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Re: Please update Enhanced Phonetic Reading App

 

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 03:22 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
The weird way these groups have been behaving recently, often means older messages in a thread can take several house to appear in somebody's email inbox.
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I have grown tired of this excuse, and that's what it is, too.   As administrator on several groups, and a years long participant on many more, I can count on less than two hands the times a message was delayed to anyone by anything more than a few minutes.

I have no reason to presume the odd one-off in general, and won't.  Too many members here, and elsewhere, just do not pay attention and when I (or anyone else) offers a direct answer to their query, and it's ignored well after other members have already commented on seeing it and it having worked, there's reason to be upset when the query is repeated.
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Re: NVDA windows 7

Gene
 

The newest version can be used with Windows 7.  It will be announced on the list when Windows 7 support will be dropped.

As far as not seeing contacts, you appear to be referring to autocomplete.  You don't say what e-mail program you are using and that is essential information.  when asking about any problem, it is important to include the program you are using and the Windows version.

Gene

On 7/21/2022 9:40 AM, Timothy VD Berg wrote:

Hi

What NVDA latest version can a person use on win 7

And question 2

In outlook if I type a new meassage why is not showing the concates.

Thanks

Timothy

 



Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Shawn
 

Yeah that's true, more like a screen reader alternative for people who don't want to use anything but what it gives you. I know it had the file system manager, and I think it had an email program, but I don't think it had a browser alternative. It's been a few years, and I didn't really get much into it except for the games. I know most people I knew who had it also had VV or Jaws or they wouldn't have been able to use Skype.

Shawn Klein

On 7/19/2022 5:08 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Yah, but remember that DosVox it was not a screen reader...

In some versions it have a very basic screen reader, but it was really basic...


Rui Fontes


Às 02:57 de 19/07/2022, Shawn via groups.io escreveu:

Yeah, I couldn't get that because you have to have a Brazilian bank account in a certain bank to get it. I thought it would be cool to try it. I did have DosVox though for a while and played around with it some years ago. There were some cool games, I especially liked the one where you have to try to land on the moon. But I had to use a different voice, the native voice was incomprehensible to me as it was just made up of a bunch of syllables in wav files. Sounded like an alien robot. For native speakers it wasn't a problem, but for me I hated it. Luckily you could use a Sapi voice with it. It was basically a screen reader for people who didn't want to have to learn windows. It had loads of parts like a word processor, dictionaries, a telnet type client, and a file manager and I forget what else. Lots of people say it makes its users lazy for that reason, and they don't bother learning how to do things with windows and other programs.

Shawn Klein

On 7/18/2022 6:35 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

And everybody have forgoten a screen reader developed in Brasil, named Virtual Vision...


Rui Fontes


Às 00:28 de 19/07/2022, Gene escreveu:
the article is interesting and it has good information about JAWS and NVDA.  But it has problems.  It should have said something about Window-eyes because a lot of people used it and it was a good screen-reader.  It helped in development of screen-reader innovations in ways that should have been noted.

But a serious problem in the article is that it gives the reader the impression that there shouldn't need to be independently developed screen-readers if developers of software built accessibility into them.  This is erroneous for two reasons.

First, yes, accessibility should be built into programs and operating systems but we have been better served by screen-readers being developed outside of operating system programmers.  We are much better off having choices when it  comes  to Windows screen-readers.  It is a constantly stated truism that some screen-readers work better with some programs than others.  If Microsoft had developed a good screen-reader from the outset, we would probably only have one screen-reader and even if we would benefit from having more, we wouldn't. 

The article doesn't discuss this at all and the author is evidently completely unaware of the arguments about which is better, one screen-reader developed by the developers of an operating system or what exists regarding Windows.

I think we are much better off as things are. 

Gene

On 7/14/2022 10:06 PM, Laurie Mehta via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name…)

-Laurie

 

The hidden history of screen readers

 

 

https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-henter-curran-teh-nvda

 

 



NVDA windows 7

Timothy VD Berg
 

Hi

What NVDA latest version can a person use on win 7

And question 2

In outlook if I type a new meassage why is not showing the concates.

Thanks

Timothy

 


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Shawn
 

Hi Ken, I think you misunderstood something. The Brazilian screen reader package I was talking about is called Dosvox, D...O...S...V as in victor...O...X, and it's for Windows. It's called Dosvox, but really has nothing to do with Dos. BTW there is an implementation of Dosvox  in Spanish called MexVox. There is also Linvox, the original Dosvox in Portuguese, but for Linux  2.0.

Shawn Klein

On 7/20/2022 5:32 AM, Ken Perry wrote:

 

 

You can still play the moon  landing game if you run MsDos on the web.  There is actually web sites that run MsDos with all the old .bas games.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shawn via groups.io
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
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Yeah, I couldn't get that because you have to have a Brazilian bank account in a certain bank to get it. I thought it would be cool to try it. I did have DosVox though for a while and played around with it some years ago. There were some cool games, I especially liked the one where you have to try to land on the moon. But I had to use a different voice, the native voice was incomprehensible to me as it was just made up of a bunch of syllables in wav files. Sounded like an alien robot. For native speakers it wasn't a problem, but for me I hated it. Luckily you could use a Sapi voice with it. It was basically a screen reader for people who didn't want to have to learn windows. It had loads of parts like a word processor, dictionaries, a telnet type client, and a file manager and I forget what else. Lots of people say it makes its users lazy for that reason, and they don't bother learning how to do things with windows and other programs.

Shawn Klein

On 7/18/2022 6:35 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

And everybody have forgoten a screen reader developed in Brasil, named Virtual Vision...

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 00:28 de 19/07/2022, Gene escreveu:

the article is interesting and it has good information about JAWS and NVDA.  But it has problems.  It should have said something about Window-eyes because a lot of people used it and it was a good screen-reader.  It helped in development of screen-reader innovations in ways that should have been noted.

But a serious problem in the article is that it gives the reader the impression that there shouldn't need to be independently developed screen-readers if developers of software built accessibility into them.  This is erroneous for two reasons.

First, yes, accessibility should be built into programs and operating systems but we have been better served by screen-readers being developed outside of operating system programmers.  We are much better off having choices when it  comes  to Windows screen-readers.  It is a constantly stated truism that some screen-readers work better with some programs than others.  If Microsoft had developed a good screen-reader from the outset, we would probably only have one screen-reader and even if we would benefit from having more, we wouldn't. 

The article doesn't discuss this at all and the author is evidently completely unaware of the arguments about which is better, one screen-reader developed by the developers of an operating system or what exists regarding Windows.

I think we are much better off as things are. 

Gene

On 7/14/2022 10:06 PM, Laurie Mehta via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name…)

-Laurie

 

The hidden history of screen readers

 

 

https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-henter-curran-teh-nvda

 

 

 


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Dave Grossoehme
 

Hi Pam:  I had to take both of those language classes as well as a class on Assembler.  The computers had to be kept at 72 degree to keep them from going down.

Dave


On 7/19/2022 2:39 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

In 1971, I took a computer programming class where the computers were big appliances that had to be in an air-conditioned computer room.  There was no such thing as a personal computer, back then.  Each thing was a big machine about the size of a washing machine.  The disk drive took a big stack of 12-inch records.  The tape drive used ten-inch reels.  We ran punch cards to run programs and test data.  I can’t tell you all about what was on the disks and tapes.  This class taught two computer languages.  One was called RPG, which stood for report program generator.  The second language was cobol, which stood for common ordinary business oriented language.  Pam.

 

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From: Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Hi: My first desktop computer was before Windows.  I started out by using one of the first in line of the Jaws For Dos programs.  However, the history of blind using computers goes back before a desktop computer existed.  I only know of paarts of the information, of which there was a program on punched cards that could be added to other punched card programs to make a IBM 1403 Printer write in braille.  Also IBM had started work on software for the blind to use with some of the first IBM consoles, which was a large typewriter that you typed commands into a main frame computer.

Dave

 

On 7/15/2022 11:07 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Pam,

 

The very first computer I got had a demo version of window eyes. I had gotten it from Computers for the Blind in Texas.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

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From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 7:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

My first windows computer that I got in 2000 had window bridge in it.  But I felt so alone, because nobody could help me, because they either had jaws or window eyes in theirs.  Pam.

 

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From: Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Great article.

 

However, and perhaps I misunderstood, but it sounds like the author suggests Jaws for Windows was the first screenreader for Windows. Nope. The first was Windows Bridge, from SynthaVoice Computers Inc. and was out at least three years before JFW.

 

 

 

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very nice informative article.

 

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists@...> wrote:

> Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or are

> we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin  Brian

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Re: Please update Enhanced Phonetic Reading App

tim
 

FYI,

Jaws only updates within the currant version you have installed.

If its a new version like 21 to 22 then you get a new folder with that version in it and the other version still works unless you remove it.

I have worked on boxes with more than one version of jaws on them, because that is how it does things.


On7/20/2022 6:34 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps the update function should present a screen explaining why this is important to do and giving users the opportunity to answer yes or no to having it done.  I don't think most users would think about this themselves.  My objection to updates of this kind is that they remove the previous version.  That is why, if I used JAWS to any extent, I'd probably install a completely new version and not use the update function, thus leaving the old version on the machine in case I want to use it.

Gene

On 7/20/2022 4:49 PM, Gene wrote:
Before updating NVDA, I would recommend creating a portable version of the current version you are using.  Then, if the updated installed version has problems, you can use the portable version and, in a case like this, continue to use the add-on without disruption.

Gene

On 7/20/2022 4:33 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hi Joseph,

 

Please tell us more. I’d like to get this function back ASAP.

 

Janet

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: July 20, 2022 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please update Enhanced Phonetic Reading App

 

Hi,

A game changer feature was just added to NVDA - ask me privately please.

Cheers,

Joseph




Re: Improving accessibility of Spotify for desktop

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On the other hand much like Team viewer, and dropbox, maybe the authors of these programs and web interfaces need to get their ttesting the accessibility right before they go live with a new version. Ahem. Perhaps we need some kind of list of second line or accessibility support points of contact for an many of these often updated services as possible.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Improving accessibility of Spotify for desktop


Hello again. I am here after long time.

After update of Spotify, the mouse cursor isn't says sometimes anything,
when I would like to move somewhere. It is very bad to me, because I
can't move playlists, playlist folders or songs in playlists.

I think, that NVDA will soon need some add-on to improve those things.

Dňa 18. 5. 2021 o 12:47 Marco Oros via groups.io napísal(a):

Hi people, I am back in this thread.

After new update, Spotify's playlist view in Your library is accessed
very well.

Also, I need some people, some blind users, who will register in
Spotify community and vote for My accessible ideas for Spotify, or
create another ideas to vote for. There are not many votes to get It
to Spotify. I will be happy, if Spotify will be more accessible for
the blind, like It is.

Dňa 7. 5. 2021 o 0:08 Marco Oros via groups.io napísal(a):

I know about It, but I have for example problem with playlist view.

Also, in My computer this interface is actually default.

Playlists are viewed in left, but not at 'Your library' section.


Dňa 6. 5. 2021 o 23:57 Sarah k Alawami napísal(a):

They already have a layout you can get ot that is fully accessible.
I forgot how to do it but you need to edit a CFG file. My BF told me
about it and I've seen him use it with no issues. I've been using
spotify since 2017 in electron mode and it is grate.

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On 6 May 2021, at 10:06, Marco Oros wrote:

Hello.

I don't know, where to post It. I'll try to post It here.

Maybe You know about Spotify. New interface is better
accessible, than this previous. I think to Spotify for desktop.
Sometimes NVDA don't read everything on Spotify, for example
playlist view in 'Your library' ETC. Similar thing is with
moving playlists to folders, althought with new interface
Spotify's accessibility is better.

I don't know, how to programm, but please somebody make Spotify
for desktop accessible with NVDA. It is very good software.

Thank You.

best regards

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Re: Please update Enhanced Phonetic Reading App

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Yes, though nothing has changed in this regard from 2022.1 of course.
Its different on the sound schemes add on, as the alpha snaps give an error, but do not say its incompatible.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please update Enhanced Phonetic Reading App


Before updating NVDA, I would recommend creating a portable version of
the current version you are using. Then, if the updated installed
version has problems, you can use the portable version and, in a case
like this, continue to use the add-on without disruption.

Gene

On 7/20/2022 4:33 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hi Joseph,

Please tell us more. I’d like to get this function back ASAP.

Janet

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Joseph Lee
*Sent:* July 20, 2022 2:29 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Please update Enhanced Phonetic Reading App

Hi,

A game changer feature was just added to NVDA - ask me privately please.

Cheers,

Joseph






Re: Please update Enhanced Phonetic Reading App

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Brian, don't be too harsh. The weird way these groups have been behaving recently, often means older messages in a thread can take several house to appear in somebody's email inbox. This, I rather gather is just a fact of life in this spam ridden world we now live in. Sigh....
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Please update Enhanced Phonetic Reading App


On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 05:34 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:


I’d like to get this function back ASAP.
-
Janet,

Then for the love of heaven download the compatible add-on! Why do you think I gave a direct link to the page on which it resides in the NVDA Add-Ons Directory?!
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Re: Please update Enhanced Phonetic Reading App

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There is though in the latest alpha an incompatibility with the dev version of sound schemes. The problem for me is that all the current alphas exhibit the issue and the ones that worked have dropped off' the bottom of the list. I rather took my eye off the alphas recently due to personal commitments.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Please update Enhanced Phonetic Reading App


On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 04:14 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:


We’ll see if this works with the next build of nvda that is probably out
by now.
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It's tested to work with NVDA 2022 regardless of the dot release. That's pretty much been the pattern in general, if something's compatible with a dot one major release it does not revert to incompatible with dot two and higher. Now, when the next major NVDA release comes out (2023, which is a while away yet) some things will likely become incompatible until the necessary tweaks are made. With any luck, more of that will be happening during the early betas.

This is one of the problems that can't be solved as far as add-ons go, at least not entirely. Those who create them are sometimes going to walk away from them, and if they aren't picked up by another developer, well, . . .
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Re: Checking for updates is failing

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Yes its the auto spotting that is not working I think. The manual update normally works, but I had problems due to loading or a dodgy connection.

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I just went to check for updates. There it was.



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From: Bob Cavanaugh
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I typically wait until it prompts me for an update before doing so,

and I too haven't gotten a request for an NVDA update. If I haven't

gotten one by Friday, I may do a manual check.



On 7/20/22, John Sanfilippo <johnsanfilippo@...> wrote:

I'm now running NVDA 2022.2, but only because I read about the update in
email.
I'm running a very recently updated Windows 11 home, on a Microsoft
Surface lapto three.
Althought Check for Updates is set in settings, it ain't happening.
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Re: Checking for updates is failing

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Yup I confirm this one, Also yesterday, though my main copy at home updated successfully after I manually forced it. One on a machine connected by a 4g cellular dongle failed to complete, getting slower as the download progressed. I can only assume that the connection was taking too long or losing packets, since it took nearly10 mins then said it had failed.
Could be loading or maybe local Vodafone issues, I'll try again today, but am taking a portable copy with me just in case!
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I'm now running NVDA 2022.2, but only because I read about the update in
email.


I'm running a very recently updated Windows 11 home, on a Microsoft
Surface lapto three.


Althought Check for Updates is set in settings, it ain't happening.


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Re: list of all table commands

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That did not work here yesterday. Strange things caches.
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Ah - it was updated, my browser just insisted on using its old cached
version. Try pressing CONTROL+F5 if you're still getting the 2022.1
version of the user guide at
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 10:55 PM Quentin Christensen via groups.io <quentin=
nvaccess.org@groups.io> wrote:

Nikos,

Yes you found the original commands - but Joseph raises a good point, the
new ones should be there as well.

Looking at the PR which resolved this -
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/13435/files#diff-5290814766111d44cf9670be8301f5af9457dba7a8f936dbbbf207883000a4b0

There is a change entry for the user guide which should add four new rows
to that table in 5.3 with the commands to move to first and last column and
row.

Ah - if you look at your local copy (if you've updated to 2022.2) then
it's in there, but the file at
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html still
seems to be the 2022.1 User Guide - We'll get that updated!

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 10:49 PM Nikos Demetriou via groups.io
<nikosdemetriou@...> wrote:

Many thanks Joseph.
It was my mistake there are under 5.3. Navigating with the System Caret
Nikos

On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 at 15:47, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
wrote:

Hi,

Current (and new) table navigation commands are:

- Control+Alt+arrows: move between columns and rows
- Control+Alt+Home/End: move to the first or the last column on the
same row
- Control+Alt+Page up/page down: move to the first or the last row
on the selected column

Thought these were added to the user guide, but looks like it wasn't
(Quentin, any thoughts?).

Cheers,

Joseph

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Re: list of all table commands

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Maybe the place where this is needs to be flagged in other areas where one might look though. I certainly missed them as well.
Brian

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From: "Nikos Demetriou via groups.io" <nikosdemetriou@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list of all table commands


Many thanks Joseph.
It was my mistake there are under 5.3. Navigating with the System Caret
Nikos

On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 at 15:47, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Current (and new) table navigation commands are:

- Control+Alt+arrows: move between columns and rows
- Control+Alt+Home/End: move to the first or the last column on the
same row
- Control+Alt+Page up/page down: move to the first or the last row on
the selected column

Thought these were added to the user guide, but looks like it wasn't
(Quentin, any thoughts?).

Cheers,

Joseph






Re: nvda and visual studio code

Jacob Kruger
 

Not necessarily the same, but, if I need to know current line number, I just hit ctrl+G, and, the go to line dialogue tells me the current line number before I just hit escape to close it?


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On 2022-07-20 10:19 PM, David Galantin wrote:

Hi,

 

I read in the release notes of the last nvda version, we can see the line number’s in Visual studio.

Is it works in the Visual Studio Code ? I tried it but I didn’t have line number’s.

I activated the option in nvda and visual studio code.

 

Thanks for your answer,

 

David

 

 

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Re: Checking for updates is failing

 

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 07:44 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
The automatic check for updates checks when starting, but only, at most, once every 24 hour period.
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I can confirm this (even though there's no need to confirm what Quentin is saying) and have had internet service "burps" when an update was in the process of downloading, and it never checks in the background again on that day.  I generally just wait until I get the next, "Do you want to update?," prompt.  If I'm in a rush then I just download the installer directly from the NVAccess Download Page.
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Re: Checking for updates is failing

Bob Cavanaugh
 

I got it while on the phone about an hour into my conversation, not
when starting as expected. Then my internet decided to go down, so I
manually checked when it came back and am now running the latest NVDA.

On 7/20/22, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
The automatic check for updates checks when starting, but only, at most,
once every 24 hour period. Those following us on social media, or reading
the email lists often do see our announcement before you get the prompt to
update.

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 7:41 AM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

I just went to check for updates. There it was.



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*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Checking for updates is failing



I typically wait until it prompts me for an update before doing so,

and I too haven't gotten a request for an NVDA update. If I haven't

gotten one by Friday, I may do a manual check.



On 7/20/22, John Sanfilippo <johnsanfilippo@...> wrote:

I'm now running NVDA 2022.2, but only because I read about the update
in
email.
I'm running a very recently updated Windows 11 home, on a Microsoft
Surface lapto three.
Althought Check for Updates is set in settings, it ain't happening.
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Re: Please update Enhanced Phonetic Reading App

 

Hi,

The criticism and rebuke are warranted - I apologize for making things messier, especially to Janet for not showing professionalism in my answer earlier.

While the add-on was updated on Spanish community add-ons catalog (sometimes called nvda-addons.org), a few weeks ago I did ask community add-ons people to review the latest version of Enhanced Phonetic Reading compatible with NVDA 2022.1. I did update this request, noting that this feature is now part of NVDA, but the add-on author reminded me that there are internal differences between how the add-on does things and the method employed in NVDA. Whereas the add-on uses a timer to measure how long it should delay before announcing character descriptions, NVDA uses a synthesizer command to achieve this. The biggest concern from the add-on author (not me) is speech synthesizer add-on differences - not all speech synthesizers are compatible with recent NVDA releases, or if they are compatible, they do not implement a key piece that NVDA wants to use. As part of delayed character description work, SAPI4 synthesizer code was edited to support the key piece needed to support delayed character descriptions. As NVDA uses synthesizer (more towards speech) commands, one thing you will notice is that some speech synthesizers (notably Microsoft SAPI5) will have a slightly more delay when reading characters phonetically than other speech synthesizers (tested with eSpeak NG, SAPI5, Windows OneCore, Nuance Vocalizer, all of them supporting this feature).

If things went as planned, Enhanced Phonetic Reading compatible with NVDA 2022.1 would have been in your hands by now, but the request I posted about it are awaiting review and approval from community add-ons folks at the moment. The add-on author (again not I) and NVDA folks had a lengthy debate about implementation issues surrounding this feature. I concur with the add-on author on the point about speech synthesizer add-on updates and maintenance, and these add-ons are more sensitive to compatibility breaking changes as some deal with speech internals.

Again my apologies for making things difficult.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Please update Enhanced Phonetic Reading App

David Goldfield
 

Joseph, while I don’t apologize for what I was intending to express I do sincerely apologize if my initial response came off as less than charitable.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 8:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please update Enhanced Phonetic Reading App

 

Joseph wrote:

>(some of you should know what I'm talking about; spoiler alert: take a look at recent alpha changelog)

 

Joseph, I have the highest respect for you because of your knowledge, your willingness to share it in abundance as well as for your many contributions to the community. I am grateful for all of these things. However, I don’t find this particular message helpful. Since the alpha builds and their changelogs are available publicly it’s frankly silly to say, “I know something big but I can’t talk about it but check the alpha builds.” This is not elementary school and we’re all adults. Please either say nothing or just state what it is that you’re talking about. There’s nothing wrong with stating that you can’t comment on it beyond what’s in the alpha builds.

 

 

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Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please update Enhanced Phonetic Reading App

 

Hi,

All I can say at this time is that this game changing feature will be part of a future NVDA stable version (some of you should know what I'm talking about; spoiler alert: take a look at recent alpha changelog).

Cheers,

Joseph

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