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Re: NVDA and natural voices

Şenolcan HANCI
 

As far as İ see long pouse isn’t exist in narrator so İ don’t have that problem in narrator

 

Windows için Posta ile gönderildi

 

Kimden: Gene
Gönderilme: 23 Eylül 2022 Cuma 06:39
Kime: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Konu: Re: [nvda] NVDA and natural voices

 

The person doing the video keeps repeating how natural the voices sound, as though a natural sounding voice in and of itself is an extraordinary achievement.  We've had natural sounding voices for a long time.  Having natural sounding voices is common these days.  Its other characteristics of a lot of these voices that cause me to dislike them. 

If the behavior of the voices using Edge is what you get when using them in Windows 11, they currently have characteristics that would lead me to not use the voices. 

By far the most important one is the ridiculously long pauses at the ends of sentences. 
If this occurs in Narrator and not just in Edge, those long, long pauses are maddening to the point where I wouldn't consider using the voices as long as the pauses can't be adjusted by the user and greatly shortened. 

Also, inflection is too high and there is a slight sing-songy quality to the inflection. 

The voices may be quite good if these defects are eliminated. 

Do these problems exist when using the voices with Narrator?  Those interested in using these voices, if these problems exist when using Narrator, and if you object to them, may wish to contact Microsoft about them.

Gene

On 9/22/2022 10:12 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

This youtube video let's you hear at least a little of the voices, I didn't listen to all of it so I don't know if more samples are provided later.  But the really important thing is that it tells you how to hear them on any system using Edge. 

You can have material more than just a short sample spoken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdQitJEuyug

Gene
Gene

On 9/22/2022 8:30 PM, Şenolcan HANCI wrote:

Hello friends. As you know with Windows 11 22h2 new natural voices are available, although for english USA for now. İ have a question. To see these voices in NVDA, does Microsoft or NVDA developers should take a step and can we do something for this

 

Windows için Posta ile gönderildi

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and natural voices

David Goldfield
 

Gene,

When using these voices in Narrator you definitely don’t have unnatural pauses at the end of each sentence. I understand your point of view in that we’ve had many human sounding voices for quite some time but, to me, human sounding doesn’t always mean that they sound natural. Some of the Nuance voices, while they sound human, have a quality about them that sounds unnatural and electronic and that odd nonhuman aspect isn’t as noticeable with these new voices. Then again, that’s just my perception and as I’m sure you’d agree a voice that may sound fabulous to my ear might sound jarring or problematic to yours.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2022 11:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and natural voices

 

The person doing the video keeps repeating how natural the voices sound, as though a natural sounding voice in and of itself is an extraordinary achievement.  We've had natural sounding voices for a long time.  Having natural sounding voices is common these days.  Its other characteristics of a lot of these voices that cause me to dislike them. 

If the behavior of the voices using Edge is what you get when using them in Windows 11, they currently have characteristics that would lead me to not use the voices. 

By far the most important one is the ridiculously long pauses at the ends of sentences. 
If this occurs in Narrator and not just in Edge, those long, long pauses are maddening to the point where I wouldn't consider using the voices as long as the pauses can't be adjusted by the user and greatly shortened. 

Also, inflection is too high and there is a slight sing-songy quality to the inflection. 

The voices may be quite good if these defects are eliminated. 

Do these problems exist when using the voices with Narrator?  Those interested in using these voices, if these problems exist when using Narrator, and if you object to them, may wish to contact Microsoft about them.

Gene

On 9/22/2022 10:12 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

This youtube video let's you hear at least a little of the voices, I didn't listen to all of it so I don't know if more samples are provided later.  But the really important thing is that it tells you how to hear them on any system using Edge. 

You can have material more than just a short sample spoken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdQitJEuyug

Gene
Gene

On 9/22/2022 8:30 PM, Şenolcan HANCI wrote:

Hello friends. As you know with Windows 11 22h2 new natural voices are available, although for english USA for now. İ have a question. To see these voices in NVDA, does Microsoft or NVDA developers should take a step and can we do something for this

 

Windows için Posta ile gönderildi

 

 

 


Google sheets not showing field on Mantis braille display?

John Sanfilippo
 

Hello.


In a Google sheet, as I tab or arrow right or left among fields I hear the field content but the corresponding braille is not displayed on the Mantis q40. The display only shows "Catalog - Google Sheets doc app grp" constantly.


I've tinkered with some NVDA Doc formatting and Browse mode settings, but no joy.


Help appreciated.



MS Surface Laptop 3, Updated Windows 11, NVDA 2022.2.3, Google Chrome.


John



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Re: NVDA and natural voices

Gene
 

The person doing the video keeps repeating how natural the voices sound, as though a natural sounding voice in and of itself is an extraordinary achievement.  We've had natural sounding voices for a long time.  Having natural sounding voices is common these days.  Its other characteristics of a lot of these voices that cause me to dislike them. 

If the behavior of the voices using Edge is what you get when using them in Windows 11, they currently have characteristics that would lead me to not use the voices. 

By far the most important one is the ridiculously long pauses at the ends of sentences. 
If this occurs in Narrator and not just in Edge, those long, long pauses are maddening to the point where I wouldn't consider using the voices as long as the pauses can't be adjusted by the user and greatly shortened. 

Also, inflection is too high and there is a slight sing-songy quality to the inflection. 

The voices may be quite good if these defects are eliminated. 

Do these problems exist when using the voices with Narrator?  Those interested in using these voices, if these problems exist when using Narrator, and if you object to them, may wish to contact Microsoft about them.

Gene
On 9/22/2022 10:12 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

This youtube video let's you hear at least a little of the voices, I didn't listen to all of it so I don't know if more samples are provided later.  But the really important thing is that it tells you how to hear them on any system using Edge. 

You can have material more than just a short sample spoken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdQitJEuyug

Gene
Gene

On 9/22/2022 8:30 PM, Şenolcan HANCI wrote:

Hello friends. As you know with Windows 11 22h2 new natural voices are available, although for english USA for now. İ have a question. To see these voices in NVDA, does Microsoft or NVDA developers should take a step and can we do something for this

 

Windows için Posta ile gönderildi

 




Re: NVDA and natural voices

Gene
 

This youtube video let's you hear at least a little of the voices, I didn't listen to all of it so I don't know if more samples are provided later.  But the really important thing is that it tells you how to hear them on any system using Edge. 

You can have material more than just a short sample spoken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdQitJEuyug

Gene
Gene

On 9/22/2022 8:30 PM, Şenolcan HANCI wrote:

Hello friends. As you know with Windows 11 22h2 new natural voices are available, although for english USA for now. İ have a question. To see these voices in NVDA, does Microsoft or NVDA developers should take a step and can we do something for this

 

Windows için Posta ile gönderildi

 



Re: move NVDA settings to new computer

Gene
 

I believe it will transfer all add-ons. 

Whether the add-on will have to be authorized, I don't know.  Since you are placing the add-on in a copy you will use portably, and it is a product you pay for, you may have to authorize it in the portable copy.

Open tools and press enter on create portable copy. 
A dialog will open.
Tab around the dialog and you will find a check box that says something like use current user configuration.  Check it with the space bar, then continue to create the portable copy.
Set up a folder with nothing in it before you begin to create the portable copy and use it during creation.  If you don't, the files will be splattered all over whatever already used folder you select.  The portable installation should automatically make its own folder at whatever location you are using, as happens when you unzip a file, but it doesn't.

Gene
On 9/22/2022 6:15 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 07:08 PM, Don H wrote:
Will this properly install addons such as the code factory vocalizer addon? Wasn't there a way to move the settings from a portable copy made from the old computer?
-
I don't know the answer to your first question, because I don't know what Code Factory's licensing scheme is and what it checks (or doesn't) in relation to the computer on which it's running.  I can say it will copy the add-on over in its entirety, but that doesn't mean that it will work.  Someone else will have to answer this, as I don't own it.

Sarah has already referenced the ability to make a portable copy of NVDA, including your add-ons when you do so, then using that portable copy as as the install media on your new computer.  I believe I recall when you do that it will ask you if you wish to copy the profile/settings/configuration associated with the portable copy to the new installation, but I haven't done this in ages.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt



Re: The Inside Story of NVDA: introduction and overall goals and mindset #NVDA_Internals

Pranav Lal
 

Joseph,

 

You may want to put these stories on the web perhaps on a wiki on the nvaccess github repository. E-mail works too but tends to get lost.

 

Pranav


Re: Duxbury braille translator and NVDA: any addon or anyone have successfully use this software fully with NVDA?

mike mcglashon
 

You are absolutely right it’s not that bad,
It’s absolutely horrible.



On Sep 22, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:



UEB isn’t that bad, and that’s coming from a 46 year-old who started learning Grade 2 Braille right from age 5.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: September 22, 2022 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Duxbury braille translator and NVDA: any addon or anyone have successfully use this software fully with NVDA?

 

I have successfully used Duxbury with NVDA; but it was an older version of Duxbury.  That  was before they made us switch to this new, nasty Braille code.

 

 

On 9/22/2022 11:57 AM, Robert Cole via groups.io wrote:

Have you tried NVDA with

Braille Blaster?

Maybe it will do what you need.

 



On Sep 22, 2022, at 12:13 AM, amir din <mrdin8877@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

I am going to purchase this software, Duxbury braille translator (dbt). I know with jaws there is the script for dbt. However, as far as I know, no addon for NVDA. So, in case this is still correct, anyone here have successfully use this software with NVDA and enjoy using it? Meaning can use all features of this software even without addons.

For example, when dealing with formatting, reading braille codes and so on

Any feedback and comments are appreciated.

thanks

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 


Re: NVDA and natural voices

David Goldfield
 

When Jeff Bishop from Microsoft was a panelist at the 2022 ACB convention I did ask if the new natural voices might become available for third party screen readers. He said that they were only available for Narrator and I knew that attempting to try to get more information out of him by asking follow-up questions would probably be fruitless. This doesn’t mean we’ll never see them for other screen readers but it’s pretty clear to me that Microsoft has no immediate plans for this.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Senolcan HANCI
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2022 9:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Integration <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and natural voices

 

Hello friends. As you know with Windows 11 22h2 new natural voices are available, although for english USA for now. İ have a question. To see these voices in NVDA, does Microsoft or NVDA developers should take a step and can we do something for this

 

Windows için Posta ile gönderildi

 


NVDA and natural voices

Şenolcan HANCI
 

Hello friends. As you know with Windows 11 22h2 new natural voices are available, although for english USA for now. İ have a question. To see these voices in NVDA, does Microsoft or NVDA developers should take a step and can we do something for this

 

Windows için Posta ile gönderildi

 


Re: How to Use Easy Table Navigator Add-on

 

Hi,

I keep my name there for historical reasons and to remind myself and others that I had a part in the history of that add-on.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Duxbury braille translator and NVDA: any addon or anyone have successfully use this software fully with NVDA?

JM Casey
 

You should be able to use different braile codes/tables with Duxbury.

Never used with NVDA but used to run it with JAWS at an old job. There was some pretty heavy scripting going on there behind the scenes. Not sure who was responsible for that but I think they were themselves part of the Duxbury package.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: September 22, 2022 07:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Duxbury braille translator and NVDA: any addon or anyone have successfully use this software fully with NVDA?

 

I have successfully used Duxbury with NVDA; but it was an older version of Duxbury.  That  was before they made us switch to this new, nasty Braille code.

 

 

On 9/22/2022 11:57 AM, Robert Cole via groups.io wrote:

Have you tried NVDA with

Braille Blaster?

Maybe it will do what you need.

 



On Sep 22, 2022, at 12:13 AM, amir din <mrdin8877@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

I am going to purchase this software, Duxbury braille translator (dbt). I know with jaws there is the script for dbt. However, as far as I know, no addon for NVDA. So, in case this is still correct, anyone here have successfully use this software with NVDA and enjoy using it? Meaning can use all features of this software even without addons.

For example, when dealing with formatting, reading braille codes and so on

Any feedback and comments are appreciated.

thanks

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 


Re: Duxbury braille translator and NVDA: any addon or anyone have successfully use this software fully with NVDA?

Chris Smart
 

UEB isn’t that bad, and that’s coming from a 46 year-old who started learning Grade 2 Braille right from age 5.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: September 22, 2022 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Duxbury braille translator and NVDA: any addon or anyone have successfully use this software fully with NVDA?

 

I have successfully used Duxbury with NVDA; but it was an older version of Duxbury.  That  was before they made us switch to this new, nasty Braille code.

 

 

On 9/22/2022 11:57 AM, Robert Cole via groups.io wrote:

Have you tried NVDA with

Braille Blaster?

Maybe it will do what you need.

 



On Sep 22, 2022, at 12:13 AM, amir din <mrdin8877@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

I am going to purchase this software, Duxbury braille translator (dbt). I know with jaws there is the script for dbt. However, as far as I know, no addon for NVDA. So, in case this is still correct, anyone here have successfully use this software with NVDA and enjoy using it? Meaning can use all features of this software even without addons.

For example, when dealing with formatting, reading braille codes and so on

Any feedback and comments are appreciated.

thanks

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 


Re: How to Use Easy Table Navigator Add-on

 

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 05:09 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
At the moment Easy Table Navigator is maintained by another person (I let that add-on go a while ago to reduce development workload).
-
Joseph,

I knew you were one of the original developers, and also knew that you'd "passed the torch."  You should know that on the Community Add-Ons Page the Authors of Easy Table Navigator are still showing as:  Corentin Bacqué-Cazenave, Joseph Lee

Even though I know you are, indeed, an author of this code, I consider the "authors" field on that page to mean "maintainers" once the torch has been passed, so I don't know whether you intend to remain listed or not.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt


Re: Duxbury braille translator and NVDA: any addon or anyone have successfully use this software fully with NVDA?

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I use duxbury with NVDA but am not able to read the files. I am very thankful to have a Braille notetaker to proof the files on. Duxbury would love for NVDA to have something to work with it but have said it has not happened yet.



On 9/22/2022 7:04 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

I have successfully used Duxbury with NVDA; but it was an older version of Duxbury.  That  was before they made us switch to this new, nasty Braille code.



On 9/22/2022 11:57 AM, Robert Cole via groups.io wrote:
Have you tried NVDA with
Braille Blaster?
Maybe it will do what you need.


On Sep 22, 2022, at 12:13 AM, amir din <mrdin8877@...> wrote:

Hi,

I am going to purchase this software, Duxbury braille translator (dbt). I know with jaws there is the script for dbt. However, as far as I know, no addon for NVDA. So, in case this is still correct, anyone here have successfully use this software with NVDA and enjoy using it? Meaning can use all features of this software even without addons.

For example, when dealing with formatting, reading braille codes and so on

Any feedback and comments are appreciated.

thanks

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Re: could nvda announce entries in the Windows 11 emoji panel?

 

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 07:12 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
I think I finally found out what caused the emoji pannel to not work properly on my home desktop. It's down to one of the addons I have, the NVDA global commands extension. After updating it to the latest version the emoji pannel works as expected.
-
This brings up several thoughts:

1.  This is one of the reasons that one of the basic troubleshooting steps for NVDA is restarting with add-ons disabled.  If a misbehavior disappears when you do this you instantly know that the issue lies with an add-on, not NVDA itself.

2. The Add-On Updater add-on, which will eventually be integrated into the NVDA core, is your friend.  At least if the add-ons you use are all obtained from one of the two official repositories. 

3. If you are using "home grown" add-ons that are not a part of one of the two official repositories, you need to keep those up-to-date.  They can and do sometimes screw things up as time goes by.

NVAccess is not responsible for any add-ons beyond the couple that they actually created and maintain (and I can't remember what those are at the moment).  Add-on issues, once identified, need to be communicated to their respective maintainers/owners/creators with requests for a fix.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt


Re: move NVDA settings to new computer

 

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 07:08 PM, Don H wrote:
Will this properly install addons such as the code factory vocalizer addon? Wasn't there a way to move the settings from a portable copy made from the old computer?
-
I don't know the answer to your first question, because I don't know what Code Factory's licensing scheme is and what it checks (or doesn't) in relation to the computer on which it's running.  I can say it will copy the add-on over in its entirety, but that doesn't mean that it will work.  Someone else will have to answer this, as I don't own it.

Sarah has already referenced the ability to make a portable copy of NVDA, including your add-ons when you do so, then using that portable copy as as the install media on your new computer.  I believe I recall when you do that it will ask you if you wish to copy the profile/settings/configuration associated with the portable copy to the new installation, but I haven't done this in ages.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt


Re: could nvda announce entries in the Windows 11 emoji panel?

 

Update to my earlier message: After poking around a bit more on my desktop, I think I finally found out what caused the emoji pannel to not work properly on my home desktop. It's down to one of the addons I have, the NVDA global commands extension. After updating it to the latest version the emoji pannel works as expected.


Re: move NVDA settings to new computer

Don H
 

Will this properly install addons such as the code factory vocalizer addon? Wasn't there a way to move the settings from a portable copy made from the old computer?

On 9/22/2022 5:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
You can also copy the contents of %APPDATA%\nvda from the existing computer and paste them in the corresponding location on the new computer.
%APPDATA% is generally C:\Users\{your user id}\AppData\Roaming unless someone's tweaked Windows' usual configuration.
--
Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.
~ Irving Babbitt


Re: Duxbury braille translator and NVDA: any addon or anyone have successfully use this software fully with NVDA?

Howard Traxler
 

I have successfully used Duxbury with NVDA; but it was an older version of Duxbury.  That  was before they made us switch to this new, nasty Braille code.



On 9/22/2022 11:57 AM, Robert Cole via groups.io wrote:

Have you tried NVDA with
Braille Blaster?
Maybe it will do what you need.


On Sep 22, 2022, at 12:13 AM, amir din <mrdin8877@...> wrote:

Hi,

I am going to purchase this software, Duxbury braille translator (dbt). I know with jaws there is the script for dbt. However, as far as I know, no addon for NVDA. So, in case this is still correct, anyone here have successfully use this software with NVDA and enjoy using it? Meaning can use all features of this software even without addons.

For example, when dealing with formatting, reading braille codes and so on

Any feedback and comments are appreciated.

thanks

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


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