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Re: Weather Plus 5.0 update available

Sarah k Alawami
 

I got the update yesterday. Will the barometer be back? I love that thing especially as I can watch it along with my pain to know the weather in my area.

On 13 Mar 2019, at 0:06, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi to every one,

After more than 2 months it is back in operative :)

Changes in this new version:

• Weather Plus now uses the APIXU API, in my opinion better than the previous one;
To work requires an API key, read the Weather Plus First Settings.html for instructions (highly recommended).
#Changes in the Weather Plus Settings window:
• Removed old checkbox "State of barometric pressure".
• Replaced with new checkbox "Add cloudiness value";
It gives you the percentage of cloudiness.
• Added new checkbox "Add precipitation value";
It gives you the amount in millimeters or inches of precipitation.
• Removed old checkbox "Indicates the wait with a beep while you search for the latest bulletin";
Left active by default.
• Added to the Astronomic informations;
Time of moonrise and moonset.
• Added new button "Rename";
To rename cities more conveniently.
• Improved function of the "Test" button;
Now accept some commands to facilitate the search for cities;
These new commands are described in the help function that can be called up with F1.
• Added button to manage your API key.

Weather Plus can update itself, however you can download it directly from:

http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus5.0.nvda-addon

or from the pages:

http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus#main-content

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

If the file extension arrives as .zip,please correct it with .nvda-addon.


Cheers

adriano





Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Sarah k Alawami
 

Mine appears sometimes every 15 to 20 minutes, sometimes every hour, sometimes never throughout the day. I could be in my flight sim and get the pop ups. And that's when the trouble starts especially if I'm trying to land. I'm glad they are finally looking into this.

On 12 Mar 2019, at 21:58, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


While this Drop Box issue is an annoyance, it goes away within a few minutes after system boot on my computer.  Are others having the phantom windows stay visible indefinitely?


On 3/12/2019 10:57 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm sure if the program weren't running, you wouldn't get such notifications.  But some people want the program to be constantly running and for those people this would be a problem.  And even if you have the program run at boot up, you can close it in the system tray.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette

On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes







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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Sarah k Alawami
 

They have nor forwarded my request to someone special as they put it. They said it is a "special case" what ever that is to mean in the end. We'll see what happens. And no it just happens at random when nothingn is beeing updated.

On 12 Mar 2019, at 18:17, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes







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Re: Finally, got an alt tab breaking log, I think

Sarah k Alawami
 

Turned out I was using the latest update. It broke again last night, right almost when I did a restart of NVDA. I did redownload that version and yeah I am up to date.I have disabled the add on. So we'll see if it brakes anymore or not.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bxfy13kwaj2621f/alt%20tab%20log%2002.rtf?dl=1


On 12 Mar 2019, at 17:12, Jackie wrote:

That's where I saw it.

On 3/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I didn't see it in the add on updater, and I was not even aware there
was an update. I'll try that and see. I guess I go to the add ons page
and look to see if ther was an update to the themes add on?

On 12 Mar 2019, at 15:03, Jackie wrote:

Sarah, have you updated this addon recently? If not, that may be the
key to fixing this problem. It seems as though the log is flagging a
coding error/incompatibility, which I'm pretty sure will be fixed by
the addon's 3/24 update. Perhaps try that prior to disabling it. Then
you can have your addon & use it too, as it were :).

Please let us know how it goes. & if NVDA is acting squirrelly, this
might be something for other folks to check as well.

On 3/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Sure. I can try that. I can't remember of when I first started
noticing
the issue if the alt tab thing was happening or not but I can try
that
over the next few days.

Take care

On 12 Mar 2019, at 13:22, Jackie wrote:

Looks like it's a fault in the audio themes addon. Are you running
that, Sarah? If so, could you please try disabling it to see if the
problem continues?

On 3/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

did, every time I dl from 1drive I don't need to. Bu for thsoe
that
don't want 1drive try this link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gzeohygmhepchrv/alt%20tab%20nvda%20log.rtf?dl=1

On 12 Mar 2019, at 11:18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:

That link wants a log in, you should use dropbox its less
annoying.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami"
<marrie12@...>
To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 5:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] Finally, got an alt tab braking log, I think

Well, alt tab broke so got the log right when it happened and
restarted
nvda . I was trying to write this on windows but thunder bird
lagged
so badly I could not write the email.

Anyway here is a link to the log file.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AOtt0hSM2KdVjyQ

I hope that helps someone. It happened at about 9 something pdt
this
morning.



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Re: NVDA Speech Dictionaries - How are they stored?

 

Tyler,

            This is as I suspected, but can you merge them?   I'd imagine that there's a file per dictionary type, and that if a user already had, say, default dictionary settings and wanted to merge in those of another user, they'd have to all end up in a single file.

             I'm imagining these things are likely CSV files or something mighty similar and, if so, those could be merged together with ease.  It would still be really nice to have an import function that checked for potential conflicts when bringing "the new stuff" in.
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Re: NVDA Speech Dictionaries - How are they stored?

Tyler Spivey
 

They're just files under %appdata%\nvda\speechDicts.
You can already copy them around.

On 3/13/2019 7:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a direct spin-off of the NVDA & IPA topic.   Obviously, if anyone has created any sort of speech dictionary, that data has to be held somewhere, and I suspect it's not internally but in file somewhere, probably a separate one for the default, voice, and temporary dictionaries.
As it can be a lot of work to create elaborate ones, it would be really handy to be able to share those upon occasion.   It would be really nice were NVDA to have an Import/Export function for each, but depending on exactly how and where they're stored, this may be simple to do "by hand" if necessary.
Is it possible to take, for instance, you existing default dictionary and append the contents of someone else's to that (or load it in to the voice or temporary dictionaries) with relative ease?
If not, consideration of an Import/Export Dictionary function would be a very good idea.
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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

I don't use DropBox, but what's being described sounds a lot like what I've taken to calling screen veil popups, where these things are not opaque like a screen curtain, but translucent, allowing a sighted person to see what lies beneath on the screen other than where the actual dialog box is showing, but prevents any interaction with the underlying screen until dismissed.   And while they don't pose nearly the challenge if you can see, they're still mightily annoying.

Often, but not always, hitting Escape will dismiss these blasted things.  If anyone wants to try that (or has) and report back that would be a useful data point.
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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Dan Beaver
 

But this doesn't work for my case.


I have DB on my laptop and then on my Iphone.  The only files I have are shared only between my 2 devices.  I seldom make any changes to any of those files so I shouldn't be getting these very annoying popups.


Dan Beaver

On 3/13/2019 10:30 AM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

It is true that notifications pop up when changes are made to shared files and folders.  I have shared folder accounts with at least three blind music making related communities, so files and folders get deleted or added quite frequently.  Cheerers.

On 3/13/2019 8:34 PM, Gene wrote:
I suspect that these windows come up when something changes, someone adds a file or removes it that you are sharing folders with.  It may come up when the program is first run, but one person reported that the window comes up about every half hour, another person reported about every hour.  I doubt there is any general rule about how often they come up. 
 
The following may have a useful suggestion but my understanding of just what is occurring may not be correct.  But whatever is done about this unreadable window problem, my suggestion about how such information is displayed may be useful. 
 
Probably what is needed is the ability to turn such notifications completely off or alter it in some sort of accessibility setting so the information can be checked periodically by the blind person to see announcements about what has changed without them being read automatically.  I expect this can be done.  The information could be displayed in the system tray so a blind person can go to it and read it without a help balloon or a toast announcement being generated.  Information can change constantly if desired in the system tray without a screen-reader reading it if it just changes.  This should be an accessibility setting that can be turned on in preferences.  Should it be on by default when a screen-reader is detected?  I'll leave that for others to discuss. 
 
I think it is important for entities to develop a unified position on this feature and whether it should be on automatically when a screen-reader is detected.  In general, as things are, those who are complaining are just complaining about removing the wwindow.  But that doesn't address the underlying problem, making the information available and not intruding on screen-reader use.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

H I didn’t know that. Well that’s good to know.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: March 12, 2019 9:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

Hi Group,

 

While this Drop Box issue is an annoyance, it goes away within a few minutes after system boot on my computer.  Are others having the phantom windows stay visible indefinitely?

 

On 3/12/2019 10:57 PM, Gene wrote:

I'm sure if the program weren't running, you wouldn't get such notifications.  But some people want the program to be constantly running and for those people this would be a problem.  And even if you have the program run at boot up, you can close it in the system tray.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette

On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes






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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

It is true that notifications pop up when changes are made to shared files and folders.  I have shared folder accounts with at least three blind music making related communities, so files and folders get deleted or added quite frequently.  Cheerers.

On 3/13/2019 8:34 PM, Gene wrote:
I suspect that these windows come up when something changes, someone adds a file or removes it that you are sharing folders with.  It may come up when the program is first run, but one person reported that the window comes up about every half hour, another person reported about every hour.  I doubt there is any general rule about how often they come up. 
 
The following may have a useful suggestion but my understanding of just what is occurring may not be correct.  But whatever is done about this unreadable window problem, my suggestion about how such information is displayed may be useful. 
 
Probably what is needed is the ability to turn such notifications completely off or alter it in some sort of accessibility setting so the information can be checked periodically by the blind person to see announcements about what has changed without them being read automatically.  I expect this can be done.  The information could be displayed in the system tray so a blind person can go to it and read it without a help balloon or a toast announcement being generated.  Information can change constantly if desired in the system tray without a screen-reader reading it if it just changes.  This should be an accessibility setting that can be turned on in preferences.  Should it be on by default when a screen-reader is detected?  I'll leave that for others to discuss. 
 
I think it is important for entities to develop a unified position on this feature and whether it should be on automatically when a screen-reader is detected.  In general, as things are, those who are complaining are just complaining about removing the wwindow.  But that doesn't address the underlying problem, making the information available and not intruding on screen-reader use.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

H I didn’t know that. Well that’s good to know.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: March 12, 2019 9:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

Hi Group,

 

While this Drop Box issue is an annoyance, it goes away within a few minutes after system boot on my computer.  Are others having the phantom windows stay visible indefinitely?

 

On 3/12/2019 10:57 PM, Gene wrote:

I'm sure if the program weren't running, you wouldn't get such notifications.  But some people want the program to be constantly running and for those people this would be a problem.  And even if you have the program run at boot up, you can close it in the system tray.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette

On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes






-- 
 
 
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HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
 
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NVDA Speech Dictionaries - How are they stored?

 

This is a direct spin-off of the NVDA & IPA topic.   Obviously, if anyone has created any sort of speech dictionary, that data has to be held somewhere, and I suspect it's not internally but in file somewhere, probably a separate one for the default, voice, and temporary dictionaries.

As it can be a lot of work to create elaborate ones, it would be really handy to be able to share those upon occasion.   It would be really nice were NVDA to have an Import/Export function for each, but depending on exactly how and where they're stored, this may be simple to do "by hand" if necessary.

Is it possible to take, for instance, you existing default dictionary and append the contents of someone else's to that (or load it in to the voice or temporary dictionaries) with relative ease?

If not, consideration of an Import/Export Dictionary function would be a very good idea.
--

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          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Roger Stewart
 

I only get that invisible dropbox window once per boot up. Only just after startup. I can just hit any key to stop the speech and my focus is still where I left it. It's just like the phantom message about Microsoft One Drive I get on my laptop. I still haven't found a way to keep this from running though as I don't use it.
Roger










On 3/12/2019 11:06 PM, Annette Moore wrote:

I'd like it to be running so I'd receive notifications of things being shared in various folders, but I could live without that if I knew this was a temporary thing until a fix was implemented. I probably don't get as many of these popup phantom windows as some do, though. I may get them once an hour or so, and other than placing me out of focus for a few seconds, forcing me to have to alt tab back to the program I was using, they aren't too disruptive so I may not do anything unless or until they increase. At this point they're just a small nuisance.

Annette

On 3/12/2019 9:57 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm sure if the program weren't running, you wouldn't get such notifications.  But some people want the program to be constantly running and for those people this would be a problem.  And even if you have the program run at boot up, you can close it in the system tray.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette

On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes







-- 


Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA



Re: My problem is about Libre Office

Surendra JUJJAVARAPU
 

Thank you can you please help me how to navigate through heading some tables in libreoffice where can I get this option in libreoffice thank you so much for responding my query


On Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 7:42 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
unfortunately libreoffice does not support brows mode, but you can use
navigator to move between items like: tables, headings, frames,
sections, indexes, etc and press enter on it.

On 3/13/19, Surendra JUJJAVARAPU <surendrajujjavarapu9@...> wrote:
> Hi friends my name is Surendra I have a doubt it is not a doubt actually I
> am facing a problem  library office
> The browse mode is works very fine with MS office but I can't afford that
> much price on MS office
> But the browse mode is not working in libreoffice can you please give me
> this update on future and video thank you
>
>
>
>


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with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




Re: My problem is about Libre Office

 

hi.
unfortunately libreoffice does not support brows mode, but you can use
navigator to move between items like: tables, headings, frames,
sections, indexes, etc and press enter on it.

On 3/13/19, Surendra JUJJAVARAPU <surendrajujjavarapu9@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi friends my name is Surendra I have a doubt it is not a doubt actually I
am facing a problem library office
The browse mode is works very fine with MS office but I can't afford that
much price on MS office
But the browse mode is not working in libreoffice can you please give me
this update on future and video thank you



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


My problem is about Libre Office

Surendra JUJJAVARAPU
 

Hi friends my name is Surendra I have a doubt it is not a doubt actually I am facing a problem  library office
The browse mode is works very fine with MS office but I can't afford that much price on MS office
But the browse mode is not working in libreoffice can you please give me this update on future and video thank you


An important message about Microsoft Windows 10 updates

Gene
 

I almost never start off topic threads.  If this is not considered appropriate, let me know.  This seems to me to be a very important news story, however.
 
Here is a story from Kim Komando about how Microsoft is finally really doing something to deal with problems caused by its seemingly unending record of bad updates.  It's past time
 
If this works as its supposed to, it may save a lot of users serious problems. 
 
Gene


Re: Weather Plus 5.0 update available

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Jacob,

Thanks for your help. I got the app up and running.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 6:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 5.0 update available

If you find the weather plus settings menu under NVDA's preferences menu, then arrow down to documentation, it will open the folder containing the documentation, including Weather Plus First Settings.html, which mentions the API key, obtaining it, etc.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
082 413 4791
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2019-03-13 12:30 PM, Hermann-Josef Kurzen wrote:
Hi Gary,

unfortunately Adriano didn't tell where to find the file "weather first settings.html".
I've found it under:
j:\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\doc where j:\ is my users
directory. The right folder for You is "en"
And in this folder there is the file "weather plus first settings.html".


Greetings - Hermann



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Betreff: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 5.0 update available
Verwendetes Mailprogramm: vermutlich online im WEB erstellt

Hi Adriano,

I can't seem to find the read me 1st file. Also, how do I get a key? Thanks for any help.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriano
Barbieri via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 3:07 AM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io; nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus 5.0 update available

Hi to every one,

After more than 2 months it is back in operative :)

Changes in this new version:

. Weather Plus now uses the APIXU API, in my opinion better than the previous one; To work requires an API key, read the Weather Plus First Settings.html for instructions (highly recommended).
#Changes in the Weather Plus Settings window:
. Removed old checkbox "State of barometric pressure".
. Replaced with new checkbox "Add cloudiness value"; It gives you the percentage of cloudiness.
. Added new checkbox "Add precipitation value"; It gives you the amount in millimeters or inches of precipitation.
. Removed old checkbox "Indicates the wait with a beep while you search for the latest bulletin"; Left active by default.
. Added to the Astronomic informations; Time of moonrise and moonset.
. Added new button "Rename";
To rename cities more conveniently.
. Improved function of the "Test" button; Now accept some commands to facilitate the search for cities; These new commands are described in the help function that can be called up with F1.
. Added button to manage your API key.

Weather Plus can update itself, however you can download it directly from:

. http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus5.0.nvda-addon

or from the pages:

. http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus#main-content

. https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

If the file extension arrives as .zip,please correct it with .nvda-addon.


Cheers

adriano












Re: Nvda and the International phonetic Alphabet, (IPA)

Leo
 

well if the situation is such as nobody can answer how to do this in
nvda, then I must agree with you,
there should be a text file wher where you can easily follow simple
syntaxis and paste whatever symbols you want
without having to add one by one.

Literophilus

El 13/03/2019 a las 2:35, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escribió:
Yes this seems to be a shortcoming of the synths themselves to my way
of thinking and as such really out of the control of nvda. Everyone
seems to make  their synths work slightly differently and  I guess
unless somebody has solved this and has the right text files to make
them sound right, you have to do it the hard way.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Teri McElroy"
<shimzin.lists@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda and the International phonetic Alphabet, (IPA)


Hello Lev

I have just recently emailed the list to find out about this same
topic. You can go to the nvda menu, then preferences,
punctuation/symbol pronunciation. You'll need to input the symbols
along with how you want the speech engine to pronounce them. However,
I don't think putting in the unicode values is going to work. You'll
need to input the actual symbol along with how you want NVDA to
pronounce it. I've just tried entering a unicode value here and it
didn't work for me. But when I enter the actual symbol, it does.

You can find information about punctuation/symbol pronunciation in
section 11.2.2 of the online userguide. It will explain about
inputting symbols.

Hope that helps.


Teri


On 13-Mar-19 8:18 AM, Lev wrote:


Hello,

I have noticed that espeak reads some symbols of the international
phonetic alphabet; however, this can not be done by other synthetic
voices, so my question is this:

How to make that nvda reads correctly those symbols regardless of
the synthetizer?

Or, how to make that other synthetizers read those symbols?For
instance, vocalizer.

I got the Unicode transcription for all the symbols that I want.

The syntaxis is this:

U+00E6=Ash

Where the term “ash” is the proper name for that particular symbol.

So, is there a file inside the installation folder of nvda or user
settings where I can paste that syntaxis to have nvda reading all
those symbols?

Thanks for any info.

--
Literophilus



Sticky selection won't go away

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi,

 

I am applying conditional formatting to certain rows in a multipage workbook in Excel 2016.

 

After I have successfully set up the new formatting and applied it to the worksheet, I find NVDA calling out a selected range of cells that is not the one that the formatting applies to but I have no further need for any selection, so, I press escape with the intention of dismissing the selection. However, no matter what keys I press I cannot get the selection to cease. Also, I cannot move to any other worksheet. I try pressing NVDA+space to move to focus mode but still I cannot move from the worksheet.

 

The only way to break from the selection is to save the worksheet so that my conditional formatting is not lost and exit Excel. When I reopen Excel on the same workbook, it opens, as you would expect, on the same worksheet where I was working. The selection is still showing. But, this time I can press NVDA+space to switch to focus mode and then I can press control+page down to go to the next worksheet and all is well.  

 

Even when I return to the worksheet where I applied the formatting, the selection is still active. The only difference is that it is no longer trapping the cursor.

 

All ideas welcome! Please let me know if you have a solution to this annoying problem.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: Nvda and the International phonetic Alphabet, (IPA)

Leo
 

thank you Teri,
however, there are many many symbols that I want to include and adding
one by one is something that I don't want to do...  I prefer just
continue using the other screen reader for this purpose...
From what I understood, you need to read some symbols from the IPA, so
if you are interested and you are already a user of the other screen
reader, inbox me and I tell you how I did it.


Literophilus

El 12/03/2019 a las 14:21, Teri McElroy escribió:
Hello Lev

I have just recently emailed the list to find out about this same
topic. You can go to the nvda menu, then preferences,
punctuation/symbol pronunciation. You'll need to input the symbols
along with how you want the speech engine to pronounce them. However,
I don't think putting in the unicode values is going to work. You'll
need to input the actual symbol along with how you want NVDA to
pronounce it. I've just tried entering a unicode value here and it
didn't work for me. But when I enter the actual symbol, it does.

You can find information about punctuation/symbol pronunciation in
section 11.2.2 of the online userguide. It will explain about
inputting symbols.

Hope that helps.


Teri


On 13-Mar-19 8:18 AM, Lev wrote:


Hello,

I have noticed that espeak reads some symbols of the international
phonetic alphabet; however, this can not be done by other synthetic
voices, so my question is this:

How to make that nvda reads correctly those symbols regardless of the
synthetizer?

Or, how to make that other synthetizers read those symbols?For
instance, vocalizer.

I got the Unicode transcription for all the symbols that I want.

The syntaxis is this:

U+00E6=Ash

Where the term “ash” is the proper name for that particular symbol.

So, is there a file inside the installation folder of nvda or user
settings where I can paste that syntaxis to have nvda reading all
those symbols?

Thanks for any info.

--
Literophilus


locked Re: NVDA for Android and IOS

Gene
 

Windows 95 had speech if the screen-reader generated it.  I used three different screen-readers with Windows 95 and they all could generate speech through the sound card.  This was a function of the screen-reader in Windows 95.  It was not a question of Windows.  I don't recall what the situation was in Wihndows 3.1. but Windows 95 was the first version of Windows as its own more or less operating system. Previously, earlier versions of Windows were, as I understand it, much more closely associated with DOS.  Someone with more technical knowledge may wish to explain this more clearly.
 
Regarding MSAA, it was incorporated into Windows 98.  In Windows 95, though it came without MSAA, Microsoft released a file that you could run that would add it to Windows 95. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 1:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA for Android and IOS

Well, windows 98 was the first one with synthetic speech through the
sound card before then you had to have speech from an external unit.

I with older systems that there were ways to make windows and earlier
things than xp talk, some of them I have heard about.

Windows 3.1 was a glorified dos shell really.

In windows 2000 aparently the first narator ever was made.

While microsoft was active in the later stages of windows 95 through to
98 it really didn't seem to show much interest till windows 98.

Everyone and thing had its own way of accessing the os.

With windows xp and up microsoft started standardising accessibility it
may have happened before that but xp is when I started noticing.

It got better and better to a point in windows 7, but everyone had their
own intercepters, their own interface, and their own way.

Its only in windows 8 and later microsoft seems to be committed to
actually doing something, and with 10, they want to show off.

I am sure that apple and then google probably changed it for them.



On 13/03/2019 7:12 PM, zahra wrote:
> thanks for your fast response.
> what do you mean that windows was accessible with third-party software?
> since i did not never use and see windows versions before xp, so, i am
> not familiar with previous versions.
> sorry for my simple questions!
>
> On 3/12/19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>> Oh dos is accessible, with thirdparty software.
>>
>> windows 3.1 was accessible with third party software.
>>
>> all versions of windows are accessible with third party software.
>>
>> But in 1996 or there abouts microsoft started making it easier for
>> things to access windows itself.
>>
>> Before that everyone had to do a lot of stuff to see windows.
>>
>> Or whatever.
>>
>> This continued up to xp, and slowly to win8, now with 10, microsoft is
>> actively trying to make windows accessible out of the box which
>> basically means instead of having your reader of choice having to
>> reinvent the wheel each time, they can use whats allready there.
>>
>> In windows 10 microsoft is actively trying to coppy apple with narator,
>> they have even made the installs accessible.
>>
>> Windows and dos were not inaccessible, but for a while microsoft was not
>> as active as it is now.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13/03/2019 5:48 PM, zahra wrote:
>>> hi shaun.
>>> since you are expert and tried different versions of windows,
>>> do you mean that dos and windows 95 were not accessible and the first
>>> accessible version of windows, is windows 98?
>>> did i understand you correctly?
>>> thanks again for any help, God bless you!
>>>
>>> On 3/11/19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>>>> Well to be honest what we really need to remember is why we got jaws,
>>>> before freedom scientiffic became the real bad boy it is now, and other
>>>> readers.
>>>>
>>>> Back in the dos days there was no accessibility at all.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing much came from microsoft's end.
>>>>
>>>> This continued through to windows 95.
>>>>
>>>> In windows 98, microsoft started the active accessibility libraries
>>>> which improved things but not that much.
>>>>
>>>> In 2003 or there abouts with help from gwmicro the direct chain manager
>>>> was done so you could handle readers in a multiple chained process,
>>>> before that you made your own chains but they were unstable.
>>>>
>>>> Basically the first screen reader was your video card, which was part of
>>>> the next reader up till the end, the last screen reader was your video
>>>> card.
>>>>
>>>> Start one out of sync, run 2 at once, remove and or uninstall things in
>>>> an unordered fashion and you broke the chain.
>>>>
>>>> There were 2 ways to fix this.
>>>>
>>>> 1.  remove the chain, reinstall the video drivers and make another one.
>>>>
>>>> Or just reformat.
>>>>
>>>> Which I did a lot of.
>>>>
>>>> You needed technical experience to make the reg files for  the chain and
>>>> while I got dolphin support to construct one, it was as fragile as a
>>>> glass window, and not that good.
>>>>
>>>> The dcm became mirror drivers in vista and 7 and then in windows 8
>>>> microsoft started the universal access librarys we all love and loath.
>>>>
>>>> The reason jaws and others existed was simply because microsoft didn't
>>>> come to the party till late.
>>>>
>>>> Even when xp to 7 came up, microsoft never really put much into narator.
>>>>
>>>> It was just after the laws came in going against those that didn't make
>>>> stuff accessible.
>>>>
>>>> It probably also helped that after the death of outspoken and all the
>>>> new laws, apple not only showed that it could make an accessible reader
>>>> but showed off that it could make something better than waht was about
>>>> at the time.
>>>>
>>>> Voiceover has its limits of course but it is in all the programs and
>>>> devices now.
>>>>
>>>> Google, same with talkback but there were others at first in droid.
>>>>
>>>> So eventually microsoft had to move.
>>>>
>>>> The reason we are seeing the reader industry shrinking now is possibly
>>>> because microsoft is pulling its weight and attempting to catch up to
>>>> all the rest.
>>>>
>>>> Now narator is nothing against nvda but its close.
>>>>
>>>> Narator is not jaws.
>>>>
>>>> But its big enough as a bold new kid on the block, not fully grown mind
>>>> you that it is shifting mountains if only smaller ones.
>>>>
>>>> Time will tell with businesses if this means the death of jaws or other
>>>> readers, sadly dolphin seem to be in no hurry to improve at any speed so
>>>> sadly they may die.
>>>>
>>>> I have used their stuff for ages now but still.
>>>>
>>>> Of course the fact we are using a more or less web based interface both
>>>> inside  of our oses now and online on websites and web based programs
>>>> does help.
>>>>
>>>> There was a time where anything went and while there are a few bad
>>>> acters about its not as bad a landscape as it was 5 years back.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is one end of the road in the screen readers though.
>>>>
>>>> And this isn't actually jaws, either we have reached the inovation curve
>>>> and thats not likely because nvda is still inovating things.
>>>>
>>>> Its almost like the comercial guys can't be bothered either that or ms
>>>> is moving to fast with their current model.
>>>>
>>>> Or maybe we can accept that most of them have just about done everything
>>>> they set out to do and who knows.
>>>>
>>>> As an os, while I really like win10's ease of use, search, and a few
>>>> other apps, and shortcuts, the only reason I wouldn't go back to 7 is
>>>> simply because 10 in some ways needs less shortcuts to get things done
>>>> and less key presses.
>>>>
>>>> On the flipside without my hacking tweaking tools win10 would be quite
>>>> hellish.
>>>>
>>>> On the systems I admin which are not mine there are issues, and I hate
>>>> ribbons.
>>>>
>>>> Most everything else I can get used to.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/03/2019 3:04 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
>>>>> What people need to remember here is that accessibility software,
>>>>> regardless of platform, has generally arisen due to a couple of
>>>>> factors, with different emphases:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. Recognition of lack of accessibility and need for it
>>>>>    2. Desire to make money
>>>>>    3. Desire to provide a real alternative to expensive option(s) many
>>>>>       cannot afford
>>>>>    4. Public relations value
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is no surprise that Windows, the world's most widely used computing
>>>>> platform, has more than its share of screen readers because all of the
>>>>> above have been at play with the various players in the field at one
>>>>> point or another.  I leave it to you, the reader, to decide which were
>>>>> bigger factors for each product.
>>>>>
>>>>> Factor #1 is utterly lacking on iOS and Android.  Whether one likes
>>>>> VoiceOver or TalkBack, both are fully mature products that do their
>>>>> job admirably.  There can almost certainly be nothing as far as
>>>>> factors numbers one through three are concerned in these environments,
>>>>> and given the degree of maturity and broad acceptance of what is
>>>>> already available, factor number four has almost zero impact.   Who's
>>>>> going to hail "the next VoiceOver/TalkBack"?   Not many, that's for
>>>>> darned sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are limited resources for implementing accessibility software,
>>>>> both monetary and otherwise.  It makes absolutely no sense to try to
>>>>> open a market that's not really a market in the first place.  Choices
>>>>> have to be made, and the probability of an entity that has the history
>>>>> of NVAccess doing a radical gear shift to other platforms makes very
>>>>> little sense from virtually any angle.
>>>>>
>>>>> My dear departed Aunt Lila used to quote a rather salty old relative
>>>>> of hers when people brought up wishes such as this, that have all the
>>>>> odds stacked against them, and for good reason, "Wish in one hand,
>>>>> s*^t in the other, and see which gets full first." That sums up my
>>>>> thoughts about the feasibility and likelihood of NVDA leaping across
>>>>> computing ecosystems.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>>>>>
>>>>> */A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
>>>>> need for illusion is deep./*
>>>>>
>>>>>             ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/
>>>>>
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