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Re: NVDA in Employment

Andy B.
 

Part of the reason secured environments don’t allow NVDA is partly because it is written in Python, an interpreted programming language much like Java or JavaScript. Python is not type safe. This means that if you have a variable such as age = 26 in an add-on somewhere, age could be changed to the word “frozen!” and the entire system crashes down on you. Although interpreted languages are a write once, run anywhere concept, runtime is much slower than compiled programming languages such as C++ and C#. I digress though, C# is partially compiled, then ran in an interpreted environment. In either case, NVDA is prone to more errors and problems than JAWS.

The other problem is that NVDA isn’t promoted enough. It has been around for about 10 years, but JAWS has been around since the 80s. Who can compete with something that stable?

 

Andy Borka

Accessibility engineer

 

From: kelby carlson
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 7:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA in Emploandenp

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I hope this isn't too off-topic. I recently heard an argument that NVDA is bad for blind prospect's in employment because it is the "dumbed down" solution. The person arguing this elaborated, saying that NVDA is not customizable/flexible enough (too chatty"), that it was not able to be scripted as easily, it didn't work well with as much proprietary software, and that it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open source.

 

So my question is this: how many people here use NVDA for work, and is there a notable dilerence in level of usability with JAWS?

 

Also, does NVDA have a skim reading feature like JAWS?

 

 

 
Re: NVDA in Employment

Antony Stone
 

Anyone who suggests that open source software shouldn't be allowed in a secure
environment doesn't understand the concept of peer review and "we have nothing
to hide - look at our software and judge for yourself (I don't mean the
average user, I mean security experts) whether it's secure or not".

Proprietary software can hide all sorts of bugs and backdoors the vendor wants
to behind the cloak of secrecy. That's not the same as security.

Antony.

On Sunday 25 August 2019 at 13:38:39, kelby carlson wrote:

Hi, everyone,

I hope this isn't too off-topic. I recently heard an argument that NVDA is
bad for blind prospect's in employment because it is the "dumbed down"
solution. The person arguing this elaborated, saying that NVDA is not
customizable/flexible enough (too chatty"), that it was not able to be
scripted as easily, it didn't work well with as much proprietary software,
and that it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open
source.

So my question is this: how many people here use NVDA for work, and is
there a notable dilerence in level of usability with JAWS?

Also, does NVDA have a skim reading feature like JAWS?
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Re: NVDA in Employment

zahra
 

hello for your second question about reading,
please check
Allow skim reading in Say All
in keyboard setting.
i activated this feature and it works greatly in most parts.

On 8/25/19, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
Hi, everyone,

I hope this isn't too off-topic. I recently heard an argument that NVDA is
bad for blind prospect's in employment because it is the "dumbed down"
solution. The person arguing this elaborated, saying that NVDA is not
customizable/flexible enough (too chatty"), that it was not able to be
scripted as easily, it didn't work well with as much proprietary software,
and that it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open
source.

So my question is this: how many people here use NVDA for work, and is there
a notable dilerence in level of usability with JAWS?

Also, does NVDA have a skim reading feature like JAWS?



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NVDA in Employment

kelby carlson
 

Hi, everyone,

I hope this isn't too off-topic. I recently heard an argument that NVDA is bad for blind prospect's in employment because it is the "dumbed down" solution. The person arguing this elaborated, saying that NVDA is not customizable/flexible enough (too chatty"), that it was not able to be scripted as easily, it didn't work well with as much proprietary software, and that it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open source.

So my question is this: how many people here use NVDA for work, and is there a notable dilerence in level of usability with JAWS?

Also, does NVDA have a skim reading feature like JAWS?
Re: how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

Inam Uddin
 

Yes me too.

Those instructions didn’t work!

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From: Michele Barbi
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 11:56 AM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] A Very Important Question Regarding JAWS ScriptFor Skype Electron

 

Well I sincerely don't understand whats happening there, as I said I am using Skype 8.51.0.72 and scripts 121 are working fine on my hand. Don't know if it makes any difference,

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

Those instructions didn’t work.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

Open NVDA  menu

Preferences

Punctuation/symbol pronunciation

Arrow down to the symbol you wish to change and tab once. Clear the field and type what you want to hear.

 

 ******

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From: Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

Hi, how  do I   change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

 
Re: Anybody have a podcatcher recommendation?

Marcio
 

John,
I've used a few of these podcasters but currently I'm definitely not into podcasts. So, while I can give you links with the programs I really can't give details. Sorry :(

Well, let's go.
While using podcasters, I found HermesPod quite good and easy to use. It's also very light, perhaps your best bet.
There's also Vov Podcast Downloader. This one will crash a lot but it's perfectly usable. Some people will say that this is totally intentional so that you buy the Pro version. I won't say I don't believe them :)
Lastly, there's Accessible Podcatcher. As the name suggests, it's indeed accessible. It's been made for the blind from day one.
However, maybe this isn't the best podcaster among these three ones. You can try and see what you think, either way.

That's it. Hope this helps a bit :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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John Isige wrote:

Googling I find this thread from 2017.


https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/podcatcher_with_nvda/6012532?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,380,6012532


As has been pointed out in that thread, QCast doesn't work anymore, at least for me it's stopped playing or downloading unless there's been an update which I doubt. I too don't have a device, nor do I want to use iTunes because it's clunky garbage, ditto with the webbIE stuff. QCast worked just fine for me and I wish it still did. But it doesn't, so here I am. I don't want Apple anything, I'm not buying a device, and I don't want to do my own googling for podcasts and chasing down URLs and pasting them in somewhere and hoping they'll download. Basically, I want something a lot like QCast, exactly like it if it can be managed, that actually downloads and plays podcasts. In particular downloading to folders would be nice, since there was a podcast for learning Irish flute tunes I want to chase down again. I thought I'd grabbed a bunch and saved them somewhere but I'm not finding them, hence the need for a working podcatcher. I know I've tried a few before, though I can't remember names, before coming across QCast that weren't really accessible. This is under Windows 10 if it matters, and latest NVDA obviously. Anybody have any recommendations?
Re: how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Those instructions didn’t work.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

Open NVDA  menu

Preferences

Punctuation/symbol pronunciation

Arrow down to the symbol you wish to change and tab once. Clear the field and type what you want to hear.

 

 ******

Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

Hi, how  do I   change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 
Re: getting NVDA to read number of unread messages when doing control y and arrowing up and down through folders

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Control-tab and control-shift-tab works with Outlook 2016, Outlook 2019 and Outlook 365. I use it since years and it
shows me exactly. The number of unread mails in a folder.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 25. August 2019 09:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting NVDA to read number of unread messages when doing control y and arrowing up and down through
folders

It doesn't I'm using outlook 2016. This really needs to be addressed.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting NVDA to read number of unread messages when doing control y and arrowing up and down through
folders

I see. In the comments to that issue, Quentin gave a suggestion. Does that work for you?

"If CONTROL+SHIFT+TAB is used to move from the current folder to the folder list pane on screen (not the Go to Folder
dialog), the unread count is read correctly in both NVDA and Narrator."

Obviously that may not always be a practical solution for some people, but it is "a" solution, if it still works.

Luke

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019, Dennis L wrote:

I am not the only one to file this issue. I think my request was closed.
Hear is another one.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5068
Re: Clock chimes

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

The clock is an addon. You can find it by opening the addon managerand  entering on ‘get addon’. Once installed open the NVDA menu, go to preferences, open settings and press c for clock.

I would suggest that before going in to set the clock take the files I provided and paste them into:

 

C:\users|your name\ap-data\roaming\NVDA\addons\clock\global\clock\waves

 

Then restart NVDA so that they will show in the list when you are ready to set the clock.

 

 ******

Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clock chimes

 

Could someone please tell me how I even get to the clock or how I download it? I would like to use it.

 

Thanks.

 

Betsy

 

On 8/24/2019 2:13 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

Here are more chimes for the clock addon

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ma5cczd0lvzlip/ClockChimes.zip?dl=1

 

 

 ******

Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 
Re: how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Open NVDA  menu

Preferences

Punctuation/symbol pronunciation

Arrow down to the symbol you wish to change and tab once. Clear the field and type what you want to hear.

 

 ******

Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

Hi, how  do I   change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 
Re: Google Drive and NVDA and Windows

Shaun Everiss
 

I agree, yes you can log in but the sync settings menus just don't work anyway, and the program puts a window on screen all the time and it crashes, why google doesn't make this work we will never know.



On 25/08/2019 7:51 PM, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William wrote:
I tried the installation of google backup and sync once and it is totally inaccessible.
 
I would say, even after you have installed the backup and sync, you need to first login and make basic setup before the sync can work.
However the UI of the window is not accessible with NVDA, in case you need to set up , I think it pretty much require someone who can see to help you go through the initial set up process.
 


David Moore 於 24/8/2019 10:35 寫道:

Hi Dan!

If you enter on your name, users, Google Drive is there with your documents and downloads folders and so on!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Drive and NVDA and Windows

 

Hi,

 

The problem is that Google Drive doesn't show up either on the desktop or in the app list.  I see docs, sheets and some others but not drive.

 

thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

On 8/23/2019 7:40 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:

If you've already installed Google Back-up and Sync, just go to your desktop and click on Google Drive. It opens just like Windows Explorer, and you can browse and manage files from there. I hope that helps. 
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Re: quiet time for NVDA clock

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I will test it again. I tested it on two pc’s at the same time with different quiet time regions.

 

 ******

Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Luke Davis
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] quiet time for NVDA clock

 

Interesting, because one of my failed tests was 10:00 PM through 1:01 AM, and

when I hit midnight, it broke down.

 

Did you test that past midnight? If so, we are getting different results.

 

Luke

 

On Sat, 24 Aug 2019, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

 

>                 I think I figured out how to make the quiet time work. When you enter the time for example, starting time: 10:00 PM to 5:00 AM be sure not

> to place a 0 in front of the 5 (a single digit hour) and make sure that there is a space before AM and PM and they must be capitalized.

 

 

 
Re: Is there an NVDA add on for Whatsapp Web?

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

Hi Ibrahim,


As far as I know, there are two possibilities: either use WhatsApp web as you suggested, or use the desktop application.  As far as accessibility goes, both might be somewhat equivalent, because the desktop application actually uses a web rendering.  I would think the website itself is more accessible, if only a little.  I used the desktop application for awhile and would have tried the web version if that weren't for this scan-your-PC-screen-with-your-iphone login that I can't possibly do alone (at least, I didn't find out how).


Desktop app (Windows 8 and higher, 32-bit): https://web.whatsapp.com/desktop/windows/release/ia32/WhatsAppSetup.exe

Whatsapp web: https://web.whatsapp.com


HTH,


Vincent

On 8/21/2019 4:20 AM, Ibrahim Abedrabbo wrote:
Hello folks,
Are there any add ons for accessing Whatsapp Web with NVDA? If so, where can I find it? What is the best way to access whatsapp on the PC with NVDA?
Any hints would be appreciated.


Regards,
Ibrahim
Re: Clock chimes

Marcio
 

Betsy,
Could someone please tell me how I even get to the clock or how I download it?
You can find this and other add-ons on the NVDA Add-ons Community Webpage.
The Clock add-on can be downloaded here.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Clock chimes

Marcio
 

Robert,
Please, could you include the first chime (if you haven't done it already) on the pack? I missed this one.
Thanks :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Google Drive and NVDA and Windows

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

I tried the installation of google backup and sync once and it is totally inaccessible.
 
I would say, even after you have installed the backup and sync, you need to first login and make basic setup before the sync can work.
However the UI of the window is not accessible with NVDA, in case you need to set up , I think it pretty much require someone who can see to help you go through the initial set up process.
 


David Moore 於 24/8/2019 10:35 寫道:

Hi Dan!

If you enter on your name, users, Google Drive is there with your documents and downloads folders and so on!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Drive and NVDA and Windows

 

Hi,

 

The problem is that Google Drive doesn't show up either on the desktop or in the app list.  I see docs, sheets and some others but not drive.

 

thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

On 8/23/2019 7:40 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:

If you've already installed Google Back-up and Sync, just go to your desktop and click on Google Drive. It opens just like Windows Explorer, and you can browse and manage files from there. I hope that helps. 
--
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@... 

-- 
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Re: getting NVDA to read number of unread messages when doing control y and arrowing up and down through folders

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

It doesn't I'm using outlook 2016. This really needs to be addressed.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting NVDA to read number of unread messages when
doing control y and arrowing up and down through folders

I see. In the comments to that issue, Quentin gave a suggestion. Does that
work for you?

"If CONTROL+SHIFT+TAB is used to move from the current folder to the folder
list pane on screen (not the Go to Folder dialog), the unread count is read
correctly in both NVDA and Narrator."

Obviously that may not always be a practical solution for some people, but
it is "a" solution, if it still works.

Luke

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019, Dennis L wrote:

I am not the only one to file this issue. I think my request was closed.
Hear is another one.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5068
Re: getting NVDA to read number of unread messages when doing control y and arrowing up and down through folders

Luke Davis
 

I see. In the comments to that issue, Quentin gave a suggestion. Does that work for you?

"If CONTROL+SHIFT+TAB is used to move from the current folder to the folder list pane on screen (not the Go to Folder dialog), the unread count is read correctly in both NVDA and Narrator."

Obviously that may not always be a practical solution for some people, but it is "a" solution, if it still works.

Luke

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019, Dennis L wrote:

I am not the only one to file this issue. I think my request was closed.
Hear is another one.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5068
Anybody have a podcatcher recommendation?

John Isige
 

Googling I find this thread from 2017.


https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/podcatcher_with_nvda/6012532?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,380,6012532


As has been pointed out in that thread, QCast doesn't work anymore, at least for me it's stopped playing or downloading unless there's been an update which I doubt. I too don't have a device, nor do I want to use iTunes because it's clunky garbage, ditto with the webbIE stuff. QCast worked just fine for me and I wish it still did. But it doesn't, so here I am. I don't want Apple anything, I'm not buying a device, and I don't want to do my own googling for podcasts and chasing down URLs and pasting them in somewhere and hoping they'll download. Basically, I want something a lot like QCast, exactly like it if it can be managed, that actually downloads and plays podcasts. In particular downloading to folders would be nice, since there was a podcast for learning Irish flute tunes I want to chase down again. I thought I'd grabbed a bunch and saved them somewhere but I'm not finding them, hence the need for a working podcatcher. I know I've tried a few before, though I can't remember names, before coming across QCast that weren't really accessible. This is under Windows 10 if it matters, and latest NVDA obviously. Anybody have any recommendations?
how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Hi, how  do I   change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe
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