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Re: Find On Page
Bob Cavanaugh
Brian,
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What is the difference between browser find and NVDA find? It seems odd to me that control+F does not work in NVDA as expected when I've had no issues with it in any other screen reader. I would suggest a change here, but I have no idea what would need to be changed. On 4/8/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 09:52 PM, Gene wrote:- |
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Re: Find On Page
Gene
It would be interesting to know if the person has used more than one computer. the person said the problem has gone back for years. While I wouldn't think a computer problem would result in this behavior, it still would be good to know.
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From: Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 9:02 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Find On Page On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 09:52 PM, Gene wrote: Control f is not the find command for NVDA. its control NVDA key f.- Indeed, but it appears the questioner has described using browser find (CTRL+F) and NVDA Find (NVDA+CTRL+F) and neither is working as expected. Why that would be, I cannot say, since browser find or NVDA find both work for me (and many others) when either is used, depending on what, exactly one is trying to do. I have suggested trying: The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues as a starting point. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. ~ Richard M. Nixon |
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Re: Find On Page
On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 09:52 PM, Gene wrote:
Control f is not the find command for NVDA. its control NVDA key f.- Indeed, but it appears the questioner has described using browser find (CTRL+F) and NVDA Find (NVDA+CTRL+F) and neither is working as expected. Why that would be, I cannot say, since browser find or NVDA find both work for me (and many others) when either is used, depending on what, exactly one is trying to do. I have suggested trying: The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues as a starting point. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. ~ Richard M. Nixon
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Re: Find On Page
Gene
Control f is not the find command for NVDA. its control NVDA key f. the default NVDA key is the insert using the desktop layout. I believe it also works in the laptop layout.
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the reading position should move to the result. I don't know if this still happens in recent versions, but in old versions of NVDA, at times I have to do a search twice because the first time, the reading position doesn't change properly, if at all. But this happens on and off and if you consistently aren't moved to the proper position, I don't know what is causing the problem. Gene -----Original Message-----
From: Glenn / Lenny Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Find On Page Hi All, A fellow lister suggested that I try this without any add-ons running, but I haven't tried that yet. Here's the issue: I use control + F to find something on a web page or document with Jaws just fine, but that never works with NVDA. I've tried insert + control F too and it does not work. It seems to act as though it did the search, but it does not place me on the page at what I searched for. In fact, this has never worked for me, I'm sure even before I ever installed any addons. I just assumed over the years that maybe NVDA does not do this. When it does work for someone, does it actually move the reading cursor to the spot, or does it say it found something and leave a dialog box open? I don't know if NVDA has done that before, or if it was something else, but I'm expecting the reading cursor to go to the first instance of my search, as Jaws does. Thanks for any help. Glenn |
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Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA
David,
Have you tried object navigation with the brokerage? Pranav |
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Find On Page
K0LNY
Hi All,
A fellow lister suggested that I try this without
any add-ons running, but I haven't tried that yet.
Here's the issue:
I use control + F to find something on a web page
or document with Jaws just fine, but that never works with NVDA.
I've tried insert + control F too and it does not
work.
It seems to act as though it did the search, but it
does not place me on the page at what I searched for.
In fact, this has never worked for me, I'm sure
even before I ever installed any addons.
I just assumed over the years that maybe NVDA does
not do this.
When it does work for someone, does it actually
move the reading cursor to the spot, or does it say it found something and leave
a dialog box open?
I don't know if NVDA has done that before, or if it
was something else, but I'm expecting the reading cursor to go to the first
instance of my search, as Jaws does.
Thanks for any help.
Glenn |
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Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA
Quentin Christensen
I'd also note that the other thing you can do if you do receive the group via digest and want to check on responses to a particular topic, is you can go to the group page and read it there at any time: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Each message also has a "View reply online" link, in the case of the message I'm replying to on this thread: View/Reply Online (#83077): https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/83077 And as others have said - this sounds like a very particular scenario so if it is something which is publicly accessible, if you could share the link, that would really help others to help you. I did reply to the other post you sent on a similar topic, so I'm not sure whether that will help you or not. Kind regards Quentin On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 9:49 AM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote: David, you have talked a few times now, on at least two lists, about this --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess |
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Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA
Quentin Christensen
Hi David, The numpad divide key is the / on the number pad specifically, and the numpad multiply is the * which is next to it. Having a number pad (a block of keys with numbers, and symbols setup very similar to a conventional desktop calculator) is usual on desktop keyboards. With laptop keyboards some do have a number pad (especially those with larger screens) and some don't, which is why NVDA has a desktop keyboard layout and a laptop keyboard layout listed for some commands (some are the same for both). In the case of the mouse keys, there is a different set for desktop layout and laptop layout: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithTheMouse If you are interesting in using the keyboard to move the mouse, there is also a golden cursor add-on to enhance this functionality: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html Also, I would say for the majority of tasks, there should ideally be a better keyboard way of accomplishing it than manipulating the mouse like this - although of course knowing these commands is definitely useful at times as well. Kind regards Quentin. On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 7:47 AM David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...> wrote: Hello NVDA, --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess |
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Re: update on Firefox with NVDA
Bob Cavanaugh
Perhaps I should have explained better. My method was as follows:
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Control+Alt+N to restart NVDA. When that didn't work, I switched windows a few times, then in an attempt to get things to work as expected, started closing Firefox windows. It was around this time I thought my computer had frozen which it has had a tendency to do lately, but before I decided to hard reboot, I fired up Narrator and discovered that pressing Alt+F4 had in fact been closing windows as expected, but NVDA must have crashed as it quit speaking. On 4/8/21, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2021, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:around for a few minutes then crashed. I was only made aware of thisCan you explain that more? To my knowledge, the key sequence to close NVDA, |
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Speaking of Paragraph markers and special symbols in Microsoft Word.
Deenadayalan Moodley
Hi all,
I am working on a rather detailed proofing of various documents and require the non-printable symbols to be spoken. I have enabled this in Microsoft Word by <ctrl+shift+*> and ensure that the display options are checked in the options dialog.
I find that NVDA will not speak the paragraph markers or even the space markers.
I looked at the punctuation and symbols dialog and enabled the paragraph mark to always be sent to the speech synthesizer but, it will not speak. Has anyone come across this issue and found a solution around it?
I tested with JFW and it is spoken and as I use NVDA as my primary screen reader, I would prefer to get this working instead having to switch screen readers just for this purpose.
Any ideas?Thanks.
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[Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
Hi NVDA,
I share the following link with you in the hope it may be helpful alongside the NVDA command key list. I will try these at the brokerage site, webull.com. This site caters mostly to US residents. How to Move the Mouse Cursor with the Keyboard in Windows https://www.computerhope.com › ... › Keyboard Help About this Result Using keyboard shortcut — How to enable/disable Mouse Keys. Using keyboard shortcut; In Windows 10; In Windows 8; In Windows 7, Vista, or XP. Thank you for your time and input: Luke, Brian, Gene. David Russell |
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Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA
Luke Davis
David, you have talked a few times now, on at least two lists, about this brokerage. Can you say which site it is?
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You're getting to the point that help has to be specific. Actually, you were at that point from the beginning, with the license picture question, but we tried our best to give you general advice for your specific situation--an iffy to losing proposition at all times. Try control+enter, or shift+enter. Also try space. Further, you might run the COM registration fixing tool in NVDA's tools menu, which sometimes helps to make certain unusual web controls become accessible, if the reason for their inaccessibility is related to COM registrations being lost. I had this exact problem during a Mercury bank application last year, and this was the solution that finally did the trick for me. Luke On Thu, 8 Apr 2021, David Russell wrote:
I am completing an online application for an online automated brokerage firm. |
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Re: update on Firefox with NVDA
Luke Davis
On Thu, 8 Apr 2021, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
around for a few minutes then crashed. I was only made aware of thisCan you explain that more? To my knowledge, the key sequence to close NVDA, is quite dissimilar to the one for closing Firefox windows. I find your lack of specificity disturbing. :) Luke |
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update on Firefox with NVDA
Bob Cavanaugh
Hi all,
I'm not sure how much this will help track down and squash the bug that's causing computers to bog down when NVDA and Firefox are used together, but I found something this morning that could provide a clue. My machine was being particularly unruly this morning, so I attempted to restart NVDA. Usually, this works flawlessly, but not this time. When I tried to restart, NVDA didn't restart, instead hung around for a few minutes then crashed. I was only made aware of this by firing up Narrator and discovering that I had been closing Firefox windows all along. Bob |
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Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA
Luke Davis
On Thu, 8 Apr 2021, David Russell wrote:
I did consult the NVDA quick reference guide and wonder what is meant byNumpad divide, or numpad forward slash, is the key above numpad 8. Numpad multiply, or numpad asterisk, is the key above numpad 9. Do not forget, that you can always turn on NVDA's key describer mode, or keyboard help, by pressing NVDA+1. That will tell you what all of the numpad keys are, with numlock both on and off. With numlock on, you can also type any of them into notepad or the like, to learn what symbol is actually produced. The numpad, logically, contains the digits, the decimal point, an extra enter key, and the four standard operators: add (+), subtract (-), multiply (*), and divide (/). Illogically, it does not contain the equals sign, but presumably calculating programs of the day when the 101 key PC keyboard was standardized, included an enter-as-equals feature. The designers of the Mac keyboard managed to overcome this oddity, and include an equals sign however, at the cost of shrinking one of the double sized keys. Luke |
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Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA
Gene,
If someone wishes to write it this way, have at it. But we're back to one of those things on which we're likely to never agree. I believe that very common conventions, across many forms of documentation, for referring to number pad keys need to be known by "the average computer user." It is no help to make documentation longer, and more complicated, assuming that this is not something commonly known, in my opinion. Asterisk as the multiply operator and slash as the divide operator predate the PC, and have been in use in that way on many adding machines for decades now, particularly after the PC appeared. Numpad multiply and numpad divide need to be understood under those terms, and I'd rather the rare person who doesn't already know them do what Mr. Russell did and ask. There's nothing wrong with having a very occasional gap in common knowledge and asking to fill it in. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. ~ Richard M. Nixon
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Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA
Gene
That may be but I think the other way to refer to the keys should be given, perhaps in parenthesis. So numpad divide might be listed as numpad divide (slash). I generally see these keys referred to as slash and star, as I recall in discussions on various blind user lists I'm on.
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From: Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 5:22 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Activating the Mouse with NVDA On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 05:47 PM, David Russell wrote: wonder what is meant by commands numpad-divide or numpad-multiply?- Exactly what they say. There are conventions for referring to specific keys on and surrounding the Number Pad as there are on the regular keyboard, and the 4 primary operations are: Multiply - which is always the star/asterisk if you are looking at the character Divide - which is always the slash Plus - self explanatory Minus - also pretty much self explanatory, but one could also say it's the dash/hyphen It is far more conventional to refer to number pad keys by their actual mathematical function, not as though they were alternative ways to enter those four text characters, but you can, of course, use them that way, as they can serve that purpose whether or not number lock is on. The NVDA documentation follows the most common terminology for making reference to those key, by mathematical sign/function. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. ~ Richard M. Nixon |
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Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA
On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 05:47 PM, David Russell wrote:
wonder what is meant by commands numpad-divide or numpad-multiply?- Exactly what they say. There are conventions for referring to specific keys on and surrounding the Number Pad as there are on the regular keyboard, and the 4 primary operations are: Multiply - which is always the star/asterisk if you are looking at the character Divide - which is always the slash Plus - self explanatory Minus - also pretty much self explanatory, but one could also say it's the dash/hyphen It is far more conventional to refer to number pad keys by their actual mathematical function, not as though they were alternative ways to enter those four text characters, but you can, of course, use them that way, as they can serve that purpose whether or not number lock is on. The NVDA documentation follows the most common terminology for making reference to those key, by mathematical sign/function. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. ~ Richard M. Nixon
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[Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
Hello NVDA,
I did consult the NVDA quick reference guide and wonder what is meant by commands numpad-divide or numpad-multiply? If that means the minus or dash key, or the forward slash key, it would have been better to use those descriptives since most keyboards do not come with mathematical keys according to what I have read. Off record, I did receive one response to my query but it was unrelated to the topic. I will check the message summary at the website, and await arrival of my NVDA summary that arrives in about 14 hours time. I am sorry to have caused consternation. -- David C. Russell, Author david.sonofhashem@... PS27:14 Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD. |
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How can I read in nvda the column header in Google Sheet?
Sylwek Piekarski
Hello
How can I read in nvda the column header in Google Sheet? Thank you. greetings Sylwek |
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