Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?
Hello All,
This is a navigation method that I really have yet to wrap my head around. My intent with this topic is not to trigger a discussion of the abstract concepts of object navigation, though they're certainly not unwelcome, but to elicit a collection of specific programs/dialogs/etc. where you personally use object navigation to get around in it and how it travels when you do. I have not had a lot of luck yet when just playing with object navigation at random, and figure I (and perhaps many others) might "get the hang of it" much better if we were trying it out in a context either that we're familiar with but haven't used it, or in a context someone else has described so that our experimentation has more meaning from the outset. If you feel so inclined, please share. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: Unnecessary verbiage that wastes my time
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:34 AM, Gene wrote:
People would never put up with a human reader announcing all this clutter.I'd say that's absolutely true, but they'd probably also expect a human reader to say something about the fact that there is a figure/image present and what it illustrates as a part of the reading, unless the person their reading for has explicitly requested they only read the main text. I actually feel your pain, and have had exactly that same feeling many, many times with multiple screen readers. I hope that someday there arrives AI sophisticated enough to screen read the way "your average sighted person" would likely take in looking at content. Heaven knows we virtually never look at scads of the navigation links and the like at the outset, but the main page content first. But at this point in time, since a screen reader itself has no idea, really, of what it is you (any you) are looking for on a given page it offers "way too much" rather than allowing you to possibly miss the presence of something. It would be nice if all of these sorts of things were arranged in "chunks" of announcements that fit a certain class, and that you could have the option of turning off the entire class with one checkbox, or going through the individual things announced and unchecking the ones you explicitly don't want while retaining the others. And do I ever know what a PITA that would be to code, and for the user to slog through, but in any really complex system where a high level of customization is wanted or needed, this is how its obtained. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress
Have you considered using object navigation instead of screen review? This is actually what I do and it works beautifully. Simply in laptop mode (I don't use desktop mode ever) do an nvda shift left and right to move between objects, and nvda down and up to interact and not interact with each object. You do not in my experience need to switch modes. -- Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. Check out my adventures with a shadow machine. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 6 Aug 2020, at 4:37, Ron Canazzi wrote:
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Re: Idea for an Addon
Hi
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Acording to what I understand, you could try this add-on: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/placeMarkers.en.html Cuong
On 8/6/2020 10:19 AM, Vaibhav Bhandari wrote:
Hi all,
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Unnecessary verbiage that wastes my time
Gene
I really hate unnecessary verbiage that wastes my time and tells me nothing of any value.
I've recently been using the beta version of NVDA. I havedn't gotten the production version since I've been using it so little. But one thing that caught my attention is the announcement of figure and out of figure on web pages. What possible value is there to this? I don't care if something is a figure in structure, whatever that is, evidently some sort of visual formatting. Every time I hear these words, it wastes a little bit of time and distractingly clutters the text. and I see no way to turhn this off in the document formatting options. I turn off the other nonsense such as bloc quote announcement. I turn off almost everything. If new formatting information is added, there should be a way to turn it off. And why are some of these announcements on by default? People would never put up with a human reader announcing all this clutter. How many users of NVDA ever learn enough to know that they can turn all these announcements off? Gene
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Re: Idea for an Addon
Daniel Damacena
I am not a developer. Actually, I am a basic user, so that I can't tell you whether it is possible. What I can recommend you to do is to use one of the mentioned softwares. Bookworm is super light, accessible and free. You can download it from here: All the best! Em qui., 6 de ago. de 2020 às 07:37, Vaibhav Bhandari <vaibhavbhandari2017@...> escreveu:
So would it be possible for NVDA to have this feature too? --
Daniel Damacena
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Re: Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress
Daniel Damacena
Which antivirus are you talking about? I am using malwarebytes. It is not totally accessible. Whenever I need to activate an option I need to bring the mouse to it and click on it, but it is really effective! Em qui., 6 de ago. de 2020 às 08:37, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> escreveu:
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Daniel Damacena
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In-Process is out
Quentin Christensen
Hi everyone, In-Process is out, this week featuring news on NVDA 2020.2, our Software Engineer position, plus other ways you can contribute to NVDA. Now available at:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-6th-august-2020/ Quentin. Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress
Gene
Try using object navigation. I don't know how familiar you are with it. I can give you a quick description if you wish.
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From: Ron Canazzi Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 6:37 AM To: NVDA Official Group Subject: [nvda] Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress Hello Group, Until recently (I am not sure when this started) when I would manually run a Virus scan for Windows security, I could switch to the screen review cursor and look at the dialogue including the progress and setting. Now when I try this during a scan, all NVDA says is 'blandk.' Now if I use the read dialogue keystroke insert + B, after reading through a bunch of superfluous items such as the tool bars and system items, I do get the scan progress information read correctly. This means that it must be recognizable by NVDA at some level. Has anyone else seen this issue? If so, is there some way of rectifying the situation? If NVDA sees it in the read dialogue context, shouldn't it be available in some form so that it can be read more easily? Thanks for any help. -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Speaking the word just typed.
Gerry
Thanks, nvda plus 3 works fine.
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Gerry
On 06/08/2020 11:13, Jacob Kruger wrote:
This setting is under NVDA settings, speech, or else you can toggle it using NVDA key + number row 3 - that's with, I think, both desktop and laptop keyboard layouts.
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Re: Speaking the word just typed.
Quentin Christensen
All correct Jacob! NVDA+3 to toggle speak typed words directly. Otherwise NVDA+control+k to open NVDA's keyboard settings and toggle it from in there. Quentin.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:14 PM Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote: This setting is under NVDA settings, speech, or else you can toggle it --
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Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress
Ron Canazzi
Hello Group,
Until recently (I am not sure when this started) when I would manually run a Virus scan for Windows security, I could switch to the screen review cursor and look at the dialogue including the progress and setting. Now when I try this during a scan, all NVDA says is 'blandk.' Now if I use the read dialogue keystroke insert + B, after reading through a bunch of superfluous items such as the tool bars and system items, I do get the scan progress information read correctly. This means that it must be recognizable by NVDA at some level. Has anyone else seen this issue? If so, is there some way of rectifying the situation? If NVDA sees it in the read dialogue context, shouldn't it be available in some form so that it can be read more easily? Thanks for any help. -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Gene
Silenzio doesn't silence speech. It solves a problem where the sound card times out after it isn't doing anything for a short time. When you do something that causes speech to occur again, there is a pause before it starts because the sound card has stopped working. Silenzio sends inaudible audio signals to the sound card to stop it from timing out. That doesn't sound like your problem because, according to your description, your problem occurs while speech is occuring.
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From: Jackie Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 12:52 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA Sharni-Lee, this often happens in Windows 10 in conjunction w/a Realtech audio driver. Specifically, it happens when enhancements are enabled. Try going to control panel > sound, then down arrow till you hear your playback device announced. It might sound similar to: Speakers; Realtek(R) Audio; Press alt p for properties. Control tab till you hear "spatial sound" announced. At this point you should be in a dropdown list which you can use your up & down arrow keys to navigate. Arrow to 'off', then tab to ok & activate. Press ok as many times as required to exit the dialog. Please let us know if this helps. On 8/5/20, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote: Just checked the addons page and didn't see it there. I still don't like -- Subscribe to a WordPress for Newbies Mailing List by sending a message to: wp4newbs-request@... with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by visiting the list page at http://www.freelists.org/list/wp4newbs & check out my sites at www.brightstarsweb.com & www.mysitesbeenhacked.com
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Re: Idea for an Addon
Vaibhav Bhandari
So would it be possible for NVDA to have this feature too?
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On 8/6/20, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote:
Well, ebook readers like bookworm or qread have this feature. --
Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari
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Re: Speaking the word just typed.
Jacob Kruger
This setting is under NVDA settings, speech, or else you can toggle it using NVDA key + number row 3 - that's with, I think, both desktop and laptop keyboard layouts.
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On 2020-08-06 12:01 PM, Gerry wrote:
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Speaking the word just typed.
Gerry
Hi
Apologies if this seems simple, but I am sure that nvda used to speak each word as it was typed. For some reason my system has stopped doing this and I cannot find the setting to re-instate the feature. I am using nvda version 2020.1 and the latest Windows 10. Advice welcome. best regards Gerry
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Re: NVDA 2020.2 and Word Track Changes: finding the issue in Github
Quentin Christensen
Hi Sylvie, Good question - and one to which there is no easy answer. Probably the best I can think of is what are the most common words someone might use in describing the problem. So for this one, shift+a is good as that is the exact keystroke which is misbehaving. Annotation could also work since that's NVDA's name for the command. If you're unsure, feel free to post here as that way you can also find out if anyone else is experiencing it, and if THEY have already reported it, or perhaps find an answer. At worst, if you post an issue and it already exists, someone will see it, realise it's a duplicate, and close it as such, pointing you to the open issue. Kind regards Quentin.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 5:29 PM Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@...> wrote:
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Re: NVDA 2020.2 and Word Track Changes: finding the issue in Github
Sylvie Duchateau
Hello Quentin, Sandra and all, Thank your Quentin for noting that the issue already exists. As already noted to Sandra, I had tested on NVDA 2019.2 and 2019.3 and shift+A worked. But as you noted in the issue on Github it does not work with NVDA 2020.2. So my question: in order to avoid duplicated issue what is the best way to find if an issue has already been posted on that subject or not? You will answer, searching in the Github issues, but you have to type the words that were used for the issue. For example, if I look for shift+A does not work, I am not sure that I would find the issue it is related to. Any hints on writing issues and not duplicating? Best Sylvie De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Quentin Christensen via groups.io
Hi Sandra,
GitHub is not difficult to use. You do need to create an account, but that simply requires and email address and password, as most sites do these days.
As it happens though, this isn't actually a new bug, and there is an issue for it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7342
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:06 AM Sandra Pilz <sandra914481@...> wrote:
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Re: Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails
Jarek.Krcmar
Hi Brian, When i used Windows to receive E-mails, I couldn't set it for moving messages to other foldersautomatically, I had to move them manually.
Jarek Dne 04.08.2020 v 17:09 Brian Vogel
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On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:04 AM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
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Re: Idea for an Addon
Daniel Damacena
Well, ebook readers like bookworm or qread have this feature. Em qui., 6 de ago. de 2020 às 00:19, Vaibhav Bhandari <vaibhavbhandari2017@...> escreveu:
Hi all, --
Daniel Damacena
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