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Re: speech history

Luke Davis
 

The usual one works just fine, use that.

On Thu, 28 May 2020, Margus Ojaots wrote:

Hi. i am planning to update to the newest nvda version. is there a
speech history addon for it? i want to know because i use it often.

speech history

Margus Ojaots
 

Hi. i am planning to update to the newest nvda version. is there a
speech history addon for it? i want to know because i use it often.

Re: Problem while updating NVDA

 

Hello again.

Because Nvda 2019.3.1 and NVDA 2020.1 are not allowing me to update themselves as will as the addons will not be updated if I directly installed nvda 2020.1.

I hope you was able to understood what I meant.

Best regards.

Hasan Tayem.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 9:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem while updating NVDA

 

Thanks Hasan,

 

I will keep an eye out for your email!

 

Ok I am also curious - in order to get to 2020.1 - after uninstalling 2019.3, why did you not simply install 2020.1 rather than installing 2019.1 and updating from there?

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 4:00 PM hasan tayyem <hasan.tayyem1997@...> wrote:

Hello MR. Quentin.

Thanks a lot for your Email, Much appreciated.

Finally, I was able to solve the problem.

I will try to explain what I have done, nevertheless someone is facing it.

Firstly, I have completely removed NVDA from my laptop, I have removed everything, including the registries keys. I recommend you guys to using one of the uninstallation program to helping you removing the registries keys.

Afterwards, I have installed an older version of NVDA, “NVDA 2019.1”.

Finally, you will be freely able to update your NVDA and your addons.

 

Mr. Quentin, Today I am going to send you my previous log of NVDA 2020.1 to the menschened Email, perhaps there are a bugs to be able to fix them.

Best regards.

Hasan Tayem.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 7:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem while updating NVDA

 

Hi Hasan,

 

I have seen an error checking for updates when using a proxy: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8948

 

And another more vague one without an obvious cause: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7834

 

For that second one at least, rebooting the system helped some users.  Brian's suggestion of simply downloading and installing the newest version manually from: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/ should also work.

 

If you'd like to help try to diagnose a bit more before doing that, what would help us is a debug level log of attempting the update.  To do that:

 

"Could you get me a copy of your NVDA log to have a look at please, ideally at debug level?
Please send it attached to an email to info@....  Include a description of what you have done and what isn't working as it should (so I know what it's about in case I don't get to investigate today).

First of all, your NVDA key is either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on how you have NVDA setup.  So, to set your log level:
1) Press NVDA+control+g to open the general settings
2) Press TAB until the focus is on ""Log level""
3) Press DOWN ARROW to get to ""Debug""
4) Press ENTER to close settings
5) Press NVDA+control+c to save settings.

To restart NVDA with add-ons disabled:
1) Press NVDA+Q
2) Down arrow to ""Restart with add-ons disabled""
3) Press ENTER

Next, recreate the issue - check for updates.

To get NVDA's log after that, there are several ways:

If NVDA is still running and usable:
1) Press NVDA+F1 to open the log viewer
2) Press CONTROL+A to select all.
3) Press CONTROL+C to copy.
4) Open your email and start a message to info@..., type a little about what you have done and what has happened in the body of the message, then leave a space and:
5) Press CONTROL+V to paste the copied log.

Instead of using the log viewer, or if NVDA has stopped and you needed to restart it or the computer:
1) Press WINDOWS+R to open Windows' Run dialog
2) Type %temp% and press ENTER (that's the percent sign, the letter t e m p and another percent sign).  Windows Explorer should open to the temporary folder.
3) Press TAB to move to the file list
4) Press N and move down to find up to three files:  nvda.log (the log file for the current or most recent NVDA session), nvda-old.og (the log from the previous session) and nvda-crash.dmp (a crash dump with more information created if NVDA itself crashes).
5) Depending on what email program you use, the steps will be different, but attach as many of those three files to an email to info@... as will be useful, and again in the body of the message describe a bit about what has happened."

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:01 PM hasan tayyem <hasan.tayyem1997@...> wrote:

I have already went there, and I have added NVDA in the advanced firewall, in the inbound and in the Outabounds.

 

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 6:57 AM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:

Hasan, did you get any msgs asking you to allow NVDA thru the
firewall? You may wish to go to windows firewall & just make sure that
NVDA is allowed through.

On 5/27/20, hasan tayyem <hasan.tayyem1997@...> wrote:
> Hello Jackie.
> I am using the Windows defender antivirus by Microsoft.
> And full sure, I am running it as  administrative account. On Thu, May 28,
> 2020 at 6:36 AM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
>
>> Hasan, there's a lot you don't tell us. 1 of the questions I have is
>> what security software are you using, both antivirus & firewall? Also,
>> are you running as an administrator or just using a standard account,
>> as updating NVDA likely won't work then.
>>
>> On 5/27/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>> > Hello Hasan, and welcome.
>> >
>> > In a situation like yours, where you sound like you have a very fresh
>> > Windows 10 installation coupled with a fresh NVDA install, is simply
>> > uninstall NVDA after downloading the NVDA 2020 installer, then
>> > reinstall.
>> >
>> > Others will likely have other suggestions, and you may end up being
>> asked to
>> > supply NVDA logs off-list by those who are able to dig deep under the
>> hood
>> > of NVDA.  Mine is the "quick and dirty" method.
>> >
>> > I have had Add-On Updater get cranky on multiple occasions, but it
>> generally
>> > has resolved itself the next time it determines updates exist and tries
>> > again.  That's usually the next day.
>> > --
>> >
>> > Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
>> >
>> > *Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
>> > platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*
>> >
>> > ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
>> Sentiment
>> > Took Hold in the United States (
>> >
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
>> > ) , September 23, 2019
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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>
>
>
>


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Re: cisco webex conferencing accessibility?

Mohib Anwar Rafay
 

Not much accessible with jaws, I only manage to attend the meetings
through browser though.

On 5/28/20, Brian Moore <bmoore@...> wrote:
It isn't great. you can do it but it isn't a fun experience. Learn the
hot keys.  It is actually slightly better with Jaws than NVDA but not
significantly and it isn't really pleasant with either.

Brian.



Contact me on skype: brian.moore
follow me on twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123

On 5/27/2020 8:46 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Last time I used it which was a couple of years ago it wasn't any
better.  In fact, there were lots of aspects that were not accessible
at all.


Dan Beaver

On 5/27/2020 8:37 PM, Clement Chou wrote:
Asking for a friend who just recently needed to start using this at
work. Has anyone else experienced this particular conferencing
platform? Apparently accessibility with JAWS is patchy at best and I
was wondering if it works any betterwith NVDA. Thoughts? Thanks
everyone!


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Re: Problem while updating NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Hasan,

I will keep an eye out for your email!

Ok I am also curious - in order to get to 2020.1 - after uninstalling 2019.3, why did you not simply install 2020.1 rather than installing 2019.1 and updating from there?

Quentin.

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 4:00 PM hasan tayyem <hasan.tayyem1997@...> wrote:

Hello MR. Quentin.

Thanks a lot for your Email, Much appreciated.

Finally, I was able to solve the problem.

I will try to explain what I have done, nevertheless someone is facing it.

Firstly, I have completely removed NVDA from my laptop, I have removed everything, including the registries keys. I recommend you guys to using one of the uninstallation program to helping you removing the registries keys.

Afterwards, I have installed an older version of NVDA, “NVDA 2019.1”.

Finally, you will be freely able to update your NVDA and your addons.

 

Mr. Quentin, Today I am going to send you my previous log of NVDA 2020.1 to the menschened Email, perhaps there are a bugs to be able to fix them.

Best regards.

Hasan Tayem.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 7:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem while updating NVDA

 

Hi Hasan,

 

I have seen an error checking for updates when using a proxy: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8948

 

And another more vague one without an obvious cause: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7834

 

For that second one at least, rebooting the system helped some users.  Brian's suggestion of simply downloading and installing the newest version manually from: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/ should also work.

 

If you'd like to help try to diagnose a bit more before doing that, what would help us is a debug level log of attempting the update.  To do that:

 

"Could you get me a copy of your NVDA log to have a look at please, ideally at debug level?
Please send it attached to an email to info@....  Include a description of what you have done and what isn't working as it should (so I know what it's about in case I don't get to investigate today).

First of all, your NVDA key is either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on how you have NVDA setup.  So, to set your log level:
1) Press NVDA+control+g to open the general settings
2) Press TAB until the focus is on ""Log level""
3) Press DOWN ARROW to get to ""Debug""
4) Press ENTER to close settings
5) Press NVDA+control+c to save settings.

To restart NVDA with add-ons disabled:
1) Press NVDA+Q
2) Down arrow to ""Restart with add-ons disabled""
3) Press ENTER

Next, recreate the issue - check for updates.

To get NVDA's log after that, there are several ways:

If NVDA is still running and usable:
1) Press NVDA+F1 to open the log viewer
2) Press CONTROL+A to select all.
3) Press CONTROL+C to copy.
4) Open your email and start a message to info@..., type a little about what you have done and what has happened in the body of the message, then leave a space and:
5) Press CONTROL+V to paste the copied log.

Instead of using the log viewer, or if NVDA has stopped and you needed to restart it or the computer:
1) Press WINDOWS+R to open Windows' Run dialog
2) Type %temp% and press ENTER (that's the percent sign, the letter t e m p and another percent sign).  Windows Explorer should open to the temporary folder.
3) Press TAB to move to the file list
4) Press N and move down to find up to three files:  nvda.log (the log file for the current or most recent NVDA session), nvda-old.og (the log from the previous session) and nvda-crash.dmp (a crash dump with more information created if NVDA itself crashes).
5) Depending on what email program you use, the steps will be different, but attach as many of those three files to an email to info@... as will be useful, and again in the body of the message describe a bit about what has happened."

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:01 PM hasan tayyem <hasan.tayyem1997@...> wrote:

I have already went there, and I have added NVDA in the advanced firewall, in the inbound and in the Outabounds.

 

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 6:57 AM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:

Hasan, did you get any msgs asking you to allow NVDA thru the
firewall? You may wish to go to windows firewall & just make sure that
NVDA is allowed through.

On 5/27/20, hasan tayyem <hasan.tayyem1997@...> wrote:
> Hello Jackie.
> I am using the Windows defender antivirus by Microsoft.
> And full sure, I am running it as  administrative account. On Thu, May 28,
> 2020 at 6:36 AM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
>
>> Hasan, there's a lot you don't tell us. 1 of the questions I have is
>> what security software are you using, both antivirus & firewall? Also,
>> are you running as an administrator or just using a standard account,
>> as updating NVDA likely won't work then.
>>
>> On 5/27/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>> > Hello Hasan, and welcome.
>> >
>> > In a situation like yours, where you sound like you have a very fresh
>> > Windows 10 installation coupled with a fresh NVDA install, is simply
>> > uninstall NVDA after downloading the NVDA 2020 installer, then
>> > reinstall.
>> >
>> > Others will likely have other suggestions, and you may end up being
>> asked to
>> > supply NVDA logs off-list by those who are able to dig deep under the
>> hood
>> > of NVDA.  Mine is the "quick and dirty" method.
>> >
>> > I have had Add-On Updater get cranky on multiple occasions, but it
>> generally
>> > has resolved itself the next time it determines updates exist and tries
>> > again.  That's usually the next day.
>> > --
>> >
>> > Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
>> >
>> > *Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
>> > platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*
>> >
>> > ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
>> Sentiment
>> > Took Hold in the United States (
>> >
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
>> > ) , September 23, 2019
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
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>> to:
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>> by
>> visiting the list page at http://www.freelists.org/list/wp4newbs
>> & check out my sites at www.brighter-vision.com &
>> www.mysitesbeenhacked.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
> Best.
> "Hasan Tayem"
>
>
>
>


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Re: Problem while updating NVDA

 

Hello MR. Quentin.

Thanks a lot for your Email, Much appreciated.

Finally, I was able to solve the problem.

I will try to explain what I have done, nevertheless someone is facing it.

Firstly, I have completely removed NVDA from my laptop, I have removed everything, including the registries keys. I recommend you guys to using one of the uninstallation program to helping you removing the registries keys.

Afterwards, I have installed an older version of NVDA, “NVDA 2019.1”.

Finally, you will be freely able to update your NVDA and your addons.

 

Mr. Quentin, Today I am going to send you my previous log of NVDA 2020.1 to the menschened Email, perhaps there are a bugs to be able to fix them.

Best regards.

Hasan Tayem.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 7:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem while updating NVDA

 

Hi Hasan,

 

I have seen an error checking for updates when using a proxy: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8948

 

And another more vague one without an obvious cause: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7834

 

For that second one at least, rebooting the system helped some users.  Brian's suggestion of simply downloading and installing the newest version manually from: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/ should also work.

 

If you'd like to help try to diagnose a bit more before doing that, what would help us is a debug level log of attempting the update.  To do that:

 

"Could you get me a copy of your NVDA log to have a look at please, ideally at debug level?
Please send it attached to an email to info@....  Include a description of what you have done and what isn't working as it should (so I know what it's about in case I don't get to investigate today).

First of all, your NVDA key is either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on how you have NVDA setup.  So, to set your log level:
1) Press NVDA+control+g to open the general settings
2) Press TAB until the focus is on ""Log level""
3) Press DOWN ARROW to get to ""Debug""
4) Press ENTER to close settings
5) Press NVDA+control+c to save settings.

To restart NVDA with add-ons disabled:
1) Press NVDA+Q
2) Down arrow to ""Restart with add-ons disabled""
3) Press ENTER

Next, recreate the issue - check for updates.

To get NVDA's log after that, there are several ways:

If NVDA is still running and usable:
1) Press NVDA+F1 to open the log viewer
2) Press CONTROL+A to select all.
3) Press CONTROL+C to copy.
4) Open your email and start a message to info@..., type a little about what you have done and what has happened in the body of the message, then leave a space and:
5) Press CONTROL+V to paste the copied log.

Instead of using the log viewer, or if NVDA has stopped and you needed to restart it or the computer:
1) Press WINDOWS+R to open Windows' Run dialog
2) Type %temp% and press ENTER (that's the percent sign, the letter t e m p and another percent sign).  Windows Explorer should open to the temporary folder.
3) Press TAB to move to the file list
4) Press N and move down to find up to three files:  nvda.log (the log file for the current or most recent NVDA session), nvda-old.og (the log from the previous session) and nvda-crash.dmp (a crash dump with more information created if NVDA itself crashes).
5) Depending on what email program you use, the steps will be different, but attach as many of those three files to an email to info@... as will be useful, and again in the body of the message describe a bit about what has happened."

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:01 PM hasan tayyem <hasan.tayyem1997@...> wrote:

I have already went there, and I have added NVDA in the advanced firewall, in the inbound and in the Outabounds.

 

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 6:57 AM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:

Hasan, did you get any msgs asking you to allow NVDA thru the
firewall? You may wish to go to windows firewall & just make sure that
NVDA is allowed through.

On 5/27/20, hasan tayyem <hasan.tayyem1997@...> wrote:
> Hello Jackie.
> I am using the Windows defender antivirus by Microsoft.
> And full sure, I am running it as  administrative account. On Thu, May 28,
> 2020 at 6:36 AM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
>
>> Hasan, there's a lot you don't tell us. 1 of the questions I have is
>> what security software are you using, both antivirus & firewall? Also,
>> are you running as an administrator or just using a standard account,
>> as updating NVDA likely won't work then.
>>
>> On 5/27/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>> > Hello Hasan, and welcome.
>> >
>> > In a situation like yours, where you sound like you have a very fresh
>> > Windows 10 installation coupled with a fresh NVDA install, is simply
>> > uninstall NVDA after downloading the NVDA 2020 installer, then
>> > reinstall.
>> >
>> > Others will likely have other suggestions, and you may end up being
>> asked to
>> > supply NVDA logs off-list by those who are able to dig deep under the
>> hood
>> > of NVDA.  Mine is the "quick and dirty" method.
>> >
>> > I have had Add-On Updater get cranky on multiple occasions, but it
>> generally
>> > has resolved itself the next time it determines updates exist and tries
>> > again.  That's usually the next day.
>> > --
>> >
>> > Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
>> >
>> > *Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
>> > platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*
>> >
>> > ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
>> Sentiment
>> > Took Hold in the United States (
>> >
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
>> > ) , September 23, 2019
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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> "Hasan Tayem"
>
>
>
>


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Re: Tony's addons - updates

William Wong
 

Regarding browser mark, I found one problem with regular expression.

abc(?!.*abc)

The above rule using regular expression to match the last "abc"

However putting the rule into the setting, the addon matches all abc, but not the last abc.

Re: Tony's addons - updates

William Wong
 

Yes, I also agree that the function can be expended.

Unlike place marker, this browser marks can be accessed faster.


Kenny 於 28/5/2020 11:10 寫道:

I'm thinking this Browser Marks option found in the Browser Nav add-on should be a stand alone NVDA add-on itself. The potential with it is unlimited. Have dramatically improved my ability to navigate several frequently visited pages already.


I'm hoping Tony could incorporate an ignore case feature into Browser Marks as a default. Entering a statement in all lowercase (sign out, log out for example) )would trigger this functionality. Also improve the search facility to for text found in links. Seems that some RegEx commands work with static text, but not on link text.


On 5/27/2020 9:47 PM, William Wong wrote:
Yes, I do prefer to have a more detailed configuration for the browser marks. e.g. setting marks for specific window title; one entry per each line, instead of putting all rules in the same box.



寫道:

WOW! This Browser marks  feature is powerful. I created a very simple Regex statement to locate the text string:

(^Sign?out$|^Log?out$)


Now I'm able to use the letter [j] (In Browse mode) to quickly locate the Sign-out/Log out link on web pages (Banking, Utility, Shopping etc.) No more using the cumbersome "Find" facility to do this.


I hope you're able to add even more flexibility to this Browser Marks option. Maybe allow each Regex statement to be placed in a list box simply by filling in the edit field and pressing a [Add] button. Then if you change your mind about one statement, you could simply hit the [Delete] button to remove it.


Realize you don't want to create too many of these (For the Browser marks work on every single web page) but think such an addition would make this option even better.


On 5/25/2020 5:17 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello NVDA community,

I have implemented a lot of new features in my add-ons since my last announcement here more than a year ago, so I would like to share all these new features – hopefully you guys will find some of them useful. I present my new add-ons: Phonetic punctuation and Tony’s enhancements, as well as I added many new features to BrowserNav. In the end of this email I also mention my other add-ons, just in case someone hasn’t heard of them, they have only been updated with bugfixes. This is a pretty long email, so I structured it with headings.

Please download latest versions of my add-ons directly from their respective github pages – the links are provided in this email.


   Phonetic punctuation

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation/>

·Short audio demo <https://soundcloud.com/user-977282820/nvda-phonetic-punctuation-demo>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation/releases/latest/download/phoneticPunctuation.nvda-addon>

This add-on allows you to substitute punctuation marks, and any other part of speech configured by a regular expression with an auditory icon (custom sound). Most common use of phonetic punctuation would be for writing code, where it is essential to know all the punctuation marks, but other uses can include: replacing the word “blank” with a sound, replacing timestamps or other frequently repeated text with a sound, etc. Configuring phonetic punctuation requires knowledge of regular expressions.

Thanks to Kara Goldfinch for contributing auditory icons for some punctuation marks!


   BrowserNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/releases/latest/download/browsernav.nvda-addon>

BrowserNav is a collection of improvements to user experience in browsers. I added quite a few new features to it since last release.


     Horizontal indentation using tones

You can configure BrowserNav to express horizontal indentation of a currently focused element using tone – similar to a built in NVDA feature of reporting indentation with tones in text documents. This allows you to better understand the layout of the page. For example, it allows you to hear malformed HTML tables, that is when NVDA doesn’t see a table as a real table, yet the elements are still aligned in a tabular fashion on the screen. It also greatly simplifies browsing hierarchical trees of comments on websites such as reddit, facebook, hacker news – now the tone would indicate the level of the comment.

Please note that there are also commands to find next/previous element with the same horizontal indentation, which you might find handy.


     Crackling for QuickNav commands

In all my add-ons crackling is an indicator of how far we have just jumped in the document when some navigational keystroke is pressed. I implemented this feature for built-in NVDA QuickNav commands as well. Now when you press H for next heading, you can hear crackling, and judging by the length of such crackling you can quickly and intuitively figure out whether the next heading was close by or you just jumped over a lot of text.


     Browser marks

Think of this feature as regular expression enabled bookmarks for browser. You can configure a single regular expression, that can be arbitrary largeand include all the potential bookmarks on all your webpages, and then you can quickly jump to next/previous browser mark using J or Shift+J commands in browse mode. For example, as a frequent Amazon shopper, I like to be able to quickly jump to things like “5 items in cart” and “your orders”. So I have configured my browser mark regular expression to be:

(^\d+ items? in cart$|^Your orders$)

Please note that the regular expression must match the whole paragraph exactly, hence be careful with ^ and $ regular expression qualifiers. Please also note that this regular expression will apply to all web pages and all browsers, so be as specific as possible.


     Accessibility for semi-accessible edit boxes

Many web pages these days are using a fancy HTML text edit component called Monaco – it provides syntax highlighting for sighted people, but it has one major flaw: it is not accessible, that is the edit box appears empty. For example Jupyter and hacker rank use such a text editor among others. You can still retrieve the contents of the edit box by pressing Control+A Control+C and then pasting it to the editor of your choice. However, repeating this every time is tedious, therefore I automated this process. Now you can navigate to said edit box and simply press NVDA+e to view or edit it.


   Tony’s enhancements

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/releases/latest/download/tonysEnhancements.nvda-addon>

This is a hodgepodge of small improvements to various parts of NVDA, not logically connected in any way. All the options are disabled by default and need to be enabled manually in the preferences window.


     NVDA volume

Allows to adjust the volume of all the NVDA sounds, including beeps and speech.


     Automatic language switching

Some languages use non-Latin script, e.g. Russian, Arabic, Chinese, etc. There is no reason why NVDA wouldn’t be able to automatically switch synthesizer language between English and those foreign languages. Now I bring this feature to live. Automatically switching between two Latin-based languages is not supported at this time. Please note that your synthesizer must support all these languages for this feature to be effective.


     Enhanced table navigation commands

I added commands like Control+Alt+Home/End/PageUp/PageDown to jump to first or last row or column. I also added keystrokes to jump to 1..10^th row or column, please check add-on documentation for these shortcuts.


     Enhanced move by word commands

Most text editors support Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow commands for word navigation. However the definition of the word changes from one program to another. This is especially true of modern web-based text editors, such as Monaco. NVDA should know the definition of word in given program in order to speak words correctly. If NVDA doesn't know the exact definition, then either words are going to be skipped, or pronounced multiple times. Moreover, some web-based text editors position the cursor in the end of the word, instead of the beginning, making editing much harder for visually impaired users. In order to combat this problem I have created enhanced word navigation commands, that take the word definition from Notepad++ and they do not rely on program's definition of words, but rather parse lines into words on NVDA's side. The Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow gesture is not even sent to the program, thus ensuring the consistency of the speech.

This option overrides default Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow commands in NVDA.


     Real-time console output

If you work with command line applications that print out a lot of logs, it might be not the best behavior for NVDA to read out all these logs line by line, since NVDA can be speaking much slower than those lines are being printed, thus NVDA might be speaking some lines that were printed a minute ago. I modified the way NVDA speaks command line output to be more realtime. The basic logic is like this: if a new line appears on the screen and NVDA is currently speaking something that was shown on the screen more than a second ago, then we interrupt current utterance and speak the most recent line. Speaking output this way better represents what’s going on in command line window in real time. There is also an option to beep on every update in command line.


     Dynamic keystrokes

I call a keystroke dynamic if it changes the state of an application. Often times we’d want NVDA to speak the updated change automatically, but NVDA does nothing for keystrokes that it’s not aware of. An example of such a keystroke would be F2 in Notepad++ that jumps to the next bookmark – you would want NVDA to speak the current line automatically. Many other editors have such keystrokes as well. Now you can configure the list of keystrokes and NVDA will automatically speak current line after them. Please check github page for more information.


     Suppressing unwanted “unselected” messages

If certain text is selected in a text editor, and in the next moment no longer selected, NVDA would say “unselected” and then the original text that was selected. In certain situations this is not a desirable behavior. For example if you have some text selected, and then you press Control+Home, to go to the very beginning of the document, NVDA would first speak the first line of the document, then “unselected”, then the original selection. I felt this was annoying, so I found a way to suppress this message, while still keeping the “unselected” message when you indeed unselect your selection by character, or word, etc


     Preventing double insert keystroke

If you press insert key twice accidentally, it would trigger insert mode in your application. Since Insert is a special key in NVDA, this behavior cannot be disabled using input gestures dialog in NVDA, yet this was happening too often to me, so I wrote a function to disable double insert key backstroke. If you still would like to toggle insert mode, you can do so by pressing NVDA+F2, and then insert key.


     Insert mode detector

As another layer of defense against accidental insert mode I implemented this feature. It monitors current line of text and looks at how it changes when you type alphanumeric keys. If it seems like characters are being overwritten, it will beep on every character. Similar to built-in caps lock on warning beep.


     Fixing a bug when focus gets stuck in the taskbar when pressing
     Windows+Numbers

There is a bug in Windows 10, and possibly in other versions. When switching between applications using Windows+number shortcut sometimes the focus gets stuck in the taskbar area instead of jumping to the window being switched to. So I implemented a workaround. The add-on detects this situation and plays a short low-pitch beep when this situation is detected, then the add-on fixes it automatically by bringing focus to the desired application.


   TextNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-text-nav/>

·Audio demo <https://soundcloud.com/user-977282820/textnav-promo>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-text-nav/releases/latest/download/textnav.nvda-addon>

TextNav allows you to quickly find the beginning of article on a web page, and also skip over junk HTML elements, such as menus, images, ads, etc.


   SentenceNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/latest/download/SentenceNav.nvda-addon>

Allows you to navigate text sentence-by-sentence or phrase-by-phrase, as opposed to by word, character or line.


   IndentNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav/releases/latest/download/IndentNav.nvda-addon>

This add-on improves navigation around source code files for programming by allowing to find lines with the same/greater/smaller indentation level. But it also can be used for structured text files, where structure is expressed by the indentation level.


   Bluetooth Audio

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-bluetooth-audio/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-bluetooth-audio/releases/latest/download/bluetoothaudio.nvda-addon>

Improves sound quality for those who use NVDA with Bluetooth or other wireless audio devices by constantly playing silent sound.


   AudioChart

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-audio-chart/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-audio-chart/releases/latest/download/audioChart.nvda-addon>

AudioChart allows you to sonify time series in Microsoft Excel.

Thanks for reading this! Let me know what you think about these new features!

--Tony







Re: ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

 

Hmmm to be honest, I have half a mind as I said to tell them that we don't want any extra software installed!!!

If they need adds, put them in a readable webpage at the end if they need sponsorship, heck, nagg us about buying on a after install webpage if they must, but we shouldn't have to bother about bundled software.

Its why I use goldwave a 40 dollar us program instead of cdex because cdex has addon software, and why I quit using the dvdvideosoftware package and got pontes media which doesn't do this stuff and brought the applian suite wasting 200 us bucks and of which I hhardly used because dvdvideosoftware had so much spyware in it and other unwanted stuff that by installing it one day I basically bricked my laptop, and even after removing the software in question had to reformat because it left a mess behind.

I think its time we tell the software makers that while we like and may buy their stuff, having adds shoved down our throats will drive us away or at least will make us gnash our teeth behind their backs.

I shouldn't have to worry about what is being loaded to use my systware.

I have had to give up good software because of foisted bundled stuff.

Excluding software which installs chrome for me because that at least is usefull I have had to go to a lot of trouble to get stuff that does not try to give me a really bad and public deal.

Its just the way I feel.

I have noticed that the user seems to be happy to have second place and put up withh things but this is the new world now, the virus has got rid of the old one and in this world I think its time for users to fight for the choice of what we want to run and what we want to install.

CCleaner has a slim installer but even so.



On 28/05/2020 2:28 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't use the product but I think that one of the most important things is that notification of which additional software will be installed and the refusal option be accessible.  A lot of the time, installers don't show such information in an accessible way and you don't know what is being offered and you can't refuse it.  I suspect CCleaner has this problem and I think it is the most important problem.  The user shouldn't have software installed he/she can't refuse and isn't aware will be installed.  Not being able to use a program is very serious, having something installed that may be difficult to remove and interferes with your use of the computer aside from that program is worse.
 
Gene 
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Subject: [nvda] ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Hi all.

A while ago several months in fact as a user of ccleaner I recieved via
their news letter a servey to tell piriform about their product and how
good it was.

Of course I naturally opend up a can on how bad it was, etc and all that.

Today I got a message saying there is a panel going up, and asked me to
join in one of the questions there was a question about screen readers.

I don't know what this means, but this could be a step in the right
direction.

So my first thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.

The first one is the control panel with all the checkboxes.

My second are the settings in particular the button that switches on and
off smartclean, I had to use narator to check that button else nvda
would jump past it.

Third is healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make it
accessible or have it turned off by default for screenreader users
because we don't really need it anyway.

Then there are add banners and messages which themselves are not
accessible as they currently are.

Finally, there is the startup of smart clean and other things on
installd  versions which we don't use or need and which can be a bother
to turn off.

Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is
installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions, and if
they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page on
their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they must but
not bundle it in.

Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all the extras do is screw
up our systems.

I'd also like to add portable mode to installers.

This is most of what I'd want.

The most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and the
health check for the first bash.

Hell if they just got the control panel right and maybe the buttons in
settings it should be a blooming good start.

The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility so I
would really like this.

If others get this mail I'd encourage joining the panel.

It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or whatever they are called
are trying to do the right thing here.

Its an awesome step in the right direction.

Now on top of the windows update being so good, keeping 99.9% of all my
settings in tact and all, I am a really happy user.




Re: Problem while updating NVDA

 

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 11:36 PM, Jackie wrote:
Also, are you running as an administrator or just using a standard account, as updating NVDA likely won't work then.
Not that this isn't an accurate observation, but I am always willing to make the presumption that someone asking about updating software is most likely using an account with admin privileges.  First and foremost because they get error messages from Windows if they try it telling them they don't have that ability if using a standard account.

It takes about one day, if that, using a standard user account to learn that you are stymied at every turn if doing any kind of software installation, removal, or updating is a frequent part of your routine.

I haven't used a standard account myself for "daily driving" ever, other that to experiment once to see just how restrictive they are.  They're great if you need to "save someone from their own worst impulses" and prevent them from destroying things by button and link clicking at random and installing all sorts of nasty stuff.  But for a serious computer user who "knows the ropes" even somewhat well, they drive you to madness fast.
 
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Re: Problem while updating NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Hasan,

I have seen an error checking for updates when using a proxy: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8948

And another more vague one without an obvious cause: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7834

For that second one at least, rebooting the system helped some users.  Brian's suggestion of simply downloading and installing the newest version manually from: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/ should also work.

If you'd like to help try to diagnose a bit more before doing that, what would help us is a debug level log of attempting the update.  To do that:

"Could you get me a copy of your NVDA log to have a look at please, ideally at debug level?
Please send it attached to an email to info@....  Include a description of what you have done and what isn't working as it should (so I know what it's about in case I don't get to investigate today).

First of all, your NVDA key is either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on how you have NVDA setup.  So, to set your log level:
1) Press NVDA+control+g to open the general settings
2) Press TAB until the focus is on ""Log level""
3) Press DOWN ARROW to get to ""Debug""
4) Press ENTER to close settings
5) Press NVDA+control+c to save settings.

To restart NVDA with add-ons disabled:
1) Press NVDA+Q
2) Down arrow to ""Restart with add-ons disabled""
3) Press ENTER

Next, recreate the issue - check for updates.

To get NVDA's log after that, there are several ways:

If NVDA is still running and usable:
1) Press NVDA+F1 to open the log viewer
2) Press CONTROL+A to select all.
3) Press CONTROL+C to copy.
4) Open your email and start a message to info@..., type a little about what you have done and what has happened in the body of the message, then leave a space and:
5) Press CONTROL+V to paste the copied log.

Instead of using the log viewer, or if NVDA has stopped and you needed to restart it or the computer:
1) Press WINDOWS+R to open Windows' Run dialog
2) Type %temp% and press ENTER (that's the percent sign, the letter t e m p and another percent sign).  Windows Explorer should open to the temporary folder.
3) Press TAB to move to the file list
4) Press N and move down to find up to three files:  nvda.log (the log file for the current or most recent NVDA session), nvda-old.og (the log from the previous session) and nvda-crash.dmp (a crash dump with more information created if NVDA itself crashes).
5) Depending on what email program you use, the steps will be different, but attach as many of those three files to an email to info@... as will be useful, and again in the body of the message describe a bit about what has happened."

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:01 PM hasan tayyem <hasan.tayyem1997@...> wrote:
I have already went there, and I have added NVDA in the advanced firewall, in the inbound and in the Outabounds.

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 6:57 AM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Hasan, did you get any msgs asking you to allow NVDA thru the
firewall? You may wish to go to windows firewall & just make sure that
NVDA is allowed through.

On 5/27/20, hasan tayyem <hasan.tayyem1997@...> wrote:
> Hello Jackie.
> I am using the Windows defender antivirus by Microsoft.
> And full sure, I am running it as  administrative account. On Thu, May 28,
> 2020 at 6:36 AM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
>
>> Hasan, there's a lot you don't tell us. 1 of the questions I have is
>> what security software are you using, both antivirus & firewall? Also,
>> are you running as an administrator or just using a standard account,
>> as updating NVDA likely won't work then.
>>
>> On 5/27/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>> > Hello Hasan, and welcome.
>> >
>> > In a situation like yours, where you sound like you have a very fresh
>> > Windows 10 installation coupled with a fresh NVDA install, is simply
>> > uninstall NVDA after downloading the NVDA 2020 installer, then
>> > reinstall.
>> >
>> > Others will likely have other suggestions, and you may end up being
>> asked to
>> > supply NVDA logs off-list by those who are able to dig deep under the
>> hood
>> > of NVDA.  Mine is the "quick and dirty" method.
>> >
>> > I have had Add-On Updater get cranky on multiple occasions, but it
>> generally
>> > has resolved itself the next time it determines updates exist and tries
>> > again.  That's usually the next day.
>> > --
>> >
>> > Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
>> >
>> > *Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
>> > platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*
>> >
>> > ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
>> Sentiment
>> > Took Hold in the United States (
>> >
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
>> > ) , September 23, 2019
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: Problem while updating NVDA

 

I have already went there, and I have added NVDA in the advanced firewall, in the inbound and in the Outabounds.

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 6:57 AM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Hasan, did you get any msgs asking you to allow NVDA thru the
firewall? You may wish to go to windows firewall & just make sure that
NVDA is allowed through.

On 5/27/20, hasan tayyem <hasan.tayyem1997@...> wrote:
> Hello Jackie.
> I am using the Windows defender antivirus by Microsoft.
> And full sure, I am running it as  administrative account. On Thu, May 28,
> 2020 at 6:36 AM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
>
>> Hasan, there's a lot you don't tell us. 1 of the questions I have is
>> what security software are you using, both antivirus & firewall? Also,
>> are you running as an administrator or just using a standard account,
>> as updating NVDA likely won't work then.
>>
>> On 5/27/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>> > Hello Hasan, and welcome.
>> >
>> > In a situation like yours, where you sound like you have a very fresh
>> > Windows 10 installation coupled with a fresh NVDA install, is simply
>> > uninstall NVDA after downloading the NVDA 2020 installer, then
>> > reinstall.
>> >
>> > Others will likely have other suggestions, and you may end up being
>> asked to
>> > supply NVDA logs off-list by those who are able to dig deep under the
>> hood
>> > of NVDA.  Mine is the "quick and dirty" method.
>> >
>> > I have had Add-On Updater get cranky on multiple occasions, but it
>> generally
>> > has resolved itself the next time it determines updates exist and tries
>> > again.  That's usually the next day.
>> > --
>> >
>> > Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
>> >
>> > *Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
>> > platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*
>> >
>> > ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
>> Sentiment
>> > Took Hold in the United States (
>> >
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
>> > ) , September 23, 2019
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: Problem while updating NVDA

Jackie
 

Hasan, did you get any msgs asking you to allow NVDA thru the
firewall? You may wish to go to windows firewall & just make sure that
NVDA is allowed through.

On 5/27/20, hasan tayyem <@HasanTayem> wrote:
Hello Jackie.
I am using the Windows defender antivirus by Microsoft.
And full sure, I am running it as administrative account. On Thu, May 28,
2020 at 6:36 AM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:

Hasan, there's a lot you don't tell us. 1 of the questions I have is
what security software are you using, both antivirus & firewall? Also,
are you running as an administrator or just using a standard account,
as updating NVDA likely won't work then.

On 5/27/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Hello Hasan, and welcome.

In a situation like yours, where you sound like you have a very fresh
Windows 10 installation coupled with a fresh NVDA install, is simply
uninstall NVDA after downloading the NVDA 2020 installer, then
reinstall.

Others will likely have other suggestions, and you may end up being
asked to
supply NVDA logs off-list by those who are able to dig deep under the
hood
of NVDA. Mine is the "quick and dirty" method.

I have had Add-On Updater get cranky on multiple occasions, but it
generally
has resolved itself the next time it determines updates exist and tries
again. That's usually the next day.
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platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019




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Re: Problem while updating NVDA

 



Hello Jackie.
I am using the Windows defender antivirus by Microsoft.
And full sure, I am running it as  administrative account. On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 6:36 AM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:

Hasan, there's a lot you don't tell us. 1 of the questions I have is
what security software are you using, both antivirus & firewall? Also,
are you running as an administrator or just using a standard account,
as updating NVDA likely won't work then.

On 5/27/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Hello Hasan, and welcome.
>
> In a situation like yours, where you sound like you have a very fresh
> Windows 10 installation coupled with a fresh NVDA install, is simply
> uninstall NVDA after downloading the NVDA 2020 installer, then reinstall.
>
> Others will likely have other suggestions, and you may end up being asked to
> supply NVDA logs off-list by those who are able to dig deep under the hood
> of NVDA.  Mine is the "quick and dirty" method.
>
> I have had Add-On Updater get cranky on multiple occasions, but it generally
> has resolved itself the next time it determines updates exist and tries
> again.  That's usually the next day.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
>
> *Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
> platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*
>
> ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
> Took Hold in the United States (
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
> ) , September 23, 2019
>
>
>
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Re: Problem while updating NVDA

Jackie
 

Hasan, there's a lot you don't tell us. 1 of the questions I have is
what security software are you using, both antivirus & firewall? Also,
are you running as an administrator or just using a standard account,
as updating NVDA likely won't work then.

On 5/27/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Hello Hasan, and welcome.

In a situation like yours, where you sound like you have a very fresh
Windows 10 installation coupled with a fresh NVDA install, is simply
uninstall NVDA after downloading the NVDA 2020 installer, then reinstall.

Others will likely have other suggestions, and you may end up being asked to
supply NVDA logs off-list by those who are able to dig deep under the hood
of NVDA.  Mine is the "quick and dirty" method.

I have had Add-On Updater get cranky on multiple occasions, but it generally
has resolved itself the next time it determines updates exist and tries
again.  That's usually the next day.
--

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Re: Problem while updating NVDA

 

Hello Hasan, and welcome.

In a situation like yours, where you sound like you have a very fresh Windows 10 installation coupled with a fresh NVDA install, is simply uninstall NVDA after downloading the NVDA 2020 installer, then reinstall.

Others will likely have other suggestions, and you may end up being asked to supply NVDA logs off-list by those who are able to dig deep under the hood of NVDA.  Mine is the "quick and dirty" method.

I have had Add-On Updater get cranky on multiple occasions, but it generally has resolved itself the next time it determines updates exist and tries again.  That's usually the next day.
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Problem while updating NVDA

 

hello everyone.
I hope all of you are doing well and safe during this bad situation that we are all facing it.
firstly, I really would love to thank everyone who is contributing to spreading NVDA as a best screen reader for the blind.
I have found a bug on updating NVDA, and I really would love to share it with you.
recently, I have made a clean installation of windows 10 on my laptop, and I have installed MVDA 2019.3.1 on it,
I have tried to update it to the latest version from the help menu of nvda, but unfortunately I have got an error called {NVDA update, error checking for update}.
I have a very good and stable Internet connection.
so what are your advices to fix this error?
I am also using NVDA Add on updater and it’s also not working with me.
last thing to mention, this problem is also happening to one of my friends.
I look forward to hearing back from you.

Best.
Hasan.

Re: Tony's addons - updates

Kenny
 

I'm thinking this Browser Marks option found in the Browser Nav add-on should be a stand alone NVDA add-on itself. The potential with it is unlimited. Have dramatically improved my ability to navigate several frequently visited pages already.


I'm hoping Tony could incorporate an ignore case feature into Browser Marks as a default. Entering a statement in all lowercase (sign out, log out for example) )would trigger this functionality. Also improve the search facility to for text found in links. Seems that some RegEx commands work with static text, but not on link text.

On 5/27/2020 9:47 PM, William Wong wrote:
Yes, I do prefer to have a more detailed configuration for the browser marks. e.g. setting marks for specific window title; one entry per each line, instead of putting all rules in the same box.



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WOW! This Browser marks  feature is powerful. I created a very simple Regex statement to locate the text string:

(^Sign?out$|^Log?out$)


Now I'm able to use the letter [j] (In Browse mode) to quickly locate the Sign-out/Log out link on web pages (Banking, Utility, Shopping etc.) No more using the cumbersome "Find" facility to do this.


I hope you're able to add even more flexibility to this Browser Marks option. Maybe allow each Regex statement to be placed in a list box simply by filling in the edit field and pressing a [Add] button. Then if you change your mind about one statement, you could simply hit the [Delete] button to remove it.


Realize you don't want to create too many of these (For the Browser marks work on every single web page) but think such an addition would make this option even better.


On 5/25/2020 5:17 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello NVDA community,

I have implemented a lot of new features in my add-ons since my last announcement here more than a year ago, so I would like to share all these new features – hopefully you guys will find some of them useful. I present my new add-ons: Phonetic punctuation and Tony’s enhancements, as well as I added many new features to BrowserNav. In the end of this email I also mention my other add-ons, just in case someone hasn’t heard of them, they have only been updated with bugfixes. This is a pretty long email, so I structured it with headings.

Please download latest versions of my add-ons directly from their respective github pages – the links are provided in this email.


   Phonetic punctuation

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation/>

·Short audio demo <https://soundcloud.com/user-977282820/nvda-phonetic-punctuation-demo>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation/releases/latest/download/phoneticPunctuation.nvda-addon>

This add-on allows you to substitute punctuation marks, and any other part of speech configured by a regular expression with an auditory icon (custom sound). Most common use of phonetic punctuation would be for writing code, where it is essential to know all the punctuation marks, but other uses can include: replacing the word “blank” with a sound, replacing timestamps or other frequently repeated text with a sound, etc. Configuring phonetic punctuation requires knowledge of regular expressions.

Thanks to Kara Goldfinch for contributing auditory icons for some punctuation marks!


   BrowserNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/releases/latest/download/browsernav.nvda-addon>

BrowserNav is a collection of improvements to user experience in browsers. I added quite a few new features to it since last release.


     Horizontal indentation using tones

You can configure BrowserNav to express horizontal indentation of a currently focused element using tone – similar to a built in NVDA feature of reporting indentation with tones in text documents. This allows you to better understand the layout of the page. For example, it allows you to hear malformed HTML tables, that is when NVDA doesn’t see a table as a real table, yet the elements are still aligned in a tabular fashion on the screen. It also greatly simplifies browsing hierarchical trees of comments on websites such as reddit, facebook, hacker news – now the tone would indicate the level of the comment.

Please note that there are also commands to find next/previous element with the same horizontal indentation, which you might find handy.


     Crackling for QuickNav commands

In all my add-ons crackling is an indicator of how far we have just jumped in the document when some navigational keystroke is pressed. I implemented this feature for built-in NVDA QuickNav commands as well. Now when you press H for next heading, you can hear crackling, and judging by the length of such crackling you can quickly and intuitively figure out whether the next heading was close by or you just jumped over a lot of text.


     Browser marks

Think of this feature as regular expression enabled bookmarks for browser. You can configure a single regular expression, that can be arbitrary largeand include all the potential bookmarks on all your webpages, and then you can quickly jump to next/previous browser mark using J or Shift+J commands in browse mode. For example, as a frequent Amazon shopper, I like to be able to quickly jump to things like “5 items in cart” and “your orders”. So I have configured my browser mark regular expression to be:

(^\d+ items? in cart$|^Your orders$)

Please note that the regular expression must match the whole paragraph exactly, hence be careful with ^ and $ regular expression qualifiers. Please also note that this regular expression will apply to all web pages and all browsers, so be as specific as possible.


     Accessibility for semi-accessible edit boxes

Many web pages these days are using a fancy HTML text edit component called Monaco – it provides syntax highlighting for sighted people, but it has one major flaw: it is not accessible, that is the edit box appears empty. For example Jupyter and hacker rank use such a text editor among others. You can still retrieve the contents of the edit box by pressing Control+A Control+C and then pasting it to the editor of your choice. However, repeating this every time is tedious, therefore I automated this process. Now you can navigate to said edit box and simply press NVDA+e to view or edit it.


   Tony’s enhancements

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/releases/latest/download/tonysEnhancements.nvda-addon>

This is a hodgepodge of small improvements to various parts of NVDA, not logically connected in any way. All the options are disabled by default and need to be enabled manually in the preferences window.


     NVDA volume

Allows to adjust the volume of all the NVDA sounds, including beeps and speech.


     Automatic language switching

Some languages use non-Latin script, e.g. Russian, Arabic, Chinese, etc. There is no reason why NVDA wouldn’t be able to automatically switch synthesizer language between English and those foreign languages. Now I bring this feature to live. Automatically switching between two Latin-based languages is not supported at this time. Please note that your synthesizer must support all these languages for this feature to be effective.


     Enhanced table navigation commands

I added commands like Control+Alt+Home/End/PageUp/PageDown to jump to first or last row or column. I also added keystrokes to jump to 1..10^th row or column, please check add-on documentation for these shortcuts.


     Enhanced move by word commands

Most text editors support Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow commands for word navigation. However the definition of the word changes from one program to another. This is especially true of modern web-based text editors, such as Monaco. NVDA should know the definition of word in given program in order to speak words correctly. If NVDA doesn't know the exact definition, then either words are going to be skipped, or pronounced multiple times. Moreover, some web-based text editors position the cursor in the end of the word, instead of the beginning, making editing much harder for visually impaired users. In order to combat this problem I have created enhanced word navigation commands, that take the word definition from Notepad++ and they do not rely on program's definition of words, but rather parse lines into words on NVDA's side. The Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow gesture is not even sent to the program, thus ensuring the consistency of the speech.

This option overrides default Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow commands in NVDA.


     Real-time console output

If you work with command line applications that print out a lot of logs, it might be not the best behavior for NVDA to read out all these logs line by line, since NVDA can be speaking much slower than those lines are being printed, thus NVDA might be speaking some lines that were printed a minute ago. I modified the way NVDA speaks command line output to be more realtime. The basic logic is like this: if a new line appears on the screen and NVDA is currently speaking something that was shown on the screen more than a second ago, then we interrupt current utterance and speak the most recent line. Speaking output this way better represents what’s going on in command line window in real time. There is also an option to beep on every update in command line.


     Dynamic keystrokes

I call a keystroke dynamic if it changes the state of an application. Often times we’d want NVDA to speak the updated change automatically, but NVDA does nothing for keystrokes that it’s not aware of. An example of such a keystroke would be F2 in Notepad++ that jumps to the next bookmark – you would want NVDA to speak the current line automatically. Many other editors have such keystrokes as well. Now you can configure the list of keystrokes and NVDA will automatically speak current line after them. Please check github page for more information.


     Suppressing unwanted “unselected” messages

If certain text is selected in a text editor, and in the next moment no longer selected, NVDA would say “unselected” and then the original text that was selected. In certain situations this is not a desirable behavior. For example if you have some text selected, and then you press Control+Home, to go to the very beginning of the document, NVDA would first speak the first line of the document, then “unselected”, then the original selection. I felt this was annoying, so I found a way to suppress this message, while still keeping the “unselected” message when you indeed unselect your selection by character, or word, etc


     Preventing double insert keystroke

If you press insert key twice accidentally, it would trigger insert mode in your application. Since Insert is a special key in NVDA, this behavior cannot be disabled using input gestures dialog in NVDA, yet this was happening too often to me, so I wrote a function to disable double insert key backstroke. If you still would like to toggle insert mode, you can do so by pressing NVDA+F2, and then insert key.


     Insert mode detector

As another layer of defense against accidental insert mode I implemented this feature. It monitors current line of text and looks at how it changes when you type alphanumeric keys. If it seems like characters are being overwritten, it will beep on every character. Similar to built-in caps lock on warning beep.


     Fixing a bug when focus gets stuck in the taskbar when pressing
     Windows+Numbers

There is a bug in Windows 10, and possibly in other versions. When switching between applications using Windows+number shortcut sometimes the focus gets stuck in the taskbar area instead of jumping to the window being switched to. So I implemented a workaround. The add-on detects this situation and plays a short low-pitch beep when this situation is detected, then the add-on fixes it automatically by bringing focus to the desired application.


   TextNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-text-nav/>

·Audio demo <https://soundcloud.com/user-977282820/textnav-promo>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-text-nav/releases/latest/download/textnav.nvda-addon>

TextNav allows you to quickly find the beginning of article on a web page, and also skip over junk HTML elements, such as menus, images, ads, etc.


   SentenceNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/latest/download/SentenceNav.nvda-addon>

Allows you to navigate text sentence-by-sentence or phrase-by-phrase, as opposed to by word, character or line.


   IndentNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav/releases/latest/download/IndentNav.nvda-addon>

This add-on improves navigation around source code files for programming by allowing to find lines with the same/greater/smaller indentation level. But it also can be used for structured text files, where structure is expressed by the indentation level.


   Bluetooth Audio

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-bluetooth-audio/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-bluetooth-audio/releases/latest/download/bluetoothaudio.nvda-addon>

Improves sound quality for those who use NVDA with Bluetooth or other wireless audio devices by constantly playing silent sound.


   AudioChart

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-audio-chart/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-audio-chart/releases/latest/download/audioChart.nvda-addon>

AudioChart allows you to sonify time series in Microsoft Excel.

Thanks for reading this! Let me know what you think about these new features!

--Tony






Re: Tony's addons - updates

 

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 10:02 PM, William Wong wrote:
Of course I have check the documentation before posting the question.
Seriously, this is great.  The problem is that you are the exception rather than the rule.  So making those who don't know that these mechanisms for checking add-on documentation is important.  And it's equally important that they be used.
 
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Re: Tony's addons - updates

蔡宗豪 Victor Cai
 

Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> 於 2020年5月27日 週三 下午10:27寫道:

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by not ready to be translated. All the strings are processed with _() function.

It seems that tonysEnhancements is not listed in the translation system (file: settings).

Is it possible to provide a link for translators to get the po / pot file?
Here is an example: addon, markdown forever
https://andreabc.net/projects/NVDA_addons/markdownForever/l10n

I hope that this is a temporary case. Addon tonysEnhancements could be listed in the translation system soon.

Regards,
Victor