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Re: More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection
Gene
I'm not at all sure you can do what you want, at least not without a lot of time consuming, frustrating work. First, the command you are using to select text, NVDA shift up arrow doesn't select text. It may read the current line but it doesn't move you through anything. Except for control ak, which selects all text, you must always move through what you are selecting.
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As for doing what you want to do, if you turn on caret browsing while in browse mode, you can turn it on later but its probably most convenient then, and then move in browse mode to what you want to select, then turn browse mode off and move with the left and right arrows, you evidently can select what you want. If you want to start selecting at the beginning of the line, moving with home may put you there and you can then use shift right arrow to move and select. But you will hear nothing. Screen-readers are completely unaware of the virtual caret the browser places on the screen. The only way I know to determine what you have selected is to move without any feedback to where you think you want to be from where you are on a line, then use control c to copy what you have selected to the clipboard, then use the NVDA read clipboard command, NVDA key c. Aside from then finding the button, this method of selecting with no feedback may be so difficult that you will find it not worth it. You can change what you have selected. If, for example, you select a word too far, you can use shift left arrow and move by letter until you have unselected the word. The rest of what you selected will still be. So you can copy to the clipboard, hold shift and either move farther right or farther left. If you move in the opposite direction of what you have selected, what you move through will be unselected and the rest will still be selected. Gene -----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Milam Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:35 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection Hi All, To revisit this issue, what I am needing to do is to use the System Caret and be able to select text using the caret itself. With this application, whenever I select text with caret browsing on in Firefox, I am supposed to be able to find and select a button called "annotate" that appears when text is selected. However, when I select text, and use the caret desktop shortcut key NVDA+Shift+UpArrow, NVDA tells me that the text is selected, however, if I move away from the selection to search for the button that should appear, the selection is lost in browse mode. I am not getting any feedback when in Focus mode. How can I select text with the caret and then search for the annotate button without losing my selection while in browse mode? Is that possible? Originally, I thought object navigation would work here, but Object navigation isn't actually using the caret when selecting text. Thanks, Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:18 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting text I don't know if this works in all browsers that support browse mode. it does work in some. I am using movement commands for the desktop keyboard layout. Be in object review. Use numpad 4 and 6 by themselves. 4 will move back and 6 will move forward. You are moving by word. To move by line, use 7 and 9. To move by letter, use 1 and 3. When you get to the beginning of what you want to select, issue the command NVDA f9. Move to the end of what you want to select and issue the command NVDA f10 quickly. You should hear something indicating that text was selected. To copy text to the clipboard, issue the command twice quickly, not once. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 8:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Selecting text Hi All, I am testing a web application called “Hypothesis” and need to be able to select text while in browse mode, separate from the caret. Is there a way of selecting text with NVDA in one of its object modes so that I can have the main browser cursor elsewhere? Thanks, Jonathan |
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Re: Disable report of alerts from Zoom
Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@...>
There is no such client as
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Windows Desktop Client listed in the download center at: https://zoom.us/download Here's what I see: Zoom Client for Meetings Zoom Plugin for Microsoft Outlook Zoom Plugin for IBM Notes Zoom Extension for Browsers Zoom Plugin for Intel Unite Zoom Mobile Apps Zoom Client Plugin for Sharing iPhone/iPad Zoom Rooms for Conference Rooms and Touchscreen Displays Controllers for Zoom Rooms Zoom Plugin for Skype for Business Perhaps the article should be updated to provide more relevant information. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Angelo Sonnesso" <asonnesso@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:30:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom Hot Keys and Keyboard Shortcuts for Zoom |
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More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection
Jonathan Milam
Hi All,
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To revisit this issue, what I am needing to do is to use the System Caret and be able to select text using the caret itself. With this application, whenever I select text with caret browsing on in Firefox, I am supposed to be able to find and select a button called "annotate" that appears when text is selected. However, when I select text, and use the caret desktop shortcut key NVDA+Shift+UpArrow, NVDA tells me that the text is selected, however, if I move away from the selection to search for the button that should appear, the selection is lost in browse mode. I am not getting any feedback when in Focus mode. How can I select text with the caret and then search for the annotate button without losing my selection while in browse mode? Is that possible? Originally, I thought object navigation would work here, but Object navigation isn't actually using the caret when selecting text. Thanks, Jonathan -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:18 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting text I don't know if this works in all browsers that support browse mode. it does work in some. I am using movement commands for the desktop keyboard layout. Be in object review. Use numpad 4 and 6 by themselves. 4 will move back and 6 will move forward. You are moving by word. To move by line, use 7 and 9. To move by letter, use 1 and 3. When you get to the beginning of what you want to select, issue the command NVDA f9. Move to the end of what you want to select and issue the command NVDA f10 quickly. You should hear something indicating that text was selected. To copy text to the clipboard, issue the command twice quickly, not once. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 8:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Selecting text Hi All, I am testing a web application called “Hypothesis” and need to be able to select text while in browse mode, separate from the caret. Is there a way of selecting text with NVDA in one of its object modes so that I can have the main browser cursor elsewhere? Thanks, Jonathan |
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Re: Disable report of alerts from Zoom
Hot Keys and Keyboard Shortcuts for Zoom
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Overview There are keyboard shortcuts that you can use on the Zoom Desktop Client for Windows and Mac that allow you to navigate the Zoom settings without using your mouse. They are listed in this article and also available in your Zoom desktop client settings, under Accessibility. Prerequisites Windows Desktop Client Version 3.5.19869.0701 or higher Mac Desktop Client Version 3.5.19877.0701 or higher Linux Desktop Client Version 1.1.32904.1120 or higher iPad with iOS App Version 4.4.5 (55341.0715) or higher Windows Icon Windows You can view and edit keyboard shortcuts in your Accessibility settings. Log in to your Zoom desktop client. Click your profile picture then click Settings. Settings Option Under Profile Picture Click Keyboard Shortcuts. The keyboard shortcuts will appear. Editing Shortcuts You can edit a shortcut by clicking on the shortcut and then pressing the shortcut key that you would like to use. Some of the shortcuts can be used as global shortcuts, meaning they will work even when Zoom is not in focus. To enable a shortcut globally, check the option next to the shortcut. Available Keyboard Shortcuts F6: Navigate among Zoom popup windows. Ctrl+Alt+Shift: Move focus to Zoom's meeting controls PageUp: View previous 25 video stream in gallery view PageDown: View next 25 video stream in gallery view Alt: Turn on/off the option Always show meeting control toolbar in Accessibility Settings Alt+F1: Switch to active speaker view in video meeting Alt+F2: Switch to gallery video view in video meeting Alt+F4: Close the current window Alt+V: Start/Stop Video Alt+A: Mute/unmute audio Alt+M: Mute/unmute audio for everyone except host Note: For the meeting host only Alt+S: Launch share screen window and stop screen share Note: Will only work when meeting control toolbar has focus Alt+Shift+S: Start/stop new screen share Note: Will only work when meeting control toolbar has focus Alt+T: Pause or resume screen share Note: Will only work when meeting control toolbar has focus Alt+R: Start/stop local recording Alt+C: Start/stop cloud recording Alt+P: Pause or resume recording Alt+N: Switch camera Alt+F: Enter or exit full screen Alt+H: Display/hide In-Meeting Chat panel Alt+U:Display/hide Participants panel Alt+I: Open Invite window Alt+Y: Raise/lower hand Alt+Shift+R: Gain Remote Control Alt+Shift+G: Stop Remote Control Ctrl+2: Read active speaker name Ctrl+Alt+Shift+H: Show/Hide floating meeting controls Alt+Shift+T: Screenshot Switch to Portrait/Landscape View: Alt+L Ctrl+W: Close current chat session Ctrl+Up: Go to previous chat Ctrl+Down: Go to next chat Ctrl+T: Jump to chat with someone Ctrl+F: Search Ctrl+Tab: Move to the next tab (right) Ctrl+Shift+Tab: Move to the previous tab (left) Note: You can edit your keyboard shortcuts in Windows if you need or want to. To do this, you’ll click on the shortcut and then press the shortcut key that you would like to use. Log in to your Zoom desktop client. Click your profile picture then click Settings. Click Keyboard Shortcuts. The keyboard shortcuts will appear. Some of these hotkeys can be used as global shortcuts, meaning they will work even when Zoom is not in focus. To enable a shortcut globally, check the option next to the shortcut. 73 N2DYN Angelo -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:07 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom How do you get to the accessibility settings. I joined a test meeting with the zoom meetings client, and I found no setting sbutton anywhere that talked about it. I found audio settings and such, but nothing about accessibility. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CARLOS-ESTEBAN" <carlosestebanpianista@...> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 20:22:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom Hello.window and hit Control + F to navigate to the find edit box. Hit tab to navigate to the menu. they forhave added the ability to turn on and off alerts for screen readers in thea client. andability to contact them in advance, there are settings they can tweak to https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115005756143-Changing-your-meetingCo-Hosts. -settings I'mand search on, "Sound notification when someone join or leave." least.willing to bet that it might. It's worth checking out, at the very many anyusers as it has in a very short period of time. While there are limited problems unless those problems are reported to them and the changes that-- |
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Re: Disable report of alerts from Zoom
Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@...>
How do you get to the accessibility settings.
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I joined a test meeting with the zoom meetings client, and I found no setting sbutton anywhere that talked about it. I found audio settings and such, but nothing about accessibility. ----- Original Message -----
From: "CARLOS-ESTEBAN" <carlosestebanpianista@...> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 20:22:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom Hello. |
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problem with search edit box in folders
seb naudet
Hello list,
i've recently updated my windows 10 pro (64-bit) Version 2004 (10.0.19041) and last NVDA available. when i search for a file in a folder i now have to press enter after typing the name, and alt tab to see the result of my search. quite complicate compared with previous version of windows. any idea to simplify access to search results? thank you |
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Re: Disable report of alerts from Zoom
Ralf Kefferpuetz
Good news Ben, thanks for that.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of benmoxey@...
Sent: Dienstag, 11. August 2020 01:36 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom
Hi everyone
Coming in late on this discussion, so hope I’m on the right track!
Ensure you update to the latest build of Zoom and you will notice that they have added the ability to turn on and off alerts for screen readers in Settings/Accessibility. I only spotted this yesterday when installing it for a client.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Ben
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
I don't know who's organizing the meetings in question, but if you have the ability to contact them in advance, there are settings they can tweak to make the join/leave notifications be triggered only for the meeting Host and Co-Hosts. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?
Quentin Christensen
Hi Charles, As others have noted, Object Navigation is a feature of NVDA, and most of the other examples given illustrate that its main purpose is to give you an alternate way of navigating when a program can't be navigated using regular keys (arrows, tab, other keyboard shortcuts). In some cases, such as the Settings in Windows 10, you can get around and manipulate the controls using regular keys like tab, however there is additional information presented, which is only given as a read-only piece of text which never gets focus. In that case, object navigation is a way of reading that text. Where object navigation lets you move between objects, the review cursor is used to move through text within the current object. The "Basic Training for NVDA" material available from NV Access teaches both Object Navigation and the Review cursor. You can find a sample of it (which includes the Review Cursor section) from the "Basic Training for NVDA eBook Sample" link on: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/ (If you would prefer an audio sample, you can find that from the "Basic NVDA Training MP3 Sample" link on https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-downloadable-audio/ The book is also available in Braille: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-braille-hard-copy/ - but there isn't a sample in Braille :) ) Kind regards Quentin. On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 9:16 AM Charles Adkins <cadkins6739@...> wrote: Ok, let me ask a dum question. Is object navigation a part of NVDA or do I need to install an add-on? Thanks so much. If this was already answered earlier and I missed it, my apology. --
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Re: Disable report of alerts from Zoom
Gene
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I'll look but I might as well just wait for it. I don't care much if I hear the announcements or not and there are times I like to know when someone enters or leaves. Gene -----Original Message-----
From: benmoxey@... Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 7:34 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom Hi Gene You can check manually using the menu. Place focus on the main Zoom window and hit Control + F to navigate to the find edit box. Hit tab to navigate to the menu. Cheers Ben -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 9:49 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom I haven't been offered the update yet. Gene ----- Original Message ----- -----Original Message----- From: benmoxey@... Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 6:36 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom Hi everyone Coming in late on this discussion, so hope I’m on the right track! Ensure you update to the latest build of Zoom and you will notice that they have added the ability to turn on and off alerts for screen readers in Settings/Accessibility. I only spotted this yesterday when installing it for a client. Hope this helps. Cheers Ben From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 8:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom I don't know who's organizing the meetings in question, but if you have the ability to contact them in advance, there are settings they can tweak to make the join/leave notifications be triggered only for the meeting Host and Co-Hosts. See this Zoom Support Page: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115005756143-Changing-your-meeting-settings and search on, "Sound notification when someone join or leave." Although this may not have a connection to text notification of same, I'm willing to bet that it might. It's worth checking out, at the very least. Zoom is going to have a lot of refining to do, and for reasons of accessibility plus a lot of others. I doubt that they ever, in their wildest dreams, foresaw the app taking off as quickly and gaining as many users as it has in a very short period of time. While there are limited human resources for tweaking Zoom, they certainly can't make changes for any problems unless those problems are reported to them and the changes that would help are spelled out. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde |
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Re: Disable report of alerts from Zoom
CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
Is an excellent change, thanks! I updated Zoom and is possible. Regards.
El 10/8/2020 a las 18:36,
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Musicien (pianist) and also help to the blind people in the use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA. |
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Re: Disable report of alerts from Zoom
CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
Hello. I updated Zoom and is possible enable o disable the alerts, is an excellent change. Thanks to all for the answers. Regards.
El 10/8/2020 a las 19:34,
benmoxey@... escribió:
Hi Gene You can check manually using the menu. Place focus on the main Zoom window and hit Control + F to navigate to the find edit box. Hit tab to navigate to the menu. Cheers Ben -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 9:49 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom I haven't been offered the update yet. Gene ----- Original Message ----- -----Original Message----- From: benmoxey@... Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 6:36 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom Hi everyone Coming in late on this discussion, so hope I’m on the right track! Ensure you update to the latest build of Zoom and you will notice that they have added the ability to turn on and off alerts for screen readers in Settings/Accessibility. I only spotted this yesterday when installing it for a client. Hope this helps. Cheers Ben From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 8:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom I don't know who's organizing the meetings in question, but if you have the ability to contact them in advance, there are settings they can tweak to make the join/leave notifications be triggered only for the meeting Host and Co-Hosts. See this Zoom Support Page: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115005756143-Changing-your-meeting-settings and search on, "Sound notification when someone join or leave." Although this may not have a connection to text notification of same, I'm willing to bet that it might. It's worth checking out, at the very least. Zoom is going to have a lot of refining to do, and for reasons of accessibility plus a lot of others. I doubt that they ever, in their wildest dreams, foresaw the app taking off as quickly and gaining as many users as it has in a very short period of time. While there are limited human resources for tweaking Zoom, they certainly can't make changes for any problems unless those problems are reported to them and the changes that would help are spelled out. --
Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.
Musicien (pianist) and also help to the blind people in the use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA. |
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Re: Disable report of alerts from Zoom
benmoxey@...
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You can check manually using the menu. Place focus on the main Zoom window and hit Control + F to navigate to the find edit box. Hit tab to navigate to the menu. Cheers Ben -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 9:49 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom I haven't been offered the update yet. Gene ----- Original Message ----- -----Original Message----- From: benmoxey@... Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 6:36 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom Hi everyone Coming in late on this discussion, so hope I’m on the right track! Ensure you update to the latest build of Zoom and you will notice that they have added the ability to turn on and off alerts for screen readers in Settings/Accessibility. I only spotted this yesterday when installing it for a client. Hope this helps. Cheers Ben From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 8:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom I don't know who's organizing the meetings in question, but if you have the ability to contact them in advance, there are settings they can tweak to make the join/leave notifications be triggered only for the meeting Host and Co-Hosts. See this Zoom Support Page: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115005756143-Changing-your-meeting-settings and search on, "Sound notification when someone join or leave." Although this may not have a connection to text notification of same, I'm willing to bet that it might. It's worth checking out, at the very least. Zoom is going to have a lot of refining to do, and for reasons of accessibility plus a lot of others. I doubt that they ever, in their wildest dreams, foresaw the app taking off as quickly and gaining as many users as it has in a very short period of time. While there are limited human resources for tweaking Zoom, they certainly can't make changes for any problems unless those problems are reported to them and the changes that would help are spelled out. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde |
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Re: Disable report of alerts from Zoom
Gene
I haven't been offered the update yet.
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-----Original Message----- From: benmoxey@... Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 6:36 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom Hi everyone Coming in late on this discussion, so hope I’m on the right track! Ensure you update to the latest build of Zoom and you will notice that they have added the ability to turn on and off alerts for screen readers in Settings/Accessibility. I only spotted this yesterday when installing it for a client. Hope this helps. Cheers Ben From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 8:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom I don't know who's organizing the meetings in question, but if you have the ability to contact them in advance, there are settings they can tweak to make the join/leave notifications be triggered only for the meeting Host and Co-Hosts. See this Zoom Support Page: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115005756143-Changing-your-meeting-settings and search on, "Sound notification when someone join or leave." Although this may not have a connection to text notification of same, I'm willing to bet that it might. It's worth checking out, at the very least. Zoom is going to have a lot of refining to do, and for reasons of accessibility plus a lot of others. I doubt that they ever, in their wildest dreams, foresaw the app taking off as quickly and gaining as many users as it has in a very short period of time. While there are limited human resources for tweaking Zoom, they certainly can't make changes for any problems unless those problems are reported to them and the changes that would help are spelled out. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde |
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Re: Disable report of alerts from Zoom
Gene
I doubt it. I suspect it is triggered in some way by text appearing or disappeariing from the attendees list. Also, in the Zoom meetings I've attended, there was no sound like a bell when someone joined or left.
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From: Brian Vogel Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 5:49 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom I don't know who's organizing the meetings in question, but if you have the ability to contact them in advance, there are settings they can tweak to make the join/leave notifications be triggered only for the meeting Host and Co-Hosts. See this Zoom Support Page: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115005756143-Changing-your-meeting-settings and search on, "Sound notification when someone join or leave." Although this may not have a connection to text notification of same, I'm willing to bet that it might. It's worth checking out, at the very least. Zoom is going to have a lot of refining to do, and for reasons of accessibility plus a lot of others. I doubt that they ever, in their wildest dreams, foresaw the app taking off as quickly and gaining as many users as it has in a very short period of time. While there are limited human resources for tweaking Zoom, they certainly can't make changes for any problems unless those problems are reported to them and the changes that would help are spelled out. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde |
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Re: Disable report of alerts from Zoom
benmoxey@...
Hi everyone
Coming in late on this discussion, so hope I’m on the right track!
Ensure you update to the latest build of Zoom and you will notice that they have added the ability to turn on and off alerts for screen readers in Settings/Accessibility. I only spotted this yesterday when installing it for a client.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Ben
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 8:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom
I don't know who's organizing the meetings in question, but if you have the ability to contact them in advance, there are settings they can tweak to make the join/leave notifications be triggered only for the meeting Host and Co-Hosts. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: Disable report of alerts from Zoom
I don't know who's organizing the meetings in question, but if you have the ability to contact them in advance, there are settings they can tweak to make the join/leave notifications be triggered only for the meeting Host and Co-Hosts.
See this Zoom Support Page: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115005756143-Changing-your-meeting-settings and search on, "Sound notification when someone join or leave." Although this may not have a connection to text notification of same, I'm willing to bet that it might. It's worth checking out, at the very least. Zoom is going to have a lot of refining to do, and for reasons of accessibility plus a lot of others. I doubt that they ever, in their wildest dreams, foresaw the app taking off as quickly and gaining as many users as it has in a very short period of time. While there are limited human resources for tweaking Zoom, they certainly can't make changes for any problems unless those problems are reported to them and the changes that would help are spelled out. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: Disable report of alerts from Zoom
Gene
This is forced speech and I see nothing in Zoom that allows it to be turhned off. Technically, I'm not sure how this is done, I suspect something like an Aria tag. Whatever the case, I think the Zoom developers should be notified that notifications such as who enters and leaves meetings and the automatic notification of chat messages should be able to be turned off. Forced speech anywhere should never be unable to be turned off.
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From: CARLOS-ESTEBAN Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 5:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom Hi all. Some users have this situation: In a Zoom meetin, when a person have problems of conection and leave, NVDA sais who leave the meetin. But if the user read somme ting with NVDA, for example, slides from a presentation, NVDA stop the reading and talk the alert. The options report notifications and report dinamic contend changes disabled in the category object presentation dont disable the alerts from Zoom. Some idea? have a developer a temporal solution or an app module? Thanks. -- Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA. Musicien (pianist) and also help to the blind people in the use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA. |
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Re: Disable report of alerts from Zoom
Hi, This is something Zoom will need to look at, as these alerts come from places other than what is considered main Zoom window. Technical: for resident geeks, the app module for Zoom that comes with NVDA uses eventHandler.requestEvents function to ask NVDA to keep an eye on MSAA events outside of Zoom. Normally events are raised by elements located inside an app’s main window, but this is not the case in Zoom. In other words, fixing this will require countless hours of advocacy and emails to Zoom developers to help them reimagine accessibility API’s and such. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of CARLOS-ESTEBAN
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 3:05 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Disable report of alerts from Zoom
Hi all. Some users have this situation: In a Zoom meetin, when a person have problems of conection and leave, NVDA sais who leave the meetin. But if the user read somme ting with NVDA, for example, slides from a presentation, NVDA stop the reading and talk the alert. The options report notifications and report dinamic contend changes disabled in the category object presentation dont disable the alerts from Zoom. Some idea? have a developer a temporal solution or an app module? Thanks.
-- Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.
Musicien (pianist) and also help to the blind people in the use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA. |
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Disable report of alerts from Zoom
CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
Hi all. Some users have this situation: In a Zoom meetin, when a person have problems of conection and leave, NVDA sais who leave the meetin. But if the user read somme ting with NVDA, for example, slides from a presentation, NVDA stop the reading and talk the alert. The options report notifications and report dinamic contend changes disabled in the category object presentation dont disable the alerts from Zoom. Some idea? have a developer a temporal solution or an app module? Thanks.
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Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.
Musicien (pianist) and also help to the blind people in the use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA. |
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Re: interesting issue with file explorer on windows 10
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 03:54 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm, it was on, in previous versions of windows that was reversed I think.- The "more details" view is always off by default, including under every version of Windows 10 so far (I don't have 2004 yet). I know this simply because I like it, and routinely have to turn it on and have had to do so "forever." -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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