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Re: For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


the latest version of nvda for XP is 2017.3.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

No, at first I thought that Brian was doing that but he didn't.  He put a portable version of the last test version, I don't recall the exact term for a product that isn't a beta but that isn't bleeding edge code either  in his Dropbox account for the list if they want it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

hi gene. thanks so much as always for your comments and helps.
is it possible to use newer versions of nvda (portable versions) on xp?
i wish to test new espeak for reading farsi documents to see which
versions of espeak support farsi better?
is it possible that for example: someone put nvda 2018.4 portable for
me on dropbox to test on xp?
thanks again for your help, God bless you!

On 1/16/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I misunderstood your message.  I thought you said that you can run a current
> portable version of NVDA with XP.  You were saying that you are sending the
> last version of NVDA that supports XP.  So my statements were wrong about
> not being able to run the installer to install it.
>
> However, from a little playing around I did, you said this is a development
> version, not the last production but the last development version, if others
> get results like mine, it would be a good idea to try running the last
> production version or earlier ones if the last production version has these
> drawbacks.
>
> First, I'm running the version you sent on a slow XP machine, much slower
> than people will generally be using.  Its fine for what I use it for and I
> use my fast Windows 7 machine where this one is too slow.  But on this
> machine, using Via Voice, it is very unresponsive while typing.  Earlier
> versions are much more responsive.  I'm not sure what else you might find as
> you try it but you may well get a considerably more responsive version by
> using the last production version or even earlier, if necessary.
>
> I haven't tested with other voices but I suspect this is a general problem.
> Via Voice should be very responsive.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gene
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:41 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda
>
>
> I see.  I read your message but I didn't see the link or I thought it was
> something else, maybe a footer.  Sorry for the unnecessary request.
>
> My clarification may have some value in case some people think they can run
> the actual installer and get current versions that way if they are running
> XP.  This version has already been created but you can't create your own.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:12 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda
>
>
> But that is exactly what is in the zip file a zipped up portable version.
>
>
> I know that it might  annoy some doing it this way, but I see a question
> about it every week nearly and thought as I have it, I might as well share
> it.
>  You can always strip out all add-ons etc, if you like.
>  The folder it creates is a stand alone portable version though not sure if
>
> some synths might have been removed, so be careful but espeak is selected.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda
>
>
> To clarify:
> Evidently, you are saying that if you have already created a portable
> version, you can run it on XP as a portable version.  But that isn't saying
>
> that you can use the installer on an XP machine to create a portable
> version.  You can't.
>
> Also, Would you mind putting the portable version in Dropbox or however you
>
> want to share it?  I can't run the installer here but I'd like to play with
>
> the portable version.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:46 AM
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda
>
>
> I was testing a network link between my  windows 7 and the xp machines
> upstairs so zipped up my portable install of nvda that ran on the XP
> machine, complete with add ons and  tweaked symbols etc.
>  Now its offered with no warranty of any kind and it is a development
> snapshot after the final release, so may well have the error sound.
>  If you want to play however.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/30xp74rs7ttnz5w/nvdaxp%20last%20version.zip?dl=1
>
> Just unzip it to a folder, it should create its own off of wherever you
> extract it from. Run the exe, or if you are really lazy, the nvda.bat file.
>  You can then play with it and also install it if you so wish, but although
> its clear of nasty  viruses or whatever, remember its not supported by
> nvaccess. Its old and only around because some of us still keep xp machines
> running.
>  Note toolbar explorer is in it as aware many other older add ons.
>  Brian
>
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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BARD Express

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

has there been any consideration to fix NVDA to read the entire annotation when searching for books in BARD express? Currantly it only reads the title, author and a fraction of the annotation then jumps to the narrator.
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Re: Speech exception dictionary question

Gene
 

I haven't heard of one but perhaps someone else knows a way.  I doubt it, however.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Samco
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 12:50 AM
Subject: [nvda] Speech exception dictionary question

I'm just now switching from Window-Eyes to NVDA and liking it pretty
well thus far. I have hundreds of pronunciation exceptions in the WE
exception dictionary file. Is there a way of transferring that
information into NVDA?

Thanks,
Jeff




Re: Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


out of curiosity are you using control and capslock?
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----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Hi,

Hmmm, I see. Does restarting with add-ons disabled help?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

I'm using the desktop layout.
Also, when I turn on the help to see what a certain command should do and press the command in question, NVDA just keeps silent, nothing happens at all.


Cheers,
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Em 17/01/2019 04:13, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Okay, when you open keyboard settings (Control+NVDA+K), what is the keyboard layout set to? Control+NVDA+right arrow will switch to the next synth settings ring if desktop layout is in use, otherwise it’ll move the review cursor to the next word (laptop layout).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hi Joseph,
You mentioned that CONTROL+NVDA+right arrow would be a possibility as well as using the left arrow.
What happens here, however, is that when I press the first command, I don't get anything from it.
So you know what could be going on my side?


Cheers,
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Em 17/01/2019 03:58, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Jackie is right, but I had another reason to ask Janet as to where she got that info: sources matter, too. If Janet searched for commands in Google, surely the first result would have been the NVDA user guide for the latest release, unless she found an answer from a specific source that claimed Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys are used to change rate on the fly.
For sake of completeness, here's what Control+NVDA+arro keys will do (if using laptop layout, add a Shift key to this mix):
Imagine you have a collection of circular panels with switches around the outer perimeter. You can turn each panel around, as well as move the switches up and down.
Each panel represents a speech synthesizer, and each switch represents a voice characteristic. After choosing a panel, you can turn the panel around until a specific voice characteristic you wish to change is in front of you. Then you would use the switches to change the chosen characteristic. This is called "synthesizer settings ring", better known as "synth settings ring".
By default, when NVDA starts, the "rate" switch will be active. You can use Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys to move to different "switches" (voice characteristics) such as voice, variant, rate, pitch, volume and so on (different synthesizers expose different settings). Then you would press Control+NVDA+up/down arrow keys to "change the switches" - configure the chosen characteristic to your liking.
While we're at it, one advice to would-be experts (or for those teaching NVDA to others): as much as you can recall NVDA commands while sleeping, it is equally important to recall, apply, and explain concepts, too. In case you're dealing with NVDA code (including add-ons), you should be prepared to not only write interesting code, but willing to explain what your code does (trust me: writing code can be done easily, but explaining your own code require more brainpower and creativity).
Cheers,
Joseph
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Janet, this is just a suggestion, but I'm wondering if it might not be more helpful--& more accurate--to simply access the NVDA menu, go to help, then go to the "command quick reference guide". There, you can find the keys, both for desktops & laptops, that will perform any command NVDA has. This should contain the most up-to-date & accurate information.
 
I think what Joseph is trying to tell you here is that the command you tried to use is inaccurate--for the desktop, it's NVDA+ctrl+up or down, w/the laptop you add the shift key.
 
HTH.
 
On 1/16/19, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Wow, thanks for getting back to me so fast! Actually, I just googled it.
Jan
 
 
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Hi,
 
Huh? Where did you see that Control+NVDA+left and right arrow keys are 
used to change rate on the fly?
 
To others: there is a specific reason why I’m doing it like this (will 
explain soon).
 
Cheers,
 
Joseph
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet 
Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
 
 
Hello all,
 
I am using Windows 10 with the latest NVDA. When I try to change 
speech rate on the fly using the NVDA control and either the left or 
right arrow keys the rate does not change and NVDA says nothing. Has 
this command changed? If so, what is it now?
 
Thanks,
 
Jan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

control + NVDA left and right arrows takes you to various options you can change. when you get to the one you wish to change keep the ctrl+NVDA and up or down arrow to increase or decrease.
***
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
****

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Hi,

Huh? Where did you see that Control+NVDA+left and right arrow keys are used to change rate on the fly?

To others: there is a specific reason why I’m doing it like this (will explain soon).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hello all,

I am using Windows 10 with the latest NVDA. When I try to change speech rate on the fly using the NVDA control and either the left or right arrow keys the rate does not change and NVDA says nothing. Has this command changed? If so, what is it now?

Thanks,

Jan


Re: For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

 

i downloaded and it works for me perfectly.
where can i download its installer file too?
thanks again for the link, God bless you!

On 1/17/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
No, at first I thought that Brian was doing that but he didn't. He put a
portable version of the last test version, I don't recall the exact term for
a product that isn't a beta but that isn't bleeding edge code either in his
Dropbox account for the list if they want it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


hi gene. thanks so much as always for your comments and helps.
is it possible to use newer versions of nvda (portable versions) on xp?
i wish to test new espeak for reading farsi documents to see which
versions of espeak support farsi better?
is it possible that for example: someone put nvda 2018.4 portable for
me on dropbox to test on xp?
thanks again for your help, God bless you!

On 1/16/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I misunderstood your message. I thought you said that you can run a
current
portable version of NVDA with XP. You were saying that you are sending
the
last version of NVDA that supports XP. So my statements were wrong about
not being able to run the installer to install it.

However, from a little playing around I did, you said this is a
development
version, not the last production but the last development version, if
others
get results like mine, it would be a good idea to try running the last
production version or earlier ones if the last production version has
these
drawbacks.

First, I'm running the version you sent on a slow XP machine, much slower
than people will generally be using. Its fine for what I use it for and
I
use my fast Windows 7 machine where this one is too slow. But on this
machine, using Via Voice, it is very unresponsive while typing. Earlier
versions are much more responsive. I'm not sure what else you might find
as
you try it but you may well get a considerably more responsive version by
using the last production version or even earlier, if necessary.

I haven't tested with other voices but I suspect this is a general
problem.
Via Voice should be very responsive.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


I see. I read your message but I didn't see the link or I thought it was
something else, maybe a footer. Sorry for the unnecessary request.

My clarification may have some value in case some people think they can
run
the actual installer and get current versions that way if they are
running
XP. This version has already been created but you can't create your own.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


But that is exactly what is in the zip file a zipped up portable version.


I know that it might annoy some doing it this way, but I see a question
about it every week nearly and thought as I have it, I might as well
share
it.
You can always strip out all add-ons etc, if you like.
The folder it creates is a stand alone portable version though not sure
if

some synths might have been removed, so be careful but espeak is
selected.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


To clarify:
Evidently, you are saying that if you have already created a portable
version, you can run it on XP as a portable version. But that isn't
saying

that you can use the installer on an XP machine to create a portable
version. You can't.

Also, Would you mind putting the portable version in Dropbox or however
you

want to share it? I can't run the installer here but I'd like to play
with

the portable version.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:46 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


I was testing a network link between my windows 7 and the xp machines
upstairs so zipped up my portable install of nvda that ran on the XP
machine, complete with add ons and tweaked symbols etc.
Now its offered with no warranty of any kind and it is a development
snapshot after the final release, so may well have the error sound.
If you want to play however.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/30xp74rs7ttnz5w/nvdaxp%20last%20version.zip?dl=1

Just unzip it to a folder, it should create its own off of wherever you
extract it from. Run the exe, or if you are really lazy, the nvda.bat
file.
You can then play with it and also install it if you so wish, but
although
its clear of nasty viruses or whatever, remember its not supported by
nvaccess. Its old and only around because some of us still keep xp
machines
running.
Note toolbar explorer is in it as aware many other older add ons.
Brian


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Sent via blueyonder.
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Speech exception dictionary question

Jeff Samco
 

I'm just now switching from Window-Eyes to NVDA and liking it pretty well thus far. I have hundreds of pronunciation exceptions in the WE exception dictionary file. Is there a way of transferring that information into NVDA?

Thanks,
Jeff


Re: For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

Gene
 

No, at first I thought that Brian was doing that but he didn't.  He put a portable version of the last test version, I don't recall the exact term for a product that isn't a beta but that isn't bleeding edge code either  in his Dropbox account for the list if they want it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

hi gene. thanks so much as always for your comments and helps.
is it possible to use newer versions of nvda (portable versions) on xp?
i wish to test new espeak for reading farsi documents to see which
versions of espeak support farsi better?
is it possible that for example: someone put nvda 2018.4 portable for
me on dropbox to test on xp?
thanks again for your help, God bless you!

On 1/16/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I misunderstood your message.  I thought you said that you can run a current
> portable version of NVDA with XP.  You were saying that you are sending the
> last version of NVDA that supports XP.  So my statements were wrong about
> not being able to run the installer to install it.
>
> However, from a little playing around I did, you said this is a development
> version, not the last production but the last development version, if others
> get results like mine, it would be a good idea to try running the last
> production version or earlier ones if the last production version has these
> drawbacks.
>
> First, I'm running the version you sent on a slow XP machine, much slower
> than people will generally be using.  Its fine for what I use it for and I
> use my fast Windows 7 machine where this one is too slow.  But on this
> machine, using Via Voice, it is very unresponsive while typing.  Earlier
> versions are much more responsive.  I'm not sure what else you might find as
> you try it but you may well get a considerably more responsive version by
> using the last production version or even earlier, if necessary.
>
> I haven't tested with other voices but I suspect this is a general problem.
> Via Voice should be very responsive.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gene
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:41 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda
>
>
> I see.  I read your message but I didn't see the link or I thought it was
> something else, maybe a footer.  Sorry for the unnecessary request.
>
> My clarification may have some value in case some people think they can run
> the actual installer and get current versions that way if they are running
> XP.  This version has already been created but you can't create your own.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:12 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda
>
>
> But that is exactly what is in the zip file a zipped up portable version.
>
>
> I know that it might  annoy some doing it this way, but I see a question
> about it every week nearly and thought as I have it, I might as well share
> it.
>  You can always strip out all add-ons etc, if you like.
>  The folder it creates is a stand alone portable version though not sure if
>
> some synths might have been removed, so be careful but espeak is selected.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda
>
>
> To clarify:
> Evidently, you are saying that if you have already created a portable
> version, you can run it on XP as a portable version.  But that isn't saying
>
> that you can use the installer on an XP machine to create a portable
> version.  You can't.
>
> Also, Would you mind putting the portable version in Dropbox or however you
>
> want to share it?  I can't run the installer here but I'd like to play with
>
> the portable version.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:46 AM
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda
>
>
> I was testing a network link between my  windows 7 and the xp machines
> upstairs so zipped up my portable install of nvda that ran on the XP
> machine, complete with add ons and  tweaked symbols etc.
>  Now its offered with no warranty of any kind and it is a development
> snapshot after the final release, so may well have the error sound.
>  If you want to play however.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/30xp74rs7ttnz5w/nvdaxp%20last%20version.zip?dl=1
>
> Just unzip it to a folder, it should create its own off of wherever you
> extract it from. Run the exe, or if you are really lazy, the nvda.bat file.
>  You can then play with it and also install it if you so wish, but although
> its clear of nasty  viruses or whatever, remember its not supported by
> nvaccess. Its old and only around because some of us still keep xp machines
> running.
>  Note toolbar explorer is in it as aware many other older add ons.
>  Brian
>
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

MohammadAfzal
 

Hi,

If you select laptop mode in NVDA then Press NVDA+ctrl+up and down arrow/ left and right arrow.

and if you select Desktop mode then NVDA+ctrl+ up and down arrow / left and right arrow will be work.

Cheers.

On 17/01/2019 10:36 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Huh? Where did you see that Control+NVDA+left and right arrow keys are used to change rate on the fly?

To others: there is a specific reason why I’m doing it like this (will explain soon).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hello all,

I am using Windows 10 with the latest NVDA. When I try to change speech rate on the fly using the NVDA control and either the left or right arrow keys the rate does not change and NVDA says nothing. Has this command changed? If so, what is it now?

Thanks,

Jan

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Re: Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

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Well with the latest alpha the ring works as expected at least in Espeak it does as I use it a lot.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.


Hi all,

I’m sorting through the log Marcio sent me offlist. Although the log didn’t have what I was looking for, it tells me about other possible factors that could cause Control+NVDA+right arrow to fail somehow (for one, Marcio is using an outdated NVDA alpha snapshot).

Cheers,

Joseph



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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:36 PM
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Hi Joseph,
I just sent you the log.


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Em 17/01/2019 05:17, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Yes – to open the log viewer, press NVDA+F1 (with input help mode off, of course).

Cheers,

Joseph



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This log I will generate after pressing this command, isn't it?


Cheers,
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Em 17/01/2019 05:02, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

So with input help mode on, when you press Control+NvDA+right arrow (the regular right arrow, not Numpad right arrow), NVDA stays silent… I’d like to see a log, please.

Cheers,

Jsoeph



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No, not really.
I just tried it and actually it took me a while to understand that even all add-ons appearing as enabled on the add-ons manager the option did take effect. Lol
But anyway, nothing changes.


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Em 17/01/2019 04:42, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Hmmm, I see. Does restarting with add-ons disabled help?

Cheers,

Joseph



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Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.



I'm using the desktop layout.
Also, when I turn on the help to see what a certain command should do and press the command in question, NVDA just keeps silent, nothing happens at all.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 04:13, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Okay, when you open keyboard settings (Control+NVDA+K), what is the keyboard layout set to? Control+NVDA+right arrow will switch to the next synth settings ring if desktop layout is in use, otherwise it’ll move the review cursor to the next word (laptop layout).

Cheers,

Joseph



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Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.



Hi Joseph,
You mentioned that CONTROL+NVDA+right arrow would be a possibility as well as using the left arrow.
What happens here, however, is that when I press the first command, I don't get anything from it.
So you know what could be going on my side?


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 03:58, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Jackie is right, but I had another reason to ask Janet as to where she got that info: sources matter, too. If Janet searched for commands in Google, surely the first result would have been the NVDA user guide for the latest release, unless she found an answer from a specific source that claimed Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys are used to change rate on the fly.
For sake of completeness, here's what Control+NVDA+arro keys will do (if using laptop layout, add a Shift key to this mix):
Imagine you have a collection of circular panels with switches around the outer perimeter. You can turn each panel around, as well as move the switches up and down.
Each panel represents a speech synthesizer, and each switch represents a voice characteristic. After choosing a panel, you can turn the panel around until a specific voice characteristic you wish to change is in front of you. Then you would use the switches to change the chosen characteristic. This is called "synthesizer settings ring", better known as "synth settings ring".
By default, when NVDA starts, the "rate" switch will be active. You can use Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys to move to different "switches" (voice characteristics) such as voice, variant, rate, pitch, volume and so on (different synthesizers expose different settings). Then you would press Control+NVDA+up/down arrow keys to "change the switches" - configure the chosen characteristic to your liking.
While we're at it, one advice to would-be experts (or for those teaching NVDA to others): as much as you can recall NVDA commands while sleeping, it is equally important to recall, apply, and explain concepts, too. In case you're dealing with NVDA code (including add-ons), you should be prepared to not only write interesting code, but willing to explain what your code does (trust me: writing code can be done easily, but explaining your own code require more brainpower and creativity).
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Janet, this is just a suggestion, but I'm wondering if it might not be more helpful--& more accurate--to simply access the NVDA menu, go to help, then go to the "command quick reference guide". There, you can find the keys, both for desktops & laptops, that will perform any command NVDA has. This should contain the most up-to-date & accurate information.

I think what Joseph is trying to tell you here is that the command you tried to use is inaccurate--for the desktop, it's NVDA+ctrl+up or down, w/the laptop you add the shift key.

HTH.

On 1/16/19, Janet Brandly <mailto:jbrandly@shaw.ca> <jbrandly@shaw.ca> wrote:

Hi Joseph,
Wow, thanks for getting back to me so fast! Actually, I just googled it.
Jan


From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Hi,

Huh? Where did you see that Control+NVDA+left and right arrow keys are
used to change rate on the fly?

To others: there is a specific reason why I’m doing it like this (will
explain soon).

Cheers,

Joseph



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Subject: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.



Hello all,

I am using Windows 10 with the latest NVDA. When I try to change
speech rate on the fly using the NVDA control and either the left or
right arrow keys the rate does not change and NVDA says nothing. Has
this command changed? If so, what is it now?

Thanks,

Jan









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Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.


Hi,
Jackie is right, but I had another reason to ask Janet as to where she got that info: sources matter, too. If Janet searched for commands in Google, surely the first result would have been the NVDA user guide for the latest release, unless she found an answer from a specific source that claimed Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys are used to change rate on the fly.
For sake of completeness, here's what Control+NVDA+arro keys will do (if using laptop layout, add a Shift key to this mix):
Imagine you have a collection of circular panels with switches around the outer perimeter. You can turn each panel around, as well as move the switches up and down.
Each panel represents a speech synthesizer, and each switch represents a voice characteristic. After choosing a panel, you can turn the panel around until a specific voice characteristic you wish to change is in front of you. Then you would use the switches to change the chosen characteristic. This is called "synthesizer settings ring", better known as "synth settings ring".
By default, when NVDA starts, the "rate" switch will be active. You can use Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys to move to different "switches" (voice characteristics) such as voice, variant, rate, pitch, volume and so on (different synthesizers expose different settings). Then you would press Control+NVDA+up/down arrow keys to "change the switches" - configure the chosen characteristic to your liking.
While we're at it, one advice to would-be experts (or for those teaching NVDA to others): as much as you can recall NVDA commands while sleeping, it is equally important to recall, apply, and explain concepts, too. In case you're dealing with NVDA code (including add-ons), you should be prepared to not only write interesting code, but willing to explain what your code does (trust me: writing code can be done easily, but explaining your own code require more brainpower and creativity).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Janet, this is just a suggestion, but I'm wondering if it might not be more helpful--& more accurate--to simply access the NVDA menu, go to help, then go to the "command quick reference guide". There, you can find the keys, both for desktops & laptops, that will perform any command NVDA has. This should contain the most up-to-date & accurate information.

I think what Joseph is trying to tell you here is that the command you tried to use is inaccurate--for the desktop, it's NVDA+ctrl+up or down, w/the laptop you add the shift key.

HTH.

On 1/16/19, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Wow, thanks for getting back to me so fast! Actually, I just googled it.
Jan


From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Hi,

Huh? Where did you see that Control+NVDA+left and right arrow keys are
used to change rate on the fly?

To others: there is a specific reason why I’m doing it like this (will
explain soon).

Cheers,

Joseph



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Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.



Hello all,

I am using Windows 10 with the latest NVDA. When I try to change
speech rate on the fly using the NVDA control and either the left or
right arrow keys the rate does not change and NVDA says nothing. Has
this command changed? If so, what is it now?

Thanks,

Jan






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Re: nvda and office mobile microsoft store apps

 

hi.
if you want one free and opensource solution, and dont want to pay for
microsoft office, i recommend you to test libreoffice.
www.libreoffice.org

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Hmm, well not having used those personally I seem to recall that Microsoft
may well be gettting rid of these soon any way.
I read this on another list but was unfortunately not paying attention as
it did not affect me, already being a dinosaur, but from what I do know the

current office stand alones are fine.
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Subject: [nvda] nvda and office mobile microsoft store apps


Hi,

On my RCA Cambio intel atom z8350 windows 10 home tablet the word and other

office free mobile apps do not work good at all with NVDA. Would I be better

off just uninstalling them and subscribing to the full version off Microsoft

office and installing that?
Those apps came with the tablet. Should I just use google docs sheets and

slides in the meantime until I save up and get a full version of office for

the tablet? Well it’s a tablet laptop hybrid with a physical keyboard dock

and it runs windows10 home 32bit.

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Hmm, well not having used those personally I seem to recall that Microsoft may well be gettting rid of these soon any way.
I read this on another list but was unfortunately not paying attention as it did not affect me, already being a dinosaur, but from what I do know the current office stand alones are fine.
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Subject: [nvda] nvda and office mobile microsoft store apps


Hi,

On my RCA Cambio intel atom z8350 windows 10 home tablet the word and other office free mobile apps do not work good at all with NVDA. Would I be better off just uninstalling them and subscribing to the full version off Microsoft office and installing that?
Those apps came with the tablet. Should I just use google docs sheets and slides in the meantime until I save up and get a full version of office for the tablet? Well it’s a tablet laptop hybrid with a physical keyboard dock and it runs windows10 home 32bit.

Josh

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Re: For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

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Bear in mind though that its a dev version after the main release just prior to the abandonment of xp, and that most of the links on the web site go to the full stable versions. Hence my comments of course and also please if it helps you consider donating to nvaccess for others benefit in the future.
End of this thread. I feel that I have done all I can here, as the proper releases are readily available.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


Gene, is what you're asking for different than the dropbox link Brian
gave in his message below yours? Thanks. As I know someone still on XP
who might want this, I'm also glad to have this.

On 1/16/2019 10:20 AM, Gene wrote:
To clarify:
Evidently, you are saying that if you have already created a portable
version, you can run it on XP as a portable version. But that isn't
saying that you can use the installer on an XP machine to create a
portable version. You can't.
Also, Would you mind putting the portable version in Dropbox or
however you want to share it? I can't run the installer here but I'd
like to play with the portable version.
Gene
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*Subject:* [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

I was testing a network link between my windows 7 and the xp machines
upstairs so zipped up my portable install of nvda that ran on the XP
machine, complete with add ons and tweaked symbols etc.
Now its offered with no warranty of any kind and it is a development
snapshot after the final release, so may well have the error sound.
If you want to play however.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/30xp74rs7ttnz5w/nvdaxp%20last%20version.zip?dl=1

Just unzip it to a folder, it should create its own off of wherever you
extract it from. Run the exe, or if you are really lazy, the nvda.bat
file.
You can then play with it and also install it if you so wish, but
although
its clear of nasty viruses or whatever, remember its not supported by
nvaccess. Its old and only around because some of us still keep xp
machines
running.
Note toolbar explorer is in it as aware many other older add ons.
Brian


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Re: TW BLUE was Re: [nvda] twitter?

Darren Harris
 

I’ve tried tweeting them myself but they never got back to me so obviously they aren’t interested in talking to people.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: 17 January 2019 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW BLUE was Re: [nvda] twitter?

 

Try alt+Windows+c to bring up a conversation and alt+windows+shift+i to destroy the conversation buffer. that is, assuming you're using Windows 10. If not, the keystrokes are different. Alt+windows+k will bring up the keystroke editor, where you can either edit the keystrokes or simply look at them, then hit escape when you're finished if you're just looking at them, and the save or ok button if you edit them. Again, though, that's with using Windows 10. I don't use the graphical user interface or the menus much so I can't shed any light on how to bring up a thread or conversation that way.

Annette

On 1/16/2019 3:52 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

For both of your questions I'd give the same answer. I'm not aware of any way to see a thread (nor replies to a specific tweet) using TWBlue.
It'd be a very nice feature, though, what makes me consider talking to the guy programing it for now and see if he'd accept our suggestions.

 

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 16/01/2019 19:30, Cristóbal escreveu:

Two questions on TW-Blue.

How does one access a thread? Say if someone retweets a thread, I can’t figure out how to go to it. The most I can do is search for that person’s user handle, go to their timeline and hunt for it there, but even then, it’s not really a thread as much as going down their timeline.

The second question is how do you view replies to a tweet? I know there’s a view conversation and that’ll place the selected tweet in the search listview tree at the bottom, but even then, there’s really nothing there. I can open the tweet with the shift+control+V command, but that just shows the tweet info. No replies.

I’ve also been thinking of giving OpenTween a try, but thought I’d try to figure out these pretty basic features in TW_Blue first.

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW BLUE was Re: [nvda] twitter?

 

@tw_blue2 on Twitter itself.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 16/01/2019 17:45, AKH AKH escreveu:

Is there a way of contacting the devs of TWBlue?

 

 

Andrew

 

On 16/01/2019 15:55, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

I heard about a paid tutorial for it. Maybe people who know about this one might talk more in this regarding.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 16/01/2019 13:48, Brice Mijares escreveu:

Is there any tutorials using this software? thanks.

On 1/16/2019 7:37 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

There are two versions of TWBlue which are recent ones.
First version is the snapshot (download it from here <https://twblue.es/pubs/snapshot.zip>).
The second version is the installable and you can download it from here <https://twblue.es/pubs/twblue_setup.exe>.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 16/01/2019 11:07, Darren Harris via Groups.Io escreveu:


What’s the latest version of tw blue? I try to update through the app and nothing happens. I’m having a problem with receiving dm’s. they don’t come in at all. Any ideas?

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Robert Kingett
*Sent:* 16 January 2019 12:39
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: TW BLUE was Re: [nvda] twitter?

I'd suggest updating TW Blue because certain API calls no longer work from Twitter because Twitter has shut them down and did a bunch of other things to put a strangle hold on their API. If you don't update TW Blue I fear you will start to have countless bugs. Also, TW Blue is developed by blind people so it will always remain accessible to NVDA and other screen readers. What I've been trying to figure out, partly for an investigative article and partly because I am curious, is, why window eyes was not released as open source after the company was bought out. Anyway, upgrade your TW Blue.

 



 

 

 


Re: TW BLUE was Re: [nvda] twitter?

 

It should work fine with NVDA. Eventually, you’ll be forced to upgrade, or you will no longer be able to use that twitter client. Twitter will force that to happen.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of AKH AKH
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 3:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: TW BLUE was Re: [nvda] twitter?

 

Hi Marcio

 

For several weeks now, TWBlue offers me a new version when I log on.  Do you know if this new version works OK with NVDA - I'm reluctant to upgrade as my current version works so well.

 

Andrew

 

 

On 16/01/2019 07:31, MariaRosa Chapman wrote:

Thanks.

 

They should have something on their website or even take the website down. it still appears they have a purchase page.

 

Maria

 

On 16/01/2019 17:43, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Chicken Nugget no longer works due to changes regarding how Twitter deal with authorizing new accounts now.
Try TWBlue, it's what I use and it's quite good for me. I can help you with it if you want.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 16/01/2019 04:24, MariaRosa Chapman escreveu:

Hi.


was just wondering what people are using for twitter these days? I got a demo of chicken nugget, but when i press add a existing twitter account nothing happens.


thanks.

Maria





 


Re: Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hi all,

I’m sorting through the log Marcio sent me offlist. Although the log didn’t have what I was looking for, it tells me about other possible factors that could cause Control+NVDA+right arrow to fail somehow (for one, Marcio is using an outdated NVDA alpha snapshot).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hi Joseph,
I just sent you the log.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 05:17, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Yes – to open the log viewer, press NVDA+F1 (with input help mode off, of course).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

This log I will generate after pressing this command, isn't it?


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 05:02, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

So with input help mode on, when you press Control+NvDA+right arrow (the regular right arrow, not Numpad right arrow), NVDA stays silent… I’d like to see a log, please.

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

No, not really.
I just tried it and actually it took me a while to understand that even all add-ons appearing as enabled on the add-ons manager the option did take effect. Lol
But anyway, nothing changes.


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Em 17/01/2019 04:42, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Hmmm, I see. Does restarting with add-ons disabled help?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

I'm using the desktop layout.
Also, when I turn on the help to see what a certain command should do and press the command in question, NVDA just keeps silent, nothing happens at all.


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Em 17/01/2019 04:13, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Okay, when you open keyboard settings (Control+NVDA+K), what is the keyboard layout set to? Control+NVDA+right arrow will switch to the next synth settings ring if desktop layout is in use, otherwise it’ll move the review cursor to the next word (laptop layout).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hi Joseph,
You mentioned that CONTROL+NVDA+right arrow would be a possibility as well as using the left arrow.
What happens here, however, is that when I press the first command, I don't get anything from it.
So you know what could be going on my side?


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 03:58, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Jackie is right, but I had another reason to ask Janet as to where she got that info: sources matter, too. If Janet searched for commands in Google, surely the first result would have been the NVDA user guide for the latest release, unless she found an answer from a specific source that claimed Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys are used to change rate on the fly.
For sake of completeness, here's what Control+NVDA+arro keys will do (if using laptop layout, add a Shift key to this mix):
Imagine you have a collection of circular panels with switches around the outer perimeter. You can turn each panel around, as well as move the switches up and down.
Each panel represents a speech synthesizer, and each switch represents a voice characteristic. After choosing a panel, you can turn the panel around until a specific voice characteristic you wish to change is in front of you. Then you would use the switches to change the chosen characteristic. This is called "synthesizer settings ring", better known as "synth settings ring".
By default, when NVDA starts, the "rate" switch will be active. You can use Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys to move to different "switches" (voice characteristics) such as voice, variant, rate, pitch, volume and so on (different synthesizers expose different settings). Then you would press Control+NVDA+up/down arrow keys to "change the switches" - configure the chosen characteristic to your liking.
While we're at it, one advice to would-be experts (or for those teaching NVDA to others): as much as you can recall NVDA commands while sleeping, it is equally important to recall, apply, and explain concepts, too. In case you're dealing with NVDA code (including add-ons), you should be prepared to not only write interesting code, but willing to explain what your code does (trust me: writing code can be done easily, but explaining your own code require more brainpower and creativity).
Cheers,
Joseph
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Janet, this is just a suggestion, but I'm wondering if it might not be more helpful--& more accurate--to simply access the NVDA menu, go to help, then go to the "command quick reference guide". There, you can find the keys, both for desktops & laptops, that will perform any command NVDA has. This should contain the most up-to-date & accurate information.
 
I think what Joseph is trying to tell you here is that the command you tried to use is inaccurate--for the desktop, it's NVDA+ctrl+up or down, w/the laptop you add the shift key.
 
HTH.
 
On 1/16/19, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Wow, thanks for getting back to me so fast! Actually, I just googled it.
Jan
 
 
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Hi,
 
Huh? Where did you see that Control+NVDA+left and right arrow keys are 
used to change rate on the fly?
 
To others: there is a specific reason why I’m doing it like this (will 
explain soon).
 
Cheers,
 
Joseph
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet 
Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
 
 
Hello all,
 
I am using Windows 10 with the latest NVDA. When I try to change 
speech rate on the fly using the NVDA control and either the left or 
right arrow keys the rate does not change and NVDA says nothing. Has 
this command changed? If so, what is it now?
 
Thanks,
 
Jan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hi Joseph,
I just sent you the log.

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Em 17/01/2019 05:17, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Yes – to open the log viewer, press NVDA+F1 (with input help mode off, of course).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

This log I will generate after pressing this command, isn't it?


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Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 05:02, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

So with input help mode on, when you press Control+NvDA+right arrow (the regular right arrow, not Numpad right arrow), NVDA stays silent… I’d like to see a log, please.

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

No, not really.
I just tried it and actually it took me a while to understand that even all add-ons appearing as enabled on the add-ons manager the option did take effect. Lol
But anyway, nothing changes.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 04:42, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Hmmm, I see. Does restarting with add-ons disabled help?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

I'm using the desktop layout.
Also, when I turn on the help to see what a certain command should do and press the command in question, NVDA just keeps silent, nothing happens at all.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 04:13, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Okay, when you open keyboard settings (Control+NVDA+K), what is the keyboard layout set to? Control+NVDA+right arrow will switch to the next synth settings ring if desktop layout is in use, otherwise it’ll move the review cursor to the next word (laptop layout).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hi Joseph,
You mentioned that CONTROL+NVDA+right arrow would be a possibility as well as using the left arrow.
What happens here, however, is that when I press the first command, I don't get anything from it.
So you know what could be going on my side?


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 17/01/2019 03:58, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Jackie is right, but I had another reason to ask Janet as to where she got that info: sources matter, too. If Janet searched for commands in Google, surely the first result would have been the NVDA user guide for the latest release, unless she found an answer from a specific source that claimed Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys are used to change rate on the fly.
For sake of completeness, here's what Control+NVDA+arro keys will do (if using laptop layout, add a Shift key to this mix):
Imagine you have a collection of circular panels with switches around the outer perimeter. You can turn each panel around, as well as move the switches up and down.
Each panel represents a speech synthesizer, and each switch represents a voice characteristic. After choosing a panel, you can turn the panel around until a specific voice characteristic you wish to change is in front of you. Then you would use the switches to change the chosen characteristic. This is called "synthesizer settings ring", better known as "synth settings ring".
By default, when NVDA starts, the "rate" switch will be active. You can use Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys to move to different "switches" (voice characteristics) such as voice, variant, rate, pitch, volume and so on (different synthesizers expose different settings). Then you would press Control+NVDA+up/down arrow keys to "change the switches" - configure the chosen characteristic to your liking.
While we're at it, one advice to would-be experts (or for those teaching NVDA to others): as much as you can recall NVDA commands while sleeping, it is equally important to recall, apply, and explain concepts, too. In case you're dealing with NVDA code (including add-ons), you should be prepared to not only write interesting code, but willing to explain what your code does (trust me: writing code can be done easily, but explaining your own code require more brainpower and creativity).
Cheers,
Joseph
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Janet, this is just a suggestion, but I'm wondering if it might not be more helpful--& more accurate--to simply access the NVDA menu, go to help, then go to the "command quick reference guide". There, you can find the keys, both for desktops & laptops, that will perform any command NVDA has. This should contain the most up-to-date & accurate information.
 
I think what Joseph is trying to tell you here is that the command you tried to use is inaccurate--for the desktop, it's NVDA+ctrl+up or down, w/the laptop you add the shift key.
 
HTH.
 
On 1/16/19, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Wow, thanks for getting back to me so fast! Actually, I just googled it.
Jan
 
 
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Hi,
 
Huh? Where did you see that Control+NVDA+left and right arrow keys are 
used to change rate on the fly?
 
To others: there is a specific reason why I’m doing it like this (will 
explain soon).
 
Cheers,
 
Joseph
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet 
Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
 
 
Hello all,
 
I am using Windows 10 with the latest NVDA. When I try to change 
speech rate on the fly using the NVDA control and either the left or 
right arrow keys the rate does not change and NVDA says nothing. Has 
this command changed? If so, what is it now?
 
Thanks,
 
Jan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Sending Synthesizer Audio To another Source

Quentin Christensen
 

There is some conversation about NVDA sounds playing on a different device to speech in this issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2167

I just tried a second device on my system and NVDA sounds are played on the same device as speech for me, so it definitely seems to be something which affects some users (or users in some situations?) more than others.

Anyone who has done more experimentation and can offer any more insight, please do comment on that GitHub issue as well.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 12:29 PM Sile via Groups.Io <somodhrain=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
In my experience, the system sounds go with the main audio. NVDA sounds state with NVDA.

Sile
> On Jan 16, 2019, at 3:22 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
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> Does this also move sounds made by nvda as well?
> Also what about system sounds. Do these functions also apply for windows sounds in 7 and 10 would you know.
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 11:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Sending Synthesizer Audio To another Source
>
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> DId you see the replies to your other question on this?  Press
>> NVDA+control+s to open NVDA's synthesizer dialog, then press TAB once to
>> move to the "Output device" and set that to the output device you would
>> like to use.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 10:10 AM Dave Marthouse <dmarthouse@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am using NVDA as a screen reader in conjunction with some broadcast
>>> automation software.
>>>
>>>
>>> I want to send the synthesizer audio to another set of speakers as
>>> naturally I do not want to have the software synthesizer mixing with
>>> on-air audio.
>>>
>>>
>>> Any information on how this can be accomplished would be appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> dmarthouse@...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hi,

Yes – to open the log viewer, press NVDA+F1 (with input help mode off, of course).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

This log I will generate after pressing this command, isn't it?


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 05:02, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

So with input help mode on, when you press Control+NvDA+right arrow (the regular right arrow, not Numpad right arrow), NVDA stays silent… I’d like to see a log, please.

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

No, not really.
I just tried it and actually it took me a while to understand that even all add-ons appearing as enabled on the add-ons manager the option did take effect. Lol
But anyway, nothing changes.


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 17/01/2019 04:42, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Hmmm, I see. Does restarting with add-ons disabled help?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

I'm using the desktop layout.
Also, when I turn on the help to see what a certain command should do and press the command in question, NVDA just keeps silent, nothing happens at all.


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 17/01/2019 04:13, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Okay, when you open keyboard settings (Control+NVDA+K), what is the keyboard layout set to? Control+NVDA+right arrow will switch to the next synth settings ring if desktop layout is in use, otherwise it’ll move the review cursor to the next word (laptop layout).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hi Joseph,
You mentioned that CONTROL+NVDA+right arrow would be a possibility as well as using the left arrow.
What happens here, however, is that when I press the first command, I don't get anything from it.
So you know what could be going on my side?


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 17/01/2019 03:58, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Jackie is right, but I had another reason to ask Janet as to where she got that info: sources matter, too. If Janet searched for commands in Google, surely the first result would have been the NVDA user guide for the latest release, unless she found an answer from a specific source that claimed Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys are used to change rate on the fly.
For sake of completeness, here's what Control+NVDA+arro keys will do (if using laptop layout, add a Shift key to this mix):
Imagine you have a collection of circular panels with switches around the outer perimeter. You can turn each panel around, as well as move the switches up and down.
Each panel represents a speech synthesizer, and each switch represents a voice characteristic. After choosing a panel, you can turn the panel around until a specific voice characteristic you wish to change is in front of you. Then you would use the switches to change the chosen characteristic. This is called "synthesizer settings ring", better known as "synth settings ring".
By default, when NVDA starts, the "rate" switch will be active. You can use Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys to move to different "switches" (voice characteristics) such as voice, variant, rate, pitch, volume and so on (different synthesizers expose different settings). Then you would press Control+NVDA+up/down arrow keys to "change the switches" - configure the chosen characteristic to your liking.
While we're at it, one advice to would-be experts (or for those teaching NVDA to others): as much as you can recall NVDA commands while sleeping, it is equally important to recall, apply, and explain concepts, too. In case you're dealing with NVDA code (including add-ons), you should be prepared to not only write interesting code, but willing to explain what your code does (trust me: writing code can be done easily, but explaining your own code require more brainpower and creativity).
Cheers,
Joseph
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Janet, this is just a suggestion, but I'm wondering if it might not be more helpful--& more accurate--to simply access the NVDA menu, go to help, then go to the "command quick reference guide". There, you can find the keys, both for desktops & laptops, that will perform any command NVDA has. This should contain the most up-to-date & accurate information.
 
I think what Joseph is trying to tell you here is that the command you tried to use is inaccurate--for the desktop, it's NVDA+ctrl+up or down, w/the laptop you add the shift key.
 
HTH.
 
On 1/16/19, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Wow, thanks for getting back to me so fast! Actually, I just googled it.
Jan
 
 
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Hi,
 
Huh? Where did you see that Control+NVDA+left and right arrow keys are 
used to change rate on the fly?
 
To others: there is a specific reason why I’m doing it like this (will 
explain soon).
 
Cheers,
 
Joseph
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet 
Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
 
 
Hello all,
 
I am using Windows 10 with the latest NVDA. When I try to change 
speech rate on the fly using the NVDA control and either the left or 
right arrow keys the rate does not change and NVDA says nothing. Has 
this command changed? If so, what is it now?
 
Thanks,
 
Jan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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