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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

 

I don't understand what the person is asking for. Are they asking for a program that saves into a history all we put into clipboard?
If so, then I'd recommend Ditto. I won't go further into it since as I said I don't know what the person wants exactly.
Em 21/02/2019 09:45, Gene escreveu:

I don't know if there is a program with that name.  As far as I know, they are called, as a class, clipboard viewers.  I haven't tried any.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

where can i download clipboard viewer?
is it free?
do you have any solution for me that i can use libreoffice while
unfortunately it does not support sayAll?

On 2/21/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Not in NVDA itself.
> There are programs called clipboard viewers and I assume you can use them to
> read all the contents that has been copied to the clipboard.  I haven't used
> or looked into them.
>
> .  As I recall, here again, the developers have a rational for their limit
> that makes no sense.  My recollection is that beyond a certain amount of
> material, it isn't practical to listen to it all.  Of course that is
> correct.  No one is going to listen to fifty screens of copied material.
> But it should be read anyway if the user issues the read clipboard contents
> command.  That way, the reader can listen to a sentence or two to make sure
> the command was carried out, then stop reading, as always, with control.
> The developers shouldn't decide, for the user, when material should be
> spoken in a case like this.  It makes just as little sense to argue that
> when using read to end, the command won't work in documents over a certain
> size because no one would want to listen to all that text being read at one
> time.  Of course not.  You would stop speech when you want to stop reading.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: zahra
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:58 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on
>
>
> hi gene.
> is there any solution that i can set nvda to read clipboard regardless
> of is the text is long or not?
> i believe nvda cant read more than 1000 or 1024 characters, but i wish
> to have a solution that nvda can reads anything in the clipboard, even
> i want to select and copy a large book with hundreds of pages.
> in this case, i can simply overcome the problem of not supporting
> sayAll in libreoffice.
> i can copy and peist my document in firefox or there is one option in
> libreoffice that i can temporarily open my document and read in
> firefox which has supporting for sayAll, but i need openning two
> programs at the same time, one libreoffice and one another program,
> firefox, which cause more system usage and power consumpsion.
> thanks for any of your help, God bless you!
>
> On 2/20/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> The way to do it is to incorporate the add-on that announces this into
>> the
>> source of the program or modify it and place it in source.  or if
>> desired,
>> though it is probably redeveloping the weel, developing the ability
>> independently in the screen-reader.  A lot of users will never know about
>> the add-on.
>>
>> The designers and developers refuse to do so, last I knew, because of the
>> claim, incorrect, that the announcement of when text is copied, cut, or
>> pasted, cannot be reliably known for screen-readers.  I have stated
>> before,
>> from years of use with JAWS and I know that System Access does as well,
>> that
>> this can be accurately done.  The add-on, is usually accurate as well.
>> I'm
>> not sure if it is every single time but I have never or almost never seen
>> an
>> error after something like eight months or more of regular use.
>>
>> Perhaps others verifying this would finally convince developers that this
>> can be accurately done.  This is an important ability and should be added
>> yesterday..
>> From: Jackie
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:37 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on
>>
>>
>> Well, weirdly enough, it does do this in Firefox, but not in Word,
>> Notepad, etc. They really should make that consistent, & they should
>> make it suchvvv that announcement could be toggled on/off as desired.
>>
>> On 2/20/19, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...>
>> wrote:
>>> I can confirm that, at least without an add-on to do it, NVDA doesn't
>>> announce anything when we perform such operations (cut, copy, paste
>>> etc.).
>>> What did you do to have these announcements?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Marcio
>>> Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>
>>>
>>> Em 20/02/2019 14:13, Jackie escreveu:
>>>> It does announce "copy to clipboard".
>>>>
>>>> On 2/20/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:
>>>>> I've been using NVDA since 2012 and never had this problem. However,
>>>>> NVDA will not announce anything like "copied to clipboard" so you
>>>>> might
>>>>> not think anything has happened, but it does still work normally. When
>>>>> you paste the text, you'll find it all worked.
>>>>> Roger
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/20/2019 10:54 AM, Ryan Boudwin wrote:
>>>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better
>>>>>> for me for certain web applications that I use for work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no
>>>>>> longer
>>>>>> works for copying text to the clipboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to
>>>>>> bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality
>>>>>> work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Boudwin
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Gene
 

I don't know if there is a program with that name.  As far as I know, they are called, as a class, clipboard viewers.  I haven't tried any.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

where can i download clipboard viewer?
is it free?
do you have any solution for me that i can use libreoffice while
unfortunately it does not support sayAll?

On 2/21/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Not in NVDA itself.
> There are programs called clipboard viewers and I assume you can use them to
> read all the contents that has been copied to the clipboard.  I haven't used
> or looked into them.
>
> .  As I recall, here again, the developers have a rational for their limit
> that makes no sense.  My recollection is that beyond a certain amount of
> material, it isn't practical to listen to it all.  Of course that is
> correct.  No one is going to listen to fifty screens of copied material.
> But it should be read anyway if the user issues the read clipboard contents
> command.  That way, the reader can listen to a sentence or two to make sure
> the command was carried out, then stop reading, as always, with control.
> The developers shouldn't decide, for the user, when material should be
> spoken in a case like this.  It makes just as little sense to argue that
> when using read to end, the command won't work in documents over a certain
> size because no one would want to listen to all that text being read at one
> time.  Of course not.  You would stop speech when you want to stop reading.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: zahra
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:58 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on
>
>
> hi gene.
> is there any solution that i can set nvda to read clipboard regardless
> of is the text is long or not?
> i believe nvda cant read more than 1000 or 1024 characters, but i wish
> to have a solution that nvda can reads anything in the clipboard, even
> i want to select and copy a large book with hundreds of pages.
> in this case, i can simply overcome the problem of not supporting
> sayAll in libreoffice.
> i can copy and peist my document in firefox or there is one option in
> libreoffice that i can temporarily open my document and read in
> firefox which has supporting for sayAll, but i need openning two
> programs at the same time, one libreoffice and one another program,
> firefox, which cause more system usage and power consumpsion.
> thanks for any of your help, God bless you!
>
> On 2/20/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> The way to do it is to incorporate the add-on that announces this into
>> the
>> source of the program or modify it and place it in source.  or if
>> desired,
>> though it is probably redeveloping the weel, developing the ability
>> independently in the screen-reader.  A lot of users will never know about
>> the add-on.
>>
>> The designers and developers refuse to do so, last I knew, because of the
>> claim, incorrect, that the announcement of when text is copied, cut, or
>> pasted, cannot be reliably known for screen-readers.  I have stated
>> before,
>> from years of use with JAWS and I know that System Access does as well,
>> that
>> this can be accurately done.  The add-on, is usually accurate as well.
>> I'm
>> not sure if it is every single time but I have never or almost never seen
>> an
>> error after something like eight months or more of regular use.
>>
>> Perhaps others verifying this would finally convince developers that this
>> can be accurately done.  This is an important ability and should be added
>> yesterday..
>> From: Jackie
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:37 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on
>>
>>
>> Well, weirdly enough, it does do this in Firefox, but not in Word,
>> Notepad, etc. They really should make that consistent, & they should
>> make it suchvvv that announcement could be toggled on/off as desired.
>>
>> On 2/20/19, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...>
>> wrote:
>>> I can confirm that, at least without an add-on to do it, NVDA doesn't
>>> announce anything when we perform such operations (cut, copy, paste
>>> etc.).
>>> What did you do to have these announcements?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Marcio
>>> Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>
>>>
>>> Em 20/02/2019 14:13, Jackie escreveu:
>>>> It does announce "copy to clipboard".
>>>>
>>>> On 2/20/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:
>>>>> I've been using NVDA since 2012 and never had this problem. However,
>>>>> NVDA will not announce anything like "copied to clipboard" so you
>>>>> might
>>>>> not think anything has happened, but it does still work normally. When
>>>>> you paste the text, you'll find it all worked.
>>>>> Roger
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/20/2019 10:54 AM, Ryan Boudwin wrote:
>>>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better
>>>>>> for me for certain web applications that I use for work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no
>>>>>> longer
>>>>>> works for copying text to the clipboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to
>>>>>> bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality
>>>>>> work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Boudwin
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>
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> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: having problems with re capture demo page

 

Hi Rui,
Good tip! I will try this when I  get my smartphone back :)
Em 21/02/2019 09:26, Rui Fontes escreveu:

Hello Márcio!

To avoid that I have used my smartphone as a HotSpot to access the page from another network, and I could again mark the checkbox to say I am not a robot and no captcha was asked...

Rui Fontes


Às 06:34 de 21/02/2019, marcio via Groups.Io escreveu:
I think I've tried it as well, but no joy. However will try again, let's see what I get :)

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/02/2019 03:22, Gene escreveu:
You can experiment with refreshing the page with f5.  I don't use captchas often enough to have had this problem more than once.  I think what happened was odd.  I think that I filled in the information in the form I had filled in previously, then I looked for the captcha.  As I recall, I didn't find it but when I submitted the form, it was accepted, as though refreshing the page had allowed the correctly solved captcha to be registered. Those with the problem can try this.
I had correctly solved the captcha the first time before refreshing the page.  I wasn't told that because the response was the possible spam announcement.
Gene
----- Original message -----
*From:* marcio via Groups.Io <mailto:marcinhorj21@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:45 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] having problems with re capture demo page

So, what we might do? Do you have any workaround for this?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/02/2019 02:22, Sarah k Alawami escreveu:

That's the thing. Sometimes if you do that once you might still get the too many accounts thing, or even if you don't do it at all. Iv'e had both on different sites.

On 20 Feb 2019, at 17:04, Gene wrote:

    Allowing popups may have helped, I don't know. Whatever the case,
    this will happen if you submit too many incorrect entries.  It
    will happen also for perhaps the reason stated in the below
    message.  But I do know that if you submit too many incorrect
    solutions, you won't be able to submit more for a certain amount
    of time.  So if you can do so at first, and then you can't.
    trying later will again allow you to do so.  Therefore, if an
    audio challenge is difficult, you may want to try submitting a
    solution once and then getting another one rather than trying
    multiple times with the current one.
    Gene
    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Sarah k Alawami <mailto:marrie12@...>
    *Sent:* Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:43 AM
    *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Subject:* Re: [nvda] having problems with re capture demo page

    I just did this 2 days ago when signing up for wwv, (no that is
    not a mis type) and did not get the issue. using safari, or in
    this case, used safari. I have seen this before. I was urged to
    allow pop ups by the tech support guys when I last got this. i
    did that and it worked. I then turned on my blocker afterwords.

    On 20 Feb 2019, at 7:39, Buddy Brannan wrote:

        This is not correct at all.

        I have only one Google account, and have been getting this
        same message, mind you only when selecting “Get an audio
        challenge”, on both Chrome and Safari. Google have clearly
        broken something here.

            On Feb 19, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Kenny
            <kwashingtonbox@...> wrote:

            The browser you're using has multiple Google accounts
            cookied. You have to visit the Google.com page and
            logout/remove any extra Google accounts. Then make sure
            only your main Google account is cookied on that browser.



            On 2/19/2019 4:48 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

                Hi guys

                I was asked on another list if people are having
                problems with re capture in this case he sent me a
                demo page and nvda reports unavailable in all
                editable sections it reads out the section. also down
                where you check the check box to say you are not a
                bot or what ever it is as soon as you check it it
                takes you to another page where it wants you to try
                and pass either a text bassed one or a audio one but
                then gives you a message saying

                Part of the message below. He gets this on other
                websites with capture .

                What happens is that I get a message that says we
                can't process your query because a computer on your
                network might be sending automated queries. I don't
                believe anything here is doing that. I've read that
                one of the ways reCAPTCHA uses to try to tell that
                we're not a robot is to look at your mouse movements.
                But of course I'm not using a mouse so it might look
                like I'm a robot. Maybe some people might agree but
                let's not go there right now.

                Is it on there side and they have broken it? I also
                tried some other browsers same sort of results with
                the latest stable version of nvda.

                There is a link in the email to the demo page.

                https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo





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                near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
                NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find
                out which location (or locations) are nearest to you
                please visit
                http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
                (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out
                which software is installed on the APNK network
                please visit the following link
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                To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please
                visit the following link
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                To find out which software is available on the
                Christchurch City Library network, and how to start
                the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following
                links. Software available
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                How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch
                City Library computers
                https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

                To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
                visit the following link
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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

 

where can i download clipboard viewer?
is it free?
do you have any solution for me that i can use libreoffice while
unfortunately it does not support sayAll?

On 2/21/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Not in NVDA itself.
There are programs called clipboard viewers and I assume you can use them to
read all the contents that has been copied to the clipboard. I haven't used
or looked into them.

. As I recall, here again, the developers have a rational for their limit
that makes no sense. My recollection is that beyond a certain amount of
material, it isn't practical to listen to it all. Of course that is
correct. No one is going to listen to fifty screens of copied material.
But it should be read anyway if the user issues the read clipboard contents
command. That way, the reader can listen to a sentence or two to make sure
the command was carried out, then stop reading, as always, with control.
The developers shouldn't decide, for the user, when material should be
spoken in a case like this. It makes just as little sense to argue that
when using read to end, the command won't work in documents over a certain
size because no one would want to listen to all that text being read at one
time. Of course not. You would stop speech when you want to stop reading.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on


hi gene.
is there any solution that i can set nvda to read clipboard regardless
of is the text is long or not?
i believe nvda cant read more than 1000 or 1024 characters, but i wish
to have a solution that nvda can reads anything in the clipboard, even
i want to select and copy a large book with hundreds of pages.
in this case, i can simply overcome the problem of not supporting
sayAll in libreoffice.
i can copy and peist my document in firefox or there is one option in
libreoffice that i can temporarily open my document and read in
firefox which has supporting for sayAll, but i need openning two
programs at the same time, one libreoffice and one another program,
firefox, which cause more system usage and power consumpsion.
thanks for any of your help, God bless you!

On 2/20/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
The way to do it is to incorporate the add-on that announces this into
the
source of the program or modify it and place it in source. or if
desired,
though it is probably redeveloping the weel, developing the ability
independently in the screen-reader. A lot of users will never know about
the add-on.

The designers and developers refuse to do so, last I knew, because of the
claim, incorrect, that the announcement of when text is copied, cut, or
pasted, cannot be reliably known for screen-readers. I have stated
before,
from years of use with JAWS and I know that System Access does as well,
that
this can be accurately done. The add-on, is usually accurate as well.
I'm
not sure if it is every single time but I have never or almost never seen
an
error after something like eight months or more of regular use.

Perhaps others verifying this would finally convince developers that this
can be accurately done. This is an important ability and should be added
yesterday..
From: Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on


Well, weirdly enough, it does do this in Firefox, but not in Word,
Notepad, etc. They really should make that consistent, & they should
make it suchvvv that announcement could be toggled on/off as desired.

On 2/20/19, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
wrote:
I can confirm that, at least without an add-on to do it, NVDA doesn't
announce anything when we perform such operations (cut, copy, paste
etc.).
What did you do to have these announcements?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 20/02/2019 14:13, Jackie escreveu:
It does announce "copy to clipboard".

On 2/20/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been using NVDA since 2012 and never had this problem. However,
NVDA will not announce anything like "copied to clipboard" so you
might
not think anything has happened, but it does still work normally. When
you paste the text, you'll find it all worked.
Roger











On 2/20/2019 10:54 AM, Ryan Boudwin wrote:
Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better
for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no
longer
works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to
bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality
work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin







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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: having problems with re capture demo page

Rui Fontes
 

Hello Márcio!

To avoid that I have used my smartphone as a HotSpot to access the page from another network, and I could again mark the checkbox to say I am not a robot and no captcha was asked...

Rui Fontes


Às 06:34 de 21/02/2019, marcio via Groups.Io escreveu:

I think I've tried it as well, but no joy. However will try again, let's see what I get :)
Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>
Em 21/02/2019 03:22, Gene escreveu:
You can experiment with refreshing the page with f5.  I don't use captchas often enough to have had this problem more than once.  I think what happened was odd.  I think that I filled in the information in the form I had filled in previously, then I looked for the captcha.  As I recall, I didn't find it but when I submitted the form, it was accepted, as though refreshing the page had allowed the correctly solved captcha to be registered. Those with the problem can try this.
I had correctly solved the captcha the first time before refreshing the page.  I wasn't told that because the response was the possible spam announcement.
Gene
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So, what we might do? Do you have any workaround for this?

Cheers,
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Em 21/02/2019 02:22, Sarah k Alawami escreveu:

That's the thing. Sometimes if you do that once you might still get the too many accounts thing, or even if you don't do it at all. Iv'e had both on different sites.

On 20 Feb 2019, at 17:04, Gene wrote:

Allowing popups may have helped, I don't know. Whatever the case,
this will happen if you submit too many incorrect entries.  It
will happen also for perhaps the reason stated in the below
message.  But I do know that if you submit too many incorrect
solutions, you won't be able to submit more for a certain amount
of time.  So if you can do so at first, and then you can't.
trying later will again allow you to do so.  Therefore, if an
audio challenge is difficult, you may want to try submitting a
solution once and then getting another one rather than trying
multiple times with the current one.
Gene
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*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] having problems with re capture demo page

I just did this 2 days ago when signing up for wwv, (no that is
not a mis type) and did not get the issue. using safari, or in
this case, used safari. I have seen this before. I was urged to
allow pop ups by the tech support guys when I last got this. i
did that and it worked. I then turned on my blocker afterwords.

On 20 Feb 2019, at 7:39, Buddy Brannan wrote:

This is not correct at all.

I have only one Google account, and have been getting this
same message, mind you only when selecting “Get an audio
challenge”, on both Chrome and Safari. Google have clearly
broken something here.

On Feb 19, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Kenny
<kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

The browser you're using has multiple Google accounts
cookied. You have to visit the Google.com page and
logout/remove any extra Google accounts. Then make sure
only your main Google account is cookied on that browser.



On 2/19/2019 4:48 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi guys

I was asked on another list if people are having
problems with re capture in this case he sent me a
demo page and nvda reports unavailable in all
editable sections it reads out the section. also down
where you check the check box to say you are not a
bot or what ever it is as soon as you check it it
takes you to another page where it wants you to try
and pass either a text bassed one or a audio one but
then gives you a message saying

Part of the message below. He gets this on other
websites with capture .

What happens is that I get a message that says we
can't process your query because a computer on your
network might be sending automated queries. I don't
believe anything here is doing that. I've read that
one of the ways reCAPTCHA uses to try to tell that
we're not a robot is to look at your mouse movements.
But of course I'm not using a mouse so it might look
like I'm a robot. Maybe some people might agree but
let's not go there right now.

Is it on there side and they have broken it? I also
tried some other browsers same sort of results with
the latest stable version of nvda.

There is a link in the email to the demo page.

https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo





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Re: Clipspeak does not work

Gene
 

Why is it back to the dumb add-on?  Does pasting occur when you hear the error?  When you hear the error, does that reliably tell you that pasting has occurred?  If so, then what difference does it make?  You are still being informed.  Of course, the problem should be fixed and even more urgently if the code is being added to the core, but you haven't indicated that this error interferes with pasting.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [nvda] Clipspeak does not work

I thought it might have been fixed but its still not able to paste into word
documents without the following error occurring.

There is insufficient memory. Save the document now

This seems not to care which version of Word I'm using, even old versions
like Word XP show this error.
 Very odd.
 I guess its a side issue due to how it checks clipboard contents. One has
to remember that pasting from say wordpad as I tried to Word is probably
dealing with both the normal and office clipboard which may have some
bearing on the problem so its back to the dumb add on unless anyone has any
fixes for the current add on.
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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Gene
 

Not in NVDA itself. 
There are programs called clipboard viewers and I assume you can use them to read all the contents that has been copied to the clipboard.  I haven't used or looked into them.
 
.  As I recall, here again, the developers have a rational for their limit that makes no sense.  My recollection is that beyond a certain amount of material, it isn't practical to listen to it all.  Of course that is correct.  No one is going to listen to fifty screens of copied material.  But it should be read anyway if the user issues the read clipboard contents command.  That way, the reader can listen to a sentence or two to make sure the command was carried out, then stop reading, as always, with control.  The developers shouldn't decide, for the user, when material should be spoken in a case like this.  It makes just as little sense to argue that when using read to end, the command won't work in documents over a certain size because no one would want to listen to all that text being read at one time.  Of course not.  You would stop speech when you want to stop reading.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

hi gene.
is there any solution that i can set nvda to read clipboard regardless
of is the text is long or not?
i believe nvda cant read more than 1000 or 1024 characters, but i wish
to have a solution that nvda can reads anything in the clipboard, even
i want to select and copy a large book with hundreds of pages.
in this case, i can simply overcome the problem of not supporting
sayAll in libreoffice.
i can copy and peist my document in firefox or there is one option in
libreoffice that i can temporarily open my document and read in
firefox which has supporting for sayAll, but i need openning two
programs at the same time, one libreoffice and one another program,
firefox, which cause more system usage and power consumpsion.
thanks for any of your help, God bless you!

On 2/20/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> The way to do it is to incorporate the add-on that announces this into the
> source of the program or modify it and place it in source.  or if desired,
> though it is probably redeveloping the weel, developing the ability
> independently in the screen-reader.  A lot of users will never know about
> the add-on.
>
> The designers and developers refuse to do so, last I knew, because of the
> claim, incorrect, that the announcement of when text is copied, cut, or
> pasted, cannot be reliably known for screen-readers.  I have stated before,
> from years of use with JAWS and I know that System Access does as well, that
> this can be accurately done.  The add-on, is usually accurate as well.  I'm
> not sure if it is every single time but I have never or almost never seen an
> error after something like eight months or more of regular use.
>
> Perhaps others verifying this would finally convince developers that this
> can be accurately done.  This is an important ability and should be added
> yesterday..
> From: Jackie
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:37 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on
>
>
> Well, weirdly enough, it does do this in Firefox, but not in Word,
> Notepad, etc. They really should make that consistent, & they should
> make it suchvvv that announcement could be toggled on/off as desired.
>
> On 2/20/19, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...>
> wrote:
>> I can confirm that, at least without an add-on to do it, NVDA doesn't
>> announce anything when we perform such operations (cut, copy, paste
>> etc.).
>> What did you do to have these announcements?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Marcio
>> Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>
>>
>> Em 20/02/2019 14:13, Jackie escreveu:
>>> It does announce "copy to clipboard".
>>>
>>> On 2/20/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:
>>>> I've been using NVDA since 2012 and never had this problem. However,
>>>> NVDA will not announce anything like "copied to clipboard" so you might
>>>> not think anything has happened, but it does still work normally. When
>>>> you paste the text, you'll find it all worked.
>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/20/2019 10:54 AM, Ryan Boudwin wrote:
>>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better
>>>>> for me for certain web applications that I use for work.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
>>>>> works for copying text to the clipboard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to
>>>>> bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality
>>>>> work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan Boudwin
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Gene
 

That isn't correct.  It is because in Browse Mode, the screen-reader is accurately informed, according to the developers, when such actions take place and so it is announced.  It has nothing to do with the reasons you give. 
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Its because in Firefox its n nvda command, as it cannot be done in firefox
for the sighted with the same result.
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From: "Jackie" <abletec@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on


> Well, weirdly enough, it does do this in Firefox, but not in Word,
> Notepad, etc. They really should make that consistent, & they should
> make it suchvvv that announcement could be toggled on/off as desired.
>
> On 2/20/19, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...>
> wrote:
>> I can confirm that, at least without an add-on to do it, NVDA doesn't
>> announce anything when we perform such operations (cut, copy, paste
>> etc.).
>> What did you do to have these announcements?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Marcio
>> Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>
>>
>> Em 20/02/2019 14:13, Jackie escreveu:
>>> It does announce "copy to clipboard".
>>>
>>> On 2/20/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:
>>>> I've been using NVDA since 2012 and never had this problem. However,
>>>> NVDA will not announce anything like "copied to clipboard" so you might
>>>> not think anything has happened, but it does still work normally. When
>>>> you paste the text, you'll find it all worked.
>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/20/2019 10:54 AM, Ryan Boudwin wrote:
>>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better
>>>>> for me for certain web applications that I use for work.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
>>>>> works for copying text to the clipboard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to
>>>>> bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality
>>>>> work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan Boudwin
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Gene
 

it was possible for a long time in the past.  I don't know where developers got their erroneous information but JAWS accurately spoke this information for a long time before NVDA and System Access has accurately done so since its release.  The only screen-reader that was popular in The united States that didn't was Window-eyes.  It spoke when the command was pressed regardless of whether copying, cutting, or pasting took place. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Yes I do feel more care should have been taken in the original design of
nvda. We had numerous  discussions in the early days, with certain
developers saying the sighted see no change, but that is not strictly true,
as the see the files appear, and we have to cursor about to know that, so
this should have been in nvda earlier on. OK at first it was not possible to
do it, but later it obviously was as there are add ons that almost get it
right.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on


There are two add-ons.  There is an old one that just speaks the aaction.
there is a newer one that speaks that action itself.  When it doesn't detect
a change, it announces no change, when copying or cutting.  When you paste,
if there is nothing to paste, it announces something like no text on
clipboard.  This should be changed to something like nothing in clipboard
because of its use to paste files as well as text.

I can't tell you how unnecessarily annoying it is not to have the
announcement, to copy many files or a folder to the clipboard, try to paste
them somewhere else, only to have the previous files placed in the wrong
location because for some reason copy didn't work and there was no way to
know that.  It is not necessarily at all convenient, finding and deleting
many files copied to the wrong place that were already pasted to the right
place in the previous operation.  As I said, this is an important feature.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on


But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or
just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard,"
whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used
to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew
I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but
didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not.
If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's
silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the
clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large
block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells
you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large
portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation
of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the
full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be
easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

> Hello there,
>
>
> Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?
>
>
> There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to
> clipboard or pasted.
>
>
> The one I use is called
>
>
> FakeClipboardannouncement.
>
>
> hth, ciao,
>
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
>









Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

 

I just tested it and it works and also announces it.
Nevzat

On 2/21/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It is not generally very slow. there are times when it is slow but in
general, while you wait a little, it is much better to wait a little than to
not know if something is done, such as when you are copying files to the
clipboard. Before the add/on, I had the experience, more than once, of
copying a number of files to the clipboard, then pasting them somewhere.
Then I would copy other files to the clipboard and paste them somewhere
else. Because I received no indication of whether copying had taken place,
I had no way to know. The result was that the first files were again copied
and copied in the wrong location. I had to manually remove them, that is,
find them in the list and delete them, then go back, paste the files again,
and copy the correct ones to the correct location. Now that's slow. I
don't mind waiting a second to hear the confirmation when it may save me
from what I just described.

I don't use Word so I can't comment on the low memory errors. But the
add-on you used was the first version. As I recall, there was an update.
Did you try it to see if it was faster and if the low memory errors were
eliminated? Further, did others experience the low memory errors? At this
point, we don't know if this is an uncommon problem or a common one.

Gene
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Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on


I stopped using the add onyou describe that is intelligent as it kept on
throwing up low memory errors in word and was very slow.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on


Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described.
That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described
after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.

Cheers,
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Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:
But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or
just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard,"
whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used
to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I
knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action,
but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did
not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as
NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on
the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large
block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it
tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving
large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some
confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or
so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to
hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to
clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie















Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Gene
 

It is not generally very slow.  there are times when it is slow but in general, while you wait a little, it is much better to wait a little than to not know if something is done, such as when you are copying files to the clipboard.  Before the add/on, I had the experience, more than once, of copying a number of files to the clipboard, then pasting them somewhere.  Then I would copy other files to the clipboard and paste them somewhere else.  Because I received no indication of whether copying had taken place, I had no way to know.  The result was that the first files were again copied and copied in the wrong location.  I had to manually remove them, that is, find them in the list and delete them, then go back, paste the files again, and copy the correct ones to the correct location.  Now that's slow.  I don't mind waiting a second to hear the confirmation when it may save me from what I just described. 
 
I don't use Word so I can't comment on the low memory errors.  But the add-on you used was the first version.  As I recall, there was an update.  Did you try it to see if it was faster and if the low memory errors were eliminated?  Further, did others experience the low memory errors?  At this point, we don't know if this is an uncommon problem or a common one.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

I stopped using the add onyou describe that is intelligent as it kept on
throwing up low memory errors in word and was very slow.
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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on


> Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described.
> That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
> However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described
> after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.
>
> Cheers,
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>
> Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:
>> But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or
>> just the keyboard command when pressed?
>>
>> When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard,"
>> whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used
>> to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I
>> knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action,
>> but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did
>> not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as
>> NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on
>> the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.
>>
>> Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large
>> block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it
>> tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving
>> large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some
>> confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or
>> so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to
>> hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>> On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:
>>
>>> Hello there,
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?
>>>
>>>
>>> There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to
>>> clipboard or pasted.
>>>
>>>
>>> The one I use is called
>>>
>>>
>>> FakeClipboardannouncement.
>>>
>>>
>>> hth, ciao,
>>>
>>> Ollie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Clipspeak does not work

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!
I use ClipSpeak all the time, and have never had the error you describe,
Brian, not even in Microsoft Word. Either I'm simply lucky, or there is some
problem with your copy of Word, although I can't guess what that would be.
Do any other ClipSpeak users have the "insufficient memory" error mentioned
below?
Bye for now!
From Clare

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Subject: [nvda] Clipspeak does not work

I thought it might have been fixed but its still not able to paste into word

documents without the following error occurring.

There is insufficient memory. Save the document now

This seems not to care which version of Word I'm using, even old versions
like Word XP show this error.
Very odd.
I guess its a side issue due to how it checks clipboard contents. One has
to remember that pasting from say wordpad as I tried to Word is probably
dealing with both the normal and office clipboard which may have some
bearing on the problem so its back to the dumb add on unless anyone has any
fixes for the current add on.
Brian.

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Re: NVDA and sounds

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I have used such a sound when an email has an attachment.
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Clipspeak does not work

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I thought it might have been fixed but its still not able to paste into word documents without the following error occurring.

There is insufficient memory. Save the document now

This seems not to care which version of Word I'm using, even old versions like Word XP show this error.
Very odd.
I guess its a side issue due to how it checks clipboard contents. One has to remember that pasting from say wordpad as I tried to Word is probably dealing with both the normal and office clipboard which may have some bearing on the problem so its back to the dumb add on unless anyone has any fixes for the current add on.
Brian.

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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

 

hi gene.
is there any solution that i can set nvda to read clipboard regardless
of is the text is long or not?
i believe nvda cant read more than 1000 or 1024 characters, but i wish
to have a solution that nvda can reads anything in the clipboard, even
i want to select and copy a large book with hundreds of pages.
in this case, i can simply overcome the problem of not supporting
sayAll in libreoffice.
i can copy and peist my document in firefox or there is one option in
libreoffice that i can temporarily open my document and read in
firefox which has supporting for sayAll, but i need openning two
programs at the same time, one libreoffice and one another program,
firefox, which cause more system usage and power consumpsion.
thanks for any of your help, God bless you!

On 2/20/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
The way to do it is to incorporate the add-on that announces this into the
source of the program or modify it and place it in source. or if desired,
though it is probably redeveloping the weel, developing the ability
independently in the screen-reader. A lot of users will never know about
the add-on.

The designers and developers refuse to do so, last I knew, because of the
claim, incorrect, that the announcement of when text is copied, cut, or
pasted, cannot be reliably known for screen-readers. I have stated before,
from years of use with JAWS and I know that System Access does as well, that
this can be accurately done. The add-on, is usually accurate as well. I'm
not sure if it is every single time but I have never or almost never seen an
error after something like eight months or more of regular use.

Perhaps others verifying this would finally convince developers that this
can be accurately done. This is an important ability and should be added
yesterday..
From: Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on


Well, weirdly enough, it does do this in Firefox, but not in Word,
Notepad, etc. They really should make that consistent, & they should
make it suchvvv that announcement could be toggled on/off as desired.

On 2/20/19, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
wrote:
I can confirm that, at least without an add-on to do it, NVDA doesn't
announce anything when we perform such operations (cut, copy, paste
etc.).
What did you do to have these announcements?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 20/02/2019 14:13, Jackie escreveu:
It does announce "copy to clipboard".

On 2/20/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been using NVDA since 2012 and never had this problem. However,
NVDA will not announce anything like "copied to clipboard" so you might
not think anything has happened, but it does still work normally. When
you paste the text, you'll find it all worked.
Roger











On 2/20/2019 10:54 AM, Ryan Boudwin wrote:
Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better
for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to
bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality
work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin







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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

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Not sure about Windows 7, its working for me. Don't throw the thing away it might be something simple!
Incidentally I devices are very accessible with voice over. I was genuinely surprised how well they work. One might suspect they had nicked a few ideas from nvda as well, such as phonetics etc.
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From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on



Hey there: Have you went to the Adonis site. There’s an add on called clip speak. it tells you that you copied text to the clipboard. or you paste text elsewhere. I’m using my I pad because my computer windows 7 does not work anymore. You can operate it if you are a sighted person who doesn’t need audio speech. I will have to bite the bullet and get win ten.


Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

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Have you also tried closing command windows using the mouse on the little x?
That can be a fun way to confuse a screenreader user. Instant no screenreader.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Boudwin" <ryanboudwin@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on


I am not using any addons. I checked the github and the issue Quentin
mentioned is exactly what is happening. Here's the link to the known issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/1464

I am a low vision user and still use the mouse for some tasks; I've
confirmed the CTRL-C issue is only a problem with text I have selected with
the mouse, just as reported in issue 1464 above.

Thanks for the help everyone.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:21 PM Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org>
wrote:

Did you mention in one email further in the thread that copying with
control+c is working in Word but not Firefox? Do you happen to be
selecting text with the mouse? There is a known issue where if you select
text with the mouse on the web, pressing CONTROL+C doesn't work with NVDA
running. In that case, what you can do is either right click or press the
applications key to open the context menu, and choose "copy".

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:57 AM Ryan Boudwin <ryanboudwin@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better for
me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to bind
to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality work again?
It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin

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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

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And of course just to be complete, these commands do not work in command windows, you have to use the menus.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on


Did you mention in one email further in the thread that copying with
control+c is working in Word but not Firefox? Do you happen to be
selecting text with the mouse? There is a known issue where if you select
text with the mouse on the web, pressing CONTROL+C doesn't work with NVDA
running. In that case, what you can do is either right click or press the
applications key to open the context menu, and choose "copy".

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:57 AM Ryan Boudwin <ryanboudwin@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better for
me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to bind
to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality work again?
It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin


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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

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Its because in Firefox its n nvda command, as it cannot be done in firefox for the sighted with the same result.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie" <abletec@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on


Well, weirdly enough, it does do this in Firefox, but not in Word,
Notepad, etc. They really should make that consistent, & they should
make it suchvvv that announcement could be toggled on/off as desired.

On 2/20/19, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
I can confirm that, at least without an add-on to do it, NVDA doesn't
announce anything when we perform such operations (cut, copy, paste etc.).
What did you do to have these announcements?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 20/02/2019 14:13, Jackie escreveu:
It does announce "copy to clipboard".

On 2/20/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been using NVDA since 2012 and never had this problem. However,
NVDA will not announce anything like "copied to clipboard" so you might
not think anything has happened, but it does still work normally. When
you paste the text, you'll find it all worked.
Roger











On 2/20/2019 10:54 AM, Ryan Boudwin wrote:
Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better
for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to
bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality
work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin







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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

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Only on certain applications, natively, since its using its own routine, for example to copy the raw characters of a web page not what windows might do.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie" <abletec@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on


It does announce "copy to clipboard".

On 2/20/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been using NVDA since 2012 and never had this problem. However,
NVDA will not announce anything like "copied to clipboard" so you might
not think anything has happened, but it does still work normally. When
you paste the text, you'll find it all worked.
Roger











On 2/20/2019 10:54 AM, Ryan Boudwin wrote:
Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better
for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to
bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality
work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin





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