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Re: Version 22.10: Add-on Updater, Event Tracker, Windows App Essentials #addonrelease

Ravindran V.S.
 

Thank you Joseph for your swift response.

Got it, so need to check for every add-ons version number before updating them. Specially if we install the latest version from the direct links.

Cheers,

Ravi.

V.S.Ravindran.

Excuses leads to failure!””

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 9:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Version 22.10: Add-on Updater, Event Tracker, Windows App Essentials #addonrelease

 

Hi,

This is more towards add-on source repository maintenance area as it takes time for repository maintainers to update download links. I have elected to compare version differences rather than trying to see which one is newer due to subtleties with Python, soething beyond Add-on Updater's control.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Version 22.10: Add-on Updater, Event Tracker, Windows App Essentials #addonrelease

 

Hi,

This is more towards add-on source repository maintenance area as it takes time for repository maintainers to update download links. I have elected to compare version differences rather than trying to see which one is newer due to subtleties with Python, soething beyond Add-on Updater's control.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Version 22.10: Add-on Updater, Event Tracker, Windows App Essentials #addonrelease

Ravindran V.S.
 

Dear Joseph,

 

I have noticed that when checking for update using the Add-on Updater, even just noticed from the Spanish community source, it offers updates but not to the higher version.

Seems it is just comparing the version numbers and if there is a difference it tents to update.

For e.g.; I have the latest Add-On updater version 2022.10 installed direct from the link you offered.

And when I check the updates, it offers to update and the version says as 2022.09

And I have noticed this with several of them. Even the Tonys Enhancement keeps on updating almost every time it is checked. And the offering is for a lower version.

I tried to copy the list of offerings to show here, but cannot copy that list.

This happens with the NVDA Community source too.

What am I doing wrong or anything to avoid this please?

Using Windows 10 Pro; 2022 h2 64bit

NVDA 2022.2.3

Add-On updater version 2022.10

Vocalizer synth

 

Due to a problem that NVDA loads and the speech did not come; So I have uninstalled NVDA and made a fresh installation. And Have disabled all Add-ons and just activated Add-on updater and couple of others.

Trying to identify the problematic Add-on which caused this problem. Or any other facts; Narrator and other screen readers did not have this issue. Since NVDA is my primary SR got stuck a bit.

But all the Add-Ons worked fine with the previous version of NVDA.

Thanks,

Ravi.

V.S.Ravindran.

Excuses leads to failure!””

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 5:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Version 22.10: Add-on Updater, Event Tracker, Windows App Essentials #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

Within the next twenty minutes of sending this email, Add-on Updater will begin offering updates for Event Tracker, Windows App Essentials, and for itself provided that add-on update source is set to community add-ons website.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Version 22.10: Add-on Updater, Event Tracker, Windows App Essentials #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

Within the next twenty minutes of sending this email, Add-on Updater will begin offering updates for Event Tracker, Windows App Essentials, and for itself provided that add-on update source is set to community add-ons website.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Potential accessibility issues with disk manager on windows 10

Tom Moore
 

Hi,

I was able to figure out how to get my drive working.

I was unable to figure out how to partition the drive with in disk manager so  I just used Diskpart to create the partition I needed and format it.

 

Tom


Re: Potential accessibility issues with disk manager on windows 10

 

My colleague figured everything out. He didn't give me excruciating details, however.







On 9/22/2022 1:39 PM, JM Casey wrote:

As far as I know both diskpart and disk management are perfectly usable with the keyboard.Granted I haven’t tried everything.

Why do you not want to use command line?

The .msc consoles are all accessible though aren’t they?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: September 22, 2022 01:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] potential accedssibility issues with disk manager on windows 10

 

Hello list. The subject says it all.

 

How do you partition and format an external USB drive using disk manager on Windows 10?

I expected it to be its own application, or somewhere in the settings app. In most of these cases, the process would be perfectly accessible. A colleague has told me that this is a MMC (Microsoft Management Console) based application. This particular process seems to be more flexible from a GUI based perspective, but, not from a keyboard users point of view. I could use command line diskpart. I am trying to avoid doing things in a potentially nonstandard way.


Re: scroll through?

 

I have these types to.

I have to scroll with mouse wheel on the start of them till they are no more intel graphics drivers do this.

I eventually get there but yeah.  

On 25/09/2022 4:03 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

Gene,

Just FYI, it seems to me these days that these agreements are generally contained in some sort of "mini-window" of their own that resides on the webpage itself.  I really cannot remember what that object is called, but you have to scroll the text as it's showing within that object or it's not going to recognize it as having been read (even though virtually no one is actually reading, they're just scrolling to the bottom of the text).

Someone who does web coding probably knows what these objects/widgets are actually called, but I don't.  Even the "agree" button or checkbox is often an integrated part of the thing.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt


Re: scroll through?

 

Hmph.

Yeah strange things.

I was in a rewards program after doing a google test.

I was able to read most things but some address fields appeared weird and there was that checkbox.

Nvda could see its location but couldn't click it, recognise it was a box or say there was a box.

And when clicked there was no feedback and I needed sighted help.


Now since I do test for dolphin I do have their reader.


Maybe jaws can read it but I'd wager it can't not even narator can read it in a chromium based brouser.

If it doesn't work with nvda or narator which are really basic readers using a lot of system stuff jaws may not either.

On 25/09/2022 3:38 am, enes sarıbaş wrote:
Hi all,

I  have seen several websites such the Apple store, where you have to check a box or click a button after scrolling through an agreement or text.  With Firefox and NVDA, the website won't recognize that you have read the text and won't allow you to proceed.   Is there  a solution to these fields, or is this yet again something else that I need to purchase a comertial screen reader for?





Re: scroll through?

Gene
 

What happens if you move to that point in browse mode, then use the NVDA move mouse command to where you are on the web page.  What we call the virtual mouse in NVDA, is actually moving the real mouse as far as Windows is concerned, even though you are not moving a physical mouse.  I find times when I can't move the mouse using the NVDA move mouse command but its worth trying.

Gene

On 9/24/2022 10:47 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
No the checkbox only works when hte website detects the mouse has scrolled to a specified point.

On 9/24/2022 9:46 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
I'm curious to check this out. Are you sure there isn't a checkbox or button you can activate?
What about Object Nav and simulated left mouse click?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 24, 2022 10:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] scroll through?

If a commercial screen-reader solves the problem, why not use a demo?

Gene

On 9/24/2022 9:38 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
Hi all,

I  have seen several websites such the Apple store, where you have to
check a box or click a button after scrolling through an agreement or
text.  With Firefox and NVDA, the website won't recognize that you
have read the text and won't allow you to proceed.   Is there a
solution to these fields, or is this yet again something else that I
need to purchase a comertial screen reader for?

















.


Re: Potential accessibility issues with disk manager on windows 10

 

On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 12:20 PM, leandro da cruz wrote:
be better if I did everything by command through CMD what do you think?
-
If you understand how to use the diskpart command, then, yes, as it gives you perfect control with no GUI.

Personally, I'd lay out what I need to do as a command script in a BAT file, then run that.  As an example, I give instructions when doing a completely clean install of Windows 10 or 11 for wiping the disk beforehand, which in that case you do by hand at the time, but those commands could be placed in a BAT file.
-----
diskpart
select disk {correct number, which you've checked manually in command prompt just before you run this script and replace it here}
clean
convert gpt
exit
-----

See the following references (and there are thousands more that exist on the web):
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/windows-commands/diskpart 
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/list-of-diskpart-commands-windows 
https://www.lifewire.com/diskpart-command-2625864 

I personally hate the GUI for disk manager and don't use it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt


Re: Potential accessibility issues with disk manager on windows 10

leandro da cruz
 

It would be better if I did everything by command through CMD what do you think?

 


Re: scroll through?

enes sarıbaş
 

This is really hard to demonstrate.  The TMobile prepaid refill screen has such a box, which was one reason I decided to switch to postpaid and get a much better designed website.  But the Apple IPhone order page when selecting carrier financing also has two checkboxes that you need to scroll to be able to check the box to accept the agreement.

On 9/24/2022 9:51 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I'd be far more inclined to try a different web browser than a different screen reader as the first attempt at problem solving.  It's well known that certain websites "play better" with screen readers when used with specific web browsers.

Again, it would be helpful to have example URLs, as this is very difficult to troubleshoot in the abstract.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt


Re: scroll through?

enes sarıbaş
 

No the checkbox only works when hte website detects the mouse has scrolled to a specified point.

On 9/24/2022 9:46 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
I'm curious to check this out. Are you sure there isn't a checkbox or button you can activate?
What about Object Nav and simulated left mouse click?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 24, 2022 10:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] scroll through?

If a commercial screen-reader solves the problem, why not use a demo?

Gene

On 9/24/2022 9:38 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
Hi all,

I have seen several websites such the Apple store, where you have to
check a box or click a button after scrolling through an agreement or
text. With Firefox and NVDA, the website won't recognize that you
have read the text and won't allow you to proceed. Is there a
solution to these fields, or is this yet again something else that I
need to purchase a comertial screen reader for?














Re: scroll through?

Gene
 

If you can't scroll as I described, you may well be able to if you turn caret browsing on and move with the arrow keys or with page down through the page in that way.  Using Firefox, if I turn caret browsing on, I can move down the screen in those ways.  Whether that makes the web page think I have read the agreement is another question but that is something else to try.

Have browse mode off, caret browsing on and move through the page.

To turn on caret browsing, issue the command f7.  A dialog will come up.  Answer yes. 

To turn off caret browsing, use f7 again, you may have to press it more than once,  The same dialog will come up.  This time, answer no.

Gene

On 9/24/2022 10:03 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Gene,

Just FYI, it seems to me these days that these agreements are generally contained in some sort of "mini-window" of their own that resides on the webpage itself.  I really cannot remember what that object is called, but you have to scroll the text as it's showing within that object or it's not going to recognize it as having been read (even though virtually no one is actually reading, they're just scrolling to the bottom of the text).

Someone who does web coding probably knows what these objects/widgets are actually called, but I don't.  Even the "agree" button or checkbox is often an integrated part of the thing.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt



Re: scroll through?

 

Gene,

Just FYI, it seems to me these days that these agreements are generally contained in some sort of "mini-window" of their own that resides on the webpage itself.  I really cannot remember what that object is called, but you have to scroll the text as it's showing within that object or it's not going to recognize it as having been read (even though virtually no one is actually reading, they're just scrolling to the bottom of the text).

Someone who does web coding probably knows what these objects/widgets are actually called, but I don't.  Even the "agree" button or checkbox is often an integrated part of the thing.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt


Re: scroll through?

Gene
 

I'll add that I thought page down moved you through a web page when browse mode is off but experimenting raises the question of whether it does.  Brian should be able to answer the question.  I would expect it to but from playing around with NVDA, I'm not sure it does, yet there must be a way to scroll down a page using the keyboard, working directly with the page.

Gene

On 9/24/2022 9:57 AM, Gene wrote:

Along with trying another browser, I would suggest moving through the page using NVDA, by repeatedly pressing page down while browse mode is off.  After all, if a site does try to determine whether someone reads an agreement, the only way it can do so is if the person scrolls through it and using page down on a web site while browse mode is off moves you directly through the underlying page so you should be able to fool the site.


Gene

On 9/24/2022 9:51 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I'd be far more inclined to try a different web browser than a different screen reader as the first attempt at problem solving.  It's well known that certain websites "play better" with screen readers when used with specific web browsers.

Again, it would be helpful to have example URLs, as this is very difficult to troubleshoot in the abstract.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt




Re: Version 22.10: Add-on Updater, Event Tracker, Windows App Essentials #addonrelease

 

Joseph could not have been more clear, in my opinion.

1. The add-ons are complete.
2. The request has been made to queue them through the normal automatic distribution channels, but that request has not yet been acted upon.
3. Manual download links have been provided for those who wish to apply these updates prior to their entering into the automatic distribution channels.

You don't have to do anything to get these updates if you're willing for them to show up via the normal automatic update channels once they've been queued there.  But if you "have to have them now" a way has been provided for you to download the add-on.  Once you've done that, if NVDA is running, activating the add-on file will cause it to be installed in NVDA.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt


Re: scroll through?

Gene
 

Along with trying another browser, I would suggest moving through the page using NVDA, by repeatedly pressing page down while browse mode is off.  After all, if a site does try to determine whether someone reads an agreement, the only way it can do so is if the person scrolls through it and using page down on a web site while browse mode is off moves you directly through the underlying page so you should be able to fool the site.


Gene

On 9/24/2022 9:51 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I'd be far more inclined to try a different web browser than a different screen reader as the first attempt at problem solving.  It's well known that certain websites "play better" with screen readers when used with specific web browsers.

Again, it would be helpful to have example URLs, as this is very difficult to troubleshoot in the abstract.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt



Re: scroll through?

 

I'd be far more inclined to try a different web browser than a different screen reader as the first attempt at problem solving.  It's well known that certain websites "play better" with screen readers when used with specific web browsers.

Again, it would be helpful to have example URLs, as this is very difficult to troubleshoot in the abstract.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt


Re: scroll through?

Chris Smart
 

I'm curious to check this out. Are you sure there isn't a checkbox or button you can activate?
What about Object Nav and simulated left mouse click?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 24, 2022 10:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] scroll through?

If a commercial screen-reader solves the problem, why not use a demo?

Gene

On 9/24/2022 9:38 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
Hi all,

I have seen several websites such the Apple store, where you have to
check a box or click a button after scrolling through an agreement or
text. With Firefox and NVDA, the website won't recognize that you
have read the text and won't allow you to proceed. Is there a
solution to these fields, or is this yet again something else that I
need to purchase a comertial screen reader for?