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Re: NVDA Startup

Brian's Mail list account
 

If you have installed it, and answered the questions about starting on
start-up, then it should work. I am aware that on some machines it can take a
significant time, and if the sound drivers do not load first, then nvda
seems to not speak, since the log shows it has found no sound device.
It does not depend on the desktop shortcut to run, but inserts itself into
the windows start up queue.
Do you hear anything working sound wise?. I guess you might wish to launch
a portable copy after start up and see whether it works. I assume it does
from your comment. So if you shut down the portable copy and use the
keyboard shortcut to start the installed one, does it give the rising tones
etc and other sounds, and then just not speak?.
This indicates it did not find the hardware on start up at windows start up
and set it to silence.

So I really cannot think of any other reason not mentioned already in this
thread.
Brian

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From: "Luke Davis" <luke@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Startup


Howard Traxler wrote:

Thanks Gene, trying to start NVDA from the start menu simply shuts down the running portable version and stops without ...
We need to see what is failing when you attempt to start NVDA.

Try to start it, as Gene suggested, then, when it fails, attach the file at %temp%\nvda.log to an email to me directly (luke@...). You're not able to send it to the list directly, or I'd just suggest you do that.

Luke




Re: NVDA Startup

Luke Davis
 

Howard Traxler wrote:

Thanks Gene, trying to start NVDA from the start menu simply shuts down the running portable version and stops without ...
We need to see what is failing when you attempt to start NVDA.

Try to start it, as Gene suggested, then, when it fails, attach the file at %temp%\nvda.log to an email to me directly (luke@...). You're not able to send it to the list directly, or I'd just suggest you do that.

Luke


Re: NVDA Startup

Sean Budd (NV Access)
 

Your desktop shortcut is for an installed copy of NVDA.

If you are trying to run a portable version, that shortcut will not work.

Do you have NVDA installed?


Re: NVDA Startup

Gene
 

I'm not sure what the problem is.  I think the first thing to do is to uninstall, then reinstall the program.

Gene

On 8/12/2022 12:20 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:

Thanks Gene, trying to start NVDA from the start menu simply shuts down the running portable version and stops without ...


Have to run the portable version again.


On 8/12/2022 12:09 AM, Gene wrote:
Try running it using the start menu.  Open the start menu, type nvda and if necessary, up and down arrow to the program, then press enter

You can test in that way if the program can run.

Gene

On 8/11/2022 11:58 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
After installation, NVDA won't start.  Wondering, does starting depend on the desktop shortcut?  If so, I don't understand the command shown in the shortcut properties:


C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r


Maybe by changing this start command I can make it start normally?


Your thoughts?  Thanks.


Howard










Re: NVDA Startup

Howard Traxler
 

Thanks Gene, trying to start NVDA from the start menu simply shuts down the running portable version and stops without ...


Have to run the portable version again.


On 8/12/2022 12:09 AM, Gene wrote:

Try running it using the start menu.  Open the start menu, type nvda and if necessary, up and down arrow to the program, then press enter

You can test in that way if the program can run.

Gene

On 8/11/2022 11:58 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
After installation, NVDA won't start.  Wondering, does starting depend on the desktop shortcut?  If so, I don't understand the command shown in the shortcut properties:


C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r


Maybe by changing this start command I can make it start normally?


Your thoughts?  Thanks.


Howard









Re: NVDA Startup

Gene
 

Try running it using the start menu.  Open the start menu, type nvda and if necessary, up and down arrow to the program, then press enter

You can test in that way if the program can run.

Gene

On 8/11/2022 11:58 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

After installation, NVDA won't start.  Wondering, does starting depend on the desktop shortcut?  If so, I don't understand the command shown in the shortcut properties:


C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r


Maybe by changing this start command I can make it start normally?


Your thoughts?  Thanks.


Howard









NVDA Startup

Howard Traxler
 

After installation, NVDA won't start.  Wondering, does starting depend on the desktop shortcut?  If so, I don't understand the command shown in the shortcut properties:


C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r


Maybe by changing this start command I can make it start normally?


Your thoughts?  Thanks.


Howard


Re: Input Methods for Simplified Mandarin from Pinyin

Clement Chou
 

The pinyin method is actually the method I use. It works this way when
using NVDA:
type the string you want, nihao for example, to say hello.
When the list of homophones comes up, use the arrow keys to move
between choices for that string.
Use object navigation to find out which character is in which
description. Press numpad 2 twice to get a description. this of course
requires you to learn a bit more about which character means, and
enough mandarin to learn the descriptions. Use numpad 1 and 3 to move
to the previous or next characters, respectively. Hope this helps.

Clement

On 8/11/22, lutztiger.luigi@... <lutztiger.luigi@...> wrote:
Dear list,



I'm part of an intensive Mandarin course in Germany at the moment. In about
a week it will be mandatory for me being able to write simplified
characters
on a laptop (Windows 10, NVDA 2021.4, using IBM-TTS).



Many sighted people use a Pinyin based input method in which they type in
the pinyin and are shown homophone characters of which they visually select
the right one. Obviously, this method isn't exactly accessible.


How do blind NVDA-users input simplified chinese characters? I've tried the
Microsoft Bopomofo keyboard (part of traditional Chinese language packs,
but
allows simplified output), but I didn't figure out how to distinguish
between homophones so far.



I'm glad for any help!



Best

Almaric







Input Methods for Simplified Mandarin from Pinyin

lutztiger.luigi@...
 

Dear list,

 

I’m part of an intensive Mandarin course in Germany at the moment. In about a week it will be mandatory for me being able to write simplified characters on a laptop (Windows 10, NVDA 2021.4, using IBM-TTS).

 

Many sighted people use a Pinyin based input method in which they type in the pinyin and are shown homophone characters of which they visually select the right one. Obviously, this method isn’t exactly accessible.


How do blind NVDA-users input simplified chinese characters? I’ve tried the Microsoft Bopomofo keyboard (part of traditional Chinese language packs, but allows simplified output), but I didn’t figure out how to distinguish between homophones so far.

 

I’m glad for any help!

 

Best

Almaric


Re: inserted advertising

 

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 01:18 PM, William James wrote:
I highly recommend uBlock Origin. I never surf without it.
-
Great minds think alike!  I can't count the number of times I have recommended that folks install uBlock Origin.

I lose my mind with the visual distraction that characterizes web ads - video, blinking, scrolling, etc.  But I'd also lose my mind as a screen reader user just landing on these things and having to navigate around them on a constant basis.

uBlock Origin, Adblock Plus, or the use of an ad-blocking browser banishes them.
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Re: inserted advertising

William James
 

I highly recommend uBlock Origin. I never surf without it.



Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

On Aug 11, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote:

I found that reader mode doesn’t always strip out all of these ads, and as others have noted, reader mode isn’t even a readily available option in chrome, though it can be accessed. I find that hitting comma usually gets me out of ad frames. Sometimes there will be a couple frames stacked on top of one another, so you might have to hit, comma a couple times. It’s annoying. Going into old timer mode here for a minute, I remember in the 90s before the Internet was completely monetized and corporatized. The good old days…

On Aug 7, 2022, at 7:46 AM, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:

On many websites, on lots of lines NVDA says

inserted advertising inserted inserted

This information doesn't seem to be on screen so it's probably a function of NVDA. I'm sure it's something I can turn off if I knew how or where. Can someone give me a hand with this one?


Thank you

Howard or <HT>










Re: inserted advertising

Luke Robinett
 

I found that reader mode doesn’t always strip out all of these ads, and as others have noted, reader mode isn’t even a readily available option in chrome, though it can be accessed. I find that hitting comma usually gets me out of ad frames. Sometimes there will be a couple frames stacked on top of one another, so you might have to hit, comma a couple times. It’s annoying. Going into old timer mode here for a minute, I remember in the 90s before the Internet was completely monetized and corporatized. The good old days…

On Aug 7, 2022, at 7:46 AM, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:

On many websites, on lots of lines NVDA says

inserted advertising inserted inserted

This information doesn't seem to be on screen so it's probably a function of NVDA. I'm sure it's something I can turn off if I knew how or where. Can someone give me a hand with this one?


Thank you

Howard or <HT>







Re: nvda and password fields

Luke Robinett
 

I use Google’s password manager and it works great

On Aug 9, 2022, at 3:16 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I will be the next person who discourages, strongly discourages, ever having one's passwords echoed while being entered.  When there was once talk of this becoming a setting I railed against it.

If either memory, typing, or both are an issue then it is far better to use a password manager that will enter it for you or where you can copy and paste the entire password.
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Re: New version of tesseractOCR

Ravindran V.S.
 

Hi Dave,

Can you explain this please?
Do you mean that the default search engine should be changed to duckduckgo?
Ravi.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New version of tesseractOCR

That should be duckduckgo for the search engine.

Dave


On 8/11/2022 10:02 AM, Ravindran V.S. wrote:
Hi,
Where do we find the multipage option?
The new option I noticed under the settings is the Password.
Thanks,
Ravi.
V.S.Ravindran.
Excuses leads to failure!””

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 11:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New version of tesseractOCR

thank you very much mam. i will install and test.

On 09/08/2022, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Hello!


One more version of tesseractOCR add-on!


This time the new feature is the multi-page scanning!


Direct link:

https://github.com/ruifontes/tesseractOCR/releases/download/2022.08/t
e
sseractOCR-2022.08.nvda-addon


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team








Re: New version of tesseractOCR

Ravindran V.S.
 

Also, the beep tone while scanning has seems to be disappeared now.
Any reasons for this?
Ravi.
V.S.Ravindran.
Excuses leads to failure!””

-----Original Message-----
From: Ravindran V.S. <Ravivssl@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 7:32 PM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] New version of tesseractOCR

Hi,
Where do we find the multipage option?
The new option I noticed under the settings is the Password.
Thanks,
Ravi.
V.S.Ravindran.
Excuses leads to failure!””

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 11:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New version of tesseractOCR

thank you very much mam. i will install and test.

On 09/08/2022, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Hello!


One more version of tesseractOCR add-on!


This time the new feature is the multi-page scanning!


Direct link:

https://github.com/ruifontes/tesseractOCR/releases/download/2022.08/te
sseractOCR-2022.08.nvda-addon


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team








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Re: New version of tesseractOCR

Dave Grossoehme
 

That should be duckduckgo for the search engine.

Dave

On 8/11/2022 10:02 AM, Ravindran V.S. wrote:
Hi,
Where do we find the multipage option?
The new option I noticed under the settings is the Password.
Thanks,
Ravi.
V.S.Ravindran.
Excuses leads to failure!””

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 11:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New version of tesseractOCR

thank you very much mam. i will install and test.

On 09/08/2022, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Hello!


One more version of tesseractOCR add-on!


This time the new feature is the multi-page scanning!


Direct link:

https://github.com/ruifontes/tesseractOCR/releases/download/2022.08/te
sseractOCR-2022.08.nvda-addon


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team








Re: New version of tesseractOCR

Ravindran V.S.
 

Hi,
Where do we find the multipage option?
The new option I noticed under the settings is the Password.
Thanks,
Ravi.
V.S.Ravindran.
Excuses leads to failure!””

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 11:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New version of tesseractOCR

thank you very much mam. i will install and test.

On 09/08/2022, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Hello!


One more version of tesseractOCR add-on!


This time the new feature is the multi-page scanning!


Direct link:

https://github.com/ruifontes/tesseractOCR/releases/download/2022.08/te
sseractOCR-2022.08.nvda-addon


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team








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Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Curtis Delzer
 

no I hadn't said a thing about any of that, so probably doesn't fit. sorry.

On 8/10/2022 7:36 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
and Curtis,

you are probably one of those who complains about too many message and too high a traffic on lists you are on.  I never complain about this because of my tried and true method of filtering/grouping. Let 'em come; if I am interested they get read and if I'm not they go bye bye!

On 8/10/2022 12:05 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

they updated so status bar you can under the view menu enable or disable. 102.1.2.

On 8/6/2022 7:59 PM, Gene wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to update.  The status bar is still read when using JAWS.  Whether Thunderbird or NVDA should correct the situation is something I'll leave to the two sets of developers.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.


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Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Curtis Delzer
 

 when I am looking at the messages list says "You are currently on-line." from within reading mail it says "no status bar."does in t-bird 102.1.2.


On 8/10/2022 6:44 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't use it much but it tells you things like the number of unread messages in the folder you are in and the total number of messages in a folder.  It also tells you if you are online or not.

You can get the information about the number of unread messages by moving to the tree view, at which time the number of unread messages in the folder is announced along with a little other information.
You can hear the total number of messages in a folder by being in the message list and moving to a message and letting the information read.  As in other standard lists, the last information will be information like 5 of 20, in other words where you are in the list and the number of items.  The status line gives you those pieces of information more quickly and efficiently but you can get them other ways.

Gene

On 8/10/2022 8:02 AM, brice Mijares wrote:

What is the importance of a status bar in TB?

On 8/10/2022 5:59 AM, Gene wrote:
No.  The issue now and in perhaps more than one earlier version is that when you issue the read status line command, NVDA key end, it isn't read and the announcement no status line information found, or something very similar is spoken.

Gene

On 8/10/2022 1:16 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

Hi, was saying I can disable it or enable it, I thought that was the issue in the earlier t-bird.

On 8/9/2022 9:46 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you saying the read status line command reads it and when does it read it, when it is checked or unchecked.  It shouldn't be shown if it is unchecked and it shouldn't be read.

Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:43 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

I get the message "unchecked."

On 8/9/2022 9:31 PM, Gene wrote:
If yew mean in the tool bars submenu of the view menu, it is checked by default and when I read the status bar, I get the message no status bar information.

Gene

On 8/9/2022 11:22 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

but, that is what I am using, NVDA, and it is enabled in latest t-bird.


On 8/9/2022 9:12 PM, Gene wrote:
I tried both and it isn't read using NVDA.

Gene

On 8/9/2022 11:05 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

they updated so status bar you can under the view menu enable or disable. 102.1.2.

On 8/6/2022 7:59 PM, Gene wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to update.  The status bar is still read when using JAWS.  Whether Thunderbird or NVDA should correct the situation is something I'll leave to the two sets of developers.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.


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Re: Can we use SPSS and NVIVO with NVDA?

Chris Maae
 

Hi,

When I used SPSS I found the experience both with Jaws and NVDA to be horrible. I was able to perform the basic important tasks such as reading the p values for whatever test you had to run such as Z test, but I had to get sighted assistance to simply get Jaws to read the two views after some work that the assistive technology instructor at my university did on their end. I will see if I can find the instructions on how to set up SPSS to work with Jaws because that is the only program that worked with SPSS. In closing my advice would be to work with your professor and explain that this software is nearly inaccessible with my screen reader. I wish you the best.

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