let you do what you want in filling out such a form.  I have no idea if you can create one successfully.

Gene

On 6/29/2022 10:10 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke
















Re: reducing the frequency of progress updates

 

Not that I should be saying this,
but I thought "live regions" could either be "aggressive" or "assertive".

Jason Bratcher


Re: Switching to a paper login at a website

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you are describing.  There is an edit field for the user name but the next edit field is for the password.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 9:30 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:

Hi Gene,

 

The item is not a graphic. Use firefox and see if you hear “clickable” as soon as you down arrow from the user name edit box.

 

Pramav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 7:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching to a paper login at a website

 

How do you see the graphic?  I see nothing and if I press enter on lines where I hear nothing, if I up arrow once from the username field and press enter, I'm placed in the username field, the same with the password field.

also,  how do you know which mode you are in?  I see two items, one that says live and the other says paper but they don't indicate in any way which is active.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 8:10 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:

Hi Tyler,
 
A very clever solution. However, my hitting the resulting  button did not do anything. I tried with both google chrome and firefox. 
I however explored some more and found an unlabeled clickable item after the user name edit field. I hit enter on that and was able to switch to paper trading mode.
 
Pranav
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 2:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching to a paper login at a website
 
Open the dev console with ctrl+shift+i. In the edit box, type:
 
document.querySelector('span.switchery').setAttribute("role", "button")
 
Hit enter, close the console with the same key and hit the button that should've appeared.
 
On 6/30/2022 1:43 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi all,
 
See the page at the below link.
https://www.interactivebrokers.co.in/sso/Login?RL=1
 
The above link is the login page for my stock broker. I have a live trading
facility and a paper trading facility.    The default login is live. There
are 2 items above the user name box live and paper. I want to activate 
the paper option.
How do I do this? I have tried object navigation and hitting enter and 
also switching to forms mode on that item and hitting enter without success.
 
If this is the case for a physical mouse, I do have a USB mouse 
connected to this machine. Brian, can your mouse pad advice work with 
a USB mouse or should I switch to an  optical mouse?
Pranav
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 



Re: Switching to a paper login at a website

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Gene,

 

The item is not a graphic. Use firefox and see if you hear “clickable” as soon as you down arrow from the user name edit box.

 

Pramav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 7:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching to a paper login at a website

 

How do you see the graphic?  I see nothing and if I press enter on lines where I hear nothing, if I up arrow once from the username field and press enter, I'm placed in the username field, the same with the password field.

also,  how do you know which mode you are in?  I see two items, one that says live and the other says paper but they don't indicate in any way which is active.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 8:10 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:

Hi Tyler,
 
A very clever solution. However, my hitting the resulting  button did not do anything. I tried with both google chrome and firefox. 
I however explored some more and found an unlabeled clickable item after the user name edit field. I hit enter on that and was able to switch to paper trading mode.
 
Pranav
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 2:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching to a paper login at a website
 
Open the dev console with ctrl+shift+i. In the edit box, type:
 
document.querySelector('span.switchery').setAttribute("role", "button")
 
Hit enter, close the console with the same key and hit the button that should've appeared.
 
On 6/30/2022 1:43 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi all,
 
See the page at the below link.
https://www.interactivebrokers.co.in/sso/Login?RL=1
 
The above link is the login page for my stock broker. I have a live trading
facility and a paper trading facility.    The default login is live. There
are 2 items above the user name box live and paper. I want to activate 
the paper option.
How do I do this? I have tried object navigation and hitting enter and 
also switching to forms mode on that item and hitting enter without success.
 
If this is the case for a physical mouse, I do have a USB mouse 
connected to this machine. Brian, can your mouse pad advice work with 
a USB mouse or should I switch to an  optical mouse?
Pranav
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 


Re: Switching to a paper login at a website

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Brian,

<snip knowing why you're trying to activate the paper option

PL] I wanted to test if the paper trading credentials were working.

Pranav

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching to a paper login at a website

 

Pranav,

In general, mouse advice is mouse type agnostic.  It applies to old style mechanical mice with the rolling ball, optical mice, and mouse pads on laptops.

If you look at the source code for this page that paper versus live toggle (and it does appear visually as a toggle) is implemented as a checkbox.  Yet, for some reason, it is entirely inaccessible via screen reader.

Not knowing why you're trying to activate the paper option, I do want to let you know that doing so makes the entire background on the login screen go red and a red frame with the word SIMULATED (all caps) appears as a frame around where you enter your login credentials.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Switching to a paper login at a website

Gene
 

How do you see the graphic?  I see nothing and if I press enter on lines where I hear nothing, if I up arrow once from the username field and press enter, I'm placed in the username field, the same with the password field.

also,  how do you know which mode you are in?  I see two items, one that says live and the other says paper but they don't indicate in any way which is active.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 8:10 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:

Hi Tyler,

A very clever solution. However, my hitting the resulting  button did not do anything. I tried with both google chrome and firefox. 
I however explored some more and found an unlabeled clickable item after the user name edit field. I hit enter on that and was able to switch to paper trading mode.

Pranav

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 2:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching to a paper login at a website

Open the dev console with ctrl+shift+i. In the edit box, type:

document.querySelector('span.switchery').setAttribute("role", "button")

Hit enter, close the console with the same key and hit the button that should've appeared.

On 6/30/2022 1:43 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi all,

See the page at the below link.
https://www.interactivebrokers.co.in/sso/Login?RL=1

The above link is the login page for my stock broker. I have a live trading
facility and a paper trading facility.    The default login is live. There
are 2 items above the user name box live and paper. I want to activate 
the paper option.
How do I do this? I have tried object navigation and hitting enter and 
also switching to forms mode on that item and hitting enter without success.

If this is the case for a physical mouse, I do have a USB mouse 
connected to this machine. Brian, can your mouse pad advice work with 
a USB mouse or should I switch to an  optical mouse?
Pranav

















Re: Switching to a paper login at a website

 

Pranav,

In general, mouse advice is mouse type agnostic.  It applies to old style mechanical mice with the rolling ball, optical mice, and mouse pads on laptops.

If you look at the source code for this page that paper versus live toggle (and it does appear visually as a toggle) is implemented as a checkbox.  Yet, for some reason, it is entirely inaccessible via screen reader.

Not knowing why you're trying to activate the paper option, I do want to let you know that doing so makes the entire background on the login screen go red and a red frame with the word SIMULATED (all caps) appears as a frame around where you enter your login credentials.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Switching to a paper login at a website

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Tyler,

A very clever solution. However, my hitting the resulting button did not do anything. I tried with both google chrome and firefox.
I however explored some more and found an unlabeled clickable item after the user name edit field. I hit enter on that and was able to switch to paper trading mode.

Pranav

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 2:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching to a paper login at a website

Open the dev console with ctrl+shift+i. In the edit box, type:

document.querySelector('span.switchery').setAttribute("role", "button")

Hit enter, close the console with the same key and hit the button that should've appeared.

On 6/30/2022 1:43 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi all,

See the page at the below link.
https://www.interactivebrokers.co.in/sso/Login?RL=1

The above link is the login page for my stock broker. I have a live trading
facility and a paper trading facility. The default login is live. There
are 2 items above the user name box live and paper. I want to activate
the paper option.
How do I do this? I have tried object navigation and hitting enter and
also switching to forms mode on that item and hitting enter without success.

If this is the case for a physical mouse, I do have a USB mouse
connected to this machine. Brian, can your mouse pad advice work with
a USB mouse or should I switch to an optical mouse?
Pranav






Re: using nvda on google doodle polls

Gene
 

The cannot find a time button is to be used if you can't find a time that matches your availability.  Don't use it to bring up the submit dialog unless you can't find a time.  Use the submit button if you can find a time or times.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 5:00 AM, Gene wrote:

I just tried the submit button and a dialog comes up asking for my name and e-mail address so the form may be usable after all.  But it might be a good idea to verify that you are placing information where you think you are in terms of check boxes and there are one or two check boxes that I don't understand what they do.  Their purpose might be more clear to a sighted user.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:56 AM, Gene wrote:
Probably a final word at this time:
First, when moving with the Brave browser, stay in browse mode and down arrow through the form. 

Also, I thought I had figured out how this form might be used, but it may be unusable.  There is no can't find a time button and no dialog to enter your name and e-mail address.  I didn't press the submit button when using the brave browser to see what happens.  You can try and maybe you will be asked for the information, which would appear to make the form usable.

Gene
On 6/30/2022 4:50 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is more information.  I just tried this using the Brave browser.  I suspect the results would be the same or similar in any Chrome-based browser.  I saw a lot more fields and checking check boxes with the space bar works.  But be careful you understand what you are checking.  You seem to see different dates and days of the week, such as Wednesday, July     13 and check boxes for different times.

Evidently, Firefox doesn't see most of the check boxes.  All I can say is experiment and it might be a good idea to have a sighted person look at the results of what you are doing to see if what seems to be happenning is, that is, are you checking the times for the date you think you are?

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:31 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a correction and another  minor correction. 
On the button that places me in the wrong field where I said that returning to it and repeating the command many times changes the state of the check box, that doesn't work.  Do the following instead,
When you are moved to the wrong field, tab back to the actual check  box.  Use the numpad insert numpad plus command once on the check box.  You will hear check if it is unchecked.  Then shift tab to the button and use the double click command, NVDA insert NVDA enter issued very quickly the same command you have been using.  That works, or it did the two times I tested it.

the minor correction is that at times, issuing what I'm calling the double click command only once works with other check boxes.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:20 AM, Gene wrote:
This way seems to work.  It may sound involved but it may sound a lot more involved than it is.  I hope it works for you.  I did this using my Windows 7 machine, Firefox and NVDA.  You can see if it works on your system with whatever browsers you want to try.

It appears I figured out how to get the check boxes to check and uncheck, but I don't understand why this works and why another thing doesn't work.  Try the following:
Tab around and be on something you want to check.  Turn off browse mode.  You will find a button and a check box, both for the same thing.  If you use keyboard commands, nothing will happen. 
You will find that if you are on a check box, using the default action command, numpad insert numpad enter, you will hear check if the box is unchecked and uncheck if the box is checked.  However, if you then look at the state of the check box, you will find it unchanged. 

Instead, work with the button associated with the check box, which is a shift tab back from the check box.
Use the same command, numpad insert, numpad enter. 
Issue the command twice quickly, as though you were double clicking a mouse.  Check the check box by tabbing once to it.  This doesn't work the first time, at least not usually.  Shift back to the button and Issue the double click command again and check.  If that doesn't work, issue it a third  time, going back to the button to issue the command every time.  This usually works for me after the second or I think sometimes the third time I issue the command.

As you tab, after you have checked whatever you want, you will find a button that says cannot find a time.  Press the space bar on it and a dialog will come up to fill in your name and e-mail address. Fill in both fields and tab to the appropriate button.  I don't recall what it says but use it to submit the form.

I noticed on one of the fields in this form that when I would double click the button, it moved me to a completely different field, moving me backward.  but if I kept tabbing back to the right button and double clicking it, after a number of times, the check box was checked. 

This is such a ramshackle way of doing things because of the odd now it works and now it doesn't nature of what is occurring that all I can say is these methods or about these methods work when I try them on this form.  You may find you need to experiment but I'm not at all sure anything else works. 

While this is hardly ideal, it seems to let you do what you want in filling out such a form.  I have no idea if you can create one successfully.

Gene

On 6/29/2022 10:10 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke

















Re: using nvda on google doodle polls

Gene
 

I just tried the submit button and a dialog comes up asking for my name and e-mail address so the form may be usable after all.  But it might be a good idea to verify that you are placing information where you think you are in terms of check boxes and there are one or two check boxes that I don't understand what they do.  Their purpose might be more clear to a sighted user.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:56 AM, Gene wrote:

Probably a final word at this time:
First, when moving with the Brave browser, stay in browse mode and down arrow through the form. 

Also, I thought I had figured out how this form might be used, but it may be unusable.  There is no can't find a time button and no dialog to enter your name and e-mail address.  I didn't press the submit button when using the brave browser to see what happens.  You can try and maybe you will be asked for the information, which would appear to make the form usable.

Gene
On 6/30/2022 4:50 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is more information.  I just tried this using the Brave browser.  I suspect the results would be the same or similar in any Chrome-based browser.  I saw a lot more fields and checking check boxes with the space bar works.  But be careful you understand what you are checking.  You seem to see different dates and days of the week, such as Wednesday, July     13 and check boxes for different times.

Evidently, Firefox doesn't see most of the check boxes.  All I can say is experiment and it might be a good idea to have a sighted person look at the results of what you are doing to see if what seems to be happenning is, that is, are you checking the times for the date you think you are?

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:31 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a correction and another  minor correction. 
On the button that places me in the wrong field where I said that returning to it and repeating the command many times changes the state of the check box, that doesn't work.  Do the following instead,
When you are moved to the wrong field, tab back to the actual check  box.  Use the numpad insert numpad plus command once on the check box.  You will hear check if it is unchecked.  Then shift tab to the button and use the double click command, NVDA insert NVDA enter issued very quickly the same command you have been using.  That works, or it did the two times I tested it.

the minor correction is that at times, issuing what I'm calling the double click command only once works with other check boxes.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:20 AM, Gene wrote:
This way seems to work.  It may sound involved but it may sound a lot more involved than it is.  I hope it works for you.  I did this using my Windows 7 machine, Firefox and NVDA.  You can see if it works on your system with whatever browsers you want to try.

It appears I figured out how to get the check boxes to check and uncheck, but I don't understand why this works and why another thing doesn't work.  Try the following:
Tab around and be on something you want to check.  Turn off browse mode.  You will find a button and a check box, both for the same thing.  If you use keyboard commands, nothing will happen. 
You will find that if you are on a check box, using the default action command, numpad insert numpad enter, you will hear check if the box is unchecked and uncheck if the box is checked.  However, if you then look at the state of the check box, you will find it unchanged. 

Instead, work with the button associated with the check box, which is a shift tab back from the check box.
Use the same command, numpad insert, numpad enter. 
Issue the command twice quickly, as though you were double clicking a mouse.  Check the check box by tabbing once to it.  This doesn't work the first time, at least not usually.  Shift back to the button and Issue the double click command again and check.  If that doesn't work, issue it a third  time, going back to the button to issue the command every time.  This usually works for me after the second or I think sometimes the third time I issue the command.

As you tab, after you have checked whatever you want, you will find a button that says cannot find a time.  Press the space bar on it and a dialog will come up to fill in your name and e-mail address. Fill in both fields and tab to the appropriate button.  I don't recall what it says but use it to submit the form.

I noticed on one of the fields in this form that when I would double click the button, it moved me to a completely different field, moving me backward.  but if I kept tabbing back to the right button and double clicking it, after a number of times, the check box was checked. 

This is such a ramshackle way of doing things because of the odd now it works and now it doesn't nature of what is occurring that all I can say is these methods or about these methods work when I try them on this form.  You may find you need to experiment but I'm not at all sure anything else works. 

While this is hardly ideal, it seems to let you do what you want in filling out such a form.  I have no idea if you can create one successfully.

Gene

On 6/29/2022 10:10 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke
















Re: using nvda on google doodle polls

Gene
 

Probably a final word at this time:
First, when moving with the Brave browser, stay in browse mode and down arrow through the form. 

Also, I thought I had figured out how this form might be used, but it may be unusable.  There is no can't find a time button and no dialog to enter your name and e-mail address.  I didn't press the submit button when using the brave browser to see what happens.  You can try and maybe you will be asked for the information, which would appear to make the form usable.

Gene
On 6/30/2022 4:50 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is more information.  I just tried this using the Brave browser.  I suspect the results would be the same or similar in any Chrome-based browser.  I saw a lot more fields and checking check boxes with the space bar works.  But be careful you understand what you are checking.  You seem to see different dates and days of the week, such as Wednesday, July     13 and check boxes for different times.

Evidently, Firefox doesn't see most of the check boxes.  All I can say is experiment and it might be a good idea to have a sighted person look at the results of what you are doing to see if what seems to be happenning is, that is, are you checking the times for the date you think you are?

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:31 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a correction and another  minor correction. 
On the button that places me in the wrong field where I said that returning to it and repeating the command many times changes the state of the check box, that doesn't work.  Do the following instead,
When you are moved to the wrong field, tab back to the actual check  box.  Use the numpad insert numpad plus command once on the check box.  You will hear check if it is unchecked.  Then shift tab to the button and use the double click command, NVDA insert NVDA enter issued very quickly the same command you have been using.  That works, or it did the two times I tested it.

the minor correction is that at times, issuing what I'm calling the double click command only once works with other check boxes.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:20 AM, Gene wrote:
This way seems to work.  It may sound involved but it may sound a lot more involved than it is.  I hope it works for you.  I did this using my Windows 7 machine, Firefox and NVDA.  You can see if it works on your system with whatever browsers you want to try.

It appears I figured out how to get the check boxes to check and uncheck, but I don't understand why this works and why another thing doesn't work.  Try the following:
Tab around and be on something you want to check.  Turn off browse mode.  You will find a button and a check box, both for the same thing.  If you use keyboard commands, nothing will happen. 
You will find that if you are on a check box, using the default action command, numpad insert numpad enter, you will hear check if the box is unchecked and uncheck if the box is checked.  However, if you then look at the state of the check box, you will find it unchanged. 

Instead, work with the button associated with the check box, which is a shift tab back from the check box.
Use the same command, numpad insert, numpad enter. 
Issue the command twice quickly, as though you were double clicking a mouse.  Check the check box by tabbing once to it.  This doesn't work the first time, at least not usually.  Shift back to the button and Issue the double click command again and check.  If that doesn't work, issue it a third  time, going back to the button to issue the command every time.  This usually works for me after the second or I think sometimes the third time I issue the command.

As you tab, after you have checked whatever you want, you will find a button that says cannot find a time.  Press the space bar on it and a dialog will come up to fill in your name and e-mail address. Fill in both fields and tab to the appropriate button.  I don't recall what it says but use it to submit the form.

I noticed on one of the fields in this form that when I would double click the button, it moved me to a completely different field, moving me backward.  but if I kept tabbing back to the right button and double clicking it, after a number of times, the check box was checked. 

This is such a ramshackle way of doing things because of the odd now it works and now it doesn't nature of what is occurring that all I can say is these methods or about these methods work when I try them on this form.  You may find you need to experiment but I'm not at all sure anything else works. 

While this is hardly ideal, it seems to let you do what you want in filling out such a form.  I have no idea if you can create one successfully.

Gene

On 6/29/2022 10:10 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke















Re: using nvda on google doodle polls

Gene
 

Here is more information.  I just tried this using the Brave browser.  I suspect the results would be the same or similar in any Chrome-based browser.  I saw a lot more fields and checking check boxes with the space bar works.  But be careful you understand what you are checking.  You seem to see different dates and days of the week, such as Wednesday, July     13 and check boxes for different times.

Evidently, Firefox doesn't see most of the check boxes.  All I can say is experiment and it might be a good idea to have a sighted person look at the results of what you are doing to see if what seems to be happenning is, that is, are you checking the times for the date you think you are?

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:31 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is a correction and another  minor correction. 
On the button that places me in the wrong field where I said that returning to it and repeating the command many times changes the state of the check box, that doesn't work.  Do the following instead,
When you are moved to the wrong field, tab back to the actual check  box.  Use the numpad insert numpad plus command once on the check box.  You will hear check if it is unchecked.  Then shift tab to the button and use the double click command, NVDA insert NVDA enter issued very quickly the same command you have been using.  That works, or it did the two times I tested it.

the minor correction is that at times, issuing what I'm calling the double click command only once works with other check boxes.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:20 AM, Gene wrote:
This way seems to work.  It may sound involved but it may sound a lot more involved than it is.  I hope it works for you.  I did this using my Windows 7 machine, Firefox and NVDA.  You can see if it works on your system with whatever browsers you want to try.

It appears I figured out how to get the check boxes to check and uncheck, but I don't understand why this works and why another thing doesn't work.  Try the following:
Tab around and be on something you want to check.  Turn off browse mode.  You will find a button and a check box, both for the same thing.  If you use keyboard commands, nothing will happen. 
You will find that if you are on a check box, using the default action command, numpad insert numpad enter, you will hear check if the box is unchecked and uncheck if the box is checked.  However, if you then look at the state of the check box, you will find it unchanged. 

Instead, work with the button associated with the check box, which is a shift tab back from the check box.
Use the same command, numpad insert, numpad enter. 
Issue the command twice quickly, as though you were double clicking a mouse.  Check the check box by tabbing once to it.  This doesn't work the first time, at least not usually.  Shift back to the button and Issue the double click command again and check.  If that doesn't work, issue it a third  time, going back to the button to issue the command every time.  This usually works for me after the second or I think sometimes the third time I issue the command.

As you tab, after you have checked whatever you want, you will find a button that says cannot find a time.  Press the space bar on it and a dialog will come up to fill in your name and e-mail address. Fill in both fields and tab to the appropriate button.  I don't recall what it says but use it to submit the form.

I noticed on one of the fields in this form that when I would double click the button, it moved me to a completely different field, moving me backward.  but if I kept tabbing back to the right button and double clicking it, after a number of times, the check box was checked. 

This is such a ramshackle way of doing things because of the odd now it works and now it doesn't nature of what is occurring that all I can say is these methods or about these methods work when I try them on this form.  You may find you need to experiment but I'm not at all sure anything else works. 

While this is hardly ideal, it seems to let you do what you want in filling out such a form.  I have no idea if you can create one successfully.

Gene

On 6/29/2022 10:10 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke














Re: using nvda on google doodle polls

Gene
 

Here is a correction and another  minor correction. 
On the button that places me in the wrong field where I said that returning to it and repeating the command many times changes the state of the check box, that doesn't work.  Do the following instead,
When you are moved to the wrong field, tab back to the actual check  box.  Use the numpad insert numpad plus command once on the check box.  You will hear check if it is unchecked.  Then shift tab to the button and use the double click command, NVDA insert NVDA enter issued very quickly the same command you have been using.  That works, or it did the two times I tested it.

the minor correction is that at times, issuing what I'm calling the double click command only once works with other check boxes.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:20 AM, Gene wrote:

This way seems to work.  It may sound involved but it may sound a lot more involved than it is.  I hope it works for you.  I did this using my Windows 7 machine, Firefox and NVDA.  You can see if it works on your system with whatever browsers you want to try.

It appears I figured out how to get the check boxes to check and uncheck, but I don't understand why this works and why another thing doesn't work.  Try the following:
Tab around and be on something you want to check.  Turn off browse mode.  You will find a button and a check box, both for the same thing.  If you use keyboard commands, nothing will happen. 
You will find that if you are on a check box, using the default action command, numpad insert numpad enter, you will hear check if the box is unchecked and uncheck if the box is checked.  However, if you then look at the state of the check box, you will find it unchanged. 

Instead, work with the button associated with the check box, which is a shift tab back from the check box.
Use the same command, numpad insert, numpad enter. 
Issue the command twice quickly, as though you were double clicking a mouse.  Check the check box by tabbing once to it.  This doesn't work the first time, at least not usually.  Shift back to the button and Issue the double click command again and check.  If that doesn't work, issue it a third  time, going back to the button to issue the command every time.  This usually works for me after the second or I think sometimes the third time I issue the command.

As you tab, after you have checked whatever you want, you will find a button that says cannot find a time.  Press the space bar on it and a dialog will come up to fill in your name and e-mail address. Fill in both fields and tab to the appropriate button.  I don't recall what it says but use it to submit the form.

I noticed on one of the fields in this form that when I would double click the button, it moved me to a completely different field, moving me backward.  but if I kept tabbing back to the right button and double clicking it, after a number of times, the check box was checked. 

This is such a ramshackle way of doing things because of the odd now it works and now it doesn't nature of what is occurring that all I can say is these methods or about these methods work when I try them on this form.  You may find you need to experiment but I'm not at all sure anything else works. 

While this is hardly ideal, it seems to let you do what you want in filling out such a form.  I have no idea if you can create one successfully.

Gene

On 6/29/2022 10:10 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke













Re: using nvda on google doodle polls

Gene
 

This way seems to work.  It may sound involved but it may sound a lot more involved than it is.  I hope it works for you.  I did this using my Windows 7 machine, Firefox and NVDA.  You can see if it works on your system with whatever browsers you want to try.

It appears I figured out how to get the check boxes to check and uncheck, but I don't understand why this works and why another thing doesn't work.  Try the following:
Tab around and be on something you want to check.  Turn off browse mode.  You will find a button and a check box, both for the same thing.  If you use keyboard commands, nothing will happen. 
You will find that if you are on a check box, using the default action command, numpad insert numpad enter, you will hear check if the box is unchecked and uncheck if the box is checked.  However, if you then look at the state of the check box, you will find it unchanged. 

Instead, work with the button associated with the check box, which is a shift tab back from the check box.
Use the same command, numpad insert, numpad enter. 
Issue the command twice quickly, as though you were double clicking a mouse.  Check the check box by tabbing once to it.  This doesn't work the first time, at least not usually.  Shift back to the button and Issue the double click command again and check.  If that doesn't work, issue it a third  time, going back to the button to issue the command every time.  This usually works for me after the second or I think sometimes the third time I issue the command.

As you tab, after you have checked whatever you want, you will find a button that says cannot find a time.  Press the space bar on it and a dialog will come up to fill in your name and e-mail address. Fill in both fields and tab to the appropriate button.  I don't recall what it says but use it to submit the form.

I noticed on one of the fields in this form that when I would double click the button, it moved me to a completely different field, moving me backward.  but if I kept tabbing back to the right button and double clicking it, after a number of times, the check box was checked. 

This is such a ramshackle way of doing things because of the odd now it works and now it doesn't nature of what is occurring that all I can say is these methods or about these methods work when I try them on this form.  You may find you need to experiment but I'm not at all sure anything else works. 

While this is hardly ideal, it seems to let you do what you want in filling out such a form.  I have no idea if you can create one successfully.

Gene

On 6/29/2022 10:10 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke












Re: Switching to a paper login at a website

Tyler Spivey
 

Open the dev console with ctrl+shift+i. In the edit box, type:

document.querySelector('span.switchery').setAttribute("role", "button")

Hit enter, close the console with the same key and hit the button that should've appeared.

On 6/30/2022 1:43 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi all,
See the page at the below link.
https://www.interactivebrokers.co.in/sso/Login?RL=1
The above link is the login page for my stock broker. I have a live trading
facility and a paper trading facility. The default login is live. There
are 2 items above the user name box live and paper. I want to activate the
paper option.
How do I do this? I have tried object navigation and hitting enter and also
switching to forms mode on that item and hitting enter without success.
If this is the case for a physical mouse, I do have a USB mouse connected to
this machine. Brian, can your mouse pad advice work with a USB mouse or
should I switch to an optical mouse?
Pranav


Re: Switching to a paper login at a website

Jacob Kruger
 

Pranav, focus on clickable item, reroute mouse cursor to it, and, activate mouse click?


Can't test it, but, would think it might work?


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-06-30 10:43 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi all,

See the page at the below link.
https://www.interactivebrokers.co.in/sso/Login?RL=1

The above link is the login page for my stock broker. I have a live trading
facility and a paper trading facility. The default login is live. There
are 2 items above the user name box live and paper. I want to activate the
paper option.
How do I do this? I have tried object navigation and hitting enter and also
switching to forms mode on that item and hitting enter without success.

If this is the case for a physical mouse, I do have a USB mouse connected to
this machine. Brian, can your mouse pad advice work with a USB mouse or
should I switch to an optical mouse?
Pranav





Re: using nvda on google doodle polls

Gene
 

There is something wrong somewhere, perhaps on your system.  the fields are there.  Getting them to work is something else again.  I more or less figured out a way, as far as I can tell, which I'll describe in another message.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 1:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:

Your one seems to be completely blank, at least the ones they sent me had yes, no  maybe on it, for all the good it did me.
Brian



Re: "input gesture dialog" bug

bering.p
 

Hi.
OK, maybe it's better to discuss this on the scriptNVDA list?
Best regards.
Paul.
Le 30/06/2022 09:39, Cyrille via groups.io a écrit :

Hi Paul

Yes, if you have investigated the root cause of the issue, that may be valuable to describe it in the ticket, except if the log makes it already obvious.
You may also describe the work-around you have used in your add-on to solve it; it may be a source of inspiration for someone wanting to implement a pull-request to fix the issue. But beware that NVAccess will probably want to fix the root cause of the issue if possible. Thus, if this solution is a workaround that does not solve the root cause, they may not accept it in a PR.

Cheers,

Cyrille

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 02:06 PM, bering.p wrote:
Thanks Cyril.
I took the time because I had it, but I won't do it every day.
Others will have done it much faster than me.
For information, I have worked around this problem in my add-on.
If necessary, I will explain it when answering the ticket.
Best regards.

Paul.
Le 29/06/2022 21:55, Cyrille via groups.io a écrit :
Paul, I have seen that you have opened the ticket.
Thanks and congratulations!
For reference, here is the link: #13854.

Cyrille

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 08:44 AM, Cyrille wrote:
Hi all

@Paul,
Why don't you open the ticket yourself? You have all the skills to do it. The technical description that you made of this issue is more than correct with a detailed way to reproduce the issue. And your English, as written in your messages, is also correct.
If something else is blocking you, just let us know and we can help, here or in GitHub once the ticket is opened.

@Gene:
A common consequence of an error occurring in the GUI is that the GUI may not work as expected in the future. For example if you add the following steps to Paul's steps:
- close the input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window

You will end up with many input gesture window opened, whereas the standard behaviour of NVDA is to re-focus the input gesture window if it is already opened in the background.

Cheers,

Cyrille




On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 04:08 AM, bering.p wrote:
Hi,
I think I discovered an NVDA bug using the "input gestures" dialog.
I would like you to confirm this and if so, that one of you accustomed to the ticket, make one.
I consistently reproduce it with NVDA 2022.1 and 2022.2 beta and all add-ons disabled.
To do this:
- launch nvda with add-ons disabled,
- display the "Input gestures" dialog,
- press "end" to select the last category,
- go up two categories to select the "mouse" category,
- then "shift+tab" to position the cursor in the "filter" field,
- type "z".

A series of errors appear in the log.
Then, each time the "Input gestures" dialog is restarted, a new error is entered in the log.
Thank you.
Best regards.
Paul.

-- 

Paul.


Switching to a paper login at a website

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

See the page at the below link.
https://www.interactivebrokers.co.in/sso/Login?RL=1

The above link is the login page for my stock broker. I have a live trading
facility and a paper trading facility. The default login is live. There
are 2 items above the user name box live and paper. I want to activate the
paper option.
How do I do this? I have tried object navigation and hitting enter and also
switching to forms mode on that item and hitting enter without success.

If this is the case for a physical mouse, I do have a USB mouse connected to
this machine. Brian, can your mouse pad advice work with a USB mouse or
should I switch to an optical mouse?
Pranav


Re: "input gesture dialog" bug

Cyrille
 

Hi Paul

Yes, if you have investigated the root cause of the issue, that may be valuable to describe it in the ticket, except if the log makes it already obvious.
You may also describe the work-around you have used in your add-on to solve it; it may be a source of inspiration for someone wanting to implement a pull-request to fix the issue. But beware that NVAccess will probably want to fix the root cause of the issue if possible. Thus, if this solution is a workaround that does not solve the root cause, they may not accept it in a PR.

Cheers,

Cyrille


On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 02:06 PM, bering.p wrote:
Thanks Cyril.
I took the time because I had it, but I won't do it every day.
Others will have done it much faster than me.
For information, I have worked around this problem in my add-on.
If necessary, I will explain it when answering the ticket.
Best regards.

Paul.
Le 29/06/2022 21:55, Cyrille via groups.io a écrit :
Paul, I have seen that you have opened the ticket.
Thanks and congratulations!
For reference, here is the link: #13854.

Cyrille

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 08:44 AM, Cyrille wrote:
Hi all

@Paul,
Why don't you open the ticket yourself? You have all the skills to do it. The technical description that you made of this issue is more than correct with a detailed way to reproduce the issue. And your English, as written in your messages, is also correct.
If something else is blocking you, just let us know and we can help, here or in GitHub once the ticket is opened.

@Gene:
A common consequence of an error occurring in the GUI is that the GUI may not work as expected in the future. For example if you add the following steps to Paul's steps:
- close the input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window

You will end up with many input gesture window opened, whereas the standard behaviour of NVDA is to re-focus the input gesture window if it is already opened in the background.

Cheers,

Cyrille




On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 04:08 AM, bering.p wrote:
Hi,
I think I discovered an NVDA bug using the "input gestures" dialog.
I would like you to confirm this and if so, that one of you accustomed to the ticket, make one.
I consistently reproduce it with NVDA 2022.1 and 2022.2 beta and all add-ons disabled.
To do this:
- launch nvda with add-ons disabled,
- display the "Input gestures" dialog,
- press "end" to select the last category,
- go up two categories to select the "mouse" category,
- then "shift+tab" to position the cursor in the "filter" field,
- type "z".

A series of errors appear in the log.
Then, each time the "Input gestures" dialog is restarted, a new error is entered in the log.
Thank you.
Best regards.
Paul.

-- 

Paul.

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