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Re: How to stop Eloquence from spelling punctuation and space

 

Depending on precisely what you want to accomplish, and when, you'll use a combination of the Punctuation/Symbol level setting in Speech settings (defaults to most) and the actual Symbol Pronunciation dialog.  It could be that just trying the "some" level instead of the "most" level may work.  It all depends on when and how, precisely, you don't want these things announced.
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        ~ Dorothy Nevill


How to stop Eloquence from spelling punctuation and space

Sarah k Alawami
 

I did this before on my old computer; I cannot remember how to stop this behavior on my new computer.  It is driving me up the wall. Something like process, but I shut that off in eloquence’s settings. I’m running nvda 22.x on Windows 11 21H2 (x64) build 22000.739 I think I need to look under speech to be sure. I thought it was discussed on this group, but I can’t remember where that check box is to save my sanity.

 

Take care all.


Re: Screen Refresh

Gene
 

Not that I know of.  I just searched the quick commands reference to see if I could find one and a search for refresh found nothing.  However,

it appears to me that NVDA usually doesn't need the screen refreshed, while JAWS does more often.  When do you want to refresh the screen, in Browse mode or at other times?

Gene

On 7/9/2022 11:00 AM, David Kingsbury wrote:

Hi all,

JAWS has a keystroke for refreshing the screen (Insert Escape). Does NVDA have a keystroke for doing the same thing?

Thanks,

David

 

 



Re: Screen Refresh

Gene
 

Not that I know of.  I just searched the quick commands reference to see if I could find one and a search for refresh found nothing.  However,

it appears to me that NVDA usually doesn't need the screen refreshed, while JAWS does more often.  When do you want to refresh the screen, in Browse mode or at other times?

Gene

On 7/9/2022 11:00 AM, David Kingsbury wrote:

Hi all,

JAWS has a keystroke for refreshing the screen (Insert Escape). Does NVDA have a keystroke for doing the same thing?

Thanks,

David

 

 



Re: Screen Refresh

David Goldfield
 

Hi. Pressing the NVDA key with f5 does a refresh although it’s likely a refresh of the virtual buffer as opposed to an actual screen refresh.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2022 12:01 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Screen Refresh

 

Hi all,

JAWS has a keystroke for refreshing the screen (Insert Escape). Does NVDA have a keystroke for doing the same thing?

Thanks,

David

 

 


Screen Refresh

David Kingsbury
 

Hi all,

JAWS has a keystroke for refreshing the screen (Insert Escape). Does NVDA have a keystroke for doing the same thing?

Thanks,

David

 

 


Re: Thunderbird first letter folder nav add-on

Don H
 

Thanks got it back

On 7/8/2022 8:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think it’s called quick-folder key navigation.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

*From: *Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
*Sent: *Friday, July 8, 2022 6:42 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] thundeerbird first letter folder nav addon

Running Win 10 and Thunderbird version 91.11.0.

I had the thunderbird addon for first letter folder navigation installed

and running well but for some unknown reason it simply dissapeared.  I

forgot the actual name of the thunderbird addon.  Can someone please

tell me the name of the addon.  I am not talking about a NVDA addon but

a thunderbird addon.

Thanks


Re: Thunderbird first letter folder nav add-on

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think it’s called quick-folder key navigation.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Don H
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] thundeerbird first letter folder nav addon

 

Running Win 10 and Thunderbird version 91.11.0.

I had the thunderbird addon for first letter folder navigation installed

and running well but for some unknown reason it simply dissapeared.  I

forgot the actual name of the thunderbird addon.  Can someone please

tell me the name of the addon.  I am not talking about a NVDA addon but

a thunderbird addon.

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Thunderbird first letter folder nav add-on

 

Quick Folder Keys, me thinks.





On 7/8/2022 9:42 PM, Don H wrote:

Running Win 10 and Thunderbird version 91.11.0.
I had the thunderbird addon for first letter folder navigation installed and running well but for some unknown reason it simply dissapeared.  I forgot the actual name of the thunderbird addon.  Can someone please tell me the name of the addon.  I am not talking about a NVDA addon but a thunderbird addon.
Thanks






Thunderbird first letter folder nav add-on

Don H
 

Running Win 10 and Thunderbird version 91.11.0.
I had the thunderbird addon for first letter folder navigation installed and running well but for some unknown reason it simply dissapeared. I forgot the actual name of the thunderbird addon. Can someone please tell me the name of the addon. I am not talking about a NVDA addon but a thunderbird addon.
Thanks


Re: Add-on Updater notice: introducing Project Meteor to refactor add-on download and installation steps

 

Hi,

In theory, yes. There are several downsides, however:

  • Varying update metadata formats: different add-on update sources return update metadata in different formats. For example, the metadata format used by Spanish community catalog is different than that of community add-ons website. At least this is mitigated by telling Add-on Updater to standardize around a common format independent of any source and telling update check protocols to return things in a standard way.
  • Latency: because websites are hosted around the world, it takes time for NVDA (specifically, Python) to connect to different sources and obtain what it needs. NVDA will actually appear to freeze when opening websites using Python, which is not the experience users want; fortunately, developers wrote workarounds such as using multiple threads to keep NVDA responsive even when a connection is being made to a remote location.
  • Code complexity: although I do my best to write clean code as much as possible, when dealing with things such as accessing multiple locations at once, it becomes important to think about how complex this task can become. Indeed, coordinating multiple threads (one thread per add-on source) can introduce unforeseen bugs such as freezes and unresponsive user interface.
  • Metadata conflicts: suppose you connect to two add-on sources at once, and both sources return information for the same add-on. One source says whatever version you have is the latest, while the second source may offer a newer version but incompatible with whatever NVDA version you have. Now you connect to a third source, which offers an older version of the same add-on which is compatible with the version of NVDA you have. For humans, the answer is to stay on the current version, but for computers, it becomes a question of which strategies they can learn from programmers. This is made complicated when we throw in compatibility information to the mix.
  • Future of add-ons repositories: without going deep into details, NV Access is researching (or did research) a way to host add-on metadata in a central location. Once that becomes a thing, the add-ons community will be advising folks to submit to the new central database.

Hope this explains a lot.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on Updater notice: introducing Project Meteor to refactor add-on download and installation steps

Clement Chou
 

This is awesome! I'm wondering though if there's going to be a way to
just have it pull from all sources to check? Or is that too much?

On 7/8/22, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I'm delighted to announce the immediate release of two try builds with fixes
and a feature folks have only dreamed of:

* First try build:
https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/22.07/addonUpdater-tryProjectMeteor20220708.nvda-addon
* Second try build:
https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/22.07/addonUpdater-tryProjectMeteorNVDAEs20220708.nvda-addon

These builds are identical apart from one major thing: where add-on update
records are coming from. Yes, you read it right: if you are using the second
try build, Add-on Updater will gather update information from Spanish
community add-ons catalog, sometimes known as nvda-addons.org. While Add-on
Updater will default to using community add-ons website (first try build),
it is now possible to obtain add-on update data from other sources through a
concept called "update check protocol" - a collection of tasks Add-on
Updater can perform to check for updates from a variety of places. The
reason for these two try builds is to test this feature thoroughly with
different sources and because there is no setting in Add-on Updater settings
panel to configure which source Add-on Updater should use. I do plan to add
such an interface soon. Also, if you are using NVDA 2022.1 or later, you
will be able to specify which source to use from the command line (coming
soon).

Please remember that try builds are not really meant for production
environments, but I'm giving you permission to test today's builds in stable
environments for testing purposes. I hope to release a stable version of
Add-on Updater with these exciting changes in August at the earliest.

Cheers,

Joseph






Re: Add-on Updater notice: introducing Project Meteor to refactor add-on download and installation steps

 

Hi all,

I'm delighted to announce the immediate release of two try builds with fixes and a feature folks have only dreamed of:

These builds are identical apart from one major thing: where add-on update records are coming from. Yes, you read it right: if you are using the second try build, Add-on Updater will gather update information from Spanish community add-ons catalog, sometimes known as nvda-addons.org. While Add-on Updater will default to using community add-ons website (first try build), it is now possible to obtain add-on update data from other sources through a concept called "update check protocol" - a collection of tasks Add-on Updater can perform to check for updates from a variety of places. The reason for these two try builds is to test this feature thoroughly with different sources and because there is no setting in Add-on Updater settings panel to configure which source Add-on Updater should use. I do plan to add such an interface soon. Also, if you are using NVDA 2022.1 or later, you will be able to specify which source to use from the command line (coming soon).

Please remember that try builds are not really meant for production environments, but I'm giving you permission to test today's builds in stable environments for testing purposes. I hope to release a stable version of Add-on Updater with these exciting changes in August at the earliest.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Strange on site for facebook.com

Mo Khan
 

hi there,  not come across this. have you tried the mobile site as it may make a difference? thank you. Mo.


On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 1:47 PM Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
Not sure if someone noticed odd and strange things when reading the news
feeds in website for facebook.com and I just thought something with my
computer. However, after taking place to reboot my machine I got the
same noticeable strings of letters of links before the actual post.

Just let me know of your observation.







Re: Alpha Snapshots, where to download from

Brian's Mail list account
 

I do put them on the main drive, but only as a portable. I also do the same with any special or beta or rc releases operated by shortcuts via batch file that closes the running copy first. I have also arranged another batch file in each so I can reboot the stable version while loading the log of the test version into notepad, all of these versions have the log set to debug.
Also of course I make sure all the add ons are there as well, since you can always reboot with add ons disabled.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel McGee" <danielmcgee134@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 3:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Alpha Snapshots, where to download from


Hi Cyrille


Many thanks for this. It is much appreciated.

On 06/07/2022 15:54, Cyrille via groups.io wrote:
Hello

Searching for "download nvda alpha snapshots" gives you the following
page as first result:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

Cyrille

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 03:53 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

Hi all

Where can one download Alpha Snapshots of NVDA these days?

In the beginning of the project, one was able to grab the alpha /
snapshot from the main download page of

www.nvda-project.org <http://www.nvda-project.org>

Hence, my inquiring where alpha snapshots can now be obtained in 2022.

Note: don’t panic! I’m going to install to a portable flash drive.
A snapshot build isn’t going no where near my stable release.

With kind regards

Daniel





Re: Alpha Snapshots, where to download from

Daniel McGee
 

Hi Cyrille


Many thanks for this. It is much appreciated.

On 06/07/2022 15:54, Cyrille via groups.io wrote:

Hello

Searching for "download nvda alpha snapshots" gives you the following page as first result:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

Cyrille

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 03:53 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

Hi all

 

Where can one download Alpha Snapshots of NVDA these days?

 

In the beginning of the project, one was able to grab the alpha / snapshot from the main download page of

 

www.nvda-project.org

 

Hence, my inquiring where alpha snapshots can now be obtained in 2022.

 

 Note: don’t panic! I’m going to install to a portable flash drive. A snapshot build isn’t going no where near my stable release.

 

With kind regards

 

 Daniel


Re: Less Verbosity In Task Manager?

Chris Smart
 

Thanks for this Gene. That works well here.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 6, 2022 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Less Verbosity In Task Manager?

 

Here is more information about how to eliminate almost all excess verbosity in Task Manager.

I didn't try this until now, I was looking at differences in different parts of the Task Manager interface and I thought of trying this.  As in some other instances, you can either eliminate or almost eliminate excessive verbosity by using the read current line command for object or screen review mode.  You can use the read current line command that is not the object navigation command as well.  In the desktop layout it is NVDA key up arrow.  The object navigation desktop command is numpad 8.

I down arrowed through items in the Task Manager and when I moved to a new item, I issued the object navigation read current line command. 

I prefer that command.  I prefer down arrowing with the left hand in the list and pressing f8 with the right. 

It is important to keep this method in mind.  I can eliminate excess verbosity using find in browse mode by issuing the read current line command as soon as I start to hear speech.
I can prevent the subject line being read in e-mail messages one or multiple times, depending on the program, if I use read current line after opening a message.  You may have to experiment to see how long to wait.



Other people may find other instances where this command is very useful.  As I've said before, screen-readers operate in complex environments and at times, to get good results, you have to help them a bit.

Gene

On 7/1/2022 11:39 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

Yes, I know about typing the partial name of what I am looking for.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 1, 2022 12:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Less Verbosity In Task Manager?

 

I don't know why, if you are in the details view, you hear those things.  Do you know what you are looking for and its name in the list?  If you type the first letter or the first two or three letters if there are many items with the same first and second letters, you will move immediately to the item if there is only one.  In other words, if you type mai for example and there is just one item called mail, you will move to it.  I don't know if there is something called mail in the list but that is an example.  The more letters you type if there is something that has many of the same first letters as others, the more likely you are to be on the item.  So even with a lot of verbosity, it will be much faster than up and down arrowing  or just typing the first letter repeatedly. 

I didn't change the details because what you are hearing has nothing to do with the details shown.  You are hearing announcements about the interface, that the item is in a grouping, for example.

Gene

On 7/1/2022 11:03 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

Hi. Thanks for this. I active the “fewer details” button, and still hear:

List of items data grid, list of items of items, Process: Microsoft Outlook.

This is in windows 10 by the way. I probably forgot to include that detail.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 1, 2022 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Less Verbosity In Task Manager?

 

 

 

I don't have Windows 11 and I don't know if this has changed.  In Windows 10, you won't see all the same things but you can get to a list of processes that is similar to the list in Windows 7 in the Task Manager.  Once you open it, use the command control tab many times to get to a part of the dialog called details.
I believe you have to tab once to get to the list. 

In Windows 10, you shouldn't hear excessive verbosity and you can move through the list in the same way as in Windows 7.

Gene

On 7/1/2022 10:31 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

I find Task  Manager to be very verbose, at least when navigating the list of processes to disable something.

 

Here’s an example of what I hear, after I arrow to Microsoft Outlook in the list.

 

List of items  list

Apps  grouping

Process: Microsoft Outlook

 

I’ve explored document options in NVDA Settings, and can’t seem to reduce this much.

Am I missing something simple and obvious?

 

Thanks

Chris

 

 

 

 


Re: Less Verbosity In Task Manager?

Gene
 

Here is more information about how to eliminate almost all excess verbosity in Task Manager.

I didn't try this until now, I was looking at differences in different parts of the Task Manager interface and I thought of trying this.  As in some other instances, you can either eliminate or almost eliminate excessive verbosity by using the read current line command for object or screen review mode.  You can use the read current line command that is not the object navigation command as well.  In the desktop layout it is NVDA key up arrow.  The object navigation desktop command is numpad 8.

I down arrowed through items in the Task Manager and when I moved to a new item, I issued the object navigation read current line command. 

I prefer that command.  I prefer down arrowing with the left hand in the list and pressing f8 with the right. 

It is important to keep this method in mind.  I can eliminate excess verbosity using find in browse mode by issuing the read current line command as soon as I start to hear speech.
I can prevent the subject line being read in e-mail messages one or multiple times, depending on the program, if I use read current line after opening a message.  You may have to experiment to see how long to wait.



Other people may find other instances where this command is very useful.  As I've said before, screen-readers operate in complex environments and at times, to get good results, you have to help them a bit.

Gene

On 7/1/2022 11:39 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

Yes, I know about typing the partial name of what I am looking for.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 1, 2022 12:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Less Verbosity In Task Manager?

 

I don't know why, if you are in the details view, you hear those things.  Do you know what you are looking for and its name in the list?  If you type the first letter or the first two or three letters if there are many items with the same first and second letters, you will move immediately to the item if there is only one.  In other words, if you type mai for example and there is just one item called mail, you will move to it.  I don't know if there is something called mail in the list but that is an example.  The more letters you type if there is something that has many of the same first letters as others, the more likely you are to be on the item.  So even with a lot of verbosity, it will be much faster than up and down arrowing  or just typing the first letter repeatedly. 

I didn't change the details because what you are hearing has nothing to do with the details shown.  You are hearing announcements about the interface, that the item is in a grouping, for example.

Gene

On 7/1/2022 11:03 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

Hi. Thanks for this. I active the “fewer details” button, and still hear:

List of items data grid, list of items of items, Process: Microsoft Outlook.

This is in windows 10 by the way. I probably forgot to include that detail.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 1, 2022 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Less Verbosity In Task Manager?

 

 

 

I don't have Windows 11 and I don't know if this has changed.  In Windows 10, you won't see all the same things but you can get to a list of processes that is similar to the list in Windows 7 in the Task Manager.  Once you open it, use the command control tab many times to get to a part of the dialog called details.
I believe you have to tab once to get to the list. 

In Windows 10, you shouldn't hear excessive verbosity and you can move through the list in the same way as in Windows 7.

Gene

On 7/1/2022 10:31 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

I find Task  Manager to be very verbose, at least when navigating the list of processes to disable something.

 

Here’s an example of what I hear, after I arrow to Microsoft Outlook in the list.

 

List of items  list

Apps  grouping

Process: Microsoft Outlook

 

I’ve explored document options in NVDA Settings, and can’t seem to reduce this much.

Am I missing something simple and obvious?

 

Thanks

Chris

 

 

 



Re: I've really gotten myself into a pickle.

Sarah k Alawami
 

I ought to do that now that I can by myself rearrange items on the task bar using win11. Someone sent me shortcuts over what's app on how to do this. Good move, I never thought of actually pinning my SC on the task tarbar

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason Bratcher
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2022 4:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've really gotten myself into a pickle.

And in my case, NVDA's my first pinned taskbar item.
So a quick Windows+1 opens it/restarts it straightaway.

Jason Bratcher


Re: none of my add ons appear to be working except for my eloquence

Sarah k Alawami
 

None of them loaded except for eloquence. I did a complete while, deleted
the folder in %update% then completely reinstalled NVDA. I now have working
set of add ons. I think it was when I transferred the portable to the
computer, for whatever reason, that is when all except eloquence decided not
to work, at all. I didn't' even see "check for addon updates" in the menu. A
complete reinstall of nvda worked well in this case and only took me about 3
minutes including reboots.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2022 12:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] none of my add ons appear to be working except for my
eloquence

Is there any way in Windows 11 to go back to a time when it did work? I use
erunt on Windows as it can put back old registries that it saves every day.
However, your problem could be perhaps that some flag has got set in the
set up of nvda.
I would have expected some errors though. I guess you could go into
advanced and turn on the error tones to see if the log might provide some
insight on the situation. Normally, if you set logging level to debug you
can see the add ons getting initialised as they load.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2022 4:45 PM
Subject: [nvda] none of my add ons appear to be working except for my
eloquence


Hello to all. Running 22.x redownloaded from the website. I have tried what
I think is a complete reinstall, however none of my addons are working.
They are all enabled according to the add ons screen, but I cannot get
updater to work, nor resource monitor, nor any of my other addons except
eloquence. I have never seen this before. If I must reinstall nvda again, is
there a way I can do this without pulling my hair, is there an add ons back
up I can take? I've never seen this before with nvda. I forgot to say I'm
running Version 21H2 (OS Build 22000.739) of windows 11. This is the home
edition which I'm still getting used to.



Thanks.

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