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Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Howard Traxler
 

Yes, the speakwalizer;  It seemed to be a compination screen reader and synthesizer.  I had one for a time but never got a chance to try it out.  It should have been able to read the system setup screen. Since that time, I've been able to connect, via printer parallel port, to a parallel speech synthesizer (such as the Blazy embosser); and pressing "print screen" key, I could hear the setup screen spoken; or just send it to an embosser.  Rather slow because it spoke and/or embossed the entire screen.  But, by comparing one screen to the next, I could tell what changes I made.  Don't know if that still works today.

Howard

On 7/16/2022 9:39 AM, Karl Smith wrote:

I actually used one of those as well. It had a touch screen and as I still had some vision then I used it at times. I also remember it had 2 3.5 inch floppy drives with 720K disks which was twice the storage of 5.25 inch 360K disks. I used a program whose name I can’t remember but worked like a rolodex to track the NFB of Utah’s member database. The screen actually looked much like a rolodex and you could touch the top or bottom of the roller on the screen and the screen would appear to rotate like a rolodex. I think the talking software was called Talking Information Manager or TIM but I’m reaching very far back now.

One other thing unrelated to this computer. Does anyone remember the speakwalizer? This was a hardware device developed by someone in the NFB which connected to a DOS computer and provided speech. I don’t think it required a screen reader as I believe it took information sent to it from the screen and allowed the user to navigate with controls on the device. I seem to remember it was the only device which would talk during computer setup even before the OS was running but I may be wrong about that.

Karl

------------------------------

Karl Smith
Access Technology Consultant
4304 South El Camino St.
Taylorsville, Utah 84129

Phone:                 866-824-7885
Fax:                        866-824-7885
E-mail: karl@... <mailto:karl@...>
Alternate E-Mail: karl.axistech@... <mailto:karl.axistech@...>

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Dale Leavens
*Sent:* Friday, July 15, 2022 8:38 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

So far no one has mentioned the modified HP 125 from Maryland Computers called the ITS for Information through Speech.  It had a Votrax synth installed in the base and was a CP/m based computer.  Mostly it was very reliable, quite quick and came with a dual floppy disk system.  I added a 20 meg hard drive outboard system for $7,000 and thought it ran like a rocket.Because of the way much software accessed the terminal portion of the computer most CP/M commercial software wouldn’t talk well but Condor Database worked exceptionally well as did BPI accounting,.

CP/m is a lot like MS-DOS so the operating system was very accessible.

I sure could have used more training on it though.

Cheers.

Dale Leavens

Cochrane Ontario Canada

.

Come visit our polar bears!

On Jul 15, 2022, at 1:37 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@...> wrote:



Hi,

In the mid 1980s, I learned the apple II E computer. We had a
screen reader called word talk. It was on a floppy disk so you had
to put it into the computer’s drive for it to work. There was
another one called word rap. It was pretty fast.

Rosemarie

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
for Windows

*From: *JM Casey <mailto:jmcasey@...>
*Sent: *Friday, July 15, 2022 10:31 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including
NVDA)

Yeah. The Echo was for the Apple II line, and was introduced in
the late

70s. You had to copy the software to drive the synth/screen-reader
onto

every disk you wanted to talk, or else switch the disks once the
speech was

loaded -- not a lot of room in memory on the Apple II E once the
speech was

loaded, either. Only 128k with an extension card (64k  without!).

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Ballou

Sent: July 15, 2022 12:42 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Hi,

Also there were In the early to mid-80's, the Echo, and echo2-plus
I believe

if memory serves me correct, and Artic's Business Vision.  And
dating back

to the first computer and screen reader access that I experienced
which was

while I was a student at the Community College of Philadelphia, 1984's

Information through Speech systems which were designed and produced by

Maryland Computer service. They've come so far from those days,
and there's

more than enough history for a book.

Tony

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Howard Traxler

Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:07 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Yes, there was:

TexTalker by Street

Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert
and Vert

Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal
Operating

System)

And, probably, many more.  And each of them probably have a background

story.  To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just
an article.

Howard

On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

> I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard

> Traxler

> Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including
NVDA)

>

> Very good as a summary.  A complete history would have covered
many more

screen readers and their developers.

>

> Howard

>

>

> On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:

>> very nice informative article.

>>

>> On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io

>> <bglists@...> wrote:

>>> Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility
week, or

>>> are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin

>>>    Brian

>>>

>>> --

>>> bglists@...

>>> Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media)

>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>>> in the display name field.

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io"
<lauriemehta@...>

>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM

>>> Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

>>>

>>>

>>> Hi,

>>>

>>> I came across this today and am sharing it here because I
think that

>>> many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

>>>

>>> -Laurie

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> The hidden history of screen readers

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww

>>>
w.theverge.com%2F23203911%2Fscreen-readers-history-blind-henter&amp;

>>>
data=05%7C01%7C%7C1cd7610a7b4f422f382608da667c20de%7C84df9e7fe9f640a

>>>
fb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637934980560512574%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb

>>>
3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3

>>>
D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=dkw5gn%2FtPWKMpBF946SnutQUAmeyamRo0N4Kjr

>>> Ar8gM%3D&amp;reserved=0

>>> -curran

>>> -teh-nvda

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>

>

>

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Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Karl Smith
 

I actually used one of those as well. It had a touch screen and as I still had some vision then I used it at times. I also remember it had 2 3.5 inch floppy drives with 720K disks which was twice the storage of 5.25 inch 360K disks. I used a program whose name I can’t remember but worked like a rolodex to track the NFB of Utah’s member database. The screen actually looked much like a rolodex and you could touch the top or bottom of the roller on the screen and the screen would appear to rotate like a rolodex. I think the talking software was called Talking Information Manager or TIM but I’m reaching very far back now.

 

One other thing unrelated to this computer. Does anyone remember the speakwalizer? This was a hardware device developed by someone in the NFB which connected to a DOS computer and provided speech. I don’t think it required a screen reader as I believe it took information sent to it from the screen and allowed the user to navigate with controls on the device. I seem to remember it was the only device which would talk during computer setup even before the OS was running but I may be wrong about that.

 

Karl

 

 

------------------------------

 

Karl Smith
Access Technology Consultant
4304 South El Camino St.
Taylorsville, Utah 84129

 

Phone:                 866-824-7885
Fax:                        866-824-7885
E-mail:                  karl@...
Alternate E-Mail:              karl.axistech@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

So far no one has mentioned the modified HP 125 from Maryland Computers called the ITS for Information through Speech.  It had a Votrax synth installed in the base and was a CP/m based computer.  Mostly it was very reliable, quite quick and came with a dual floppy disk system.  I added a 20 meg hard drive outboard system for $7,000 and thought it ran like a rocket.Because of the way much software accessed the terminal portion of the computer most CP/M commercial software wouldn’t talk well but Condor Database worked exceptionally well as did BPI accounting,.

 

CP/m is a lot like MS-DOS so the operating system was very accessible.

 

I sure could have used more training on it though.

 

Cheers.

Dale Leavens

Cochrane Ontario Canada

.

Come visit our polar bears!

 

On Jul 15, 2022, at 1:37 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:



Hi,

 

In the mid 1980s, I learned the apple II E computer. We had a screen reader called word talk. It was on a floppy disk so you had to put it into the computer’s drive for it to work. There was another one called word rap. It was pretty fast.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Yeah. The Echo was for the Apple II line, and was introduced in the late

70s. You had to copy the software to drive the synth/screen-reader onto

every disk you wanted to talk, or else switch the disks once the speech was

loaded -- not a lot of room in memory on the Apple II E once the speech was

loaded, either. Only 128k with an extension card (64k  without!).

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Ballou

Sent: July 15, 2022 12:42 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Hi,

 

Also there were In the early to mid-80's, the Echo, and echo2-plus I believe

if memory serves me correct, and Artic's Business Vision.  And dating back

to the first computer and screen reader access that I experienced which was

while I was a student at the Community College of Philadelphia, 1984's

Information through Speech systems which were designed and produced by

Maryland Computer service. They've come so far from those days, and there's

more than enough history for a book.

 

Tony 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler

Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:07 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Yes, there was:

TexTalker by Street

Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert

Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating

System)

 

And, probably, many more.  And each of them probably have a background

story.  To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

 

Howard

On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

> I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard

> Traxler

> Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

> Very good as a summary.  A complete history would have covered many more

screen readers and their developers.

> Howard

> On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:

>> very nice informative article.

>> 

>> On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io

>> <bglists@...> wrote:

>>> Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or

>>> are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin

>>>    Brian

>>> 

>>> --

>>> bglists@...

>>> Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media)

>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>>> in the display name field.

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...>

>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM

>>> Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that

>>> many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

>>> 

>>> -Laurie

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> The hidden history of screen readers

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww

>>> w.theverge.com%2F23203911%2Fscreen-readers-history-blind-henter&amp;

>>> data=05%7C01%7C%7C1cd7610a7b4f422f382608da667c20de%7C84df9e7fe9f640a

>>> fb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637934980560512574%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb

>>> 3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3

>>> D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=dkw5gn%2FtPWKMpBF946SnutQUAmeyamRo0N4Kjr

>>> Ar8gM%3D&amp;reserved=0

>>> -curran

>>> -teh-nvda

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Add-on Updater notice: introducing Project Meteor to refactor add-on download and installation steps

Ravindran V.S.
 

Agree on this.

Add-ons installed from beside the official pages should also have a feature to be updated through the Add-on updater.

 Thanks,

Ravi.

V.S.Ravindran.

Excuses leads to failure!””

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 1:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater notice: introducing Project Meteor to refactor add-on download and installation steps

 

Well I'd like a feature where you can choose to update addons from either the nvda addon database or thee author spaciffic addons.

Or find a way for something to automatically pole updated releases pages for authors periodically to get updates.

Some updates like tony's addons have not got latest updates to 1.14 and while you can request them manually added to the addon files database surely we need more sources.

Now I realise the potential for misuse but there are somethings that are not even in the main database.

Some others have made other sources and tools but there really should be other ways to select other databases and other mirrors and users.

I mean they do it in linux several sources at once.

 

Not sure how security would work though.

 

On 16/07/2022 4:34 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

A significant change is now being tested in Project Meteor in the form of a new try build: https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/22.07/addonUpdater-tryProjectMeteor20220715.nvda-addon

The biggest change (to be included in upcoming Add-on Updater stable release) is that disabled add-ons will not be updated by default. Depending on background add-on updates setting:

  • Background updates on: NVDA will just ignore disabled add-ons altogether.
  • Background updates off: disabled add-ons will be unchecked in add-on updates dialog (the one you get after checking for add-on updates). If you somehow check disabled add-ons and select "update add-ons," NVDA will ask if you wish to update disabled add-ons as updating them will enable them after restarting NVDA. If you say "no", NVDA will return you to ad-on updates dialog where you can uncheck disabled add-ons.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Dale Leavens
 

So far no one has mentioned the modified HP 125 from Maryland Computers called the ITS for Information through Speech.  It had a Votrax synth installed in the base and was a CP/m based computer.  Mostly it was very reliable, quite quick and came with a dual floppy disk system.  I added a 20 meg hard drive outboard system for $7,000 and thought it ran like a rocket.Because of the way much software accessed the terminal portion of the computer most CP/M commercial software wouldn’t talk well but Condor Database worked exceptionally well as did BPI accounting,.

CP/m is a lot like MS-DOS so the operating system was very accessible.

I sure could have used more training on it though.

Cheers.

Dale Leavens
Cochrane Ontario Canada
.
Come visit our polar bears!

On Jul 15, 2022, at 1:37 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:



Hi,

 

In the mid 1980s, I learned the apple II E computer. We had a screen reader called word talk. It was on a floppy disk so you had to put it into the computer’s drive for it to work. There was another one called word rap. It was pretty fast.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Yeah. The Echo was for the Apple II line, and was introduced in the late

70s. You had to copy the software to drive the synth/screen-reader onto

every disk you wanted to talk, or else switch the disks once the speech was

loaded -- not a lot of room in memory on the Apple II E once the speech was

loaded, either. Only 128k with an extension card (64k  without!).

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Ballou

Sent: July 15, 2022 12:42 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Hi,

 

Also there were In the early to mid-80's, the Echo, and echo2-plus I believe

if memory serves me correct, and Artic's Business Vision.  And dating back

to the first computer and screen reader access that I experienced which was

while I was a student at the Community College of Philadelphia, 1984's

Information through Speech systems which were designed and produced by

Maryland Computer service. They've come so far from those days, and there's

more than enough history for a book.

 

Tony 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler

Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:07 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Yes, there was:

TexTalker by Street

Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert

Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating

System)

 

And, probably, many more.  And each of them probably have a background

story.  To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

 

Howard

On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

> I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard

> Traxler

> Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

> Very good as a summary.  A complete history would have covered many more

screen readers and their developers.

> Howard

> On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:

>> very nice informative article.

>> 

>> On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io

>> <bglists@...> wrote:

>>> Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or

>>> are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin

>>>    Brian

>>> 

>>> --

>>> bglists@...

>>> Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media)

>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>>> in the display name field.

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...>

>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM

>>> Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that

>>> many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

>>> 

>>> -Laurie

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> The hidden history of screen readers

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww

>>> w.theverge.com%2F23203911%2Fscreen-readers-history-blind-henter&amp;

>>> data=05%7C01%7C%7C1cd7610a7b4f422f382608da667c20de%7C84df9e7fe9f640a

>>> fb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637934980560512574%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb

>>> 3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3

>>> D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=dkw5gn%2FtPWKMpBF946SnutQUAmeyamRo0N4Kjr

>>> Ar8gM%3D&amp;reserved=0

>>> -curran

>>> -teh-nvda

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Pranav Lal
 

That is correct, windows bridge was the first screen reader for windows.

Pranav

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

I thought it was window eyes which I have used. It might have also been vocal eyes in 1994 or so. I remember quitting to windows or quitting to doss.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Great article.

However, and perhaps I misunderstood, but it sounds like the author suggests Jaws for Windows was the first screenreader for Windows. Nope. The first was Windows Bridge, from SynthaVoice Computers Inc. and was out at least three years before JFW.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R
Sent: July 15, 2022 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

very nice informative article.

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or are
we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin Brian

--
bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media)
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that
many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

-Laurie




The hidden history of screen readers






https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-henter-
curran
-teh-nvda

















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aravind.rajendran@....


Re: Looking for accessible data recovery software for iPhones

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Brian,

I hear you. The issue is resolved. I did not have to use any software. The
iPhone has a feature where images are moved to a recently deleted folder and
I had not realized that that had happened. I have recovered the data.

Pranav

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for accessible data recovery software for
iPhones

Personally I'd not ask here, since this is an nvda list. There are lots of
apple lists. Your main issue will be the sandboxing that Apple puts stuff in
to protect privacy. Anything that can undelete stuff is going to be hacking
the OS. I guess, then you do not have an offline back up using Itunes on a
PC? Often the only way out is frequent back ups and then you can restore
the whole phone which may be the only way.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 12:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Looking for accessible data recovery software for iPhones


Hi all,

Does anyone know of an accessible program that will recover deleted images
on an iPhone? There are plenty of them if you search but none appear to be
usable at least with a screen reader hence my question.

I have tried disk-drill, phoneRescue, iMyFone D-Back for iOS and stelar data
recovery. Stelar data recovery is the most accessible but its scan crashes
25% of the way through therefore I do not know what is happening there.
Pranav


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Arlene
 

Hi, I’ve heard of that. My room mate used an apple computer in the mid 80s. You had to put in a floppy disk to activate the voice. Someone demonstrated it at a workshop I attended in the mid to late 80s.  When I learned the computer in the late 80s I used a dos computer that used votrax. My first word program was word perfect 5.1

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: July 15, 2022 10:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Hi,

 

In the mid 1980s, I learned the apple II E computer. We had a screen reader called word talk. It was on a floppy disk so you had to put it into the computer’s drive for it to work. There was another one called word rap. It was pretty fast.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Yeah. The Echo was for the Apple II line, and was introduced in the late

70s. You had to copy the software to drive the synth/screen-reader onto

every disk you wanted to talk, or else switch the disks once the speech was

loaded -- not a lot of room in memory on the Apple II E once the speech was

loaded, either. Only 128k with an extension card (64k  without!).

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Ballou

Sent: July 15, 2022 12:42 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Hi,

 

Also there were In the early to mid-80's, the Echo, and echo2-plus I believe

if memory serves me correct, and Artic's Business Vision.  And dating back

to the first computer and screen reader access that I experienced which was

while I was a student at the Community College of Philadelphia, 1984's

Information through Speech systems which were designed and produced by

Maryland Computer service. They've come so far from those days, and there's

more than enough history for a book.

 

Tony 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler

Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:07 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Yes, there was:

TexTalker by Street

Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert

Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating

System)

 

And, probably, many more.  And each of them probably have a background

story.  To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

 

Howard

On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

> I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard

> Traxler

> Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

> Very good as a summary.  A complete history would have covered many more

screen readers and their developers.

> Howard

> On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:

>> very nice informative article.

>> 

>> On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io

>> <bglists@...> wrote:

>>> Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or

>>> are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin

>>>    Brian

>>> 

>>> --

>>> bglists@...

>>> Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media)

>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>>> in the display name field.

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...>

>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM

>>> Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that

>>> many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

>>> 

>>> -Laurie

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> The hidden history of screen readers

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww

>>> w.theverge.com%2F23203911%2Fscreen-readers-history-blind-henter&amp;

>>> data=05%7C01%7C%7C1cd7610a7b4f422f382608da667c20de%7C84df9e7fe9f640a

>>> fb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637934980560512574%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb

>>> 3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3

>>> D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=dkw5gn%2FtPWKMpBF946SnutQUAmeyamRo0N4Kjr

>>> Ar8gM%3D&amp;reserved=0

>>> -curran

>>> -teh-nvda

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Vocal-Eyes was GW Micro's DOS screen reader. It was my first screen reading program back when I used DOS 6.2 and Procom Plus and the Lynx browser in a shell account to access the Internet.  I used Vocal-Eyes with Word Perfect 5.1 and 6.0 word processing software.

On 7/15/2022 11:00 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I thought it was window eyes which I have used. It might have also been vocal eyes in 1994 or so. I remember quitting to windows or quitting to doss.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Great article.

However, and perhaps I misunderstood, but it sounds like the author suggests Jaws for Windows was the first screenreader for Windows. Nope. The first was Windows Bridge, from SynthaVoice Computers Inc. and was out at least three years before JFW.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R
Sent: July 15, 2022 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

very nice informative article.

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or are
we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that
many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

-Laurie




The hidden history of screen readers






https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-henter-
curran
-teh-nvda
















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Re: Add-on Updater notice: introducing Project Meteor to refactor add-on download and installation steps

 

Hi,

As I wrote to Clement a while back, this can cause confusion for both users and Ad-on Updater regarding version and compatibility conflicts.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on Updater notice: introducing Project Meteor to refactor add-on download and installation steps

 

Well I'd like a feature where you can choose to update addons from either the nvda addon database or thee author spaciffic addons.

Or find a way for something to automatically pole updated releases pages for authors periodically to get updates.

Some updates like tony's addons have not got latest updates to 1.14 and while you can request them manually added to the addon files database surely we need more sources.

Now I realise the potential for misuse but there are somethings that are not even in the main database.

Some others have made other sources and tools but there really should be other ways to select other databases and other mirrors and users.

I mean they do it in linux several sources at once.


Not sure how security would work though.


On 16/07/2022 4:34 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

A significant change is now being tested in Project Meteor in the form of a new try build: https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/22.07/addonUpdater-tryProjectMeteor20220715.nvda-addon

The biggest change (to be included in upcoming Add-on Updater stable release) is that disabled add-ons will not be updated by default. Depending on background add-on updates setting:

  • Background updates on: NVDA will just ignore disabled add-ons altogether.
  • Background updates off: disabled add-ons will be unchecked in add-on updates dialog (the one you get after checking for add-on updates). If you somehow check disabled add-ons and select "update add-ons," NVDA will ask if you wish to update disabled add-ons as updating them will enable them after restarting NVDA. If you say "no", NVDA will return you to ad-on updates dialog where you can uncheck disabled add-ons.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: When updating nvda, do I always need to deactivate / activate the eloquence nvda add on again?

Daniel McGee
 

Hi Gene and Brian

 

Gene is right, my question is indeed more about licensing.

 

So basically, within the eloquence and vocalizer add on compatible release cycle. If I wanted to try out the latest NVDA beta, do I always need to: one, deactivate the eloquence and vocalizer addon.

 

Two: update NVDA

 

Three: reactivate the eloquence and vocalizer addon again.

 

If one just updates NVDA but something goes Arie during the update process, does that mean the user loses one of the three activation keys that come with the purchased addon product.

 

Hoping this explanation is now crystal clear!

 

With kind regards

 

Daniel

On 15/07/2022 10:43, Gene wrote:

Its a question about licensing. 

Gene

On 7/15/2022 3:18 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
I'm not sure what you are saying. I'd have thought that as the drivers are part of nvda, at least when it updates, it has to do a restart and hence cannot speak.
In the case of windows updates when windows does this it normally runs in a mode where as few bits of windows are running as possible, so it can update system files and then reboots. So are you saying that this loses the paid for voices unless you deactivated them before the update then re enable after it? That would seem a little odd since most registered software seems happy to re initialise as windows reboots.
What are you trying to hear during the update process, as of course Narrator can be set to at least talk some prompts, and maybe finding a different default voice might help, but unless Microsoft are going to do an Apple and put in Eloquence as standard, you are probably stuck with whatever happens here.
Brian



Add-on Internals: Add-on Updater article posted

 

Hi all,

While the following is meant for technical users, I believe this can benefit everyone using Add-on Updater (or folks curious about it):

A while ago there was a question about which add-ons people cannot live without, and several users said Add-on Updater. But how does Add-on Updater work exactly, and what are steps NVDA follow to keep your add-ons updated? Now you have the answer in the following Add-on Internals article (author: yours truly) that describes the internals of this add-on:

addonupdaterinternals · nvdaaddons/DevGuide Wiki (github.com)

 

The article describes the actual add-on update check, download, and installation steps, as well as the process used to let Add-on Updater retrieve ad-on update information from a variety of sources such as community add-ons website. While it does not reflect current Add-on Updater stable version (22.07) internals, it discusses upcoming add-on changes, specifically Project Meteor. I expect to update this article throughout the day to include some more background history of this add-on. While the article is written for technical users and developers in mind, I hope you can use this article to learn more about some screen reader and add-on internals.

Enjoy the new article.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Howard Traxler
 

If I remember right, Word Talk was the word processor written by Larry Skutchan; who also wrote ASAP and ASAW.
Howard

On 7/15/2022 12:37 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi,

In the mid 1980s, I learned the apple II E computer. We had a screen reader called word talk. It was on a floppy disk so you had to put it into the computer’s drive for it to work. There was another one called word rap. It was pretty fast.

Rosemarie

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

*From: *JM Casey <mailto:jmcasey@...>
*Sent: *Friday, July 15, 2022 10:31 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Yeah. The Echo was for the Apple II line, and was introduced in the late

70s. You had to copy the software to drive the synth/screen-reader onto

every disk you wanted to talk, or else switch the disks once the speech was

loaded -- not a lot of room in memory on the Apple II E once the speech was

loaded, either. Only 128k with an extension card (64k  without!).

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Ballou

Sent: July 15, 2022 12:42 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Hi,

Also there were In the early to mid-80's, the Echo, and echo2-plus I believe

if memory serves me correct, and Artic's Business Vision.  And dating back

to the first computer and screen reader access that I experienced which was

while I was a student at the Community College of Philadelphia, 1984's

Information through Speech systems which were designed and produced by

Maryland Computer service. They've come so far from those days, and there's

more than enough history for a book.

Tony

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler

Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:07 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Yes, there was:

TexTalker by Street

Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert

Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating

System)

And, probably, many more.  And each of them probably have a background

story.  To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

Howard

On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)
Very good as a summary.  A complete history would have covered many more
screen readers and their developers.

Howard
On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:
very nice informative article.
On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or
are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin
    Brian
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Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media)
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)
Hi,
I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that
many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)
-Laurie
The hidden history of screen readers
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
w.theverge.com%2F23203911%2Fscreen-readers-history-blind-henter&amp;
data=05%7C01%7C%7C1cd7610a7b4f422f382608da667c20de%7C84df9e7fe9f640a
fb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637934980560512574%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb
3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3
D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=dkw5gn%2FtPWKMpBF946SnutQUAmeyamRo0N4Kjr
Ar8gM%3D&amp;reserved=0
-curran
-teh-nvda


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

JM Casey
 

Ah interesting. I never heard fo those, though Word talk seems familiar. The only screen reader I know of was called Textalker, which ran the Echo. I still have dreams about that weird sing-songy voice sometimes.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: July 15, 2022 01:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Hi,

 

In the mid 1980s, I learned the apple II E computer. We had a screen reader called word talk. It was on a floppy disk so you had to put it into the computer’s drive for it to work. There was another one called word rap. It was pretty fast.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Yeah. The Echo was for the Apple II line, and was introduced in the late

70s. You had to copy the software to drive the synth/screen-reader onto

every disk you wanted to talk, or else switch the disks once the speech was

loaded -- not a lot of room in memory on the Apple II E once the speech was

loaded, either. Only 128k with an extension card (64k  without!).

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Ballou

Sent: July 15, 2022 12:42 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Hi,

 

Also there were In the early to mid-80's, the Echo, and echo2-plus I believe

if memory serves me correct, and Artic's Business Vision.  And dating back

to the first computer and screen reader access that I experienced which was

while I was a student at the Community College of Philadelphia, 1984's

Information through Speech systems which were designed and produced by

Maryland Computer service. They've come so far from those days, and there's

more than enough history for a book.

 

Tony 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler

Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:07 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Yes, there was:

TexTalker by Street

Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert

Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating

System)

 

And, probably, many more.  And each of them probably have a background

story.  To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

 

Howard

On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

> I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard

> Traxler

> Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

> Very good as a summary.  A complete history would have covered many more

screen readers and their developers.

> Howard

> On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:

>> very nice informative article.

>> 

>> On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io

>> <bglists@...> wrote:

>>> Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or

>>> are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin

>>>    Brian

>>> 

>>> --

>>> bglists@...

>>> Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media)

>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>>> in the display name field.

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...>

>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM

>>> Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that

>>> many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

>>> 

>>> -Laurie

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> The hidden history of screen readers

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww

>>> w.theverge.com%2F23203911%2Fscreen-readers-history-blind-henter&amp;

>>> data=05%7C01%7C%7C1cd7610a7b4f422f382608da667c20de%7C84df9e7fe9f640a

>>> fb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637934980560512574%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb

>>> 3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3

>>> D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=dkw5gn%2FtPWKMpBF946SnutQUAmeyamRo0N4Kjr

>>> Ar8gM%3D&amp;reserved=0

>>> -curran

>>> -teh-nvda

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Howard Traxler
 

Yes, as I mentioned, the exho was the hardare part of the pair. TexTalker was the software driver that drove the echo.  I still have one of those old machine here.


Howard

On 7/15/2022 12:31 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yeah. The Echo was for the Apple II line, and was introduced in the late
70s. You had to copy the software to drive the synth/screen-reader onto
every disk you wanted to talk, or else switch the disks once the speech was
loaded -- not a lot of room in memory on the Apple II E once the speech was
loaded, either. Only 128k with an extension card (64k without!).

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: July 15, 2022 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Hi,

Also there were In the early to mid-80's, the Echo, and echo2-plus I believe
if memory serves me correct, and Artic's Business Vision. And dating back
to the first computer and screen reader access that I experienced which was
while I was a student at the Community College of Philadelphia, 1984's
Information through Speech systems which were designed and produced by
Maryland Computer service. They've come so far from those days, and there's
more than enough history for a book.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Yes, there was:
TexTalker by Street
Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert
Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating
System)

And, probably, many more.  And each of them probably have a background
story.  To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

Howard
On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Very good as a summary. A complete history would have covered many more
screen readers and their developers.
Howard


On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:
very nice informative article.

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or
are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin
Brian

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From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that
many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

-Laurie




The hidden history of screen readers






https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
w.theverge.com%2F23203911%2Fscreen-readers-history-blind-henter&amp;
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Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

 

In the mid 1980s, I learned the apple II E computer. We had a screen reader called word talk. It was on a floppy disk so you had to put it into the computer’s drive for it to work. There was another one called word rap. It was pretty fast.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Yeah. The Echo was for the Apple II line, and was introduced in the late

70s. You had to copy the software to drive the synth/screen-reader onto

every disk you wanted to talk, or else switch the disks once the speech was

loaded -- not a lot of room in memory on the Apple II E once the speech was

loaded, either. Only 128k with an extension card (64k  without!).

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Ballou

Sent: July 15, 2022 12:42 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Hi,

 

Also there were In the early to mid-80's, the Echo, and echo2-plus I believe

if memory serves me correct, and Artic's Business Vision.  And dating back

to the first computer and screen reader access that I experienced which was

while I was a student at the Community College of Philadelphia, 1984's

Information through Speech systems which were designed and produced by

Maryland Computer service. They've come so far from those days, and there's

more than enough history for a book.

 

Tony 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler

Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:07 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Yes, there was:

TexTalker by Street

Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert

Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating

System)

 

And, probably, many more.  And each of them probably have a background

story.  To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

 

Howard

On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

> I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard

> Traxler

> Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

> Very good as a summary.  A complete history would have covered many more

screen readers and their developers.

> Howard

> On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:

>> very nice informative article.

>> 

>> On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io

>> <bglists@...> wrote:

>>> Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or

>>> are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin

>>>    Brian

>>> 

>>> --

>>> bglists@...

>>> Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media)

>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>>> in the display name field.

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...>

>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM

>>> Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that

>>> many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

>>> 

>>> -Laurie

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> The hidden history of screen readers

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww

>>> w.theverge.com%2F23203911%2Fscreen-readers-history-blind-henter&amp;

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>>> Ar8gM%3D&amp;reserved=0

>>> -curran

>>> -teh-nvda

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

JM Casey
 

Yeah. The Echo was for the Apple II line, and was introduced in the late
70s. You had to copy the software to drive the synth/screen-reader onto
every disk you wanted to talk, or else switch the disks once the speech was
loaded -- not a lot of room in memory on the Apple II E once the speech was
loaded, either. Only 128k with an extension card (64k without!).

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: July 15, 2022 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Hi,

Also there were In the early to mid-80's, the Echo, and echo2-plus I believe
if memory serves me correct, and Artic's Business Vision. And dating back
to the first computer and screen reader access that I experienced which was
while I was a student at the Community College of Philadelphia, 1984's
Information through Speech systems which were designed and produced by
Maryland Computer service. They've come so far from those days, and there's
more than enough history for a book.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Yes, there was:
TexTalker by Street
Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert
Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating
System)

And, probably, many more.  And each of them probably have a background
story.  To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

Howard
On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Very good as a summary. A complete history would have covered many more
screen readers and their developers.

Howard


On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:
very nice informative article.

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or
are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin
Brian

--
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Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that
many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

-Laurie




The hidden history of screen readers






https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
w.theverge.com%2F23203911%2Fscreen-readers-history-blind-henter&amp;
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Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Pamela Dominguez
 

Yes, in my dos computer I had artic vision.  There was also Vert and Vert plus.  Pam.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Hi,

 

Also there were In the early to mid-80's, the Echo, and echo2-plus I believe if memory serves me correct, and Artic's Business Vision.  And dating back to the first computer and screen reader access that I experienced which was while I was a student at the Community College of Philadelphia, 1984's Information through Speech systems which were designed and produced by Maryland Computer service. They've come so far from those days, and there's more than enough history for a book.

 

Tony 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler

Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:07 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Yes, there was:

TexTalker by Street

Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating System)

 

And, probably, many more.  And each of them probably have a background story.  To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

 

Howard

On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

> I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard

> Traxler

> Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

> Very good as a summary.  A complete history would have covered many more screen readers and their developers.

> Howard

> On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:

>> very nice informative article.

>> 

>> On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io

>> <bglists@...> wrote:

>>> Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or

>>> are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin

>>>    Brian

>>> 

>>> --

>>> bglists@...

>>> Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media)

>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>>> in the display name field.

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...>

>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM

>>> Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that

>>> many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

>>> 

>>> -Laurie

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> The hidden history of screen readers

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww

>>> w.theverge.com%2F23203911%2Fscreen-readers-history-blind-henter&amp;

>>> data=05%7C01%7C%7C1cd7610a7b4f422f382608da667c20de%7C84df9e7fe9f640a

>>> fb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637934980560512574%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb

>>> 3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3

>>> D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=dkw5gn%2FtPWKMpBF946SnutQUAmeyamRo0N4Kjr

>>> Ar8gM%3D&amp;reserved=0

>>> -curran

>>> -teh-nvda

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,

Also there were In the early to mid-80's, the Echo, and echo2-plus I believe if memory serves me correct, and Artic's Business Vision. And dating back to the first computer and screen reader access that I experienced which was while I was a student at the Community College of Philadelphia, 1984's Information through Speech systems which were designed and produced by Maryland Computer service. They've come so far from those days, and there's more than enough history for a book.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Yes, there was:
TexTalker by Street
Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating System)

And, probably, many more.  And each of them probably have a background story.  To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

Howard
On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Very good as a summary. A complete history would have covered many more screen readers and their developers.

Howard


On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:
very nice informative article.

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or
are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin
Brian

--
bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media)
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that
many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

-Laurie




The hidden history of screen readers






https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
w.theverge.com%2F23203911%2Fscreen-readers-history-blind-henter&amp;
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Re: Add-on Updater notice: introducing Project Meteor to refactor add-on download and installation steps

 

Hi all,

A significant change is now being tested in Project Meteor in the form of a new try build: https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/22.07/addonUpdater-tryProjectMeteor20220715.nvda-addon

The biggest change (to be included in upcoming Add-on Updater stable release) is that disabled add-ons will not be updated by default. Depending on background add-on updates setting:

  • Background updates on: NVDA will just ignore disabled add-ons altogether.
  • Background updates off: disabled add-ons will be unchecked in add-on updates dialog (the one you get after checking for add-on updates). If you somehow check disabled add-ons and select "update add-ons," NVDA will ask if you wish to update disabled add-ons as updating them will enable them after restarting NVDA. If you say "no", NVDA will return you to ad-on updates dialog where you can uncheck disabled add-ons.

Cheers,

Joseph

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