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Re: outlook is working again...

ely.r@...
 

Jean you are correct. I prefer control + enter as the enter key is harder to miss.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 5:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

In Windows programs there are often two or three or more ways to do the same thing.  I believe in Outlook Express and Windows Live Mail, both alt s and control enter work.  I don't use Outlook, but I wouldn't be surprised if they both work in that program as well since they are all Microsoft programs.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Alt s works here for sending emails.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Wait… I’m confused. I thought the way to send emails in outlook was alt s.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Just seeing if CTRL/ALT+S does anything as expected. Let's try it.
No, it doesn't do. All it does is saving the message as a draft.

Em 27/12/2018 03:59, Rosemarie Chavarria escreveu:

I tried alt f-4 and found that it didn't work. Control enter is the right command.

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�

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.� I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.� If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi, Gene,

�

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

�

Rosemarie

�

�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Since it�s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.� At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures.�You will also likely find other standard�e-mail programs to be similar.�

�

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.� To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

�

To start a new message is control n.� Those are just a few examples.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hello.

I�m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it�s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I�m very familiar with it. I�ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?� I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

�

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with� the processor on this machine.

--
A few words to be cautious of between American and English:
�- momentarily
�- suspenders
�- chips
�- pants
�- jelly
�- pavement
�- vest
�- pint (and gallon)
�- pissed


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Re: outlook is working again...

Gene
 

In Windows programs there are often two or three or more ways to do the same thing.  I believe in Outlook Express and Windows Live Mail, both alt s and control enter work.  I don't use Outlook, but I wouldn't be surprised if they both work in that program as well since they are all Microsoft programs.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Alt s works here for sending emails.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Wait… I’m confused. I thought the way to send emails in outlook was alt s.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Just seeing if CTRL/ALT+S does anything as expected. Let's try it.
No, it doesn't do. All it does is saving the message as a draft.

 


Cheers,
Marcio


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Em 27/12/2018 03:59, Rosemarie Chavarria escreveu:

I tried alt f-4 and found that it didn't work. Control enter is the right command.

�

�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.� I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.� If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi, Gene,

�

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

�

Rosemarie

�

�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Since it�s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.� At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures.�You will also likely find other standard�e-mail programs to be similar.�

�

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.� To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

�

To start a new message is control n.� Those are just a few examples.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hello.

I�m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it�s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I�m very familiar with it. I�ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?� I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

�

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with� the processor on this machine.

--
A few words to be cautious of between American and English:
�- momentarily
�- suspenders
�- chips
�- pants
�- jelly
�- pavement
�- vest
�- pint (and gallon)
�- pissed


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Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

Thank you for discussing the matter in a civil and civilized manner and for the compliments. 
 
If you send me an example of how you think the message would be better written, I'll consider it.  I don't know if this matters in considering the question, but I was writing to you but also to anyone following the thread.  Perhaps I'll send the message as a moderator comment so that more people will see it.  but I wanted to emphasize it.  It isn't just a matter of inconvenience, but these days, criminals purchase domains with slight spelling errors that someone might make when typing popular addresses.  If someone makes such an error, they may be taken to a malicious site that may try to infect the machine or try to convince the person to give personal information on the site, maybe by presenting a login page that looks like the real one.  But I consider this question of some importance.
 
Gene
----- original Messsage -----

From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene,


I've already corrected my message.


You may not be dictatorial (which I don't think you are), but sometimes
you do come through as a very intolerant and rough person to say the least.


Luckily, I've been around this group long enough to appreciate your
value as a person always ready to share knowledge and help.


We might need to check urls character by character, but I think you
should check the tone of your messages sometimes, before you send them
out...


With great respect and appreciation.

Ollie




Il 27/12/2018 21:42, Gene ha scritto:
> Will people please check addresses character by character before
> sending a message if they write or dictate them and not paste them
> from the address bar.  I see errors in addresses far to often on the
> lists I follow when people type them.  This link is not correct.  A
> dash was used before the com.  The address is:
> www.perfect-english-grammar.com <http://www.perfect-english-grammar.com>
> I understand that we live in an era where people write however they
> wish.  But when writing something where precision matters, a path
> statement, a web site address, a mathematical formula, the time of an
> event, it is necessary to check what is written.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@...>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2018 1:03 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest
> version of NVDA and Firefox
>
> I'm pleased to report that Seonaid Beckwith, creator and owner of the
>
>
> www.perfect-english-grammar-com <http://www.perfect-english-grammar-com>
>
>
> website, following my email, has solved the unlabelled links issue in
> the paid section of her site.
>
>
> Her site is great for learning English, and she's very sensitive to
> accessibility, which makes it worth following.
>
>
> Ciao,
>
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
> Il 27/12/2018 19:54, Mallard ha scritto:
> > Hello Gne,
> >
> >
> > Answers to all your questions is Yes. Different browsers (Edge,
> > Firefox (several versions), Different computers.
> >
> > Windows 10, Version 1803, but it started in 1703.
> >
> >
> > I wanted to send you pages, but they all require username and password.
> >
> >
> > However, I've noticed that most of the time they are lists. For
> > example, in various sites the issue concerns lists of social media you
> > can share stuff on.
> >
> >
> > On another occasion, in
> >
> >
> > www.perfect-english-grammar-com <http://www.perfect-english-grammar-com>
> >
> >
> > under the paid section called PEG Plus, you have this problem within
> > the list of courses.
> >
> >
> > If I come across some site that has free access to something like
> > that, I'll post it.
> >
> >
> >
> > By the way, I also tried to read the link name with Windows10 OCR, but
> > there was nothing to be read.
> >
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > Ollie
> >
> > ps: In the case of PEG Plus, I reported the issue to the owner of the
> > site.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



Re: outlook is working again...

 

Alt s works here for sending emails.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Wait… I’m confused. I thought the way to send emails in outlook was alt s.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Just seeing if CTRL/ALT+S does anything as expected. Let's try it.
No, it doesn't do. All it does is saving the message as a draft.

Em 27/12/2018 03:59, Rosemarie Chavarria escreveu:

I tried alt f-4 and found that it didn't work. Control enter is the right command.

�

�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.� I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.� If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi, Gene,

�

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

�

Rosemarie

�

�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Since it�s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.� At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures.�You will also likely find other standard�e-mail programs to be similar.�

�

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.� To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

�

To start a new message is control n.� Those are just a few examples.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hello.

I�m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it�s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I�m very familiar with it. I�ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?� I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

�

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with� the processor on this machine.

--
A few words to be cautious of between American and English:
�- momentarily
�- suspenders
�- chips
�- pants
�- jelly
�- pavement
�- vest
�- pint (and gallon)
�- pissed


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Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Mallard
 

Gene,


I've already corrected my message.


You may not be dictatorial (which I don't think you are), but sometimes you do come through as a very intolerant and rough person to say the least.


Luckily, I've been around this group long enough to appreciate your value as a person always ready to share knowledge and help.


We might need to check urls character by character, but I think you should check the tone of your messages sometimes, before you send them out...


With great respect and appreciation.

Ollie

Il 27/12/2018 21:42, Gene ha scritto:
Will people please check addresses character by character before sending a message if they write or dictate them and not paste them from the address bar.  I see errors in addresses far to often on the lists I follow when people type them.  This link is not correct.  A dash was used before the com.  The address is:
www.perfect-english-grammar.com <http://www.perfect-english-grammar.com>
I understand that we live in an era where people write however they wish.  But when writing something where precision matters, a path statement, a web site address, a mathematical formula, the time of an event, it is necessary to check what is written.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@kimabe.eu>
*Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2018 1:03 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

I'm pleased to report that Seonaid Beckwith, creator and owner of the


www.perfect-english-grammar-com <http://www.perfect-english-grammar-com>


website, following my email, has solved the unlabelled links issue in
the paid section of her site.


Her site is great for learning English, and she's very sensitive to
accessibility, which makes it worth following.


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 27/12/2018 19:54, Mallard ha scritto:
Hello Gne,


Answers to all your questions is Yes. Different browsers (Edge,
Firefox (several versions), Different computers.

Windows 10, Version 1803, but it started in 1703.


I wanted to send you pages, but they all require username and password.


However, I've noticed that most of the time they are lists. For
example, in various sites the issue concerns lists of social media you
can share stuff on.


On another occasion, in


www.perfect-english-grammar-com <http://www.perfect-english-grammar-com>


under the paid section called PEG Plus, you have this problem within
the list of courses.


If I come across some site that has free access to something like
that, I'll post it.



By the way, I also tried to read the link name with Windows10 OCR, but
there was nothing to be read.


Ciao,

Ollie

ps: In the case of PEG Plus, I reported the issue to the owner of the
site.






Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Mallard
 

Hello list,


Sorry all. I mistyped the url. The correct one is


www.perfect-english-grammar.com


Whoever is interested in improving their English can find a wonderful resource there, even just in the free section of the site.

I use it a lot with the students I teach as a volunteer.


Ciao, sorry again,

Ollie

Il 27/12/2018 20:03, Mallard ha scritto:
I'm pleased to report that Seonaid Beckwith, creator and owner of the


www.perfect-english-grammar-com


website, following my email, has solved the unlabelled links issue in the paid section of her site.


Her site is great for learning English, and she's very sensitive to accessibility, which makes it worth following.


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 27/12/2018 19:54, Mallard ha scritto:
Hello Gne,


Answers to all your questions is Yes. Different browsers (Edge, Firefox (several versions), Different computers.

Windows 10, Version 1803, but it started in 1703.


I wanted to send you pages, but they all require username and password.


However, I've noticed that most of the time they are lists. For example, in various sites the issue concerns lists of social media you can share stuff on.


On another occasion, in


www.perfect-english-grammar-com


under the paid section called PEG Plus, you have this problem within the list of courses.


If I come across some site that has free access to something like that, I'll post it.



By the way, I also tried to read the link name with Windows10 OCR, but there was nothing to be read.


Ciao,

Ollie

ps: In the case of PEG Plus, I reported the issue to the owner of the site.






Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

I forgot to paste In  the section that is almost a personal attack.  Here it is:
              I do not, ever, need to be lectured by you about "the intent" of a given command, as I know what they can be appropriately used for, which is very often at distinct variance with your opinion.
In this diatribe, you are stating that I am often mistaken in my knowledge of such commands and their intended use.  That is very close to, maybe it even is, a personal attack as stated and it is not factually correct.  I am very careful to learn proper commands and their uses. 
 
And we aren't talking about opinions.  it is factuallly correct that if you use an incorrect command that works in some contexts and not others, you leave yourself opened to unexpected results. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

I'm sorry if you consider my comments a lecture and dictatorial.  You may disagree with me and that's fine.  but what you interpret as dictatorial is simply a firm statement of what I strongly believe is good practice.  I'm sorry if it sounds to you like being dictatorial.  It isn't. 
 
There are times when different ways of doing things are a matter or largely a matter of preference.  If someone wants to type the name or part of the name of a program into the start menu search field instead of using short cut keys or moving to the desktop and pressing enter on an icon to open a program, that is more or less a matter of preference.  I can point out the most efficient way to open programs but if someone wants to use another way, even if its slower, that is his preference.  That is not the case here.  We are talking about specific commands with different intended purposes and different functions. 
 
K is intended and is described as a move by links command.  If you are on a site you have visited before and you only want to move to unvisited links, then u is the proper command to use.  If you use u indiscriminately in place of k, you may use it on a site you have visited before and don't remember you have.  You may miss links.  Again, and maybe if I phrase it differently, you will not take offense.  I strongly believe that it is good practice to use commands for their intended purposes.  All the various ways I mentioned in my preference example are commands used for their intended purposes.  Windows has perhaps four or five different ways of opening programs but they are all intended for that purpose. You are advocating using a command with a different purpose because, if you use it in a certain context, it will work in the same way.  that leaves someone doing that opened to using it in error in an unintended context with unintended results. 
 
I would think that a bit of common sense would tell you when I am expressing something I believe strongly and that I don't think should be qualified and when I am being dictatorial.  I didn't say, do this.  I said it is good practice and I explained why.  I also stated my position so that anyone else following the thread will know what I think.  I don't just discuss points and argue my position for the one person I am conversing with directly at the time.  There are over one-thousand members of this list.  I am writing for anyone interested. 
Your reply is almost insulting in this passage:
You are accusing me of having poorly supported or erroneous opinions based on incorrect thought or incorrect facts.  Neither is true and you don't have to be insulting.  You are not the only one who can be angered or offended.  But I control it and don't make things personal.  I would appreciate a little more temperate responses when you disagree and that you consider that what may seem to you like being arbitrary and dictatorial may not be when given a little thought and viewed in the context of discussing matters on the list for the list.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 01:11 PM, Gene wrote:
it's just better in general to use intended commands for their intended purpose and not start using various commands for purposes they weren't intended for. 
Gene,

             Believe it or not your way is not, and never will be, the one, true way.

              I do not, ever, need to be lectured by you about "the intent" of a given command, as I know what they can be appropriately used for, which is very often at distinct variance with your opinion.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Any available tutorial on Golden Cursor

Sim Kah Yong
 

Thanks for the pointer, I found the said tutorial and many more at

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials/

Thanks so much Joseph for the great work on NVDA and the community.


On 27/12/2018 1:31 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Don’t quote me on this, but I believe Joseph did make an audio tutorial or a written one on his site which he’d have to provide the URL.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:28:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Any available tutorial on Golden Cursor
 
Hi all,

Does anyone know if there is any tutorial demonstrating the use and
power of the add-on Golden Cursor? This Add-on might be useful in
instance where even Object Navigation cannot help to read the screen.  A
google search turn up nothing for me. Please advise, I am all-ears. Thanks.






Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

I'm sorry if you consider my comments a lecture and dictatorial.  You may disagree with me and that's fine.  but what you interpret as dictatorial is simply a firm statement of what I strongly believe is good practice.  I'm sorry if it sounds to you like being dictatorial.  It isn't. 
 
There are times when different ways of doing things are a matter or largely a matter of preference.  If someone wants to type the name or part of the name of a program into the start menu search field instead of using short cut keys or moving to the desktop and pressing enter on an icon to open a program, that is more or less a matter of preference.  I can point out the most efficient way to open programs but if someone wants to use another way, even if its slower, that is his preference.  That is not the case here.  We are talking about specific commands with different intended purposes and different functions. 
 
K is intended and is described as a move by links command.  If you are on a site you have visited before and you only want to move to unvisited links, then u is the proper command to use.  If you use u indiscriminately in place of k, you may use it on a site you have visited before and don't remember you have.  You may miss links.  Again, and maybe if I phrase it differently, you will not take offense.  I strongly believe that it is good practice to use commands for their intended purposes.  All the various ways I mentioned in my preference example are commands used for their intended purposes.  Windows has perhaps four or five different ways of opening programs but they are all intended for that purpose. You are advocating using a command with a different purpose because, if you use it in a certain context, it will work in the same way.  that leaves someone doing that opened to using it in error in an unintended context with unintended results. 
 
I would think that a bit of common sense would tell you when I am expressing something I believe strongly and that I don't think should be qualified and when I am being dictatorial.  I didn't say, do this.  I said it is good practice and I explained why.  I also stated my position so that anyone else following the thread will know what I think.  I don't just discuss points and argue my position for the one person I am conversing with directly at the time.  There are over one-thousand members of this list.  I am writing for anyone interested. 
Your reply is almost insulting in this passage:
You are accusing me of having poorly supported or erroneous opinions based on incorrect thought or incorrect facts.  Neither is true and you don't have to be insulting.  You are not the only one who can be angered or offended.  But I control it and don't make things personal.  I would appreciate a little more temperate responses when you disagree and that you consider that what may seem to you like being arbitrary and dictatorial may not be when given a little thought and viewed in the context of discussing matters on the list for the list.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 01:11 PM, Gene wrote:
it's just better in general to use intended commands for their intended purpose and not start using various commands for purposes they weren't intended for. 
Gene,

             Believe it or not your way is not, and never will be, the one, true way.

              I do not, ever, need to be lectured by you about "the intent" of a given command, as I know what they can be appropriately used for, which is very often at distinct variance with your opinion.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: outlook is working again...

 

Hey, keep calm :)
It might does, at least on the other email programs. All that I've said is about Thunderbird. On this program this shortcut seems to don't work and I was just testing it :)
Em 27/12/2018 18:58, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Wait� I�m confused. I thought the way to send emails in outlook was alt s.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Just seeing if CTRL/ALT+S does anything as expected. Let's try it.
No, it doesn't do. All it does is saving the message as a draft.

�


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Em 27/12/2018 03:59, Rosemarie Chavarria escreveu:

I tried alt f-4 and found that it didn't work. Control enter is the right command.

�

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.� I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.� If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi, Gene,

�

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

�

Rosemarie

�

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Since it�s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.� At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures.�You will also likely find other standard�e-mail programs to be similar.�

�

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.� To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

�

To start a new message is control n.� Those are just a few examples.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hello.

I�m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it�s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I�m very familiar with it. I�ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?� I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

�

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with� the processor on this machine.

--
A few words to be cautious of between American and English:
�- momentarily
�- suspenders
�- chips
�- pants
�- jelly
�- pavement
�- vest
�- pint (and gallon)
�- pissed


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Re: Sluggish user experience on Facebook

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

Yes, as sighted obviously do not have this problem, or we would've heard more about by now.

On 12/27/2018 7:49 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
so you're certain it's an NVDA issue rather than a Facebook or browser one?
Best,
Felix

Am Do., 27. Dez. 2018 um 20:43 Uhr schrieb enes sarıbaş
<enes.saribas@gmail.com>:
hi,

This is an NVDA issue which has existed for about a few centuries, which
is also ignored by the devs. This happens not only in facebook, but in
many websites with dynamically changing content, or with dialogues, for
instance, the Oxford scholarship online database my university
subscribes to. This has to do with the way NVDA interacts with the
browser, however a better way was not implemented.

On 12/27/2018 7:29 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi everyone,
is anyone else noticing that when arrowing or otherwise navigating
Facebook's standard view, the interface tends to slow down to a crawl?
In addition, I am experiencing the virtual cursor randomly jumping
back a few lines, resulting in lines being read twice, and random
switches to focus mode.
Are there any known remedies, except of course switching to mobile
view, which is not even recommended to blind users by Facebook itself?
All the best,
Felix



Re: Best Wordprocesor

larry k <sir-laurence@...>
 

there is one program called libreoffice that will read doc files and docx I think.
it’s popular in europe
larry
 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 06:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor
 
Please do not use vulgarity on the list.  The list has over 1000 members and some of them are likely to find such language offensive. 
 
Gene, moderator
From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor
 

You are shit out of luck if you want to do footnotes in a program other than MS Word. The below, though, may be some pages that may help. This will be in markdown, so switch off your text only view.


Re: outlook is working again...

molly the blind tech lover
 

Wait… I’m confused. I thought the way to send emails in outlook was alt s.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Just seeing if CTRL/ALT+S does anything as expected. Let's try it.
No, it doesn't do. All it does is saving the message as a draft.

Em 27/12/2018 03:59, Rosemarie Chavarria escreveu:

I tried alt f-4 and found that it didn't work. Control enter is the right command.

�

�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.� I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.� If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi, Gene,

�

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

�

Rosemarie

�

�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Since it�s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.� At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures.�You will also likely find other standard�e-mail programs to be similar.�

�

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.� To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

�

To start a new message is control n.� Those are just a few examples.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hello.

I�m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it�s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I�m very familiar with it. I�ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?� I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

�

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with� the processor on this machine.

--
A few words to be cautious of between American and English:
�- momentarily
�- suspenders
�- chips
�- pants
�- jelly
�- pavement
�- vest
�- pint (and gallon)
�- pissed


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Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

Will people please check addresses character by character before sending a message if they write or dictate them and not paste them from the address bar.  I see errors in addresses far to often on the lists I follow when people type them.  This link is not correct.  A dash was used before the com.  The address is:
I understand that we live in an era where people write however they wish.  But when writing something where precision matters, a path statement, a web site address, a mathematical formula, the time of an event, it is necessary to check what is written.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

I'm pleased to report that Seonaid Beckwith, creator and owner of the


www.perfect-english-grammar-com


website, following my email, has solved the unlabelled links issue in
the paid section of her site.


Her site is great for learning English, and she's very sensitive to
accessibility, which makes it worth following.


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 27/12/2018 19:54, Mallard ha scritto:
> Hello Gne,
>
>
> Answers to all your questions is Yes. Different browsers (Edge,
> Firefox (several versions), Different computers.
>
> Windows 10, Version 1803, but it started in 1703.
>
>
> I wanted to send you pages, but they all require username and password.
>
>
> However, I've noticed that most of the time they are lists. For
> example, in various sites the issue concerns lists of social media you
> can share stuff on.
>
>
> On another occasion, in
>
>
> www.perfect-english-grammar-com
>
>
> under the paid section called PEG Plus, you have this problem within
> the list of courses.
>
>
> If I come across some site that has free access to something like
> that, I'll post it.
>
>
>
> By the way, I also tried to read the link name with Windows10 OCR, but
> there was nothing to be read.
>
>
> Ciao,
>
> Ollie
>
> ps: In the case of PEG Plus, I reported the issue to the owner of the
> site.
>
>
>
>
>



Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

I'll save this link to give a look on this later. It's nice to know that someone still cares about our accessibility on their work :)
Em 27/12/2018 17:03, Mallard escreveu:

I'm pleased to report that Seonaid Beckwith, creator and owner of the


www.perfect-english-grammar-com


website, following my email, has solved the unlabelled links issue in the paid section of her site.


Her site is great for learning English, and she's very sensitive to accessibility, which makes it worth following.


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 27/12/2018 19:54, Mallard ha scritto:
Hello Gne,


Answers to all your questions is Yes. Different browsers (Edge, Firefox (several versions), Different computers.

Windows 10, Version 1803, but it started in 1703.


I wanted to send you pages, but they all require username and password.


However, I've noticed that most of the time they are lists. For example, in various sites the issue concerns lists of social media you can share stuff on.


On another occasion, in


www.perfect-english-grammar-com


under the paid section called PEG Plus, you have this problem within the list of courses.


If I come across some site that has free access to something like that, I'll post it.



By the way, I also tried to read the link name with Windows10 OCR, but there was nothing to be read.


Ciao,

Ollie

ps: In the case of PEG Plus, I reported the issue to the owner of the site.











Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 01:11 PM, Gene wrote:
it's just better in general to use intended commands for their intended purpose and not start using various commands for purposes they weren't intended for. 
Gene,

             Believe it or not your way is not, and never will be, the one, true way.

              I do not, ever, need to be lectured by you about "the intent" of a given command, as I know what they can be appropriately used for, which is very often at distinct variance with your opinion.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

That would indicate that it is a change made in Firefox that causes NVDA not to see the text on certain links.  Whether that is something Firefox needs to correct or something NVDA can change to accommodate, the problem appears to be caused by a change in Firefox.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: mk360
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Has I've seen, the problem is present in all versions of NVDA that I tested from Firefox 58 to latest, or in other words, On Firefox quantum with NVDA.
For example, go to http://civil.pjud.cl a spanish site to consult about judicial causes that is not too accessible, but until Firefox 57 the links to consult and delete was read, from Firefox 58 to latest, the 2 links are read only as "Link".

Regards,
mk.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:49 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
If you are talking about something like going to a site that has something like a video to watch on the site and there are links that just say question mark link, I've seen them.  I followed some of them and they are mostly links for sharing whatever it is to places like Facebook or Social Media.  You may be talking about the same thing.  But I don't think that is a problem of NVdA's and I don't know if NVDA can do anything about it.  Whether it might be made to read underlying code in such linkks, I don't know.  I also don't know if that were done, if it would read code elsewhere that wouldn't be desirable.  If that is what you are talking about, further discussion will have to be done by others because it is beyond my technical knowledge. 
 
I generally ignore such links because it appears that they are generally what I said they are and I have no interest in them.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Hello Gne,


Answers to all your questions is Yes. Different browsers (Edge, Firefox
(several versions), Different computers.

Windows 10, Version 1803, but it started in 1703.


I wanted to send you pages, but they all require username and password.


However, I've noticed that most of the time they are lists. For example,
in various sites the issue concerns lists of social media you can share
stuff on.


On another occasion, in


www.perfect-english-grammar-com


under the paid section called PEG Plus, you have this problem within the
list of courses.


If I come across some site that has free access to something like that,
I'll post it.



By the way, I also tried to read the link name with Windows10 OCR, but
there was nothing to be read.


Ciao,

Ollie

ps: In the case of PEG Plus, I reported the issue to the owner of the site.




Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

You said this is an NVDA issue.  have you tried it with other screen-readers?  Version 57 of Firefox isn't too far behind the release of Quantum.  They may have been making some changes leading up to it that causes this problem.  Or they may have changed something unrelated.  Whatever the case, we don't know, based on your description, who is responsible or if NVDA can compensate for it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

hi,

this is also an NVDA issue. This happened since firefox 57. An example:

go to

http://lib.metu.edu.tr

and go to the trial databases heading, which has a few links. Normally, with firefox 56, nvda reads the names of the databases on the links. However, above 57, they are just read as "link".

On 12/27/2018 3:48 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory, or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

 

An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am, particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to all in advance for any assistance that can be given.


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

mk360
 

Has I've seen, the problem is present in all versions of NVDA that I tested from Firefox 58 to latest, or in other words, On Firefox quantum with NVDA.
For example, go to http://civil.pjud.cl a spanish site to consult about judicial causes that is not too accessible, but until Firefox 57 the links to consult and delete was read, from Firefox 58 to latest, the 2 links are read only as "Link".

Regards,
mk.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:49 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
If you are talking about something like going to a site that has something like a video to watch on the site and there are links that just say question mark link, I've seen them.  I followed some of them and they are mostly links for sharing whatever it is to places like Facebook or Social Media.  You may be talking about the same thing.  But I don't think that is a problem of NVdA's and I don't know if NVDA can do anything about it.  Whether it might be made to read underlying code in such linkks, I don't know.  I also don't know if that were done, if it would read code elsewhere that wouldn't be desirable.  If that is what you are talking about, further discussion will have to be done by others because it is beyond my technical knowledge. 
 
I generally ignore such links because it appears that they are generally what I said they are and I have no interest in them.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Hello Gne,


Answers to all your questions is Yes. Different browsers (Edge, Firefox
(several versions), Different computers.

Windows 10, Version 1803, but it started in 1703.


I wanted to send you pages, but they all require username and password.


However, I've noticed that most of the time they are lists. For example,
in various sites the issue concerns lists of social media you can share
stuff on.


On another occasion, in


www.perfect-english-grammar-com


under the paid section called PEG Plus, you have this problem within the
list of courses.


If I come across some site that has free access to something like that,
I'll post it.



By the way, I also tried to read the link name with Windows10 OCR, but
there was nothing to be read.


Ciao,

Ollie

ps: In the case of PEG Plus, I reported the issue to the owner of the site.




Re: Sluggish user experience on Facebook

Felix G.
 

Hi,
so you're certain it's an NVDA issue rather than a Facebook or browser one?
Best,
Felix

Am Do., 27. Dez. 2018 um 20:43 Uhr schrieb enes sarıbaş
<enes.saribas@gmail.com>:


hi,

This is an NVDA issue which has existed for about a few centuries, which
is also ignored by the devs. This happens not only in facebook, but in
many websites with dynamically changing content, or with dialogues, for
instance, the Oxford scholarship online database my university
subscribes to. This has to do with the way NVDA interacts with the
browser, however a better way was not implemented.

On 12/27/2018 7:29 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi everyone,
is anyone else noticing that when arrowing or otherwise navigating
Facebook's standard view, the interface tends to slow down to a crawl?
In addition, I am experiencing the virtual cursor randomly jumping
back a few lines, resulting in lines being read twice, and random
switches to focus mode.
Are there any known remedies, except of course switching to mobile
view, which is not even recommended to blind users by Facebook itself?
All the best,
Felix