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Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

I thought that service went away? I baught some credits but could never ge the add on to work again after last year. Is it back now? I miss that service.

On 15 Feb 2019, at 2:27, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:

Hi. The one I personally use with great success is Rumola, they're very reasonably priced.

http://skipinput.com/

Very best wishes,

Mo.


Now availible: essential lessons from NVDA Development basics

 

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After feedback from members, I’d like to announce community-wide release of these lessons on my website (a text file but formatted in Markdown format), which can be found at:

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Cheers,

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Re: Graphics that contain links

 

Speaking for myself, I'm going to echo Gene's earlier sentiments.  It really helps if you can give the URL to a page that exhibits the object in question and direct someone to said object.

I have been, how shall I put it nicely, complaining bitterly for a while now that it's becoming commonplace to mask links visually as if they were buttons.  They still activate the same way, but if you're a sighted person trying to direct someone who's blind to something on a page, and it looks like a button, you'll probably have them use button quick navigation to get there if you don't have them use screen reader search.  It's maddening when "a button (visually) is not a button (actually)."

These seem to activate just like any other link, though, in the vast majority of cases.  Once you've got focus, activate 'em by your method of choice.

As with all things accessibility, I'm sure there are exceptions, and those are the interesting cases to dig in to.
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Re: Instances of redundancy

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Ivan and Ivan2 are selections under settings, espeak-ng, english (us), then ivan (it turns out I'm using ivan, though I'm fairly certain that at one time I was using Ivan2.

I like them because they're a bit louder than some of the other voices, and a bit deeper, though only by degrees.

On 2/15/2019 9:35 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
I also use Espeak. I have never heard of Ivan or Ivan2 though. What are those?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 15. Feb. 2019 um 15:23 Uhr schrieb Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com>:


Re: Graphics that contain links

Aravind R
 

apart from enter and insert+enter, we can try control+enter and left
click by routing mouse cursor to PC then pressing numberpad minus. Our
bank's e learning module wont allow me to succeed with any off these
technique. then we switch off brouse mode by using insert+space then
activate links using tab. even after these, some pages inside our bank
wont work in such cases, i have to ask sited colligues help.

On 2/15/19, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:
When I encounter one of these links, I've generally had no trouble
activating them in the usual way.  Either use the enter key (if moving
via arrows), or use the NVDA-numpad enter key to activate them.
Depending on how they're coded, the normal enter key works, if they're
javascript, then NVDA-NUMPAD enter usually does the trick.  There are a
few cases where this doesn't work either, and in those cases, I just
move on to something else, because it's more effort than it's worth to
fuss with it to make it work.  I'm very much a least effort type person,
if it's too much work, I'll ignore it and get the information elsewhere.

On 2/15/2019 6:00 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

A number of sites are now using graphics that  contain links. How do
you activate these links using NVDA               ?

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Re: Graphics that contain links

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

When I encounter one of these links, I've generally had no trouble activating them in the usual way.  Either use the enter key (if moving via arrows), or use the NVDA-numpad enter key to activate them.  Depending on how they're coded, the normal enter key works, if they're javascript, then NVDA-NUMPAD enter usually does the trick.  There are a few cases where this doesn't work either, and in those cases, I just move on to something else, because it's more effort than it's worth to fuss with it to make it work.  I'm very much a least effort type person, if it's too much work, I'll ignore it and get the information elsewhere.

On 2/15/2019 6:00 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

A number of sites are now using graphics that  contain links. How do you activate these links using NVDA               ?

 

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Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

 

Something's definitely gone south in the world of Rumola.

Do a Chrome Store search on extensions for Buster.   It has some very good, and very recent, reviews and appears to deal with the new multi-panel image captchas by using AI to solve their audio option instead.   I can't say anything about it personally as I don't use it.

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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

AKH AKH
 

Is there a tutorial about how to get the best out of mouse control using NVDA?  It all sounds complicated.


Andrew


On 15/02/2019 15:20, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

I couldn’t agree more, NVDA is absolutely fine for the majority, I only point out differences in my workflow, there are some programs that are very difficult with NVDA, like Sage Accounting for Windows, which JAWS handles much better.  Mostly because you need to do a lot of mousing, and you’re dealing with a lot of custom controls.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 15 February 2019 09:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

You will see this discussed in terms of the Golden Cursor add-on in messages by others.  I haven't used it. 

 

What you are demonstrating, by implication, is that NVDA isn't as good in some ways for highly technical and some employment uses.  But, it should be pointed out, that for the majority of users, NVDA will meet their needs as well.  I don't know if NVDA will develop these abilities in future. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:09 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hello Jean,

 

OK, those are precise movements, but you can’t physically move the mouse up down left or right a few pixels via the keyboard.  I’ve had to do this a few times.  JAWS has better mouse control from the keyboard.  For example, go into JAWS cursor and press Alt+Shift+up, down left or right, to move the mouse by a predefined number of pixels.

 

I’ve had to do this in custom software.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 February 2019 22:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

I haven't compared this to any extent and not for a long time.  It is my impression that JAWS is set by default, or can be set, to announce more graphics, at least in certain cases and that this may matter if you are trying to click on a clickable graphic.  But I'm not sure your distinction as to where things are on screen is correct. 

 

For example, in your example, you want to click on something on the left bottom of the screen.  There are screen review commands in NVDA to move you to the top line of the currewnt navigator object and to the bottom line of the navigator object.  There are commands to move you to the first character of the line you are on and the last character.  That is, the line you are on in the navigator object.

If I want to move to the bottom line, I would use shift 9 using the desktop layout.  If I want to move to the first character, I would then use shift 1. 

 

I can't be sure if this is the kind of thing you are describing you want NVDA to do, but it sounds as though that is part of it.  One thing NVDA doesn't have is a search the screen when in screen review feature.  This is an important feature that should be added. 

 

There are times you know a certain word or phrase is on a screen in a display with no cursor.  If you want to jump to it, you can't do so now.  If there were a find command, you could.

 

Gene

 

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Again, you misunderstand what I am saying.

If you need to click on something at the bottom left hand side of the
screen, it is easier to do this with the JAWS cursor, than any feature of
NVDA.  Window-Eyes had it best of all, because it had live mouse keys all
the time.

You can move by graphic, or by clip, for example.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not  think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true.  Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.














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Re: ITunes and NVDA

Brad Snyder
 

iTunes is confusing no matter what screen reader you are using.
I use iTunes on a Mac with VoiceOver, and it is just as big a mess there as on Windows with either NVDA or JAWS.
That’s just how it is.

- Brad -




On Feb 15, 2019, at 09:28, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

I tried using iTunes  with NVDA and I had trouble navigating it. I found it confusing.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 9:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ITunes and NVDA

I don't know what you mean by offers, but I do use itunes occasionally, though I really don't like it much, so it's generally reserved for those times I need to backup my iPhone, otherwise, I use amazon, spotify, serius xm, or my own version of an mp3 player I wrote depending on what I'm doing.  backing up the Iphone is about the only thing I use Itunes for these days, even though it insists on importing all my music, which irks me to no end, I just can't find the music I want to listen to when using Itunes, because it's interface has changed too much from when I used it on the mac, and had no issues with it.  I don't like the latest versions of Itunes for that reason, it's impossible to find anything.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, Ján Kulik wrote:

Hi all, does anyone use your iTunes on a computer with an NVDA reader?
NVDA just does not announce any offers after the ALTm slider or iTunes
version information. Unfortunately, I recently installed it.

Thank you for your answers.
Greetings from Slovakia









Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

 

Steve,

           I do not know of a shortcut to expand or collapse all conversations/threads.  The default in Outlook 2016 is to expand only a single conversation that has focus, and when you exit that conversation it automatically collapses again.  Or at least that's how it's working on my Outlook 2016 that's part of Office 2016 Pro Plus, and I know I haven't tweaked any default behaviors with regard to conversation handling.

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Re: ITunes and NVDA

molly the blind tech lover
 

I tried using iTunes with NVDA and I had trouble navigating it. I found it confusing.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 9:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ITunes and NVDA

I don't know what you mean by offers, but I do use itunes occasionally, though I really don't like it much, so it's generally reserved for those times I need to backup my iPhone, otherwise, I use amazon, spotify, serius xm, or my own version of an mp3 player I wrote depending on what I'm doing. backing up the Iphone is about the only thing I use Itunes for these days, even though it insists on importing all my music, which irks me to no end, I just can't find the music I want to listen to when using Itunes, because it's interface has changed too much from when I used it on the mac, and had no issues with it. I don't like the latest versions of Itunes for that reason, it's impossible to find anything.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, Ján Kulik wrote:

Hi all, does anyone use your iTunes on a computer with an NVDA reader?
NVDA just does not announce any offers after the ALTm slider or iTunes
version information. Unfortunately, I recently installed it.

Thank you for your answers.
Greetings from Slovakia


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Jean,

 

I couldn’t agree more, NVDA is absolutely fine for the majority, I only point out differences in my workflow, there are some programs that are very difficult with NVDA, like Sage Accounting for Windows, which JAWS handles much better.  Mostly because you need to do a lot of mousing, and you’re dealing with a lot of custom controls.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 15 February 2019 09:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

You will see this discussed in terms of the Golden Cursor add-on in messages by others.  I haven't used it. 

 

What you are demonstrating, by implication, is that NVDA isn't as good in some ways for highly technical and some employment uses.  But, it should be pointed out, that for the majority of users, NVDA will meet their needs as well.  I don't know if NVDA will develop these abilities in future. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:09 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hello Jean,

 

OK, those are precise movements, but you can’t physically move the mouse up down left or right a few pixels via the keyboard.  I’ve had to do this a few times.  JAWS has better mouse control from the keyboard.  For example, go into JAWS cursor and press Alt+Shift+up, down left or right, to move the mouse by a predefined number of pixels.

 

I’ve had to do this in custom software.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 February 2019 22:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

I haven't compared this to any extent and not for a long time.  It is my impression that JAWS is set by default, or can be set, to announce more graphics, at least in certain cases and that this may matter if you are trying to click on a clickable graphic.  But I'm not sure your distinction as to where things are on screen is correct. 

 

For example, in your example, you want to click on something on the left bottom of the screen.  There are screen review commands in NVDA to move you to the top line of the currewnt navigator object and to the bottom line of the navigator object.  There are commands to move you to the first character of the line you are on and the last character.  That is, the line you are on in the navigator object.

If I want to move to the bottom line, I would use shift 9 using the desktop layout.  If I want to move to the first character, I would then use shift 1. 

 

I can't be sure if this is the kind of thing you are describing you want NVDA to do, but it sounds as though that is part of it.  One thing NVDA doesn't have is a search the screen when in screen review feature.  This is an important feature that should be added. 

 

There are times you know a certain word or phrase is on a screen in a display with no cursor.  If you want to jump to it, you can't do so now.  If there were a find command, you could.

 

Gene

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Again, you misunderstand what I am saying.

If you need to click on something at the bottom left hand side of the
screen, it is easier to do this with the JAWS cursor, than any feature of
NVDA.  Window-Eyes had it best of all, because it had live mouse keys all
the time.

You can move by graphic, or by clip, for example.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not  think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true.  Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.














Re: Competition was Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Heh, you mention accessible web sites, and scrolling text and the like. I discovered way back in 1996, when I setup my web site for the first time, that folks aren't interested in plain text if there's a pretty scrolling banner nearby. I had some javascript on my site scrolling advertising offers, (yes, even in 1996, pay per click was a thing), but I took it down after trying to show the site to a library resulted in the librarian mentioning how cool the scrolling text was, and not even glancing at the rest of the site. That was my one and only experience with javascript on my own pages, I refuse to use it now, and have since that day. Call me what you like, but it's always been my opinion that the purpose of a web site is to convey information, and anything that gets in the way of conveying that information is useless.
NVDA can handle most things, but until we have a way for it to ignore scrolling banners, I fear our web browsing sessions are doomed to repeating text that has no bearing on the current page.


Re: Instances of redundancy

Felix G.
 

Hi,
I also use Espeak. I have never heard of Ivan or Ivan2 though. What are those?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 15. Feb. 2019 um 15:23 Uhr schrieb Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com>:


Felix, I don't have this problem, and I do a lot of console activity, as
well as chrome browsing. I do dislike the predictions on chrome, though
they can be helpful at times, but in the console, I have no echo issues at
all. Of course, I've turned off key echo, because it is broken, and I've
gotten used to not hearing my keystrokes, though I'd really like to have
that capability back in console windows, but it doesn't bother me much now
that I've gotten used to it.
Still, I'm not experiencing any du;oication of speech. What are you using
for your synthesizer, as it's possible that could impact what's happening.
I use espeak, and the ivan voice, ivan2 I think, and I run it at 99
percent, because 100 percent breaks up too much to be useful. Perhaps you
could try different synths and see if this behavior persists.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, Felix G. wrote:

Hi!
I am noticing that, when typing into the Youtube search field, for
every character I type, NVDA will repeat the name of the search field
followed by its current contents.
Also, in Chrome's address bar, when an automatic suggestion is
detected, that same auto suggestion is repeated every time I type an
additional character still matching the same suggestion.
Over time I find my concentration suffers when my audio input is
overloaded with all that stuttering. Is there a constellation of
settings which would minimize that kind of redundancy while still
keeping track of changes? I've experimented with the document and
browse mode settings but haven't come up with anything useful thus
far.
In addition, I am noticing that in colsole windows, the same text is
often spoken multiple times, even if both character and word echo are
turned off. It sounds a bit like this:
Peter, Paul and. Peter, Paul and Mary were sitting. Sitting in the.
Sitting in the kitchen.
As a programmer I need to be sure what my console is doing or not
doing. Is there a way to make this behave reliably in this most basic
of scenarios? I wouldn't be complaining if this were a complex gui,
but we're talking about simple text-mode console here.
All the best, looking forward to everyone's friendly advice,
Felix

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Re: ITunes and NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I don't know what you mean by offers, but I do use itunes occasionally, though I really don't like it much, so it's generally reserved for those times I need to backup my iPhone, otherwise, I use amazon, spotify, serius xm, or my own version of an mp3 player I wrote depending on what I'm doing. backing up the Iphone is about the only thing I use Itunes for these days, even though it insists on importing all my music, which irks me to no end, I just can't find the music I want to listen to when using Itunes, because it's interface has changed too much from when I used it on the mac, and had no issues with it. I don't like the latest versions of Itunes for that reason, it's impossible to find anything.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, Ján Kulik wrote:

Hi all, does anyone use your iTunes on a computer with an NVDA reader? NVDA
just does not announce any offers after the ALTm slider or iTunes version
information. Unfortunately, I recently installed it.
 
Thank you for your answers.
Greetings from Slovakia


Re: Instances of redundancy

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Felix, I don't have this problem, and I do a lot of console activity, as well as chrome browsing. I do dislike the predictions on chrome, though they can be helpful at times, but in the console, I have no echo issues at all. Of course, I've turned off key echo, because it is broken, and I've gotten used to not hearing my keystrokes, though I'd really like to have that capability back in console windows, but it doesn't bother me much now that I've gotten used to it.
Still, I'm not experiencing any du;oication of speech. What are you using for your synthesizer, as it's possible that could impact what's happening. I use espeak, and the ivan voice, ivan2 I think, and I run it at 99 percent, because 100 percent breaks up too much to be useful. Perhaps you could try different synths and see if this behavior persists.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, Felix G. wrote:

Hi!
I am noticing that, when typing into the Youtube search field, for
every character I type, NVDA will repeat the name of the search field
followed by its current contents.
Also, in Chrome's address bar, when an automatic suggestion is
detected, that same auto suggestion is repeated every time I type an
additional character still matching the same suggestion.
Over time I find my concentration suffers when my audio input is
overloaded with all that stuttering. Is there a constellation of
settings which would minimize that kind of redundancy while still
keeping track of changes? I've experimented with the document and
browse mode settings but haven't come up with anything useful thus
far.
In addition, I am noticing that in colsole windows, the same text is
often spoken multiple times, even if both character and word echo are
turned off. It sounds a bit like this:
Peter, Paul and. Peter, Paul and Mary were sitting. Sitting in the.
Sitting in the kitchen.
As a programmer I need to be sure what my console is doing or not
doing. Is there a way to make this behave reliably in this most basic
of scenarios? I wouldn't be complaining if this were a complex gui,
but we're talking about simple text-mode console here.
All the best, looking forward to everyone's friendly advice,
Felix

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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Thanks Jean.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 15 February 2019 09:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

You can use object navigation and set NVDA not to track the cursor. 

 

The disadvantage is that a lot of people don't know, and will never learn object navigation.  But if you know how to use it, you can do this reasonably quickly. 

 

Then, there is another way.  Turn object navigation tracking off.  Move to the item you want to monitor.  Then move the object navigator to your current position.  Since you don't have tracking on, you can move wherever else you want without disturbing the position of the object navigator. 

 

Gene

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:01 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi,

 

Exactly that.  You can’t, in flat review mode, unrestrict the crusor, it is tied to the active window.

 

So for a simple example, if you wanted to monitor a Dropbox upload while you were doing other things, I can put the JAWS cursor on the system tray icon and just read it with a couple of keystrokes.  With NVDA, I know of no way to do that if the area you want to monitor is outside the active or focused window.  Unless of course object nav does it, but I’m not sure I can quite do that.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 February 2019 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

A better verbal representation when you are doing what, using the JAWS cursor?  And what makes it better.  You can set the JAWS cursor to unrestricted, which shows you not just the program window but whatever else it can see on screen.  But it isn't clear to me what you are comparing in terms of what you see and how.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:28 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

This is nothing to do with what I am saying.

I am saying that JAWS gives a better verbal representation of the screen as
laid out visually.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

In my experience, NVDA is a lot better at using the mouse when the screen
reader is active.
With JAWS, the mouse can be trouble. According to some sighted people I've
asked for help, the mouse doesn't go where you want it to. At least, that's
the way it was about two years ago.






Re: Alexa skills blueprints. My thoughts.

 

I've been trying to track down peter's email or phone number. I know he's not directly with the Alexa development team, but he can pass off messages to them. I was hoping to create some skills, like blindness trivia, and publish them to the Alexa skill store, but creating a skill is so frustratingly inaccessible, that I want to give up trying. I've never checked, but is NV Access on Amazon Smile? If so, let me know!


Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

 

Here's what I use with NVDA or JAWS:
https://www.seslisozluk.net/en/
It's a multilingual dictionary and translation.
I use it for Turkish, English, Greek, and Spanish.
Nevzat

On 2/15/19, Robert Geoffroy <robert.geoffroy77@free.fr> wrote:
Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email
anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse:
Robert.geoffroy77@free.fr

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka
Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org
or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German
German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the
Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other
ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able
to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if
this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka












Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Robert Geoffroy
 

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@free.fr

Best regards,

Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka