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Re: code factory voices addon

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

Hi Gene.

Other screen-reader companies purchase the licensing to use the
voices. NVDA is a free screen-reader. The user purchases his/her own
license. A screen-reader and the synthesizer are separate products.
I have no issue paying for the SAPI5 Vocalizer voices.. According to your logic, my purchase buys me a license that I can use with any screen reader. So, why the $69 for the NVDA addon?


Orlando Enrique Fiol


Re: code factory voices addon

Gene
 

Other screen-reader companies purchase the licensing to use the voices.  NVDA is a free screen-reader.  The user purchases his/her own license.  A screen-reader and the synthesizer are separate products. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2019 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] code factory voices addon

How odd that a free, open source screen reader requires a paid addon
for the "privilege" of using paid Vocalizer voices that work as a
SAPI5 TTS for all other screen readers! Can someone explain that logic to me?
.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer
and Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: ofiol@...        




Re: braille on user account control screens?

Jackie
 

In the 'Preferences > General Settings', have you tried pressing the
'Use currently saved settings on the logon and other secure screens'
button?

On 8/2/19, David Csercsics <bleeblat@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there a way to get NVDA to read user account control screens with a
braille display? It works on the log on screen, but the UAC prompts just
show up as "Secure Desktop" in braille. So I have to pick up my keyboard
and speech for that. Not a huge deal for me personally, but someone
needing braille only would run into trouble unless I miss something.




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Re: code factory voices addon

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

How odd that a free, open source screen reader requires a paid addon for the "privilege" of using paid Vocalizer voices that work as a SAPI5 TTS for all other screen readers! Can someone explain that logic to me?
.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: ofiol@verizon.net


braille on user account control screens?

David Csercsics
 

Is there a way to get NVDA to read user account control screens with a braille display? It works on the log on screen, but the UAC prompts just show up as "Secure Desktop" in braille. So I have to pick up my keyboard and speech for that. Not a huge deal for me personally, but someone needing braille only would run into trouble unless I miss something.


Re: Is there a way to set NVDA 2019.2-RC1 to exit focus mode in Skype?

Gene
 

Also, if you want automatic switching in general, you could leave the setting as it is and set up a profile when Skype runs that turns it off for Skype. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there a way to set NVDA 2019.2-RC1 to exit focus mode in Skype?

The problem may be that the screen-reader is going into forms mode automatically and you are putting it back in browse mode where it works properly with the program.  I don’t want NVDA to automatically change modes and I turn the feature off.  If you do that, you may not have to do anything after you open the program.  You will have to go into forms mode when you want to manually.  You can see which you prefer.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
will move the cursor, but only within a
block. So if I'm on a message it will move within that message, but if I
get to the edit field it will only move in that. I still have to hit
NVDA-space to get the arrows to move through all of Skype normally. This
is Skype 8 desktop, specifically Skype 8.50. It's not a big deal if
there's no way to change it, it's just annoying because it's something i
have to stop and do every time I open skype for the first time after I boot.


Re: NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

Gene
 

I don't use Youtube that much but it seems as though Grammarlee, (spelling) is almost their only sponsor.  And those ads can't be skipped and it’s the same add for Grammarlee repeatedly.
 
Gene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

I’ve seen a lot of adds lately that can’t be skipped.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 8:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

There are ads that can be skipped and ads that can't.  You only see the button when you can skip the ad.  It isn't displayed otherwise. 

 

The person reporting the problem sees the button on ads that can be skipped but the text that says skip ads isn't read.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 6:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Sometimes I do see skip add button.  It doesn’t matter what screen reader I use. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: August 2, 2019 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I don't think that is the reason for the problem.  the person said he/she, I don't remember who posed the problem, used to find the button.  I can find it but I'm using an old version of NVDA.  It seems to me that the question is how many other people no longer see the button announced as skip ads.  The problem may be on that specific machine or affect only a small number of users, but when someone says that they no longer see text displayed on a button and just hear clickable, that means that the person is still seeing the button and that if the screen-reader were reading text, it would be read. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 3:52 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I believe they are putting rubbish on the screen.  I don’t go there often.  I go there for songs.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: August 2, 2019 3:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Maybe YouTube is putting more rubbish on the screen?  I'm not sure, as I say I have a subscription so don't usually get ads.  I could definitely find it when I logged out and played videos, although yes, you have to trudge past a few things to find it.  The best workaround I can suggest is a YouTube premium (or YouTube Music, or whatever they're calling it this week) subscription.

 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:23 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  I am aware of all that, but the "skip ad" button has been relatively harder to detect lately, hence my post.

On 8/1/2019 6:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I just tried, and I can find the button, pretty much exactly the same ways as in Firefox.

 

Note that YouTube has a few different ways of showing ads.  The ones which have the "Skip ad" button, tend to be ones which play for five seconds or so first (with a count down timer where the Skip Ad button would be) before the Skip Ad button is shown.  If you are quick off the mark, and try to find the button before this point, you may not be able to.

 

The ads in this case are often a couple of minutes long.  YouTube sometimes shows other ads which are 30 seconds or so, and for some of these ads, it doesn't offer a facility to skip the ad, but rather shows a message saying that your video will play (or resume) after the ad.  In that case there is no Skip ad button either.

 

Are you sure the ads you are seeing do in fact have skip ad buttons?

 

I didn't try with NVDA 2019.1.1, but only NVDA 2019.2 rc1, I'm not sure if that makes a difference of the top of my head: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/

 

I was using Chrome Version 75.0.3770.142 (Official Build) (64-bit) I noticed when I just checked that it decided there was an update, but I don't think this build was that old.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:31 PM Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

What I've faced so far?

 

If I wish NVDA to recognize the skip ad button, I switch to the focus mode and tab and/or shift tab to find and activate the button, for there are cases when NVDA does not recognize the very button we're talking about when in the browse mode.

 

Dejan

On 01/08/2019 10:23, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Hi Quentin.  I have been using Chrome for quite a while and so i can't tell you if Chrome is the culprit or not since  the button is still seen by  JFW.  For me at least, NVDA seems to no longer read the button correctly since the early 2019 version, so if it was a chrome or youtube update, won't JFW face the same issue then?  The "Clickable" word to me is not an issue for me right now as I depend upon it to tell me that I am on the "Skip ad" button.  Cheers.

On 8/1/2019 2:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Jaffar,

 

Can you confirm whether the issue is with newer versions of NVDA, or recent updates to YouTube (or your browser)?

 

Looking at YouTube in FireFox 68.0.1 with NVDA 2019.2rc1, I can see a "Clickable skip ad" button when there is an ad showing.  You can either get to it with tab or b (or shift+tab or shift+b), or you can do an NVDA search for "skip" is usually enough to find it.


For the "clickable" part, if you don't want clickable announced, you can turn that off in NVDA's document settings (NVDA+control+d)

 

I must admit, I have a YouTube subscription so I haven't seen ads in awhile to know if that behaviour has changed lately.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 3:52 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  Not so long ago, with the previous versions, the "Skip ad" button
on youtube could be read by NVDA.  Now however, the newer versions of
NVDA seem to read that particular button just as "Clickable".  It is
rather unfortunate that one has to navigate to the slider which allows
us to skip a video back or forward, then arrow up to the "clickable"
button immediately above the slider to activate it.  The "Skip ad"
button is still recognized by JFW as usual.  Perhaps I am missing
something?  Just letting the NVDA team know.  Cheers!


 

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Re: Is there a way to set NVDA 2019.2-RC1 to exit focus mode in Skype?

Gene
 

The problem may be that the screen-reader is going into forms mode automatically and you are putting it back in browse mode where it works properly with the program.  I don’t want NVDA to automatically change modes and I turn the feature off.  If you do that, you may not have to do anything after you open the program.  You will have to go into forms mode when you want to manually.  You can see which you prefer.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
will move the cursor, but only within a
block. So if I'm on a message it will move within that message, but if I
get to the edit field it will only move in that. I still have to hit
NVDA-space to get the arrows to move through all of Skype normally. This
is Skype 8 desktop, specifically Skype 8.50. It's not a big deal if
there's no way to change it, it's just annoying because it's something i
have to stop and do every time I open skype for the first time after I boot.


Re: NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

molly the blind tech lover
 

I’ve seen a lot of adds lately that can’t be skipped.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 8:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

There are ads that can be skipped and ads that can't.  You only see the button when you can skip the ad.  It isn't displayed otherwise. 

 

The person reporting the problem sees the button on ads that can be skipped but the text that says skip ads isn't read.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 6:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Sometimes I do see skip add button.  It doesn’t matter what screen reader I use. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: August 2, 2019 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I don't think that is the reason for the problem.  the person said he/she, I don't remember who posed the problem, used to find the button.  I can find it but I'm using an old version of NVDA.  It seems to me that the question is how many other people no longer see the button announced as skip ads.  The problem may be on that specific machine or affect only a small number of users, but when someone says that they no longer see text displayed on a button and just hear clickable, that means that the person is still seeing the button and that if the screen-reader were reading text, it would be read. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 3:52 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I believe they are putting rubbish on the screen.  I don’t go there often.  I go there for songs.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: August 2, 2019 3:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Maybe YouTube is putting more rubbish on the screen?  I'm not sure, as I say I have a subscription so don't usually get ads.  I could definitely find it when I logged out and played videos, although yes, you have to trudge past a few things to find it.  The best workaround I can suggest is a YouTube premium (or YouTube Music, or whatever they're calling it this week) subscription.

 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:23 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  I am aware of all that, but the "skip ad" button has been relatively harder to detect lately, hence my post.

On 8/1/2019 6:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I just tried, and I can find the button, pretty much exactly the same ways as in Firefox.

 

Note that YouTube has a few different ways of showing ads.  The ones which have the "Skip ad" button, tend to be ones which play for five seconds or so first (with a count down timer where the Skip Ad button would be) before the Skip Ad button is shown.  If you are quick off the mark, and try to find the button before this point, you may not be able to.

 

The ads in this case are often a couple of minutes long.  YouTube sometimes shows other ads which are 30 seconds or so, and for some of these ads, it doesn't offer a facility to skip the ad, but rather shows a message saying that your video will play (or resume) after the ad.  In that case there is no Skip ad button either.

 

Are you sure the ads you are seeing do in fact have skip ad buttons?

 

I didn't try with NVDA 2019.1.1, but only NVDA 2019.2 rc1, I'm not sure if that makes a difference of the top of my head: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/

 

I was using Chrome Version 75.0.3770.142 (Official Build) (64-bit) I noticed when I just checked that it decided there was an update, but I don't think this build was that old.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:31 PM Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

What I've faced so far?

 

If I wish NVDA to recognize the skip ad button, I switch to the focus mode and tab and/or shift tab to find and activate the button, for there are cases when NVDA does not recognize the very button we're talking about when in the browse mode.

 

Dejan

On 01/08/2019 10:23, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Hi Quentin.  I have been using Chrome for quite a while and so i can't tell you if Chrome is the culprit or not since  the button is still seen by  JFW.  For me at least, NVDA seems to no longer read the button correctly since the early 2019 version, so if it was a chrome or youtube update, won't JFW face the same issue then?  The "Clickable" word to me is not an issue for me right now as I depend upon it to tell me that I am on the "Skip ad" button.  Cheers.

On 8/1/2019 2:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Jaffar,

 

Can you confirm whether the issue is with newer versions of NVDA, or recent updates to YouTube (or your browser)?

 

Looking at YouTube in FireFox 68.0.1 with NVDA 2019.2rc1, I can see a "Clickable skip ad" button when there is an ad showing.  You can either get to it with tab or b (or shift+tab or shift+b), or you can do an NVDA search for "skip" is usually enough to find it.


For the "clickable" part, if you don't want clickable announced, you can turn that off in NVDA's document settings (NVDA+control+d)

 

I must admit, I have a YouTube subscription so I haven't seen ads in awhile to know if that behaviour has changed lately.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 3:52 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  Not so long ago, with the previous versions, the "Skip ad" button
on youtube could be read by NVDA.  Now however, the newer versions of
NVDA seem to read that particular button just as "Clickable".  It is
rather unfortunate that one has to navigate to the slider which allows
us to skip a video back or forward, then arrow up to the "clickable"
button immediately above the slider to activate it.  The "Skip ad"
button is still recognized by JFW as usual.  Perhaps I am missing
something?  Just letting the NVDA team know.  Cheers!


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 

 

 


Re: code factory voices addon

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi

Are there 2 vocalizer add-ons? I

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 11:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] codefactory voices addon

 

not sure. I hope so. But I just bought both codeFactory eloquence vocalizer nvda-addon license, and vocalizer sapi5 license, and I am patiently waiting for my license keys to arrive. I already own two sapi5 eloquence keys, and I back up my important order information onto google drive so I do not lose it. I bought sapi5 vocalizer so I can have some good voices for audio games. But I am on a tablet with limited storage so when I install vocalizer voices I will install the smaller voices which are about 60mb per voice, rather than the full voice which is around 300mb per voice. 

Josh


Re: NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

Gene
 

There are ads that can be skipped and ads that can't.  You only see the button when you can skip the ad.  It isn't displayed otherwise. 
 
The person reporting the problem sees the button on ads that can be skipped but the text that says skip ads isn't read.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

Sometimes I do see skip add button.  It doesn’t matter what screen reader I use. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: August 2, 2019 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I don't think that is the reason for the problem.  the person said he/she, I don't remember who posed the problem, used to find the button.  I can find it but I'm using an old version of NVDA.  It seems to me that the question is how many other people no longer see the button announced as skip ads.  The problem may be on that specific machine or affect only a small number of users, but when someone says that they no longer see text displayed on a button and just hear clickable, that means that the person is still seeing the button and that if the screen-reader were reading text, it would be read. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 3:52 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I believe they are putting rubbish on the screen.  I don’t go there often.  I go there for songs.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: August 2, 2019 3:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Maybe YouTube is putting more rubbish on the screen?  I'm not sure, as I say I have a subscription so don't usually get ads.  I could definitely find it when I logged out and played videos, although yes, you have to trudge past a few things to find it.  The best workaround I can suggest is a YouTube premium (or YouTube Music, or whatever they're calling it this week) subscription.

 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:23 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  I am aware of all that, but the "skip ad" button has been relatively harder to detect lately, hence my post.

On 8/1/2019 6:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I just tried, and I can find the button, pretty much exactly the same ways as in Firefox.

 

Note that YouTube has a few different ways of showing ads.  The ones which have the "Skip ad" button, tend to be ones which play for five seconds or so first (with a count down timer where the Skip Ad button would be) before the Skip Ad button is shown.  If you are quick off the mark, and try to find the button before this point, you may not be able to.

 

The ads in this case are often a couple of minutes long.  YouTube sometimes shows other ads which are 30 seconds or so, and for some of these ads, it doesn't offer a facility to skip the ad, but rather shows a message saying that your video will play (or resume) after the ad.  In that case there is no Skip ad button either.

 

Are you sure the ads you are seeing do in fact have skip ad buttons?

 

I didn't try with NVDA 2019.1.1, but only NVDA 2019.2 rc1, I'm not sure if that makes a difference of the top of my head: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/

 

I was using Chrome Version 75.0.3770.142 (Official Build) (64-bit) I noticed when I just checked that it decided there was an update, but I don't think this build was that old.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:31 PM Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

What I've faced so far?

 

If I wish NVDA to recognize the skip ad button, I switch to the focus mode and tab and/or shift tab to find and activate the button, for there are cases when NVDA does not recognize the very button we're talking about when in the browse mode.

 

Dejan

On 01/08/2019 10:23, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Hi Quentin.  I have been using Chrome for quite a while and so i can't tell you if Chrome is the culprit or not since  the button is still seen by  JFW.  For me at least, NVDA seems to no longer read the button correctly since the early 2019 version, so if it was a chrome or youtube update, won't JFW face the same issue then?  The "Clickable" word to me is not an issue for me right now as I depend upon it to tell me that I am on the "Skip ad" button.  Cheers.

On 8/1/2019 2:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Jaffar,

 

Can you confirm whether the issue is with newer versions of NVDA, or recent updates to YouTube (or your browser)?

 

Looking at YouTube in FireFox 68.0.1 with NVDA 2019.2rc1, I can see a "Clickable skip ad" button when there is an ad showing.  You can either get to it with tab or b (or shift+tab or shift+b), or you can do an NVDA search for "skip" is usually enough to find it.


For the "clickable" part, if you don't want clickable announced, you can turn that off in NVDA's document settings (NVDA+control+d)

 

I must admit, I have a YouTube subscription so I haven't seen ads in awhile to know if that behaviour has changed lately.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 3:52 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  Not so long ago, with the previous versions, the "Skip ad" button
on youtube could be read by NVDA.  Now however, the newer versions of
NVDA seem to read that particular button just as "Clickable".  It is
rather unfortunate that one has to navigate to the slider which allows
us to skip a video back or forward, then arrow up to the "clickable"
button immediately above the slider to activate it.  The "Skip ad"
button is still recognized by JFW as usual.  Perhaps I am missing
something?  Just letting the NVDA team know.  Cheers!



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

Arlene
 

Sometimes I do see skip add button.  It doesn’t matter what screen reader I use. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: August 2, 2019 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I don't think that is the reason for the problem.  the person said he/she, I don't remember who posed the problem, used to find the button.  I can find it but I'm using an old version of NVDA.  It seems to me that the question is how many other people no longer see the button announced as skip ads.  The problem may be on that specific machine or affect only a small number of users, but when someone says that they no longer see text displayed on a button and just hear clickable, that means that the person is still seeing the button and that if the screen-reader were reading text, it would be read. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 3:52 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I believe they are putting rubbish on the screen.  I don’t go there often.  I go there for songs.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: August 2, 2019 3:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Maybe YouTube is putting more rubbish on the screen?  I'm not sure, as I say I have a subscription so don't usually get ads.  I could definitely find it when I logged out and played videos, although yes, you have to trudge past a few things to find it.  The best workaround I can suggest is a YouTube premium (or YouTube Music, or whatever they're calling it this week) subscription.

 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:23 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  I am aware of all that, but the "skip ad" button has been relatively harder to detect lately, hence my post.

On 8/1/2019 6:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I just tried, and I can find the button, pretty much exactly the same ways as in Firefox.

 

Note that YouTube has a few different ways of showing ads.  The ones which have the "Skip ad" button, tend to be ones which play for five seconds or so first (with a count down timer where the Skip Ad button would be) before the Skip Ad button is shown.  If you are quick off the mark, and try to find the button before this point, you may not be able to.

 

The ads in this case are often a couple of minutes long.  YouTube sometimes shows other ads which are 30 seconds or so, and for some of these ads, it doesn't offer a facility to skip the ad, but rather shows a message saying that your video will play (or resume) after the ad.  In that case there is no Skip ad button either.

 

Are you sure the ads you are seeing do in fact have skip ad buttons?

 

I didn't try with NVDA 2019.1.1, but only NVDA 2019.2 rc1, I'm not sure if that makes a difference of the top of my head: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/

 

I was using Chrome Version 75.0.3770.142 (Official Build) (64-bit) I noticed when I just checked that it decided there was an update, but I don't think this build was that old.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:31 PM Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

What I've faced so far?

 

If I wish NVDA to recognize the skip ad button, I switch to the focus mode and tab and/or shift tab to find and activate the button, for there are cases when NVDA does not recognize the very button we're talking about when in the browse mode.

 

Dejan

On 01/08/2019 10:23, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Hi Quentin.  I have been using Chrome for quite a while and so i can't tell you if Chrome is the culprit or not since  the button is still seen by  JFW.  For me at least, NVDA seems to no longer read the button correctly since the early 2019 version, so if it was a chrome or youtube update, won't JFW face the same issue then?  The "Clickable" word to me is not an issue for me right now as I depend upon it to tell me that I am on the "Skip ad" button.  Cheers.

On 8/1/2019 2:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Jaffar,

 

Can you confirm whether the issue is with newer versions of NVDA, or recent updates to YouTube (or your browser)?

 

Looking at YouTube in FireFox 68.0.1 with NVDA 2019.2rc1, I can see a "Clickable skip ad" button when there is an ad showing.  You can either get to it with tab or b (or shift+tab or shift+b), or you can do an NVDA search for "skip" is usually enough to find it.


For the "clickable" part, if you don't want clickable announced, you can turn that off in NVDA's document settings (NVDA+control+d)

 

I must admit, I have a YouTube subscription so I haven't seen ads in awhile to know if that behaviour has changed lately.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 3:52 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  Not so long ago, with the previous versions, the "Skip ad" button
on youtube could be read by NVDA.  Now however, the newer versions of
NVDA seem to read that particular button just as "Clickable".  It is
rather unfortunate that one has to navigate to the slider which allows
us to skip a video back or forward, then arrow up to the "clickable"
button immediately above the slider to activate it.  The "Skip ad"
button is still recognized by JFW as usual.  Perhaps I am missing
something?  Just letting the NVDA team know.  Cheers!



 

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Re: NVDA and gold wave

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


thanks all
 

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Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and gold wave

With the Goldwave add on running, these are announced automatically. When you set the start and end markers, the time is announced and if you pause playback, the time where the play position is will be announced.
Roger











On 8/1/2019 4:01 PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

hi group
 
gold wave and NVDA add ons
 
1. how to get the time in the selection
2. how to get the time where the start marker is at
3. how to get the time where the finish marker is at
4. does it have tutorial with gold wave with NVDA
thanks
 
kerryn
 



Re: NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

Gene
 

I don't think that is the reason for the problem.  the person said he/she, I don't remember who posed the problem, used to find the button.  I can find it but I'm using an old version of NVDA.  It seems to me that the question is how many other people no longer see the button announced as skip ads.  The problem may be on that specific machine or affect only a small number of users, but when someone says that they no longer see text displayed on a button and just hear clickable, that means that the person is still seeing the button and that if the screen-reader were reading text, it would be read. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

I believe they are putting rubbish on the screen.  I don’t go there often.  I go there for songs.

 

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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: August 2, 2019 3:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Maybe YouTube is putting more rubbish on the screen?  I'm not sure, as I say I have a subscription so don't usually get ads.  I could definitely find it when I logged out and played videos, although yes, you have to trudge past a few things to find it.  The best workaround I can suggest is a YouTube premium (or YouTube Music, or whatever they're calling it this week) subscription.

 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:23 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  I am aware of all that, but the "skip ad" button has been relatively harder to detect lately, hence my post.

On 8/1/2019 6:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I just tried, and I can find the button, pretty much exactly the same ways as in Firefox.

 

Note that YouTube has a few different ways of showing ads.  The ones which have the "Skip ad" button, tend to be ones which play for five seconds or so first (with a count down timer where the Skip Ad button would be) before the Skip Ad button is shown.  If you are quick off the mark, and try to find the button before this point, you may not be able to.

 

The ads in this case are often a couple of minutes long.  YouTube sometimes shows other ads which are 30 seconds or so, and for some of these ads, it doesn't offer a facility to skip the ad, but rather shows a message saying that your video will play (or resume) after the ad.  In that case there is no Skip ad button either.

 

Are you sure the ads you are seeing do in fact have skip ad buttons?

 

I didn't try with NVDA 2019.1.1, but only NVDA 2019.2 rc1, I'm not sure if that makes a difference of the top of my head: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/

 

I was using Chrome Version 75.0.3770.142 (Official Build) (64-bit) I noticed when I just checked that it decided there was an update, but I don't think this build was that old.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:31 PM Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

What I've faced so far?

 

If I wish NVDA to recognize the skip ad button, I switch to the focus mode and tab and/or shift tab to find and activate the button, for there are cases when NVDA does not recognize the very button we're talking about when in the browse mode.

 

Dejan

On 01/08/2019 10:23, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Hi Quentin.  I have been using Chrome for quite a while and so i can't tell you if Chrome is the culprit or not since  the button is still seen by  JFW.  For me at least, NVDA seems to no longer read the button correctly since the early 2019 version, so if it was a chrome or youtube update, won't JFW face the same issue then?  The "Clickable" word to me is not an issue for me right now as I depend upon it to tell me that I am on the "Skip ad" button.  Cheers.

On 8/1/2019 2:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Jaffar,

 

Can you confirm whether the issue is with newer versions of NVDA, or recent updates to YouTube (or your browser)?

 

Looking at YouTube in FireFox 68.0.1 with NVDA 2019.2rc1, I can see a "Clickable skip ad" button when there is an ad showing.  You can either get to it with tab or b (or shift+tab or shift+b), or you can do an NVDA search for "skip" is usually enough to find it.


For the "clickable" part, if you don't want clickable announced, you can turn that off in NVDA's document settings (NVDA+control+d)

 

I must admit, I have a YouTube subscription so I haven't seen ads in awhile to know if that behaviour has changed lately.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 3:52 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  Not so long ago, with the previous versions, the "Skip ad" button
on youtube could be read by NVDA.  Now however, the newer versions of
NVDA seem to read that particular button just as "Clickable".  It is
rather unfortunate that one has to navigate to the slider which allows
us to skip a video back or forward, then arrow up to the "clickable"
button immediately above the slider to activate it.  The "Skip ad"
button is still recognized by JFW as usual.  Perhaps I am missing
something?  Just letting the NVDA team know.  Cheers!




 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 

 


Re: Is there a way to set NVDA 2019.2-RC1 to exit focus mode in Skype?

John Isige
 

Yeah. And I can do that, but in 2019.1 it just did that by itself. Like I said, it's a small enough change that I'm sure I'll get used to, but right now I keep hitting the arrows out of habit and then go "oh yeah, I gotta hit NVDA-space, that's why nothing's working". So it would just be nice if I didn't have to do that.

On 8/2/2019 1:21, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


All I do is just change it to browse mode if it doesn't go in straight away, so then I can jump around it like a web page.


Gene NZ


On 2/08/2019 5:47 PM, John Isige wrote:
Unchecking "enable browse mode on page load" doesn't seem to do
anything. Well, the arrows will move the cursor, but only within a
block. So if I'm on a message it will move within that message, but if I
get to the edit field it will only move in that. I still have to hit
NVDA-space to get the arrows to move through all of Skype normally. This
is Skype 8 desktop, specifically Skype 8.50. It's not a big deal if
there's no way to change it, it's just annoying because it's something i
have to stop and do every time I open skype for the first time after I boot.


On 8/1/2019 3:19, Luke Davis wrote:
Have you tried setting up a config profile, triggered by Skype, that
does one of the following:

* Is saved with browse mode off, so when it triggers browse mode will
alrady be off; or
* Has the "Enable browse mode on page load" option disabled?

If a configuration profile will hold either the browse mode state, or
that option, that should be a good solution for you.

Luke

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019, John Isige wrote:

So I asked about this Skype issue and Joseph was right. If you hit
NVDA-space, it takes NVDA out of focus mode and you can arrow through
Skype controls as usual. What's interesting is that it seems to be
preserved until restart. That is, when I first get into Skype I have
to hit NVDA-space, but once I've done that, it's set until I restart
NVDA, even if I close Skype and re-open it again, well, make it
minimize to the system tray or whatever it does.


So is there a way to set NVDA to not be in focus mode when I open
Skype? I don't know what changed between 2019.1 and 2019.2 so I don't
know what setting change(s) to make, or if it's even possible.






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Re: Progress beep

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Many thanks for your help.

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dark Count
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 4:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Progress beep

 

Press NVDA U untill you hear no progress bar updates.

It is a cycle command so if you keep pressing it it will eventually circle to the setting where you started.

 

D C

 

On 8/2/2019 1:01 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Hi,

Is there a way to turn off NVDA progress beep as it is happening when I try to listen to an audio message sent by my daughter middle school.  It sure is annoying!

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal


Re: Progress beep

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Hi,
Thanks for your help.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Progress beep

Yes. NVDA+u. It will toggle between beeps, speech, and nothing, for progress
bar announcement.
That is also available under the object presentation settings.

You can save a configuration profile with this disabled for whatever app you
use to play your messages, if you want it always off in that application,
but on in other places.

Luke
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, Pascal Lambert wrote:


Hi,

Is there a way to turn off NVDA progress beep as it is happening when
I try to listen to an audio message sent by my daughter middle school.  It
sure is annoying!

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal




Re: NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

David Csercsics
 

With Edge dev and chrome probably, (I don't use Chrome so don't know for sure) The skip ad button is usually a clickable button that is not labeled, but with Firefox, you can get to it easily. I abandoned Google Music when they switched it to youtube

 music and lowered the quality of the music files.


When pointing to a line with the mouse, NVDA will stop reading at a link in the text. How overcome this?

J <helper01@...>
 

Often, I use the mouse and my limited sight, to just point at a paragraph or a line and NVDA will simply read that line or paragraph.
But unfortunately, if there is a link in that line or paragraph, NVDA just stops at that point in the text. Very problematic.. 
How do  I overcome this so that NVDA just keeps reading the paragraph or line I am pointing at with my mouse whether there is a link  integrated into the text or not?
Thank you so much! NVDA is such a blessing to my life and so many others I know.


google suite

Arlene
 

Hi List: Arlene here. I have a friend who uses a Mac computer.  She was placed with someone to create her own business.  This person does not know how to help her. He wanted her to use Google suite.  Now with NVDA or any screen reader can you use google suite?  If so, how accessible is it?  Thanks and have a good day.

 

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