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Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

Gene
 

Here is an excerpt from the Tor Blog providing information about this.  Accessibility was turned off for technical reasons I don't understand and that others may be able to explain. 
 
This entry was written over six months ago.  Does that tell us something about the attention this problem has been given after an "alas" in the response?  Alas, a stylized response, doesn't cut it.  It wouldn't be "alas" if the browser became unusable for a significant number of sighted users. 
 
Gene
 
https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-80?page=1
Zef (not verified) said:
September 05, 2018
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Tor browser 8.0 is unavailable for Nvda[screen reader] in windows system. Please fix it.
Previous version works fine.
Blind users they can not use this version.
gk said:
September 06, 2018
In reply to Tor browser 8.0 is … by Zef (not verified)
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Yes, we had to disable accessibility support on Windows system, alas. :( The problem is that mingw-w64 lacks some fixes which are probably not so easy to write. We have a bug open for now with further links to the underlying problem: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/27503.
Zef (not verified) said:
September 06, 2018
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Thank you for your answer. How long does it take to fix this problem?
At once I can not use it tbb.
gk said:
September 07, 2018
In reply to Thank you for your answer… by Zef (not verified)
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We don't know yet. :(

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

From one or two comments I've seen on a list I follow, it appears that recent Tor versions are not accessible.  If you want to use it, let us know and someone will make the last accessible version available.  It is version 7.5.6.  I don't use Tor, though I did on one or two occasions quite some time ago and I'm interested in it remaining accessible.  I would suggest that those who use it contact the Tor developers and discuss the accessibility problem.  It may be nothing more than turning on access in Tor.  For some reason, developers may have turned it off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 4:56 AM
To: nvda
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

It may be the IP address that's being blocked, not the provider or site.
It appears that nvaccess.org is on a dedicated server, at the IP address
45.33.21.113
It may be only that IP address that's being blocked, especially if it changed
recently and the one it has now used to be something your government did want to
block.
The last time they changed anything in that record may have been in December of
2018, but that's only a guess based on some technical information and only the
nvaccess people can say for sure.

All that said, if you're getting a 403 error, that probably is nvaccess blocking
you for some reason, not the other way around.  Can you paste the full text of
the error you get?

Lastly, you may be able to use tor to access it.  A bit of work to get setup,
but if it is a blocking based on geographic location issue, that may very well
get you around it.  A VPN or a proxy is probably easier, but may not be free.

Luke

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, Mohammadreza Rashad wrote:

>
> Dear Rosemarie,
> As I said before, I have this issue with more than one ISP, and have received many reports from various places.
> Dear @Quentin, would you please help me to solve this mysterious problem? I, as a blind person, think that we have right to use, download and update the
> free NVDA screenreader, like other blind computer users.
>
>    ***
> Best Wishes,
>      Mohammadreza Rashad
>    sent by Nokia 8




Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

Mohammadreza Rashad
 

Dear Dejan,
You are so kind.
I could download the newest version from another source. All I want, is accessing NVDA website as before.

   ***
Best Wishes,
     Mohammadreza Rashad
   sent by Nokia 8


On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 2:47 PM Mohammadreza Rashad via Groups.Io <mohammadreza5712=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Dear Luke,
I don't receive any error message. Sometimes it says Connection Timed out.
I definitely can use Tor, proxy or VPN to bypass this issue; but I want to know where is the issue.

   ***
Best Wishes,
     Mohammadreza Rashad
   sent by Nokia 8


On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 2:26 PM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
It may be the IP address that's being blocked, not the provider or site.
It appears that nvaccess.org is on a dedicated server, at the IP address
45.33.21.113
It may be only that IP address that's being blocked, especially if it changed
recently and the one it has now used to be something your government did want to
block.
The last time they changed anything in that record may have been in December of
2018, but that's only a guess based on some technical information and only the
nvaccess people can say for sure.

All that said, if you're getting a 403 error, that probably is nvaccess blocking
you for some reason, not the other way around.  Can you paste the full text of
the error you get?

Lastly, you may be able to use tor to access it.  A bit of work to get setup,
but if it is a blocking based on geographic location issue, that may very well
get you around it.  A VPN or a proxy is probably easier, but may not be free.

Luke

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, Mohammadreza Rashad wrote:

>
> Dear Rosemarie,
> As I said before, I have this issue with more than one ISP, and have received many reports from various places.
> Dear @Quentin, would you please help me to solve this mysterious problem? I, as a blind person, think that we have right to use, download and update the
> free NVDA screenreader, like other blind computer users.
>
>    ***
> Best Wishes,
>      Mohammadreza Rashad
>    sent by Nokia 8




Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

Luke Davis
 

On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, Gene wrote:

I doubt that the NVDA site has been blocked.  it is probably on a host, but I'm not sure what the correct word is, that has been blocked so nothing on that
host can be accessed.  for example, a lot of people use Go Daddy to host sites.  If Go Daddy were blocked, you couldn't access The NVDA site.  Others with
A shared host, is what you're talking about. When many websites exist on one machine, probably at the same IP address. It is usually still possible to determine, however, if something is on a dedicated host (as opposed to a shared one), as browsing directly to the IP address will not result in an error or weird page, but will get you right to that site. That is the case here (see my other message).
With virtualization, load balancing, gatewaying, and so on, collectively cloud based web hosting, it is not always easy to tell any more whether something is on a single machine or many, but if the IP address loads the actual site, you can be reasonably sure that it is a dedicated resource and not a shared host, even though it may be several actual machines for that one site.

more technical knowledge can tell the list how you find out who hosts a web site and we may get information about who the host is for the NVDA site.
Well, you can look up the A record for the domain name with any kind of name service lookup tool, and then use that address to gather other information.

In this case, the dedicated (non-shared) server(s) is owned by Linode, which is a cloud hosting company.

You can find that here: https://www.abuseipdb.com/whois/45.33.21.113

But I don't think that knowledge will help the OP any. Likely the best solution for this, is for him to contact someone at NV AccessLimited, and find out whether they or Linode is blocking Iran, or blocking his specific IP address ranges. Linode used to claim that they didn't do this sort of thing, but that was a few years ago. I'm sure individual server owners could do it, if they wanted to embargo Iran for some reason.

Luke


Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

Gene
 

From one or two comments I've seen on a list I follow, it appears that recent Tor versions are not accessible.  If you want to use it, let us know and someone will make the last accessible version available.  It is version 7.5.6.  I don't use Tor, though I did on one or two occasions quite some time ago and I'm interested in it remaining accessible.  I would suggest that those who use it contact the Tor developers and discuss the accessibility problem.  It may be nothing more than turning on access in Tor.  For some reason, developers may have turned it off. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 4:56 AM
To: nvda
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

It may be the IP address that's being blocked, not the provider or site.
It appears that nvaccess.org is on a dedicated server, at the IP address
45.33.21.113
It may be only that IP address that's being blocked, especially if it changed
recently and the one it has now used to be something your government did want to
block.
The last time they changed anything in that record may have been in December of
2018, but that's only a guess based on some technical information and only the
nvaccess people can say for sure.

All that said, if you're getting a 403 error, that probably is nvaccess blocking
you for some reason, not the other way around.  Can you paste the full text of
the error you get?

Lastly, you may be able to use tor to access it.  A bit of work to get setup,
but if it is a blocking based on geographic location issue, that may very well
get you around it.  A VPN or a proxy is probably easier, but may not be free.

Luke

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, Mohammadreza Rashad wrote:

>
> Dear Rosemarie,
> As I said before, I have this issue with more than one ISP, and have received many reports from various places.
> Dear @Quentin, would you please help me to solve this mysterious problem? I, as a blind person, think that we have right to use, download and update the
> free NVDA screenreader, like other blind computer users.
>
>    ***
> Best Wishes,
>      Mohammadreza Rashad
>    sent by Nokia 8




Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

Mohammadreza Rashad
 

Dear Luke,
I don't receive any error message. Sometimes it says Connection Timed out.
I definitely can use Tor, proxy or VPN to bypass this issue; but I want to know where is the issue.

   ***
Best Wishes,
     Mohammadreza Rashad
   sent by Nokia 8


On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 2:26 PM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
It may be the IP address that's being blocked, not the provider or site.
It appears that nvaccess.org is on a dedicated server, at the IP address
45.33.21.113
It may be only that IP address that's being blocked, especially if it changed
recently and the one it has now used to be something your government did want to
block.
The last time they changed anything in that record may have been in December of
2018, but that's only a guess based on some technical information and only the
nvaccess people can say for sure.

All that said, if you're getting a 403 error, that probably is nvaccess blocking
you for some reason, not the other way around.  Can you paste the full text of
the error you get?

Lastly, you may be able to use tor to access it.  A bit of work to get setup,
but if it is a blocking based on geographic location issue, that may very well
get you around it.  A VPN or a proxy is probably easier, but may not be free.

Luke

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, Mohammadreza Rashad wrote:

>
> Dear Rosemarie,
> As I said before, I have this issue with more than one ISP, and have received many reports from various places.
> Dear @Quentin, would you please help me to solve this mysterious problem? I, as a blind person, think that we have right to use, download and update the
> free NVDA screenreader, like other blind computer users.
>
>    ***
> Best Wishes,
>      Mohammadreza Rashad
>    sent by Nokia 8




Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi friends in trouble,


Would you like me to |Google Drive the latest NVDA down to you so that you may be able to use it till a solution has been found? Would you like me to do the same with some NVDA add-ons?


Let me know and I'm ready!


Dejan

On 16/04/2019 11:29, Mohammadreza Rashad wrote:

Dear Rosemarie,
As I said before, I have this issue with more than one ISP, and have received many reports from various places.
Dear @Quentin, would you please help me to solve this mysterious problem? I, as a blind person, think that we have right to use, download and update the free NVDA screenreader, like other blind computer users.

   ***
Best Wishes,
     Mohammadreza Rashad
   sent by Nokia 8


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

Luke Davis
 

It may be the IP address that's being blocked, not the provider or site.
It appears that nvaccess.org is on a dedicated server, at the IP address 45.33.21.113
It may be only that IP address that's being blocked, especially if it changed recently and the one it has now used to be something your government did want to block.
The last time they changed anything in that record may have been in December of 2018, but that's only a guess based on some technical information and only the nvaccess people can say for sure.

All that said, if you're getting a 403 error, that probably is nvaccess blocking you for some reason, not the other way around. Can you paste the full text of the error you get?

Lastly, you may be able to use tor to access it. A bit of work to get setup, but if it is a blocking based on geographic location issue, that may very well get you around it. A VPN or a proxy is probably easier, but may not be free.

Luke

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, Mohammadreza Rashad wrote:

Dear Rosemarie,
As I said before, I have this issue with more than one ISP, and have received many reports from various places.
Dear @Quentin, would you please help me to solve this mysterious problem? I, as a blind person, think that we have right to use, download and update the
free NVDA screenreader, like other blind computer users.
   ***
Best Wishes,
     Mohammadreza Rashad
   sent by Nokia 8


Jumping Between Clickables

Luke Davis
 

Hello

Is there any reasonable way, or is there some way in development, to jump between items on a web page that are "clickable"?

The manual only mentions clickables in regards to the indicator in the braille section, and the checkbox in the document format configuration description, and even in this latter it is very sparse information.

I have found various discussions about clickables, whether they should be spoken, whether lots in a row should be spoken, and how to get them to stop speaking, but nothing about how to navigate them.

For example, if I have a bunch of links on a page, I can skip between them with k, v, u, etc. If there are buttons, I can use b and B. And so on.
But how does one do this with clickables? Sometimes you run into quite long lists of these, and it would be nice to move through them quickly, or to jump to them from another part of the page.

Frankly I'm surprised this has not been done already, but maybe there is some reason I can't think of. Or maybe it is being done and just isn't documented in an obvious way.

Luke


Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

Mohammadreza Rashad
 

Dear Rosemarie,
As I said before, I have this issue with more than one ISP, and have received many reports from various places.
Dear @Quentin, would you please help me to solve this mysterious problem? I, as a blind person, think that we have right to use, download and update the free NVDA screenreader, like other blind computer users.

   ***
Best Wishes,
     Mohammadreza Rashad
   sent by Nokia 8


Is it possible to create custom braille tables for nvda

 

Hi all.
I don't own or have access to a braille display but I am trying to help some friends.
First of all sorry if this has been asked before.
As the subject says, I am wondering if we can modify a braille table for our needs.

For example, in modern Greek braille, if a letter is accented we add dot 5 in front of the Greek character.

But some people don't want to see it at all so I was wondering if we could change this.

As you can understand, this is a matter of preference. Some people want to see the accented letters and some not.
So probably the best solution would be to have 2 Greek tables. One with the accented letters and one without.
So what can I do about this?
Is it a liblouis issue or is it an nvda issue?
I hope somebody can help.
Thanks
Nikos


Re: sapi 4

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

Nevermind on the sapi 4 its working now.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 3:45 AM
Subject: [nvda] sapi 4

Hi, have sapi 4 voices installed and they are not picked up by nvda.
Thanks


sapi 4

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

Hi, have sapi 4 voices installed and they are not picked up by nvda.
Thanks


reaper

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

Hi, does anyone know the blind list for reaper and is anyone on this list able to give me the information as reaper works with nvda.
Thanks


Re: Inconsistency with NVDA+t on desktop

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

You are right the basic intermittent issue has been around generally since the xp days.
If you look at logs you do often see warnings but no actual errors. I do not have some comparison logs handy and as it is quite a small irritation probably low priority, but despite it being in the tracker I did not find it.
My poor search skills probably!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Inconsistency with NVDA+t on desktop


hi.
yes.
i confirm this problem in nvda 2017.2 (my favorite version) on windows xp.
i dont understand whats the problem.
and i thought that i am the only one who has this issue!
in this case, i cant do anything or open my computer and desktop programs.
thanks for reporting and God bless you!

On 4/16/19, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
has anyone else observed that sometimes NVDA reports the title of the
desktop as "Explorer" whereas at other times it states "Program
Manager?"
As an aside, I find that "Explorer" is often announced even when it is
inappropriate as something completely different has focus.
Best,
Felix




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Re: Inconsistency with NVDA+t on desktop

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Yes this seems to happen a lot on windows 10, not seen it on 7, but have encountered unknown on 7 for no obvious reason so I'm thinking that the software is sending multiple events and depending on which is 'seen' you get different results.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 7:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] Inconsistency with NVDA+t on desktop


Hi folks,
has anyone else observed that sometimes NVDA reports the title of the
desktop as "Explorer" whereas at other times it states "Program
Manager?"
As an aside, I find that "Explorer" is often announced even when it is
inappropriate as something completely different has focus.
Best,
Felix


Re: NVDA With Excel

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See my post about this version of Word with recent nvdas. on the previous thread. I find this the best way around, as of course anything pre 2010 in office is considered end of life now.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Traxler" <howard@traxlerenterprises.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 7:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA With Excel


Hello folks,


Using Windows 10 pro 64, NVDA 19.1, MS Office 2003/Excel.


I'm having trouble running Excel with NVDA. With NVDA running, Excel will only flash and stop; reverting to the previous screen. If Excel is already running, NVDA will not start. Excel runs properly with JAWS demo; runs, but not usably with Narrator.


I have used this combination (NVDA and Excel) successfully for many months. Perhaps I should go back to an earlier version of NVDA. See my note (below) posted on another list.


Anybody, thanks for ideas.


Howard


Trying different screen readers:
1. With NVDA, I get the results I described in my message above.
2. With Narrator, Pressing enter on the desktop shortcut, I get two or three clicks and revert to the previously running application. Pressing the spacebar will start Excel, but no useful information is read.
3. With JAWS (40 minute demo), Excel comes up and allows normal functioning: data entry, reading cells, opening and saving file.

It appears to me that this is caused by an interaction with the screen readers.

I probably could get done what I need to in less than forty minutes but it sure is inconvenient. Maybe something to ask the NVAccess folks.



Need your support to web whats app

Sandesh computer trainer HR
 

Hi friends,
Need solutions to access the whats app of web version on desktop.
One of our candidate joined company in India.
She should use whats app very efficiently by using desktop with screen
reader NVDA.
At present unable to use the app very efficiently.
Note:
Tried with Mozilla fire fox and add on.
It is not accessible also getting error "not respondinng"
If we remove add on then PC works well.

Add on name is f123.
With regards,
Sandesh HR


Re: Help: Using Newest Version of NVDA and Excel 2007 crashing

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As an aside, I have issues with the current nvda in word 2003, but what I have done is to keep an older nvda as a portable version and am happy to switch to that when its needed.
I use a batch file to shut one and open the other at will.
Its pretty simple to do in such situations.
I know I'm a dinosaur!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hoad" <mainefun40@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help: Using Newest Version of NVDA and Excel 2007 crashing


Fixed: I began wondering if my copy of NVDA had somehow become
corrupted. I reloaded the program and it seems to have fixed the
problem.
Steve

On 4/15/19, Steve Hoad <mainefun40@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello: Is it possible that the latest version of NVDA doesn't play
well with Excel 2007? I have been using Windows 10 with these
programs successfully in a previous version of NVDA but now, when I
open Excel it crashes almost immediately.
As an alternative, can I easily roll back to NVDA in a 2018 version
that Excel worked well with?

Any help or information would be appreciated. Thanks,


--
Steve Hoad

--
Steve Hoad


Re: 2019.1.1 released

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Yes this is win 7 as well. I have a suspicion that in fact the error occurs due to all the failed to removed messages at update time hanging onto the current log file and hence when the new copy starts the old log is locked rather than renamed to old as it should be. Whether the routines in 7 are slower or its as I say something in the hardware or software that compounds it, I have no idea, but only a handful of people have the issue and its not every time either, and it proved impossible to duplicate by any developer back several issues ago, It all started when renaming folderrs so the correct support files were used was brought in by Mick to solve another issue.
Its just one of those odd things.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io" <lauriemehta=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2019.1.1 released


I had that experience when updating to 2019.1 on my Win7 laptop. Interesting...
-LM

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On Mon, 4/15/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2019.1.1 released
After a long absence this release gave me the
windows error again when it
tried to reboot that the log file could
not be written to and then it wrote
a small log to the other log file
that is in the working directory. I had
to clear the error then reboot and then
its fine again. I wish we could get
to the bottom of this, but I fancy its
harrdare or software affected and
hence a pig to debug.
Anyway its working now again.
Brian

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Re: Inconsistency with NVDA+t on desktop

 

hi.
yes.
i confirm this problem in nvda 2017.2 (my favorite version) on windows xp.
i dont understand whats the problem.
and i thought that i am the only one who has this issue!
in this case, i cant do anything or open my computer and desktop programs.
thanks for reporting and God bless you!

On 4/16/19, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
has anyone else observed that sometimes NVDA reports the title of the
desktop as "Explorer" whereas at other times it states "Program
Manager?"
As an aside, I find that "Explorer" is often announced even when it is
inappropriate as something completely different has focus.
Best,
Felix



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali