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Add-on Updater 20.06.2 coming this weekend, last version to support NVDA 2019.3 and a notice on legacy add-ons to be shown #addonrelease

Joseph Lee
 

Hi all,

 

Add-on Updater 20.06.2 is on its way, to be released either today or tomorrow (likely later today). This release includes two major changes:

 

  • Add-on Updater 20.06.2 is the last version to support NVDA 2019.3.1 or earlier. I should have done that as part of 20.06 but didn’t get a chance to do that (Add-on Updater supports latest stable NVDA release).
  • If you are still using Screen Curtain and/or Focus Highlight, after installing Add-on Updater 20.06.2, you’ll get a courtesy notice asking you to uninstall these add-ons. If you are using NVDA 2019.3 or later, these add-ons are no longer necessary as they are part of NVDA (as far as Add-on Updater and add-ons community sees them, they are legacy add-ons kept for older NVDA releases). This notice will be presented only once. If you are indeed using NVDA 2019.3 or later and wish to avoid this notice, please uninstall Screen Curtain and Focus Highlight. Also, to avoid confusion, automatic add-on update facility (not manual command) will be disabled until you restart NVDA.

 

Regarding the second item: whenever all features from an add-on is included in NVDA, a notice like this will show up in the future. This can only occur if the author of the would-be legacy add-on informs the community that the add-on is no longer needed. The notice itself will be sent out a few months after legacy declaration takes place, likely around the time the successor NVDA version is in circulation.

 

For example, suppose NVDA 2020.3 includes all features from Resource Monitor add-on (hypothetically speaking). If that ever happens (unlikely), I will declare it as a legacy add-on around the time NVDA 2020.3 stable version comes out. A few months later (around the time NVDA 2020.4 shows up), I’ll include a notice in Add-on Updater saying that Resource Monitor should be removed.

 

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: SPL/NVDA

Brian Vogel
 

I would like to draw attention to a specific item from the Admin Notice, List Updates: Please Read  (Sent April 11, 2020): 

  • Speaking of logs, we should avoid sending long logs to this list.
    • Logs may contain personal information to your system, your set-up, or possibly keystrokes you press, etc.
    • It is not expected that users on this list will know how to read logs, or that they will dissect those logs for you to determine the issue. Please reach out to NVAccess directly. No doubt there is already a process in place for this, however we shouldn't ask users to post logs to this list.

In the case of Add-Ons, reaching out to their respective developers, not NVAccess, is the appropriate first step.
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Re: issue useing gold wave add-ons

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Which GoldWave version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Meet modi
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 6:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] issue useing gold wave add-ons

 

hello,

I am using NVDA latest version and also instal goldwave stable add-ons butnot work in HP laptop with windows 10 .

I try to press left bracket it doesnt announs start marker time.

How can i solve this issue?

 
Re: SPL/NVDA

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Responded on NVDA-SPL list, but in case folks here are not members of that list: this is caused by track comments file becoming corrupted somehow. I’ll write a workaround at the cost of losing track comments.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 2:40 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] SPL/NVDA

 

I am getting an error when Stdudio opens.

Here is the latest log

INFO - __main__ (01:41:38.256) - MainThread (4532):
Starting NVDA version 2019.3.1
INFO - core.main (01:41:38.552) - MainThread (4532):
Config dir: C:\Users\wrigh\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (01:41:38.552) - MainThread (4532):
Loading config: C:\Users\wrigh\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (01:41:38.727) - MainThread (4532):
Using Windows version 10.0.19041 workstation
INFO - core.main (01:41:38.727) - MainThread (4532):
Using Python version 3.7.5 (tags/v3.7.5:5c02a39a0b, Oct 14 2019, 23:09:19) [MSC v.1916 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (01:41:38.727) - MainThread (4532):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (01:41:38.728) - MainThread (4532):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (01:41:39.450) - MainThread (4532):
Loaded synthDriver sapi5
INFO - core.main (01:41:39.450) - MainThread (4532):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (01:41:39.453) - MainThread (4532):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (01:41:39.454) - MainThread (4532):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.initialize (01:41:39.460) - MainThread (4532):
Using pySerial version 3.4
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (01:41:39.466) - MainThread (4532):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - core.main (01:41:39.793) - MainThread (4532):
Java Access Bridge support initialized
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (01:41:39.822) - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (11648):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - core.main (01:41:40.258) - MainThread (4532):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - appModuleHandler.fetchAppModule (01:41:40.666) - MainThread (4532):
error in appModule 'splstudio'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "appModuleHandler.pyc", line 172, in fetchAppModule
  File "C:\Users\wrigh\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\stationPlaylist\appModules\splstudio\__init__.py", line 653, in __init__
    splconfig.initialize()
  File "C:\Users\wrigh\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\stationPlaylist\appModules\splstudio\splconfig.py", line 708, in initialize
    trackComments = pickle.load(f)
_pickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '\x00'.
Re: Win 10 updates keep changing my chosen voice

Gerry
 

Hi

Thanks, I will try that.

Gerry


On 19/06/2020 13:26, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Have you saved your NVDA configuration? Otherwise it will go back to the previously saved configuration

 

 

From: Gerry
Sent: 19 June 2020 12:38
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] Win 10 updates keep changing my chosen voice

 

                    Hi

 

Every time I recieve what is classed as a Quality Update  under Windows

update log, I lose my chosen nvda voice. How can I stop this happening?

 

I do know how to get the voice back, thanks to Luke Davis, but it's a

rigmorol that I would prefer not to have to do.

 

many thanks

 

Gerry

 

 

 

 

 

 
Re: NVDA and MathML, specifically for Chemistry Markup Language [Subscripts in Particular]

Brian Vogel
 

Andy,

              This particular group does not allow attachments.  You can try using the "Reply to Sender" link at the end of one of Greg's messages to send that attachment directly to him, and I believe this will work.  If you want to test that out, use the Reply to Sender link at the end of this message to send something, anything, to me as an attachment and I'll let you know whether it makes it or not.  I believe Groups.io strips only for on-group content when that's the chosen option, but not for private messaging.
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Re: NVDA and MathML, specifically for Chemistry Markup Language [Subscripts in Particular]

Andy Keyworth
 

Hi Greg,

 

Thank you for your response.

 

I have MathPlayer already installed; unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to make any difference. When I test these pages (in NVDA and JAWS across multiple browsers), I’m only hosting them on my local machine, not a web server. Non-chemistry MathML seems to display and be read fine by NVDA, at least in FireFox. But MathPlayer doesn’t seem to make any noticeable difference. Any advice on what I could change would be appreciated. Please see a demo sample attached as a ZIP to this email.

 

Thanks,

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Williams via groups.io
Sent: June 19, 2020 11:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and MathML, specifically for Chemistry Markup Language [Subscripts in Particular]

 

Hi Andy,

Do you have MathPlayer installed? NVDA uses MathPlayer to read MathML, and it generally reads chemical equations in an unambiguous understandable form although not necessarily the same way that a chemist might read it out loud. If you have MathPlayer installed, and it is not reading the subscripts, can you send an example of a webpage where it is not being read, and I can take a look.

Greg

 

On 6/18/2020 5:37 PM, Andy Keyworth wrote:

Hello,

I'd like to find an answer about if NVDA can be configured to read MathML, WHERE the MathML is being used to represent chemistry. The main issue is that NVDA does not currently seem to read the subscripts in chemical equations.

Thank you,
Andy Keyworth

Re: NVDA Freezing/Crashing with Office 365 - Word and Outlook

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 

 
I have the same problem. 

 
Locked Announcement Only: New Additions to NVDA Group Message Footer

Brian Vogel
 

A member of the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group made an excellent suggestion that I have decided to implement for the NVDA Group as well.  He requested that direct links to the group topic archive, and the search page for same, be included in the footer of group e-mail messages.

The following now appears in every message after the Groups.io standard links line for Viewing a message online, Replying to Group or Sender, Muting a topic, or Creating a new topic:

NVDA Topics on Groups.io - https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics | NVDA Archive Search Page on Groups.io - https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/search

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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 
Re: NVDA and MathML, specifically for Chemistry Markup Language [Subscripts in Particular]

Greg Williams
 

Hi Andy,

Do you have MathPlayer installed? NVDA uses MathPlayer to read MathML, and it generally reads chemical equations in an unambiguous understandable form although not necessarily the same way that a chemist might read it out loud. If you have MathPlayer installed, and it is not reading the subscripts, can you send an example of a webpage where it is not being read, and I can take a look.

Greg


On 6/18/2020 5:37 PM, Andy Keyworth wrote:

Hello,

I'd like to find an answer about if NVDA can be configured to read MathML, WHERE the MathML is being used to represent chemistry. The main issue is that NVDA does not currently seem to read the subscripts in chemical equations.

Thank you,
Andy Keyworth

NVDA Freezing/Crashing with Office 365 - Word and Outlook

Declan Meenagh
 

Hello everyone.

I am having some issues with Office 365 and NVDA.

I find that word randomly crashes, freezes NVDA and NVDA won’t talk until word is killed,

I am also finding that while running NVDA, if I switch to a different email account in outlook, it crashes.

Running windows 10 on a high spec computer.

I know someone else talked about this previously and I tried doing the online repair of office. It seems to make the word thing happen less, but the outlook thing is still happening.

I tried a fresh install of NVDA and disabling all ad-ons.

Any help would be appreciated

Thanks
Re: welcome screen on nvda

Richard Wells
 

If you want the welcome screen back, Open NVDA help/Welcome dialog. There is a check box there to show it every time.

On 6/18/2020 6:38 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 07:35 PM, larry k wrote:
yes and it says a diolog about the modifyer keys and displaying this message upon startup.

On that one I have no idea, as I've never had NVDA show/say anything about modifier keys and/or display on startup.   There are, however, checkboxes for Automatically start NVDA when I log in to Windows and Use NVDA on the Windows Login screen in the General tab.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 
Re: NVDA 2020.2 Beta 1

Aschalew Byness
 

I am using nvda beta version. I hear error tone every few minutes. I
couldn't find out the error though. Anyone who is experiencing the
same?

On 6/19/20, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
For those with errors - if you restart the computer from the start menu,
does it make a difference? If you don't encounter it after that, it could
be one of those random glitches we sometimes see after updating and before
restarting. If you do keep seeing it, if you could set your log level to
Debug, restart NVDA with add-ons disabled, recreate the issue and send me a
copy of your log, we'll have a look and see what is going on.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 11:02 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...>
wrote:

Here is working as expected.

Windows 10 2004

NVDA 2020.2 Beta1


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team



Às 12:23 de 18/06/2020, Robert Mendoza escreveu:

Hi, Quentin.


I noticed after the update for this beta, is that the speech synth
selection is not showing after pressing NVDA plus Control plus S, and the
nvda stopped on the background. So, what I did is to restart again to
reload. Can someone could replicate this error as well. Thanks.
On 6/18/2020 6:12 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi everyone,

NVDA 2020.2 Beta 1 is now available for testing.

For those interested in trying out what the next version of NVDA has
before it is officially released.

Visit https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-2beta1/ to download the
beta and provide feedback.

Regards

Quentin.

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nvda error tone

Aschalew Byness
 

I am using nvda beta version. I hear error every few minutes. I
couldn't find out the error though.
issue useing gold wave add-ons

Meet modi
 

hello,
I am using NVDA latest version and also instal goldwave stable add-ons butnot work in HP laptop with windows 10 .
I try to press left bracket it doesnt announs start marker time.
How can i solve this issue?
Re: Win 10 updates keep changing my chosen voice

Chris
 

Have you saved your NVDA configuration? Otherwise it will go back to the previously saved configuration

 

 

From: Gerry
Sent: 19 June 2020 12:38
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] Win 10 updates keep changing my chosen voice

 

                    Hi

 

Every time I recieve what is classed as a Quality Update  under Windows

update log, I lose my chosen nvda voice. How can I stop this happening?

 

I do know how to get the voice back, thanks to Luke Davis, but it's a

rigmorol that I would prefer not to have to do.

 

many thanks

 

Gerry

 

 

 

 

 

 
Re: seika6 display braille, why no driver?

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Ok guys,

I confirm I have four dll in a Seika folder within the ZDSR installation folder.


It must be what did the trick.


Ciao,
Ollie

On 19/06/2020 14:05, Mallard wrote:
Hello simoneand all,


i think that's what happened. Zdsr must have installed something.

I was astonished when I saw that, by selecting Seika, my display was recognized immediately, while earlier i had to leav it on Automatic, and then I had the problems I described earlier.


I was forced to use an old pm 40, with half of the cells half dead... Now realing braille feels like Paradise on earth! lol


Unfortunately, all the suff within that screen reader is in Chinese, so I have no idea what can have been installed...


I'll ask around in the forum, and see what I can find out.


Ciao,

Ollie




On 18/06/2020 18:55, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
Hello Joseph and all,
For Seika6 or touchme6 or whatever that finish with 6, yes, we have troubles.
But why NVDA doesn't support anymore the Seika5 display, and we should install the external addon?
If this is a final decision, we should update documentation, because from NVDA 2019.3 the normal situation is that described by Ollie, where you can read 40 characters and then you can't scroll with dedicated keys.
Perhaps,  Ollie the dedicated screen reader installed something magic on your pc, some dll, some drivers, or some little creatures that make the dirty work!




Il 18/06/2020 18:10, Joseph Lee ha scritto:
Hi,
I'm thinking it might have to do with DLL's, which suggests that there is no
pure Python driver for Seika 6 at the moment.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] seika6 display braille, why no driver?

Hello simoneand all,


Funny, I was just going to report a strange experience I've just had with my
Touchme5.


The external add-on (or driver, or whatever it was) never worked for
meThe display was seen by NVDA in Automatic, but not if I selected it
from the Seika option. I got the "Unable to load display" error.


On automatic, though, I could read the first 40 characters, move down or
up by line, but not pan horizontally.


Last week I bought ZDSR, a Chinese screen reader for Windows, which only
supports Seika display brailles.


I installed it, and my Touchme5 sorked like a clock immediately.


the strangest thing, however, was that, when I treid using with NVDA, it
loaded regularly choosing the Seika option, and now it works perfectly
well with NVDAtoo.

I can scroll, pan, use touch cursors...


Don't know what did the trick; I can only think that ZDSR installed some
driver or other that now lets me use this display all along.


I hope the devs will find a way to make Seika displays work with NVDA
again, because the braillle is very good, and it's a pity they can't be
used at their best.


sorry for the partially OT, but I wanted to report this, just in case
someone understands what might have done the trick.

Ciao,

Ollie




On 16/06/2020 17:45, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
Hello,
the situation for Seika Display Braille is quite strange on my opinion.
Now, for Seika until version5, users should use an external addon,
since from 2019.3 NVDA is not able to recognize properly the display
braille.
For seika6, the situation is different because there are no addons and
NVDA is not able to initialize the display.
I think that NVDA should be able to manage Seika Display Braille... do
you have some hints or ideas about this?
Re: seika6 display braille, why no driver?

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Hello simoneand all,


i think that's what happened. Zdsr must have installed something.

I was astonished when I saw that, by selecting Seika, my display was recognized immediately, while earlier i had to leav it on Automatic, and then I had the problems I described earlier.


I was forced to use an old pm 40, with half of the cells half dead... Now realing braille feels like Paradise on earth! lol


Unfortunately, all the suff within that screen reader is in Chinese, so I have no idea what can have been installed...


I'll ask around in the forum, and see what I can find out.


Ciao,

Ollie

On 18/06/2020 18:55, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
Hello Joseph and all,
For Seika6 or touchme6 or whatever that finish with 6, yes, we have troubles.
But why NVDA doesn't support anymore the Seika5 display, and we should install the external addon?
If this is a final decision, we should update documentation, because from NVDA 2019.3 the normal situation is that described by Ollie, where you can read 40 characters and then you can't scroll with dedicated keys.
Perhaps,  Ollie the dedicated screen reader installed something magic on your pc, some dll, some drivers, or some little creatures that make the dirty work!




Il 18/06/2020 18:10, Joseph Lee ha scritto:
Hi,
I'm thinking it might have to do with DLL's, which suggests that there is no
pure Python driver for Seika 6 at the moment.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] seika6 display braille, why no driver?

Hello simoneand all,


Funny, I was just going to report a strange experience I've just had with my
Touchme5.


The external add-on (or driver, or whatever it was) never worked for
meThe display was seen by NVDA in Automatic, but not if I selected it
from the Seika option. I got the "Unable to load display" error.


On automatic, though, I could read the first 40 characters, move down or
up by line, but not pan horizontally.


Last week I bought ZDSR, a Chinese screen reader for Windows, which only
supports Seika display brailles.


I installed it, and my Touchme5 sorked like a clock immediately.


the strangest thing, however, was that, when I treid using with NVDA, it
loaded regularly choosing the Seika option, and now it works perfectly
well with NVDAtoo.

I can scroll, pan, use touch cursors...


Don't know what did the trick; I can only think that ZDSR installed some
driver or other that now lets me use this display all along.


I hope the devs will find a way to make Seika displays work with NVDA
again, because the braillle is very good, and it's a pity they can't be
used at their best.


sorry for the partially OT, but I wanted to report this, just in case
someone understands what might have done the trick.

Ciao,

Ollie




On 16/06/2020 17:45, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
Hello,
the situation for Seika Display Braille is quite strange on my opinion.
Now, for Seika until version5, users should use an external addon,
since from 2019.3 NVDA is not able to recognize properly the display
braille.
For seika6, the situation is different because there are no addons and
NVDA is not able to initialize the display.
I think that NVDA should be able to manage Seika Display Braille... do
you have some hints or ideas about this?
Re: can I extract installed add-on and install it on another pc?

Tyler Spivey
 

Unzip it into the same place on the other machine.

On 6/18/2020 9:41 PM, Aschalew Byness wrote:
I just copied the add-on folder from the directory and brought it to
my document folder. it is zippe nowd. How can I install it on another
pc?

On 6/19/20, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:
Addons are just directories. Open run and type %appdata%\nvda\addons and
you should see all of them.
Use whatever transfer method you want to send the directory of the addon
over, or make an addon out of it by zipping the contents of the directory.


On 6/18/2020 9:15 PM, Aschalew Byness wrote:
I have a private nvda add-on installed. I don’t currently have the
setup file though. Now, I want my friend to have this private add-on.
Is there any way with which I can extract the installed add-on and
install it on my friend’s pc?
Win 10 updates keep changing my chosen voice

Gerry
 

Hi

Every time I recieve what is classed as a Quality Update  under Windows update log, I lose my chosen nvda voice. How can I stop this happening?

I do know how to get the voice back, thanks to Luke Davis, but it's a rigmorol that I would prefer not to have to do.

many thanks

Gerry
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