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Re: Tony's addons - updates
David Ingram
what ad-ins do you have besides the one for language that I might be able to take advantage of?
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From: Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...>
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
Hello all,
Thank you so much for your support and every kind of help! However, I came across another problem that broke the camel's back. After getting the Left Shift to work as an NVDA modifier, I started to put more applications onto the machine. Dropbox is a thing I use on a daily basis, and when it turned out that the desktop app can't be installed on a machine with an ARM processor, and moreover, the Microsoft Store Dropbox App is more or less inaccessible, I just gave in. The computer is re-setting itself and I will return it. Anyway, now I know a lot more about certain things, and I hope you do too. So, as a screen reader user it is not worth it to buy a Miix 630. It's a shame, because otherwise it was a quite nice machine. The keyboard was quite OK to type on, although it was much thinner than on a normal laptop. I very much liked the fact that it had a SIM card slot and this was a big reason I ended up buying that particular machine. The log-in using face recognition also worked very nicely. But this time the downsides were bigger.
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
Tyler Spivey
Exactly.
when you correctly press caps+k, caps goes down, k goes down, k goes up and caps goes up. That's reflected in the output, or at least should be. However, your keyboard seems to only support the true modifier keys (alt, control, windows and shift), and can't register more than one keypress at a time otherwise. Seems like you got shift to work as your modifier. Great. I think this might be more anoying than expected. If it is, then we go another route; simply rebinding the keys that you need in the gesture editor using, say, control shift. Nothing says that NVDA key commands need to use the NVDA key. You can remap current line to, say, control shift i without any problem, and it would still give you your left shift for typing normally. There aren't a lot of keys you really need in daily use; this might be a better solution than losing left shift. I also have another addon which turns on the sticky keys functionality for just the NVDA modifier, but that might also be annoying. I would definitely recommend returning that and buying something else. You should be able to find something in the same price range with a better keyboard.
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
Isak,
If you purchased locally from a brick and mortar store, and they have a floor model, and they're open and allowing any customers in, I'd suggest you go there with a portable copy of NVDA on a jump drive, explain what is happening with your unit, and asking if you can spend a couple of minutes, under supervision if required, trying out NVDA on their unit. Everything you've described just seems to scream idiosyncratic and fundamentally wrong to me. This would be one way to see if my gut instinct is correct, and whether all might be solved with a replacement machine of exactly the same type. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
Brian, yes, the BIOS/UEFI updater did not ask for a restart. It seemingly did nothing, just went away.
Now I re-mapped Left Shift to Insert and it works just beautifully as an NVDA modifyer key. AS I said, not convenient at all, but maybe I can live with it. Fortunately, I don't need to make the final decision whether I want to return the computer or not before in around three weeks.
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
Isak, et. al.,
Just as a side note, but an important one, I have not seen a BIOS/UEFI updater package in years that does not check whether what's already installed has the same or higher version number than what it intends to install. If that's found to be true, it just exits. If you did try to run the updater, and did not have to restart, it probably did just that. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
I checked the UEFI/Bios thing and it is up-to-date. The version shown in the System Information is the same as the one on the support page from 2018.
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 01:06 PM, Isak Sand wrote:
The UEFI/Bios update may be of interest. I tried to install it, but I'm not sure whether it succeeded or not.If you got to a point where you were told to restart the machine to finish, and the machine has actually restarted, you've definitely succeeded. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
Hello,
You're absolutely right. When pressing Caps Lock +K, I hear 20, 20, 75, 75. So have I understood correctly that when a key command with two keys works as it should, one will hear the modifier key, so to speak, first and last, but if it says the modifier key, in this case Caps Lock which is 20, two times consecutively, it would not work as a modifier key in this case? Here anyway some more test results: Right Control+K: 162, 75, 75, 162 Left Control + K: 163, 75, 75, 163 Left Shift + K: 160, 75, 75, 160 Right Shift + K: 161, 75, 75, 161 For all other keys I tried, § to the left of 1, Print Screen, Delete and some others, it said the other value than 75 twice before 75. Does this all theoretically mean that I could have Left Shift as an NVDA key and do everything Shift is needed for with the right one? Not convenient, but maybe kind of doable, since right shift is rather big and the keyboard itself small.
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
Tyler Spivey
Try something.
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Start key test, and press caps+k. You should hear 20, 75, 75, 20. My guess is that instead, you'll hear 20, 20, 75, 75. Also, try that with other keys, for example the key to the left of 1 (` on my keyboard). If that works, we can set the modifier to that with the code.
On 5/30/2020 10:06 AM, Isak Sand wrote:
Hello,
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
Hello,
First of all, Chris, Windows+B gives the VK codes "91, 66, 91, 66". To me it seems like the keyboard does not allow any other than certain keys to be pressed together with other ones. If I'm in the keyboard help and press, say, Alt+Control+Shift+K, NVDA will read out every key. When I add Caps Lock to that huge command, it will still say "AltControl+Shift+K", so it kind of just leaves the NVDA key outside the command. Exactly the same happens if I add Insert or the < key that Tyler defined in the Add-on. I have looked at the manual driver page, and there are only two things showing up there: that Bios update you mentioned and then a rather inaccessible piece of software called Rescue and Smart Assistant. I haven't been able to find anything keyboard-related to this machine. The keyboard drivers that show up in Device Manager are HID drivers. The UEFI/Bios update may be of interest. I tried to install it, but I'm not sure whether it succeeded or not. Maybe I should try to figure out which Bios version it has now and whether it matches that newer one. The Exe file I found in the Zip file for the Bios update just seemed to do nothing and when I tried Install.cmd, the computer said straight away something like "press any key to continue".
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
Isak,
There are several things I would suggest you do, the first of which is to make certain that all of the Lenovo supplied drivers are up to date on your machine. The webpage on their support site for this, where you drop in to the Automatic Driver Update tab, where there is a Start Scan button, is: https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/tablets/miix-series/miix-630-12q35/downloads/automatic-driver-update If you prefer to land in the manual tab instead: https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/tablets/miix-series/miix-630-12q35/downloads/driver-list but there are a range of settings you need to select from at the top to see the driver(s) you might need, and not all at once, so in this case I'd suggest allowing the automatic scan. There was a BIOS/UEFI update from 2018, and it could be possible your machine does not have that, and that can have an impact on all hardware, including the keyboard. I can find no image or diagram of the actual keyboard layout itself either in the User Guide or Hardware Maintenance Manual, but as you've already indicated they state it is a full-sized keyboard, which generally means at the very least having an Insert key, and very often a number pad (though not necessarily for a convertible tablet keyboard). I suspect either the keyboard driver, UEFI/BIOS, or some interaction between the two is a hitch in the proverbial gitty-up here. There's no logical reason for what you describe, though I have no doubt it's happening. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
Chris Mullins
Hi Isak I’ve been following this thread with interest. Out of curiosity, if you run the key test addon and issue the Windows+b command, what VK codes are announced? Cheers Chris
From: Isak Sand
Sent: 30 May 2020 12:36 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
Hello and thank you so much for your effort! It is highly appreciated.
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Re: Tony's addons - updates
Rui Fontes
Now a days, I assume that is doable...
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Back in 2013 when we make the automatic language switching module it was very time consuming, since the machines 7 years ago do not were so powerfull... And, do not forget that the language detection works allright in long paragraphs or text, but do not work reliably with one or two words... By instance, suppose an english system and a text in portuguese. Since portuguese have several characters not existing in english, like á, é, ç and so on, is relatively easy to detect, and switching to portuguese, but if you press Alt to go to the menus, it is impossible to detect the language should be switched to english... Except if you create a rule to always read the menus in the default language, and even that do not solve the problem, because I have the system in portuguese but some apps have the menu in english... Rui Fontes Às 15:16 de 30/05/2020, Tony Malykh escreveu:
That's what I thought too.
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Re: Tony's addons - updates
Gianluigi Coppelletti <gianluigi@...>
Hi, I have some issues with BrowserNav. The version 1.11 doesn't work for me. If I press "p" or "shift+p" I only get a beep and nothin happens. Other commands like "nvda+alt+arrows" don't work either. No crackling when I press quick navigation commands like "h" for headings. This happens both with Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome. If I check for updates I can download and install v. 1.9 which seems to work except for the new commands like "P" and "shift+p". What am I doing wrong? I use NVDA 2020.1 on an old laptop with Windows 8.1. Other add-ons that I have installed are: Add-on Updater v. 20.06.1 Mozilla Apps Enhancements v. 1.11 OCR v. 2.0 SentenceNav v. 2.7 TextNav v. 1.4 I hope you can help me because this add-on is really very interesting. Thanks in advance. Bye. Gigi
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Re: Tony's addons - updates
Tony Malykh
That's what I thought too.
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On a separate note, I was thinking that we can use langdetect library to detect the language of every paragraph on the fly and switch to that language. This would allow to automatically switch between two Latin-based languages, or between Chinese and Japanese. Maybe some day if I have enough time I'll work on that...
On 5/29/2020 11:38 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
They have different characters, but both group of characters are in the same UNICODE group...
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Re: Auto language switching in nvda
Tony Malykh
Press "Edit language map" button in the preferences. On 5/29/2020 12:22 PM, farhan israk
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
Hello and thank you so much for your effort! It is highly appreciated.
Unfortunately, also this NVDA modifier reacts exactly in the same way as the other ones. It just does not take the keys that are pressed together with it in consideration. If I enter Keyboard help (I have the enhanced touch gestures or whatever it was add-on installed), and press the NVDA key, regardless of whether it is Caps Lock, Insert or now even this new one, NVDA says "NVDA". But if I hold any of the NVDA keys down and press, for example, the letter b to read the window, Keyboard Help just says "b", whhere it should say something like "NVDA+B, reads the whole window". I don't think the problem is with the add-on itself, because when I tested it on another computer, the < key acts just fine as an NVDA modifier key and works just beautifully with different commands.
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
Tyler Spivey
It does, and the key reference seems to match. Last step, hopefully.
Install this addon: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mnwa9gpn79g0yrg/modifier-0.1.nvda-addon?dl=1 After that, your new modifier should work.
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all
Hello,
Thanks! It says the number 226 two times. Does this make sense?
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