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Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

g melconian <gmelconian619@...>

#75929

Yes I am using both NVDA and JAWS. I will see if its there if I use narrator as well.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

Is it there when you go through the items with a screen-reader running?

Gene,

You hit the nail on the head. It does appear when I have NVDA running and does not when I do not.

New Edge does not appear to have Accessibility settings (or at least not under that moniker). Brave does not either, under that or image or describ (I didn't bother completing the word, as that should be enough to get any variant), yet the option for the context menu pops up.

This is the first time I've seen a browser settings be sensitive to whether a screen reader is running at the time or not. This certainly makes sense when it's accessibility settings, though it does pose some dangers in terms of sighted assistants trying to assist by looking on their own machines (which will often not have a screen reader at all - or not one that they know how to run). I'll have to see if this is picked up when running JAWS and Narrator later.

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~ Ruth Marcus, November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

Brian Vogel

#75928

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

Is it there when you go through the items with a screen-reader running?

Gene,

You hit the nail on the head. It does appear when I have NVDA running and does not when I do not.

New Edge does not appear to have Accessibility settings (or at least not under that moniker). Brave does not either, under that or image or describ (I didn't bother completing the word, as that should be enough to get any variant), yet the option for the context menu pops up.

This is the first time I've seen a browser settings be sensitive to whether a screen reader is running at the time or not. This certainly makes sense when it's accessibility settings, though it does pose some dangers in terms of sighted assistants trying to assist by looking on their own machines (which will often not have a screen reader at all - or not one that they know how to run). I'll have to see if this is picked up when running JAWS and Narrator later.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it. The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

~ Ruth Marcus, November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

Brian Vogel

#75927

What's even more interesting is that I cannot get the image description item to come up when bringing up the context menu in Chrome, either. Nor in new Chromium-based Edge.

By contrast, if I do exactly the same thing in Brave, on the same webpage for the same image, a "Get image descriptions from Brave" item appears, and its submenu is "always" and "just once."
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it. The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

~ Ruth Marcus, November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

Gene

#75926

Its on mine as well.  I've turned on and off this feature using the context menu but I don't see why that would cause it not to be available in the advanced settings.  It’s a toggle button.

Is it there when you go through the items with a screen-reader running? While I doubt it, without checking, we don't definitely know if the presence of a screen-reader causes it to be or not be available.

Gene

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-----Original Message----- 
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2020 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 06:15 PM, g melconian wrote:
Bryan what version of chrome do you have.-
As I said in my previous post:  I'm running Chrome Version Version 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)

I'm not doubting it's there for you.  What I'm saying is that it's not there by default, and that you did something, at some point in the past, that causes this to appear.

The only two items in the Accessibility options on my machine, and also on my partner's (and I know he's never touched anything with regard to advanced Chrome settings) are Captions and Add accessibility features - open Chrome web store.  His machine is running exactly the same version of Chrome as mine is, and both report Chrome being up to date with regard to version after doing a check.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

   ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

Brian Vogel

#75925

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 06:15 PM, g melconian wrote:

Bryan what version of chrome do you have.

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As I said in my previous post: I'm running Chrome Version Version 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)

I'm not doubting it's there for you. What I'm saying is that it's not there by default, and that you did something, at some point in the past, that causes this to appear.

The only two items in the Accessibility options on my machine, and also on my partner's (and I know he's never touched anything with regard to advanced Chrome settings) are Captions and Add accessibility features - open Chrome web store. His machine is running exactly the same version of Chrome as mine is, and both report Chrome being up to date with regard to version after doing a check.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it. The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

~ Ruth Marcus, November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

Re: How can I copy, keeping the format of the document in Chrome?

Gene

#75924

I wrote the last step incorrectly, but that's what I meant.  I meant NVDA Space to turn on browse mode again but I wrote NVDA a instead.  I'm glad you caught the error.  I check my messages before I send them but sometimes I don't catch something even when I read it again.

Gene
Gene

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-----Original Message----- 
From: mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2020 5:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I copy, keeping the format of the document in Chrome?



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from mack  gene, concerning retaining  original format when copying in chrome, did you mean, turn off browse mode with NVDA plus spacebar, control A to select all, control C to copy, then turn browse mode back on, thanks

Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

g melconian <gmelconian619@...>

#75923

Bryan what version of chrome do you have.i hav chrome version 84 and its there Just double checked. .

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

Also, you won't find "image description" in those Advanced Accessibility settings unless you do more to get it there via the Chrome Web Store, I'd presume. I know I've never done anything with regard to image description, and it's not there. I can find only one extension in the Web Store that directly references image description in its name, Better Image Descriptions, and another with the cute name, Oh Caption, My Caption.

I'm running Chrome Version Version 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)

If there's some other secret to getting image description in Chrome then more details are needed.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it. The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

~ Ruth Marcus, November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

Re: How can I copy, keeping the format of the document in Chrome?

mcLeod stinnett

#75922

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from mack  gene, concerning retaining  original format when copying in chrome, did you mean, turn off browse mode with NVDA plus spacebar, control A to select all, control C to copy, then turn browse mode back on, thanks

Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

hurrikennyandopo ...

#75921

Hi gene

When it is turned on in google it will do it for the whole page.

it might take a little time to know what they are but is pretty quick.

I used it on tvnz on demand to know what the shows/movies were as these were un labled graphics.

After it was done I jumped down by graphics and I knew what they all were pretty much.

Worth turning on if you have a the google browser.

Gene nz

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On 3/08/2020 9:40 am, Gene wrote:
I don't know what these add-ons do, but Google already furnishes image descriptions.  I don't know what conditions are necessary or if you have to be on the image or just on the page.  I've almost never used the feature. Open the context menu on any web page while using Chrome and you will see an image description submenu if you look through the menu.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2020 4:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

Also, you won't find "image description" in those Advanced Accessibility settings unless you do more to get it there via the Chrome Web Store, I'd presume.   I know I've never done anything with regard to image description, and it's not there.  I can find only one extension in the Web Store that directly references image description in its name, Better Image Descriptions, and another with the cute name, Oh Caption, My Caption.

I'm running Chrome Version Version 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)

If there's some other secret to getting image description in Chrome then more details are needed.

Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

hurrikennyandopo ...

#75920

Hi

if using google chrome do the following and it can also be done in the settings  part.

The easiest way is use the applications key while on a web page then arrow down to get image descriptions from google there is a sub menu that comes off it one is for once and the other is always/

Pick the always one then press the enter key. It will give you a message saying what ever some thing likeit it will need to be sent to google any how just say yes to the pop up and then after that most un labled graphics will be spoken out.

it can also be reversed by turning it off but you will not.

I used it on tvnz on demand to read out all the un labled graphics for the show/movies there and works a treat.

Turn it off none of the show/movies are spoken out.

In this case I had to jump down by graphics to know what they were. as if I just done it by link it just said new episode.

It does not work on every graphic but does a very good job cconsidering AI is used I am told.

Gene nz

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On 3/08/2020 8:24 am, g melconian wrote:
You don’t specifically say where  to look and how to  turn it on. Have to  go into google chrome settings  ,  then to advanced settings , in accessibility settings,  then there   is  image description.   That is either toggle on or off, if its toggled off , then toggle it on.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 8:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

in chrome browser settings, enable image description.

On 02/08/2020, Albert Peters <albertjpeters@...> wrote:
Good Day

Please forgive me if this question has been asked and answered previously.

I've received an e-mail newsletter with a graph in the body which, I
suppose, may be the contents.  NVDA simply announces "blank".-

Kindly advise me as to how I may convert this graphic so that NVDA can
read it to me, please.

Thanks in advance for all advice  offered.

Warm regards.

Albert

South Africa

Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

Gene

#75919

I don't know what these add-ons do, but Google already furnishes image descriptions.  I don't know what conditions are necessary or if you have to be on the image or just on the page.  I've almost never used the feature. Open the context menu on any web page while using Chrome and you will see an image description submenu if you look through the menu.

Gene

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-----Original Message----- 
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2020 4:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

Also, you won't find "image description" in those Advanced Accessibility settings unless you do more to get it there via the Chrome Web Store, I'd presume.   I know I've never done anything with regard to image description, and it's not there.  I can find only one extension in the Web Store that directly references image description in its name, Better Image Descriptions, and another with the cute name, Oh Caption, My Caption.

I'm running Chrome Version Version 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)

If there's some other secret to getting image description in Chrome then more details are needed.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

   ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

Brian Vogel

#75918

Also, you won't find "image description" in those Advanced Accessibility settings unless you do more to get it there via the Chrome Web Store, I'd presume. I know I've never done anything with regard to image description, and it's not there. I can find only one extension in the Web Store that directly references image description in its name, Better Image Descriptions, and another with the cute name, Oh Caption, My Caption.

I'm running Chrome Version Version 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)

If there's some other secret to getting image description in Chrome then more details are needed.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it. The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

~ Ruth Marcus, November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

g melconian <gmelconian619@...>

#75917

You don’t specifically say where  to look and how to  turn it on. Have to  go into google chrome settings  ,  then to advanced settings , in accessibility settings,  then there   is  image description.   That is either toggle on or off, if its toggled off , then toggle it on.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 8:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

in chrome browser settings, enable image description.

On 02/08/2020, Albert Peters <albertjpeters@...> wrote:
Good Day

Please forgive me if this question has been asked and answered previously.

I've received an e-mail newsletter with a graph in the body which, I 
suppose, may be the contents.  NVDA simply announces "blank".-

Kindly advise me as to how I may convert this graphic so that NVDA can 
read it to me, please.

Thanks in advance for all advice  offered.

Warm regards.

Albert

South Africa

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Re: gold wave add on

Gene

#75916

The fastest and easiest way to see what is available is to do a Google search for NVDA and the name of the add-on.  I did a search for NVDA Gold Wave Add-on and found this page as the first result:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldwave.en.html

Gene

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-----Original Message----- 
From: Kerryn Gunness via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2020 1:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] gold wave add on


guys
does NVDA have a latest add on for g w with the latest nvda?
thanks

gold wave add on

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>

#75915

guys

does NVDA have a latest add on for g w with the latest nvda?

thanks

Re: Community add-ons notice: Image Describer by Oliver Edholm is hereby deprecated and will be removed from community add-ons website this week

Joseph Lee

#75914

Hi,
It is free, but it relies on accessing a service that the developer has paid access. 
Cheers,
Joseph

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 10:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Community add-ons notice: Image Describer by Oliver Edholm is hereby deprecated and will be removed from community add-ons website this week

hi joseph.
do you mean that this addon is not free?
should we pay money to use it?
and which versions of nvda does it support?

On 8/2/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hello everyone,

Attention all Image Describer add-on users: if you are using Image 
Describer developed by Oliver Edholm, this is to inform you that this 
add-on is hereby declared "deprecated" by the NVDA add-ons community. 
Efforts by users to contact Oliver was unsuccessful, and the payment 
service which allowed image recognition (the core of the add-on) to 
work isn't working anymore.

Therefore Image Describer add-on is hereby deprecated. Please 
uninstall this add-on, and sometime this week, Image Describer add-on 
itself will be removed from community add-ons website. The next 
version of Add-on updater will not check for Image Describer updates 
and will tell you to uninstall the add-on (all coming with the next 
version of Add-on Updater).

Cheers,

Joseph

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Community add-ons notice: Image Describer by Oliver Edholm is hereby deprecated and will be removed from community add-ons website this week

zahra

#75913

hi joseph.
do you mean that this addon is not free?
should we pay money to use it?
and which versions of nvda does it support?

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On 8/2/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hello everyone,



Attention all Image Describer add-on users: if you are using Image
Describer
developed by Oliver Edholm, this is to inform you that this add-on is
hereby
declared "deprecated" by the NVDA add-ons community. Efforts by users to
contact Oliver was unsuccessful, and the payment service which allowed
image
recognition (the core of the add-on) to work isn't working anymore.

Therefore Image Describer add-on is hereby deprecated. Please uninstall
this
add-on, and sometime this week, Image Describer add-on itself will be
removed from community add-ons website. The next version of Add-on updater
will not check for Image Describer updates and will tell you to uninstall
the add-on (all coming with the next version of Add-on Updater).

Cheers,

Joseph

-- 
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Free Tutorials for using NVDA with MS Office Word, PowerPoint and Excel

soloman s

#75912

Sir,
Thank you very much indeed.

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On 8/2/20, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@...> wrote:
On 8/1/2020 5:38 AM, soloman s wrote:
Hello all,

Could someone share tutorials for Word, Excel and PowerPoint using NVDA?
It will be helpful if you could direct me to links/resources.
I am looking for free resources.
Hi,


Go to http://www.accessibilitycentral.net there are all kinds of
materials on NVDA available for free.  Hope this helps.


Tony

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Re: Avanquest - SoftMaker Office 2018 Professional and NVDA

Greg Wocher

#75911

Hello,
I tried this software out a few years ago and it was totally inaccessible then. I have also tried it with JAWS and no luck. I am not sure if it has improved at all over the last few years though.

Greg Wocher

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On Aug 2, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

Does anyone have any experiences with using Avanquest - SoftMaker Office 2018 Professional  with NVDA on a Win 10 system.  Just noticed this office suite on sale at Best Buy for $74.  You tube says it is very similar to Microsoft Office but that doesn't mean it would work with NVDA.  So if you have any experiences using this software please give your opinion as to its usefullness with NVDA.

Thanks

Re: Bluetooth Audio Addon Not Functioning?

Gene

#75910

Try Silenzio.  It’s a small utility that generates inaudible signals to keep speakers sound cards from timing out when there is no signal, as some do. It will probably solve the Blue Tooth time out problem as well.
Silenzio.
http://www.stefankiss.sk/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=112

Try running the setup file and then if there is anything else to do, such as run the installed utility, do so.  Let us know if there are problems or if you have questions.
To read a little about it, perhaps containing mor exact instructions, I haven't read the material, go to this page and you will see a discussion of the timeout problems and various solutions, including this one.
https://mosen.org/blog/

Gene

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-----Original Message----- 
From: Jesse Farquharson
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2020 9:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Bluetooth Audio Addon Not Functioning?

Hello folks,

I normally don't write to the list here but I am running across something that is driving me mad.

So, I use hearing aides by Phonak. I have the Phonak CommPilot, a bluetooth audio device that transmits audio from say, my iPhone, directly into my hearing aides, connected to the laptop.

To be blunt, if I want to use my computer, at all, I have to have something streaming, be in a music file or something else. Otherwise, my bluetooth device kicks in... irratically. For some reason, it seems to start,, then stop sending audio immediately after I press a key, kick in again, then cut out as soon as NVDA stops speaking. I have Tony's Bluettoth addon on and running, and I have its standby time at a minute, but is having no affect whatsoever.

Can anyone help?