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Adding more add-ons to the core

Gene
 

Off and on it is stated that an add-on will be added to the core.  I don’t recall this being discussed before, but since this is the second time in perhaps two years or less that a lot or most add-ons have been made incompatible, it raises the question if more should be added. 
 
How often is this likely to happen and at what point are add-ons going to be more likely to be lost through attrition if developers don’t want to keep updating them?  Perhaps more serious attention should be given to adding more of them to the core. 
 
I know the argument about keeping NVDA small but add-ons don’t take much room and adding many of them to the core wouldn’t make the program bigger to any extent that matters. 
 
Gene


Re: Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

Curtis Delzer
 

thanks Brian!
I want to create a portable version on which I can ins tall add-ons which aren't yet supported.

Curtis Delzer
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On 7/18/2021 2:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Prior versions of NVDA are available for download for quite a while after a given version goes out of support.
NVDA 2020.4 is downloadable using this link: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2020.4/nvda_2020.4.exe <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2020.4/nvda_2020.4.exe>
You can substitute the respective release number in the URL above in the two positions where it occurs and you'll be able to snag another older version instead.
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Detecting if conditional formatting has been applied in Excel

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

With NVDA, is there a way to detect that conditional formatting has been
applied to a cell and or column?

I need to do this because I am applying a series of rules to a column so
need to check that the rules have been applied.

When I navigate to a cell in that column and hit nvda key + f, I do not get
this information.
Pranav


Re: Obtaining Prior Versions of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


https://www.dropbox.com/s/h01hbreajej3zdl/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon?dl=1


Best regards,

Customer support
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 23:25 de 18/07/2021, Curtis Delzer escreveu:

yes. thanks!

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com

On 7/18/2021 3:21 PM, Ru Fontes wrote:
Sorry!

Do you mean to NVDA 2020.4?


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Às 22:12 de 18/07/2021, Curtis Delzer escreveu:
I wish to download the version to just b4 the newest NVDA. Where do I do that?





Re: Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

 

NVDA 2020.4 is downloadable using this link:  https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2020.4/nvda_2020.4.exe
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Re: Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

 

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 06:23 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q75mnyttr34zjpm/EnhancedPhoneticReading_0.5a2_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1
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Rui, thanks much for the updated link and for doing the mod.  Let's hope the original gets an "official update" from its developer.
 
@britechguy
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Re: Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

Curtis Delzer
 

yes. thanks!

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com

On 7/18/2021 3:21 PM, Ru Fontes wrote:
Sorry!
Do you mean to NVDA 2020.4?
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
Às 22:12 de 18/07/2021, Curtis Delzer escreveu:
I wish to download the version to just b4 the newest NVDA. Where do I do that?


Re: Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

Rui Fontes
 

Possibly the link is no more valid...


Here is a new link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q75mnyttr34zjpm/EnhancedPhoneticReading_0.5a2_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


Rui Fontes


Às 22:52 de 18/07/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:

As it happens, Rui Fontes posted a link to his own mod of this add-on to make it 2021.1 compatible during the alpha/beta period of 2021.1.  You should still contact the actual developer of the original add-on.

The message in which Rui gave the dropbox link to his mod is:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/84674 
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Re: Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry!

Do you mean to NVDA 2020.4?


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Às 22:12 de 18/07/2021, Curtis Delzer escreveu:

I wish to download the version to just b4 the newest NVDA. Where do I do that?


Re: Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

 

See also this message in the archive:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/16890 

NVDA has been able to do this natively, but not particularly easily if you're dealing with a lot of characters in succession.  But if it's a very occasional need, you may not even require the add-on.
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Re: Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

 

As it happens, Rui Fontes posted a link to his own mod of this add-on to make it 2021.1 compatible during the alpha/beta period of 2021.1.  You should still contact the actual developer of the original add-on.

The message in which Rui gave the dropbox link to his mod is:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/84674 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Yep.  Discipline.  Accountability.  Joy.  Fun.  Responsibility.

That's what life is about.  And in that order.

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Re: Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

 

You are thinking of one of David CM's add-ons, EnhancedPhoneticReading.

His main GitHub page is:  https://github.com/davidacm and all of his add-ons can be found there.  His email address is:  dhf360@...

The last version of this was released in 2019, so it's not at all likely to be compatible with NVDA 2021.1, though it might be very, very easy for the developer to make it so.

I would contact him about this.
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Re: Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 05:30 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
This is a mystery!  LOL! 
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If you are able, record that voice when it typically occurs, and upload the resultant recording to a file sharing service so that those who wish to can actually listen to it.

There are lots of people who can recognize voice and synth that produces it with great ease, but you have to hear it first.
 
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Re: Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

 

Prior versions of NVDA are available for download for quite a while after a given version goes out of support.

NVDA 2020.4 is downloadable using this link:  https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2020.4/nvda_2020.4.exe

You can substitute the respective release number in the URL above in the two positions where it occurs and you'll be able to snag another older version instead.

 

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Re: Voices With NVDA Question Please.

Pamela Dominguez
 

You say this voice is clear.  Well, it is saying a certain phrase or phrases when the program first comes on.  The question is, will it be as clear when it has to read other things that are not already programmed into it?  Pam.
 

From: janet
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.
 

Gene,

Thank you as well, I’m going to try my best to find out just what is this voice.  The voice I am talking about is very natural as well as clear.  I don’t believe I ever heard a screen reader to sound this natural and clear in the little over 30 years I’ve been using a screen reader.  This is a mystery!  LOL!  The voice I am talking about what ever it is called, also tells me the day, and the time, as well as it says hello at the welcome screen. 

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

I don’t have Windows 10 and I can’t discuss how to use Narrator in that version of Windows.  But there must be a way to find out what voice Narrator is using.  Whether this can be done in Narrator settings itself or in some other way or more than one way, I don’t know.  In the old days, Narrator used the Windows’ default voice.  I don’t know what it uses now. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: janet

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 7:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

Gene,

That’s a good question, I wish I knew.  The voice that comes on my machine is not even close to David or Mark though.  Do you know how I can raise the speech rate on Narrator?  I would like to see just how much more Narrator will sound if I raise the speech rate.  I’m very sure the voice I am talking about and the Narrator voice are very similar. 

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

The next question appears to be how  do you find out which voice Narrator is using.

 

Gene

p-----Original Message-----

From: janet

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

Hi,

No it is not even close to Mark or David.  Although, it does sound very very similar to Narrator.   If that makes any sense, I’m not sure. 

Janet

Janet ,

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

Could it be Microsoft Mark?

 

 

On 7/15/2021 4:28 PM, janet wrote:

Brian,

Ok, I finally got my Laptop turned on, and I tried the voices especially David, and the voice I am talking about and the voice of David, are as different as day and night.  I turned JAWS, NVDA off, and I turned on Narrator, and the voice I am talking about and Narrator sound very very similar.  Could this be possible?

 

Janet  

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

I just installed NVDA 2021.1 and I'll bet my bottom dollar that the voice now used by the installer is Microsoft David, which is a Microsoft OneCore Voice.

I use David as my voice with NVDA, but at a slightly faster rate, and if it's not Microsoft David it's so close that using MS David would probably suit anyone who likes that installer voice.
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Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

Gerardo Corripio
 

2 questions
1.-what’s the name of the addOn that when you put yourself on the letter with the arrows, after waiting a few seconds, it’ll tel you for example P Papa b bravo etc?
And 2.-Is this AddOn compatible yet with NVDA21.1? And if so I can’t seem to find it on the official AddOns page updated.

Gera
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Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

Curtis Delzer
 

I wish to download the version to just b4 the newest NVDA. Where do I do that?

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Curtis Delzer
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K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com


Re: speech rate changes to defaults

 

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 03:39 PM, George Kerscher wrote:
I will report back here if the issue reappears. It has gone away for now, i.e. I can no longer force the behavior.
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First, thank you for such a fine report on your findings, how to force the issue you had, and how you've resolved it.

Please report back even if the issue does not reappear for a period of time where you're reasonably confident that "the fix has taken."  That's valuable information to have, too.  Also, if it should recur at some unspecified point in time in the future, please report that, too, as these things can often have multiple contributing factors.
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Re: speech rate changes to defaults

George Kerscher
 

Hello,

 

I was able to recreate/force the issue. I was in outlook reading an email with a .docx attachment. When I opened the Word file, my rate changed to system defaults. It also changed the rate for the normal configuration, the outlook configuration. When I changed these back to 25, I was not allowed to save the configuration. It said I did not have permission, probably the file is locked.

 

I deleted the WinWord configuration and resaved the outlook and normal default configuration.

 

I suspect that being inside outlook and then running the WinWord configuration somehow confused NVDA.

 

I will report back here if the issue reappears. It has gone away for now, i.e. I can no longer force the behavior.

 

Best

George

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

For accuracy and completeness, I should add that its possible something might go wrong with NVDA and no settings would be saved when they are saved either automatically or manually.  That is very unlikely and since no settings would be saved, that would likely have been discussed if it were the cause of the problem. 

 

Aside from that, the only time I can think of automatic saving not working where manual saving would is if the program crashes on exit.  If it crashes too soon, the automatic savings function might not have run before the crash.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

No.  You said to save the settings manually, which the user did.  the problem occurred after the settings were saved.  You appear to be saying that the automatic save the settings would save the wrong settings after the settngs are manually saved.  It won’t.  When you manually save the settings, the new settings replace the old ones in the configuration file.  Shutting down the machine will not cause old settings to replace the nhhew ones.  They no longer exist.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

So I was right then ,

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Also, the person tried your solution yesterday and the problem recurred. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That is an unsupported assumption. Nothing was said indicating that.  Without asking, you don’t know if that is the case.  Also, if the change occurred while the program is running, the person would, assumedly, reset the incorrect setting. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

But if its set to save automatically on exit  then whatever is causing the settings to be changed is occurring whilst using nvda is running , so when the nvda is set to save on exit then it will save the change at that moment in time

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That will accomplish nothing.  The default behavior of NVDA is to save settings on exit.  So, if the default is being used, any time the program was exited or Windows was shut down, closing the program, the changes would have been saved after they were made.  Manually saving them before closing the program accomplishes nothing but saving them manually, not automatically.  You are just saving them earlier.

 

If the program isn’t set to save automatically, you are manually saving the settings applying your suggestion, so they are being saved either way.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Make sure the option to save configuration on nvda exit is unchecked

Then again set your desired setting and save

 

So whatever happens nvda should start with your saved configuration now

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 17 July 2021 17:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hi,

 

It happened again this morning. My configuration was saved. It seems that only the rate reverts to 9 on the rate setting.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Best

George

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 8:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Try saving the configuration after you have set it to what you want it to be set at

 

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 16 July 2021 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hello,

 

On 2021.1, I will be working and the speech rate changes to the default rate of 9. I have been going to the desktop and then go to the speech preferences and set the rate to 24 or 25, which I like. It then works for a long time until it does this again.

 

Just a bug or any other thoughts? Using Microsoft core voices, because my Eloquence is not working yet.

 

Best

George

 

 

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Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)

 

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 08:56 AM, Martin McCormick wrote:
It's [plain text] a clunky old format but I wish more emails and manuals existed in ASCII text because, while operating systems, computers and the objects they use to process everything come and go, plain text is the one common denominator.
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The problem being that these texts are meant to be read by sighted humans, and plain text is just a horrible, horrible format for that purpose.

These electronic formats that allowed the reproduction of what had been in use for hundreds of years in printed materials came into existence because the primary purpose is ease of reading, including all the information carried by formatting, for the vast majority of readers, who happen to be sighted.  And the conventions used in print media came about because they allow a myriad of things to be communicated with ease using things such as table layouts, italics, different fonts and font sizes, and the list goes on and on and where the visual presentation itself is what aids this.

And, though I'll possibly be excoriated for making this observation, if you are writing anything beyond quick notes or emails or similar you simply have to write for a sighted audience as far as knowing how formatting works, at least if you want to operate in the world at large.  The sighted world is the primary target for written information.  The very medium itself was invented as a visual medium (even though Louis Braille did a brilliant transcription into a tactile medium, but there is a loss of certain meta-content embedded in the visual version when doing so for certain things).

These formats exist because they serve a very vital purpose.  It may not be one that serves you, personally, as an individual, but they still serve a vital purpose for a simply massive audience.
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