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Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Tony Malykh
 

Not much point to argue with you, but:
1. Mike said 64-bit build is needed to work with 64-bit java. That's the only real argument. Performance may improve ever so slightly, or it might stay the same, or I've even seen cases when programs run slower in 64-bit mode due to higher memory consumption. In either case judging by my own experience it's not a big deal.
2.
> joseph wrote a version of nvda with SSE2,
Show me.
3. You're confused between multi-threading and multi-processing. If you want to do multi-processing - that would require some kind of communications between processes. And worst of all - I don't see why NVDA would need multiple processes and how it would benefit from it.
In any case, trying to convince people on the Internet is a really stupid idea, so I'll probably stop here.
--Tony

On 2/4/2019 2:43 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

I was not trying to spread panic.  Your asertions about 64 bit and SSE2 as well as multithreading are false. NVDA devs accknowledge that they do not know for  sure that switching to pure 64 bit won't improve performance, that is why they list it as a possible project that can be undertaken in google summer of code.Also, nvda does not use multithreading, in that all functions of nvda run in a single process, with the exception of the helper. Moreover, when joseph wrote a version of nvda with SSE2, people reported that it had a massive performance increase.

On 2/4/2019 10:09 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:

enes
You are one of those people who're trying to spread the panic, aren't you?
As for 64 bit, this is not the first time on this mailing list that you're complaining about. The truth is that there is no need to switch to 64-bit as it is not likely to increase performance or support of other software. So please stop using 64-bit support as the reason for imminent decline of NVDA. NVDA devs are not going to work on this just because you want it.
In another thread on this mailing list you also mentioned that NVDA should use SSE and multithreading. That's another ridiculous statement of yours. SSE is for floating point computations and therefore it's not applicable to NVDA. Multithreading is already being used in NVDA.
So, stop complaining. and stop spreading panic.

--Tony


On 2/4/2019 12:55 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

I will comment on this. While NVDA isn't dieing, development has certainly slowed down considerably since Jamy left the project. NVDA is falling behind jaws in adopting some newer introduced technologies, e.g, 64 bit, UIA support for office, which jaws has implemented completely for all office apps etc. Therefore the concern which was also expressed on the dev list is certainly understandable.

On 2/4/2019 8:52 PM, David Moore wrote:

This is just one issue showing that you cannot believe everything you hear.

Especially on computer groups and lists, there is a lot of fake roomers!

Fake news is getting very dangerous in every area of our lives!

We must research what we hear, and consider the source!

David Moore

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Thank You Joseph Lee, for Your answer.

 

I was also worried. There was also some alarmed message between people,

who speachs Czech and Slovak, but It was unnecessary alarm.

 

 

 

 


Re: win 10 safe mode

Ervin, Glenn
 

I’m in on this late, and I have not gone back to follow the thread, but I was of the understanding that audio is already available in safe mode in windows 10.

In windows 7, I have the registry patch enabled.

Glenn

 

 

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Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

enes sarıbaş
 

I was not trying to spread panic.  Your asertions about 64 bit and SSE2 as well as multithreading are false. NVDA devs accknowledge that they do not know for  sure that switching to pure 64 bit won't improve performance, that is why they list it as a possible project that can be undertaken in google summer of code.Also, nvda does not use multithreading, in that all functions of nvda run in a single process, with the exception of the helper. Moreover, when joseph wrote a version of nvda with SSE2, people reported that it had a massive performance increase.

On 2/4/2019 10:09 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:

enes
You are one of those people who're trying to spread the panic, aren't you?
As for 64 bit, this is not the first time on this mailing list that you're complaining about. The truth is that there is no need to switch to 64-bit as it is not likely to increase performance or support of other software. So please stop using 64-bit support as the reason for imminent decline of NVDA. NVDA devs are not going to work on this just because you want it.
In another thread on this mailing list you also mentioned that NVDA should use SSE and multithreading. That's another ridiculous statement of yours. SSE is for floating point computations and therefore it's not applicable to NVDA. Multithreading is already being used in NVDA.
So, stop complaining. and stop spreading panic.

--Tony


On 2/4/2019 12:55 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

I will comment on this. While NVDA isn't dieing, development has certainly slowed down considerably since Jamy left the project. NVDA is falling behind jaws in adopting some newer introduced technologies, e.g, 64 bit, UIA support for office, which jaws has implemented completely for all office apps etc. Therefore the concern which was also expressed on the dev list is certainly understandable.

On 2/4/2019 8:52 PM, David Moore wrote:

This is just one issue showing that you cannot believe everything you hear.

Especially on computer groups and lists, there is a lot of fake roomers!

Fake news is getting very dangerous in every area of our lives!

We must research what we hear, and consider the source!

David Moore

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Thank You Joseph Lee, for Your answer.

 

I was also worried. There was also some alarmed message between people,

who speachs Czech and Slovak, but It was unnecessary alarm.

 

 

 

 


Re: trouble closing NVDA

Tony Malykh
 

As a workaround, you can kill NVDA by typing this command:

taskkill /f /im NVDA.exe

In Administrator command prompt.

On 2/4/2019 11:23 AM, Lou Kolb wrote:
I'm using NVDA on 2 computers, a Windows 10 laptop at home and a
Windows 10 desktop at work. At home, I have no problems. At work,
however, NVDA will not close properly. I hit insert+q and I get the
Windows error sound and then the startup sound for NVDA and it
continues to run. The only way I've found to close it is to restart
the computer. It's a shared machine, so I don't have NVDA set to start
on boot-up. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there any known fix
for it? Thanks. Lou


Re: trouble closing NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Lou,

I haven't seen this, but I would be interested to see a copy of your NVDA log if you could send it to me please.

One thing to check is are you running any add-ons, and if so, are they up to date?  If you update any add-ons, and / or restart NVDA with add-ons disabled, it would be interested to see if it still happens.

Since the exit screen isn't working, you can restart NVDA without add-ons by pressing WINDOWS+R to open the run dialog, then copy or type the following in to it and press ENTER:

nvda -rm --disable-addons 

Kind regards

Quentin. 


On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 8:45 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...> wrote:
I'm using NVDA on 2 computers, a Windows 10 laptop at home and a
Windows 10 desktop at work. At home, I have no problems. At work,
however, NVDA will not close properly. I hit insert+q and I get the
Windows error sound and then the startup sound for NVDA and it
continues to run. The only way I've found to close it is to restart
the computer. It's a shared machine, so I don't have NVDA set to start
on boot-up. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there any known fix
for it? Thanks. Lou





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Re: trouble closing NVDA

Gene
 

Are you using any add-ons?  Also, you don't have to shut down the computer to unload NVDA.  I don't use Windows 10 so someone else can tell you how to use the task manager to stop the program.  Using the task manager is something you should know regardless of whether you have this problem.  it is necessary, at times, to use it to shut down programs that have frozen or can't be shut down properly for some reason.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Lou Kolb
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 1:23 PM
Subject: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

I'm using NVDA on 2 computers, a Windows 10 laptop at home and a
Windows 10 desktop at work. At home, I have no problems. At work,
however, NVDA will not close properly. I hit insert+q and I get the
Windows error sound and then the startup sound for NVDA and it
continues to run. The only way I've found to close it is to restart
the computer. It's a shared machine, so I don't have NVDA set to start
on boot-up. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there any known fix
for it? Thanks. Lou



Re: Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

Quentin Christensen
 

It does indeed sound as Brian describes, when running on battery, the computer is being throttled to conserve power.  I know this was a big issue in the early days of Windows 10 - I don't know whether it's got better, or whether it's just that all the people in the group it affected worked around it?  In any case, the workaround was to go into your power settings and set it for high performance rather than balanced on any of the conservative settings.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 8:27 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Sounds to me like the processor or some part of the system is slow on
batteries. I have noticed that they do tend to throttle  processors to
conserve battery  life. If you recall even Apple did this on their hardware,
but did not tell anyone.
 How old is the laptop and what sort of spec?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 3:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?


> Hello especially to NVDA developers
>
>
>
>
> I have encountered the very strange behaviour I will describe below and
> wonder if there is an explanation or fix for it. This is what happens:
>
>
>
>
> I have noticed this only in Edge. When my laptop runs on its battery and I
> do a read to end in Edge, NVDA will read for a few minutes, maybe two or
> three minutes, then stops reading. When I move my arrow keys, I notice
> that the cursor position is far behind the point where NVDA stopped
> reading. When my laptop runs off the mains, this does not happen at all.
> NVDA reads continuously for however long I want it to read and the cursor
> keeps up with the reading position. I hope this makes sense, because it is
> quite bizarre to me.
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Christo
>
>
>
>







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Re: python

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


A few people on the list gave books etc you can learn from. Some are free and some are paid.


I put them into a doc file just in case people wanted it.


They are below if i come across others I will add to the list.




Learning Python books and courses

 

 

 

 

 

Learn python the hard way https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/

 

A python hands on tutorial http://anh.cs.luc.edu/python/hands-on/3.1/handsonHtml/index.html

 

Python for Everybody: Exploring Data Using Python 3 https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/textbooks/336

 

 

And some online courses,

 

These are free, but if you want a certificate of completion, you can pay for it if you pass the course.

 

 

Introduction to Python for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-for-data-science

 

Python for data science https://www.edx.org/course/python-for-data-science-1

 

Introduction to Python: Absolute Beginner https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-absolute-beginner-2

 

Introduction to Python: Fundamentals https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-fundamentals-2

 

Principles of Machine Learning: Python Edition https://www.edx.org/course/principles-of-machine-learning-python-edition

 

Computing in Python I: Fundamentals and Procedural Programming https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-i-fundamentals-and-procedural-programming-2

 

Computing in Python II: Control Structures https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-ii-control-structures-2

 

Computing in Python III: Data Structures https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-iii-data-structures-2

 

Computing in Python IV: Objects & Algorithms https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-iv-objects-algorithms-2

 

Visualizing Data with Python https://www.edx.org/course/data-visualization-with-python

 

Advanced Algorithmics and Graph Theory with Python https://www.edx.org/course/advanced-algorithmics-and-graph-theory-with-python

 

Analyzing Data with Python https://www.edx.org/course/data-analysis-with-python

 

Deep Learning with Python and PyTorch https://www.edx.org/course/deep-learning-with-python-and-pytorch

 

Python Basics for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/python-basics-for-data-science

 

Machine Learning with Python: A Practical Introduction https://www.edx.org/course/machine-learning-with-python-for-edx

 

Using Python for Research https://www.edx.org/course/using-python-for-research

 

Introduction to Python: Creating Scalable, Robust, Interactive Code https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-creating-scalable-robust-interactive-code

 

Programming with Python for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/programming-with-python-for-data-science

 

Introduction to Programming Using Python https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-programming-using-python

 

CS For All: Introduction to Computer Science and Python Programming https://www.edx.org/course/cs-all-introduction-computer-science-harveymuddx-cs005x-0

 

 

These are all pay courses, but if you are careful, you can buy bundles that have multiple courses in them.

 

 

Stone river elearning has 32 python courses at: https://stoneriverelearning.com/courses/category/Python

 

 

skillwise has several python courses, some of which are listed below.

 

Python Programming Bootcamp 2.0 https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-programming-bootcamp-2-2

 

Python 3 Bootcamp Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-bootcamp-2017-python-3

 

Machine Learning with Python Course and E-Book Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/the-python-machine-learning-online-course-and-book-bundle

 

Deep Learning: Convolutional Neural Networks in Python https://www.skillwise.com/sales/deep-learning-convolutional-neural-networks-in-python

 

The Python Power Coder BONUS Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/the-python-power-coder-bonus-bundle

 

Become a Professional Python Programmer https://www.skillwise.com/sales/become-a-professional-python-programmer

 

Python Tutorial: Python 100% Hands-On - Learn by Coding https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-tutorial-python-100-hands-on-learn-by-coding

 

Pay What You Want: The Python Master Class Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/pwyw-the-python-master-class-bundle

 

 

And, finally, educba.com also has python courses such as:

 

Become a Python Developer

 

Artificial Intelligence with python

python 3.5 Training

The Ultimate python Programming - Novice to Ninja

Practical Projects of python Programming

python:01 - python Fundamentals

Data Science with python

python for Beginners

Machine Learning using python

 

Now, I know the educba classes are expensive if bought separately, but if you hang out on stacksocial.com or even skillwise.com ( at times) you can purchase whole groups of training all at once.  I got a deal for all of stone river Elearning for $59, then for $99 I got the whole collection of educba classes.  (the next day, I saw it for $49) *grumble*), so if you're patient, and if you really want to learn, there's no reason why you can't learn anything you like.  This is just talking about python classes and books, but this works for just about any topic.

 

stackskills.com also has several python courses, and I got access to 1100 plus courses (all it/technology related for $19 again, from stacksocial.com

 

 

 

https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/

 

 

Here's A Byte of Python.

 

 

https://python.swaroopch.com/

 

 

Here's Think Python.

 

 

http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html

 

 

Here's one on programming games.

 

 

http://inventwithpython.com/

 

 

Finally, here's a link somebody posted a while back to stuff Joseph

wrote up.

 

 

 

On 5/02/2019 9:31 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:
hi group
do you have any tutorial or book on absolute basic course on python for beginners?
thanks



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Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Kevin Cussick
 

How ever, is there any plans to replace Jamey?

On 04/02/2019 21:37, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Regarding development slowing down: perhaps because of number of commits. However, when we look at today’s master commits, we’re seeing increase in activity from third-party developers. The most promising example is basic support for Microsoft Management Console (MMC)/Disk Management/graphical view, which was not written by NV Access, but by a college student.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?
hi,
I will comment on this. While NVDA isn't dieing, development has certainly slowed down considerably since Jamy left the project. NVDA is falling behind jaws in adopting some newer introduced technologies, e.g, 64 bit, UIA support for office, which jaws has implemented completely for all office apps etc. Therefore the concern which was also expressed on the dev list is certainly understandable.
On 2/4/2019 8:52 PM, David Moore wrote:
This is just one issue showing that you cannot believe everything you hear.
Especially on computer groups and lists, there is a lot of fake roomers!
Fake news is getting very dangerous in every area of our lives!
We must research what we hear, and consider the source!
David Moore
David Moore
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From: Marco Oros <mailto:marco.oros93@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?
Thank You Joseph Lee, for Your answer.
I was also worried. There was also some alarmed message between people,
who speachs Czech and Slovak, but It was unnecessary alarm.


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Tony Malykh
 

enes
You are one of those people who're trying to spread the panic, aren't you?
As for 64 bit, this is not the first time on this mailing list that you're complaining about. The truth is that there is no need to switch to 64-bit as it is not likely to increase performance or support of other software. So please stop using 64-bit support as the reason for imminent decline of NVDA. NVDA devs are not going to work on this just because you want it.
In another thread on this mailing list you also mentioned that NVDA should use SSE and multithreading. That's another ridiculous statement of yours. SSE is for floating point computations and therefore it's not applicable to NVDA. Multithreading is already being used in NVDA.
So, stop complaining. and stop spreading panic.

--Tony


On 2/4/2019 12:55 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

I will comment on this. While NVDA isn't dieing, development has certainly slowed down considerably since Jamy left the project. NVDA is falling behind jaws in adopting some newer introduced technologies, e.g, 64 bit, UIA support for office, which jaws has implemented completely for all office apps etc. Therefore the concern which was also expressed on the dev list is certainly understandable.

On 2/4/2019 8:52 PM, David Moore wrote:

This is just one issue showing that you cannot believe everything you hear.

Especially on computer groups and lists, there is a lot of fake roomers!

Fake news is getting very dangerous in every area of our lives!

We must research what we hear, and consider the source!

David Moore

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Thank You Joseph Lee, for Your answer.

 

I was also worried. There was also some alarmed message between people,

who speachs Czech and Slovak, but It was unnecessary alarm.

 

 

 

 


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Amen, David. I'm so tired of fake news.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

This is just one issue showing that you cannot believe everything you hear.

Especially on computer groups and lists, there is a lot of fake roomers!

Fake news is getting very dangerous in every area of our lives!

We must research what we hear, and consider the source!

David Moore

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Thank You Joseph Lee, for Your answer.

 

I was also worried. There was also some alarmed message between people,

who speachs Czech and Slovak, but It was unnecessary alarm.

 

 

 

 


Re: Donating was Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, agreed, this is what I have done now for some years.

On 04/02/2019 14:16, erik burggraaf wrote:
It's up to each person how and what they donate, but here is what really helped me.
I set things up so that a very small amount comes out every month and goes to envy access.  It's an amount that I don't miss.  in fact, I would have to go over my financial records to actually determine how much I've donated to nvda over the years.  Whatever the amount is, I'm sure nvda is worth far more to me than what I have actually paid.  it also seems to me that the amount would be far more than I could contribute in one two or even three lump sums.  If you set it up for a dollar a week, or a few dollars a month, the cumulative effect over time is amazing.  If hundreds or thousands or even tens of thousands of people set up these small amounts, just think of the possibilities.
another thing to consider is sustainability. When applying for certain grants, and declaring Financial, some organizations are checking to see how viable you have been overtime.  NV access probably gets lots of donations, but it would be difficult for a funding provider to determine the likelihood of future donations.  By tracking these subscription donations, a funding provider can get an idea of what might be donated in the future. Many grants and funding providers feel better about giving to a sustainable project.  Thus, setting up a small subscription amount has other benefits outside of the income generated for envy access.
Best,
Eeik
On February 3, 2019 2:02:23 AM "tapper via Groups.Io" <j.lancett=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:
NVDA is not going anywhere! If you care so much about it, If you are
able you should donate. Even if it's just $10 Projects don't come for
free. I am not having a dig at any one I have bin running NVDA for about
4 years now and only donated twice, but I do it when I can. In fact I am
going to do it rite now. NVDA $20 comming your way!
Thanks Tapper


trouble closing NVDA

Lou Kolb <loukolb@...>
 

I'm using NVDA on 2 computers, a Windows 10 laptop at home and a
Windows 10 desktop at work. At home, I have no problems. At work,
however, NVDA will not close properly. I hit insert+q and I get the
Windows error sound and then the startup sound for NVDA and it
continues to run. The only way I've found to close it is to restart
the computer. It's a shared machine, so I don't have NVDA set to start
on boot-up. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there any known fix
for it? Thanks. Lou


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

 

Hi,

Regarding development slowing down: perhaps because of number of commits. However, when we look at today’s master commits, we’re seeing increase in activity from third-party developers. The most promising example is basic support for Microsoft Management Console (MMC)/Disk Management/graphical view, which was not written by NV Access, but by a college student.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

hi,

I will comment on this. While NVDA isn't dieing, development has certainly slowed down considerably since Jamy left the project. NVDA is falling behind jaws in adopting some newer introduced technologies, e.g, 64 bit, UIA support for office, which jaws has implemented completely for all office apps etc. Therefore the concern which was also expressed on the dev list is certainly understandable.

On 2/4/2019 8:52 PM, David Moore wrote:

This is just one issue showing that you cannot believe everything you hear.

Especially on computer groups and lists, there is a lot of fake roomers!

Fake news is getting very dangerous in every area of our lives!

We must research what we hear, and consider the source!

David Moore

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Thank You Joseph Lee, for Your answer.

 

I was also worried. There was also some alarmed message between people,

who speachs Czech and Slovak, but It was unnecessary alarm.

 

 

 

 


Re: Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Sounds to me like the processor or some part of the system is slow on batteries. I have noticed that they do tend to throttle processors to conserve battery life. If you recall even Apple did this on their hardware, but did not tell anyone.
How old is the laptop and what sort of spec?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 3:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?


Hello especially to NVDA developers




I have encountered the very strange behaviour I will describe below and wonder if there is an explanation or fix for it. This is what happens:




I have noticed this only in Edge. When my laptop runs on its battery and I do a read to end in Edge, NVDA will read for a few minutes, maybe two or three minutes, then stops reading. When I move my arrow keys, I notice that the cursor position is far behind the point where NVDA stopped reading. When my laptop runs off the mains, this does not happen at all. NVDA reads continuously for however long I want it to read and the cursor keeps up with the reading position. I hope this makes sense, because it is quite bizarre to me.




Kind regards

Christo





Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Adriani Botez
 

I know many people using jaws 2018 because 2019 is not as stable in certain situations.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 04.02.2019 um 21:55 schrieb enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...>:

hi,

I will comment on this. While NVDA isn't dieing, development has certainly slowed down considerably since Jamy left the project. NVDA is falling behind jaws in adopting some newer introduced technologies, e.g, 64 bit, UIA support for office, which jaws has implemented completely for all office apps etc. Therefore the concern which was also expressed on the dev list is certainly understandable.

On 2/4/2019 8:52 PM, David Moore wrote:

This is just one issue showing that you cannot believe everything you hear.

Especially on computer groups and lists, there is a lot of fake roomers!

Fake news is getting very dangerous in every area of our lives!

We must research what we hear, and consider the source!

David Moore

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Thank You Joseph Lee, for Your answer.

 

I was also worried. There was also some alarmed message between people,

who speachs Czech and Slovak, but It was unnecessary alarm.

 

 

 

 


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Adriani Botez
 

Implenenting uia for all office products is far from optimal. Uia is not completely developed yet for all office products. It is too early to completely switch to uia for everything. We need more tests and more expertise to be sure everything works smoothly.
Note that jaws has implemented uia just for certain functions. And that is for a good reason.

Apart from that, nvda will be able to use uia in ms word in 2019.1

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 04.02.2019 um 21:55 schrieb enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...>:

hi,

I will comment on this. While NVDA isn't dieing, development has certainly slowed down considerably since Jamy left the project. NVDA is falling behind jaws in adopting some newer introduced technologies, e.g, 64 bit, UIA support for office, which jaws has implemented completely for all office apps etc. Therefore the concern which was also expressed on the dev list is certainly understandable.

On 2/4/2019 8:52 PM, David Moore wrote:

This is just one issue showing that you cannot believe everything you hear.

Especially on computer groups and lists, there is a lot of fake roomers!

Fake news is getting very dangerous in every area of our lives!

We must research what we hear, and consider the source!

David Moore

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Thank You Joseph Lee, for Your answer.

 

I was also worried. There was also some alarmed message between people,

who speachs Czech and Slovak, but It was unnecessary alarm.

 

 

 

 


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

I will comment on this. While NVDA isn't dieing, development has certainly slowed down considerably since Jamy left the project. NVDA is falling behind jaws in adopting some newer introduced technologies, e.g, 64 bit, UIA support for office, which jaws has implemented completely for all office apps etc. Therefore the concern which was also expressed on the dev list is certainly understandable.

On 2/4/2019 8:52 PM, David Moore wrote:

This is just one issue showing that you cannot believe everything you hear.

Especially on computer groups and lists, there is a lot of fake roomers!

Fake news is getting very dangerous in every area of our lives!

We must research what we hear, and consider the source!

David Moore

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Thank You Joseph Lee, for Your answer.

 

I was also worried. There was also some alarmed message between people,

who speachs Czech and Slovak, but It was unnecessary alarm.

 

 

 

 


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

David Moore
 

This is just one issue showing that you cannot believe everything you hear.

Especially on computer groups and lists, there is a lot of fake roomers!

Fake news is getting very dangerous in every area of our lives!

We must research what we hear, and consider the source!

David Moore

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Thank You Joseph Lee, for Your answer.

 

I was also worried. There was also some alarmed message between people,

who speachs Czech and Slovak, but It was unnecessary alarm.

 

 

 

 


python

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

hi group
do you have any tutorial or book on absolute basic course on python for beginners?
thanks