Thank you.  It would be interesting to know how many blind people are beta testers of various programs. 

Gene

On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 12:56 PM, Gene wrote:

I was responding to Sarah because even if she is right about many developers, Thunderbird developers have shown themselves responsive. 

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You are correct.  I really thought I had expanded the bottom-quoted part of that message and thought it was in response to one of mine.  I always try to check this before posting, as that's how I figure out whether to respond at all in many cases.

I must not have had my second cup of coffee yet and got careless.  My apologies.  (I still stand by what I stated earlier, but it should not have been directed at you.)
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Brian - Virginia, USA  - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045  

There are many people who can only make themselves feel better about themselves by making themselves feel better than others.

    ~ Commenter Looking_in on the Washington Post, 7/10/2014

On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 12:56 PM, Gene wrote:

I was responding to Sarah because even if she is right about many developers, Thunderbird developers have shown themselves responsive. 

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You are correct.  I really thought I had expanded the bottom-quoted part of that message and thought it was in response to one of mine.  I always try to check this before posting, as that's how I figure out whether to respond at all in many cases.

I must not have had my second cup of coffee yet and got careless.  My apologies.  (I still stand by what I stated earlier, but it should not have been directed at you.)
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Brian - Virginia, USA  - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045  

There are many people who can only make themselves feel better about themselves by making themselves feel better than others.

    ~ Commenter Looking_in on the Washington Post, 7/10/2014

I wonder what others will report. 

Gene

On 10/29/2022 12:40 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:

I must be missing something here. I'm seeing all these messages saying the status bar problem has been fixed but I haven't been able to use it for quite a while now.I just updated to 102.4.1 and I still can't find status bar with NVDA at all.  The progress beeps did come back very quickly but for me, the status bar just isn't there. I checked in the view menu and status bar is checked so if it were there, NVDA should be able to see it but it isn't.  I'm using latest stable version of NVDA and Win 10 with latest updates installed. 

Roger

On 10/29/2022 11:56 AM, Gene wrote:

I was responding to Sarah because even if she is right about many developers, Thunderbird developers have shown themselves responsive. 

If developers are unresponsive, it would probably be a waste of time, but in cases where companies repeatedly release new versions of software with serious accessibility problems, then solve them once they are pointed out, I wonder if there are blind people beta testing or testing earlier releases so the company might address the problems before release.

Gene

On 10/29/2022 11:18 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 11:43 AM, Gene wrote:

But I'm talking specifically about Thunderbird.

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So what?

What I brought up applies to Thunderbird or any other piece of software.   Accessibility testing is best accomplished in real-world conditions, so getting blind beta testers out there who are casual users, not people who test for money, and way more of them would be a very good thing indeed.  And that involves just taking it upon yourself to grab betas of things you use, use 'em, and report issues, regardless of product.
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Brian - Virginia, USA  - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045  

There are many people who can only make themselves feel better about themselves by making themselves feel better than others.

    ~ Commenter Looking_in on the Washington Post, 7/10/2014

I must be missing something here. I'm seeing all these messages saying the status bar problem has been fixed but I haven't been able to use it for quite a while now.I just updated to 102.4.1 and I still can't find status bar with NVDA at all.  The progress beeps did come back very quickly but for me, the status bar just isn't there. I checked in the view menu and status bar is checked so if it were there, NVDA should be able to see it but it isn't.  I'm using latest stable version of NVDA and Win 10 with latest updates installed. 

Roger

On 10/29/2022 11:56 AM, Gene wrote:

I was responding to Sarah because even if she is right about many developers, Thunderbird developers have shown themselves responsive. 

If developers are unresponsive, it would probably be a waste of time, but in cases where companies repeatedly release new versions of software with serious accessibility problems, then solve them once they are pointed out, I wonder if there are blind people beta testing or testing earlier releases so the company might address the problems before release.

Gene

On 10/29/2022 11:18 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 11:43 AM, Gene wrote:

But I'm talking specifically about Thunderbird.

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So what?

What I brought up applies to Thunderbird or any other piece of software.   Accessibility testing is best accomplished in real-world conditions, so getting blind beta testers out there who are casual users, not people who test for money, and way more of them would be a very good thing indeed.  And that involves just taking it upon yourself to grab betas of things you use, use 'em, and report issues, regardless of product.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA  - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045  

There are many people who can only make themselves feel better about themselves by making themselves feel better than others.

    ~ Commenter Looking_in on the Washington Post, 7/10/2014

I was responding to Sarah because even if she is right about many developers, Thunderbird developers have shown themselves responsive. 

If developers are unresponsive, it would probably be a waste of time, but in cases where companies repeatedly release new versions of software with serious accessibility problems, then solve them once they are pointed out, I wonder if there are blind people beta testing or testing earlier releases so the company might address the problems before release.

Gene

On 10/29/2022 11:18 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 11:43 AM, Gene wrote:

But I'm talking specifically about Thunderbird.

-
So what?

What I brought up applies to Thunderbird or any other piece of software.   Accessibility testing is best accomplished in real-world conditions, so getting blind beta testers out there who are casual users, not people who test for money, and way more of them would be a very good thing indeed.  And that involves just taking it upon yourself to grab betas of things you use, use 'em, and report issues, regardless of product.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA  - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045  

There are many people who can only make themselves feel better about themselves by making themselves feel better than others.

    ~ Commenter Looking_in on the Washington Post, 7/10/2014

On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 11:43 AM, Gene wrote:

But I'm talking specifically about Thunderbird.

-
So what?

What I brought up applies to Thunderbird or any other piece of software.   Accessibility testing is best accomplished in real-world conditions, so getting blind beta testers out there who are casual users, not people who test for money, and way more of them would be a very good thing indeed.  And that involves just taking it upon yourself to grab betas of things you use, use 'em, and report issues, regardless of product.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA  - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045  

There are many people who can only make themselves feel better about themselves by making themselves feel better than others.

    ~ Commenter Looking_in on the Washington Post, 7/10/2014

But I'm talking specifically about Thunderbird.  When a production version came out with the status line problem it was quickly discovered and discussed here.  It has been fixed a reasonable time after the discussion so developers have shown themselves to be responsive.
The incident raises the question of how many blind people are beta testers or earlier release testers.

While I don't think serious accessibility problems will be introduced into Thunderbird, having some blind people beta testing or earlier release testing would catch such problems before production releases.

Gene

Often it does not matter how many blind people test, it matters however if developers are receptive to change, which sadly, most are still not.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 7:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

 

Here is an update of an old thread.  In recent updates of Thunderbird, the status line is again read without using the add-on to correct the problem.  This is a point of interest because it demonstrates that whomever is responsible for correcting accessibility problems in Thunderbird corrected it.

I wonder how many blind people test the newest releases or betas of Thunderbird to alert the developers to problems before versions are released with problems?

Gene

Often it does not matter how many blind people test, it matters however if developers are receptive to change, which sadly, most are still not.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 7:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

 

Here is an update of an old thread.  In recent updates of Thunderbird, the status line is again read without using the add-on to correct the problem.  This is a point of interest because it demonstrates that whomever is responsible for correcting accessibility problems in Thunderbird corrected it.

I wonder how many blind people test the newest releases or betas of Thunderbird to alert the developers to problems before versions are released with problems?

Gene

Here is an update of an old thread.  In recent updates of Thunderbird, the status line is again read without using the add-on to correct the problem.  This is a point of interest because it demonstrates that whomever is responsible for correcting accessibility problems in Thunderbird corrected it.

I wonder how many blind people test the newest releases or betas of Thunderbird to alert the developers to problems before versions are released with problems?

Gene

Sarah,

What is this chat group you’re talking about, and how do I find it? Thanks for the tip, really appreciate it.

You will need to use obs. Accessibility has gotten a lot better, I now use it as my daily driver when I’m streaming. I did have a video glitch, however that was my fault.

Feel free to ask questions in the chat group on how to use it.

Tc.

Sarah Alawami: owner of flying blind.  Read my story at http://flyingblind.us.

Hello all,

I’m hoping this is the right place to post this, but I’m looking for some recommendations for streaming software that works well with NVDa. I have a play station 5, and want to broadcast my game play to services like Twitch, youtube, facebook live, and other platforms but I’m not sure what streaming software works well with NVDA. I heard OBS Studio is somewhat accessible, and it’s doable to use but if there is any other accessible streaming software that might be better than OBS studio, please feel free to let me know.

Thanks.

I agree with sarah. OBS works well with NVDA. I have been streaming live music on Facebook with it since early 2019 with very good results.

George

Hello all,

 

I’m hoping this is the right place to post this, but I’m looking for some recommendations for streaming software that works well with NVDa. I have a play station 5, and want to broadcast my game play to services like Twitch, youtube, facebook live, and other platforms but I’m not sure what streaming software works well with NVDA. I heard OBS Studio is somewhat accessible, and it’s doable to use but if there is any other accessible streaming software that might be better than OBS studio, please feel free to let me know.

 

Thanks.

You will need to use obs. Accessibility has gotten a lot better, I now use it as my daily driver when I’m streaming. I did have a video glitch, however that was my fault.

Feel free to ask questions in the chat group on how to use it.

Tc.

Sarah Alawami: owner of flying blind.  Read my story at http://flyingblind.us.

Hello all,

I’m hoping this is the right place to post this, but I’m looking for some recommendations for streaming software that works well with NVDa. I have a play station 5, and want to broadcast my game play to services like Twitch, youtube, facebook live, and other platforms but I’m not sure what streaming software works well with NVDA. I heard OBS Studio is somewhat accessible, and it’s doable to use but if there is any other accessible streaming software that might be better than OBS studio, please feel free to let me know.

Thanks.