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Re: NVDA and Fractions

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Brian and Quentin,

 

I would like to know more about regular expressions and how to use them. Could you point me in the right direction?

 

 

This looks like an important skill particularly with the rise of text to speech delivery of eBooks! BorrowBox have just brought out theirs and it uses the regular API voices. For example the word reach is being pronounced as ree, akt to give you an idea of the mispronunciation.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 12:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Fractions

 

Quentin,

        Thanks.  I agree that it's bizarre that Microsoft decided to use the ratio symbol in time.  It actually looks like a colon set slightly lower than center, but it's not something I would ever have thought of, nor thought it was not a colon, until you mentioned this.

         I also confirmed that my regular expression and replacement make NVDA stop saying "ratio" as part of time (at least when I have it written out in a MS-Word document using the ratio symbol as the separator).  But since AM and PM are read as on would expect one can simplify the regular expression to:

([1]*[0-9]+)(.)([0-5]{1}[0-9]{1}) ([a,A,p,P][m,M])

and the replacement expression to:  \1 \3 \4

since there's no need to separate the A or P from the M to get things announced as one would expect.

It's been some years since I had to use regular expressions with any regularity but they're somewhat like riding a bicycle in that once you've done that you can pick it up again pretty much anytime later on.

 
-- 
Brian

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Re: css information in a html document

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Basically, you just need to learn how to read the css but you won't necessarily have that information in the html document. It is standard practice for the html document to reference the css file for all of this information as opposed to having it in the document. If you do not know how to read css then the information you are probably looking for best be obtained by hiring a sighted individual to describe things for you as they visually appear on the page.

Cindy
PS Bookshare has the book CSS the missing manual that you should try if you are actually wanting to learn how to write CSS3.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrián Mena
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] css information in a html document

Hello Quentin and thank you for your answer.
What I wanted to ask was about the format information whenb you are creating a web site, and you create your css style. I would like to know if there is a way for NVDA to tell us the changes we do to our html document, you know, the border, size, spacing and all those details that are important when style.
Hope to have explained my self better this time.
Thank you for any help or direction in this matter.
Have a fantastic day!

2016-09-04 16:43 GMT-06:00, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:
By format information, do you mean the underlying HTML / CSS code?
For HTML, you can view the page source. The method may vary slightly
for different browsers, but for Firefox, if you press the applications
key pretty much anywhere on the page to bring up the context menu,
choose "View page source". That shows you the HTML. The CSS that
tells the browser how to display the various elements may be in the
same file or may be in other files. NVDA can read that, but whether
the source itself for many pages is understandable is a different matter entirely *grin*.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 2:44 AM, Adrián Mena <adrianm7m@...> wrote:

Hello everybody, I hope everything is fine.
I would like to know if there is a way in NVDA to Access all format
information in a html page.
This would be very useful when styling using css.
I will apreciate any help in this matter.
Thank you in advance.




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Re: Does updating NVDA preserve setttings?

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I think it happened once before but it is not an every time occurrence. And after the update I was like, hey, wait a minute, what happened to my speech. It was a different synth, different voice, and different speed.

I really need to remember to occasionally back up my settings.

Cindy

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does updating NVDA preserve setttings?

Well its supposed to do so. It kept mine, but in the past, just occasionally, it has reverted to something else. When I asked about this nobody could duplicate it, but I fancy its more likely that the original settings file was slightly corrupted in some way and parts of it were not readable at install time and hence the default settings got put in though at least let you hear what was going on. Strangely this seems to affect portable versions more often than installed ones. If you have ever had a faulty install and tried again I know this can leave things a bit strange in the .ini files.
If its a serious problem all the time, it might be worth reporting it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "slery" <slerythema@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does updating NVDA preserve setttings?


This last update to 2016.3 did not keep my speech settings and I had to go
in and reset them.



Cindy



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 10:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does updating NVDA preserve setttings?



John,

Someone else who uses a Braille display will have to absolutely
confirm with regard to that. My experience with upgrading NVDA from release
to release using the internal update feature or installing release candidate
software has kept all of my settings preserved as well as all the add-ons
I've installed. This is common practice now and the only deviation I
commonly see from it is the inclusion of a specific question during certain
installs where a question is asked as to whether you'd like to do a clean
install and telling you this resets everything back to "out of the box"
condition. NVDA has never presented me with one of these and has always
carried my settings forward.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never
enough to keep up.

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the Universe"

Re: importing my favorites to firefox

Tyler Spivey
 

On 10/17/2016 9:28 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I changed my default browser to firefox. How do I import my favorites to
it?


Thanks in advance.


Rosemarie


importing my favorites to firefox

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,


I changed my default browser to firefox. How do I import my favorites to it?


Thanks in advance.


Rosemarie

Re: never mind

Melissa G <wvflutist@...>
 

've also tried the command for telling time and date, but to no avail.


On 10/17/2016 11:39 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Ah well, glad you got it sorted out!  Yes some laptops do have odd keyboard layouts, you are definitely right.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Melissa Galbraith <wvflutist@...> wrote:
Looks like I just forgot to hit the shift.  Still this keyboard lay out is strange.







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Re: never mind

Quentin Christensen
 

Ah well, glad you got it sorted out!  Yes some laptops do have odd keyboard layouts, you are definitely right.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Melissa Galbraith <wvflutist@...> wrote:
Looks like I just forgot to hit the shift.  Still this keyboard lay out is strange.







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never mind

Melissa G <wvflutist@...>
 

Looks like I just forgot to hit the shift. Still this keyboard lay out is strange.

Re: simple comands

Melissa G <wvflutist@...>
 

I don't have a num pad.  Strange lay out.


On 10/17/2016 11:20 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
The main reason (off the top of my head), if you are using a laptop with a number pad and using the insert key as the NVDA modifier, could you have turned numlock on?  In that case, if numlock is on, the numpad insert key will give you a 0 rather than act as the NVDA modifier.

If that's not the case, is it just the NVDA modifier key - do other keys not work sometimes?  Or other NVDA commands?

And just in case anyone isn't aware, on a laptop, to get NVDA to read the battery status, press NVDA+shift+b

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Melissa Galbraith <wvflutist@...> wrote:
I'm trying to get the battery usage spoken, but can't.  Why does the NVDA key sometimes not work?


Melissa







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Re: simple comands

Quentin Christensen
 

The main reason (off the top of my head), if you are using a laptop with a number pad and using the insert key as the NVDA modifier, could you have turned numlock on?  In that case, if numlock is on, the numpad insert key will give you a 0 rather than act as the NVDA modifier.

If that's not the case, is it just the NVDA modifier key - do other keys not work sometimes?  Or other NVDA commands?

And just in case anyone isn't aware, on a laptop, to get NVDA to read the battery status, press NVDA+shift+b

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Melissa Galbraith <wvflutist@...> wrote:
I'm trying to get the battery usage spoken, but can't.  Why does the NVDA key sometimes not work?


Melissa







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simple comands

Melissa G <wvflutist@...>
 

I'm trying to get the battery usage spoken, but can't. Why does the NVDA key sometimes not work?


Melissa

Re: NVDA and Fractions

Quentin Christensen
 

I expect whoever was designing the lock screen, looked at their mock up with the time written in whatever font it's in, came across the ratio character and visually liked the placement of it a little bit better - it never occurred to them that anyone would do anything other than visually look at that screen.  Definitely odd that it was allowed though.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Quentin,

        Thanks.  I agree that it's bizarre that Microsoft decided to use the ratio symbol in time.  It actually looks like a colon set slightly lower than center, but it's not something I would ever have thought of, nor thought it was not a colon, until you mentioned this.

         I also confirmed that my regular expression and replacement make NVDA stop saying "ratio" as part of time (at least when I have it written out in a MS-Word document using the ratio symbol as the separator).  But since AM and PM are read as on would expect one can simplify the regular expression to:

([1]*[0-9]+)(.)([0-5]{1}[0-9]{1}) ([a,A,p,P][m,M])

and the replacement expression to:  \1 \3 \4

since there's no need to separate the A or P from the M to get things announced as one would expect.

It's been some years since I had to use regular expressions with any regularity but they're somewhat like riding a bicycle in that once you've done that you can pick it up again pretty much anytime later on.

 
-- 
Brian

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    ~ Lauren Bacall

    





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Re: NVDA and Fractions

 

Quentin,

        Thanks.  I agree that it's bizarre that Microsoft decided to use the ratio symbol in time.  It actually looks like a colon set slightly lower than center, but it's not something I would ever have thought of, nor thought it was not a colon, until you mentioned this.

         I also confirmed that my regular expression and replacement make NVDA stop saying "ratio" as part of time (at least when I have it written out in a MS-Word document using the ratio symbol as the separator).  But since AM and PM are read as on would expect one can simplify the regular expression to:

([1]*[0-9]+)(.)([0-5]{1}[0-9]{1}) ([a,A,p,P][m,M])

and the replacement expression to:  \1 \3 \4

since there's no need to separate the A or P from the M to get things announced as one would expect.

It's been some years since I had to use regular expressions with any regularity but they're somewhat like riding a bicycle in that once you've done that you can pick it up again pretty much anytime later on.

 
-- 
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

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Re: NVDA and Fractions

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Brian,

This is the character

Visually, it looks very similar to a regular colon : - to be honest, I don't really understand why there is a character devoted to it when visually 99% of people would never know the difference.  In fact though, used properly, it is the kind of character that could be beneficial to screen reader users - as the synthesizer or screen reader then doesn't need to try and ascertain the context of two dots on top of each other to work out whether it is a colon or a ratio.  As we've seen in the case of the time on the Windows lock screen however, if you give people the option to mess something up....

Here's a page with all the characteristics of the ratio symbol: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2236/index.htm

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Quentin,

            Are you able to snag the ratio character you refer to and send it to me via e-mail?

            In any case, the following regular expression should catch the time as shown by Microsoft no matter what the character used between the hour and the minute:

                        ([1]*[0-9]+)(.)([0-5]{1}[0-9]{1}) ([a,A,p,P])([m,M])

and use the following replace string to get it pronounced correctly (note, I am going to presume that the backslash is used as the match string notation, if you regular expression interpreter uses the dollar sign substitute it where I have a backslash):

                        \1 \3 \4 \5


this would take the string "6:37 PM" and break it up as "6 37 P M" for the synthesizer.
--
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Re: NVDA and Fractions

 

Quentin,

            Are you able to snag the ratio character you refer to and send it to me via e-mail?

            In any case, the following regular expression should catch the time as shown by Microsoft no matter what the character used between the hour and the minute:

                        ([1]*[0-9]+)(.)([0-5]{1}[0-9]{1}) ([a,A,p,P])([m,M])

and use the following replace string to get it pronounced correctly (note, I am going to presume that the backslash is used as the match string notation, if you regular expression interpreter uses the dollar sign substitute it where I have a backslash):

                        \1 \3 \4 \5


this would take the string "6:37 PM" and break it up as "6 37 P M" for the synthesizer.
--
Brian

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    ~ Lauren Bacall

    


Re: i've a problem with webvisum

Marco Oros
 

OK, I've tried this link, what did You've posted and It works.
But, why this happened?
Marco

Re: i've a problem with webvisum

Marco Oros
 

Yes, but It means, that old version of webvisum doesn't work with current Firefox.
I tried this new version.

Re: NVDA and Fractions

Quentin Christensen
 

Looks like Brian sorted out the cup issue, but I can answer the one ratio 48 thing on Windows startup.  Normally a clock would be displayed as 1:48, that is 1 colon 48.  Ratios are written very similarly - I always thought it was the same symbol, so computer monitors are often 16:9 which is for every 16 pixels they are wide, they are 9 high.  It turns out there is a "ratio" symbol, which looks exactly like a colon, only set slightly higher.  For reasons known only to Microsoft, they chose to use that symbol to display the clock on the Windows lock screen.  I've raised it with them, but really the best way to influence change (on this or other issues) is for as many people to be heard as possible and also write to them - either to @msftenable on twitter, the disability answer desk, or accessibility feedback page: https://microsoftaccessibility.uservoice.com/forums/307429-microsoft-accessibility-feedback

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 4:50 AM, John Sanfilippo <johnsanfilippo@...> wrote:
Hi,

I have no solution, but do also experience this and similar odd "super
interpretations" which are annoying.

I'm not sure if the problem is with NVDA or with the chosen speech
synth. For instance, I'm using Microsoft's SAPI5, David.

O, and when my Mac boots in win10 the logon voice is e-speak. It says
"one ratio 48" instead of "thirteen 48" or "one 48 PM".

John S




On 10/17/16 13:30, Brian Vogel wrote:
> Hello All,
>
>          On the JFW group a thread has started entitled, How to insert a
> 1-digit fraction into a 2013 word document
> <https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/topic/how_to_insert_a_1_digit/2911704?p=,,,100,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,100,2,0,2911704>
>
>           I started playing with NVDA and Window-Eyes to see how they'd
> handle three-character fraction designations versus single vulgar
> fraction characters for vulgar fractions other than one fourth, one
> half, and three quarters.  With NVDA I've run into an interesting issue
> that I cannot seem to fix in the context of writing something incredibly
> common:  a recipe.   Virtually any recipe you name might contain a
> fraction of a cup of something.  When I use one slash three for one
> third, or two slash three for two thirds, the word cup that follows it
> is consistently announced as Cuban Pesos, not cup.  This is not true
> when I use a vulgar fraction character ahead of the word cup, and NVDA
> does what I consider the more natural thing and doesn't announce
> "vulgar" or "vulgar fraction" followed by one third or two thirds, but
> just says the fractional amount and the word cup gets said as cup.
>
>           I have tried tweaking the default and voice dictionaries, but
> must be doing something wrong.  The pattern I'm using is the word cup,
> and the replacement is the word cup, and I make sure that it's set for
> whole word only.  Even after doing this I still get "Cuban pesos" after
> the three-character version of a vulgar fraction.  I have exited NVDA
> and restarted it and it makes no difference.
>
>           I either don't have the format down correctly for what I need
> to put in for the dictionary, have the wrong dictionary, or there's some
> sort of bug here as I can't imagine "Cuban pesos" to be something you'd
> want said for "cup" except in the very rarest of circumstances.
>
>           Can anyone help me out here?
> --
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>
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>
>
>
>
>






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Re: i've a problem with webvisum

P. Otter
 

yes, that's correct, but the new webvisum add-on from firefox seems to be the problem.
when i remove the new version cames from firefox and i reinstall the old version that was mentioned before, the problem was solved.
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] i've a problem with webvisum


No I am having the same thing to.
I did go to webvisum.com and logged in just fine so the site is still up.



On 18/10/2016 2:12 a.m., P. Otter wrote:
hello all, i've a problem with webvisum.
the username is correct, and also the password but webvisum add-on comes with the message server connection error.
is this only in my situation or are there more who has problems with webvisum?
if so, i have to wait until there is a solution, if not, i have to try to solve the problem on my computer.
cheers
paul otter

Re: NVDA and Fractions

Gene
 

It sounds like a synthesizer issue.  Cup is read properly by synthesizers I've used.  I would expect the speech dictionary to cause it to be spoken correctly but your message appears to indicate that it isn't.  You might try the synthesizer dictionary instead of the default.  For unknown reasons, I can't change how something is spoken at times with the default dictionary but the change is honored if I use the synthesizer dictionary.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Fractions

John,

           I'm using Microsoft SAPI5 David as well.  I hadn't thought about changing synthesizers but there had still ought to be a way to force an exception such that anytime the whole word "cup" is seen, which requires a white space character before the C and after the P, it's pronounced as "cup" because that's what I want it to be pronounced as.  I thought that was the whole idea behind the dictionaries.  There are lots of people who work with jargon of various sorts who want to force certain abbreviations to be read as though they're the whole word, and the like.  There has got to be a way to tell NVDA to tell whatever gets passed "cup" that it's always cup, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what!

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Brian

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