That is not my position nor have I said that. My position is that there are times when too much knowledge is assumed or expected on a list with people at all sorts of skill levels. I didn't say you

hi, my work also requires regular use of SPSS which I have been skipping on my own loss. I had raised the issue about it in the NVDAcon Asia which happened around 2015-16 where Joseph Lee was very

William, You're quite welcome. I have to say that my experience with SPSS in the very, very distant past (about 40 years ago), and as a sighted computer science major, showed it to be more

Brian, Thanks. In fact before posting this topic, I have searched this topics on the archive and found some relevant discussions in the past. Recently I came across a post on

- I have intentionally quoted Sarah above, and ask those in high dudgeon to reread, and carefully reconsider, what's been said. There are many of us who teach or have taught mixed audiences. What

Hi, Brian, You bring up very good points here. Yes, it's up to the beginner to ask questions if he or she doesn't understand something. That way the person assisting can give the proper steps for

- And I will say that this is, in no way, limited to Sarah. I have said that I absolutely, positively refuse to presume that most users I encounter anywhere, but particularly on groups such as this,

Thats a valid point, often I have told a sightling where to click and its not that at all. The reader layout and what it translates maybe completely different.

Usually with bline I try to tell the shortcuts. To be honest I get the sightlings to do the same unless they find what they are supposed to click. With my frinds that know what's what I

Sarah, if you're reading this, remember that what your screen reader calls something may not at all be what a sighted people sees. You may say "click on where it says 'sound settings'" and they may

I agree. If I was a beginning computer user, I wouldn't want Sarah as my instructor. If she's gonna tell people to click on something, she might as well say "point and click". I say that because I

Sarah reports and un-follows people who include too many emoji's in their Twitter handles or tweets. So yeah, that's what you're dealing with there. LOL

Gee, Sarah, I hope you don't teach older blind people and/or beginners. Much too demanding for a beginner to expect that. Let's blind fold the sighted folks and tell them to do just keyboard

Oh no. I tell a blind person click this and click that, and if they cannot follow my directions, then it's not my problem. they need to learn how to translate that into what ever that means for them.

- And, why should they? Each and every one of us here knows what we need to know to do what we need or want to do in a way that's most convenient for ourselves in our daily lives. I would wager to

Agreed, Sadly sometimes the sighted can be more blind than the blind and not know where to go or simply only know the mouse and not the board.

That's a good description. of course, such information wouldn't be given in tutorials or other training material but its very interesting. Gene

I was talking with a friend of mine who uses JAWS at work. He says that when using braille, he can see multi-language text properly presented in braille. I am not trying to do a JAWS is better post

Does exiting NVDA using the NVDA key plus the letter N key, then choosing "Exit" from the menu give you a different result? HTH, Blaster

Gene, It's hard to describe something visual to someone who cannot see (and has never seen), but I'll do my darndest. Menus are, for lack of a better way of explaining it, framed. There