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Re: Problem reading HTML file using Internet explorer

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Hmm, so here we have the problem, if its not repeatable with good predictability under known conditions, its going to be a real swine to find it.
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From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem reading HTML file using Internet explorer


Hi!
With Chrome and Firefox I find that it occurs very rarely.
Best,
Felix

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I have seen issues like this in Firefox/waterfox, and really there seems to
be no repeatability of when and why it occurs.

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Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 8:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Problem reading HTML file using Internet explorer


Hi all
I sometimes read matireal of technology, such as software user guide in html
format, then practice on the software along with the guide. When do this
with NVDA, if I switch focus to other program to do something, then switch
back to the browser, focus usually not position at the place where I left it
so I must find that position to continue reading.
Using Windows 10, NVDA 2018.4, Internet Explorer version 11. Anyone has same
problem, and know how to solve? Please help me. I also have Microsoft Edge,
Mozilla Firefox, and Google Chrome on my laptop so I could switch to those
browser if needed.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong
----------------
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The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
Tel: +8428 7302-4488
E-mail: info@saomaicenter.org; tech@saomaicenter.org
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Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org Mobile
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Re: Moderation

Felix G.
 

Hi,
regarding those browser-related threads, there is no impatience
involved, at least on my part. The reason why I often choose to write
here rather than on Github is that these issues are not strictly bugs
but more like design decisions. Also, with the number of open Github
issues, it feels like putting a note on a wall already plastered with
notes, while writing on list feels more like joining some people in a
room for discussion.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 28. Dez. 2018 um 10:40 Uhr schrieb Brian's Mail list account
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And the same to you. I have to say, in the main most people here are polite.
It is often the case that people are not writing in their mother language
and so often misunderstandings do occur.

However over the holidays, no serious issues seem to have happened.

I think people need to be patient about getting a reply to something
complex as only a few developers look in here and if you have a serious
concern, considering raising an issue on github or just pos the concerns to
the dev list. The current thread on weird browser effects on some web sites
seems to be one that falls into this category.
Brian

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From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 12:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] Moderation


Hello,

First, here's hoping that you all have had a lovely Christmas if you
celebrate it. Thank you for making this community what it continues to be.

Second, and in a more serious manner, I would like to invite anyone and
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comments and suggestions. Also, with the growing membership in this group,
I am considering the possibility of adding on another moderator to this
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Re: Problem reading HTML file using Internet explorer

Felix G.
 

Hi!
With Chrome and Firefox I find that it occurs very rarely.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 28. Dez. 2018 um 10:42 Uhr schrieb Brian's Mail list account
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I have seen issues like this in Firefox/waterfox, and really there seems to
be no repeatability of when and why it occurs.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dang Manh Cuong" <dangmanhcuong@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 8:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Problem reading HTML file using Internet explorer


Hi all
I sometimes read matireal of technology, such as software user guide in html
format, then practice on the software along with the guide. When do this
with NVDA, if I switch focus to other program to do something, then switch
back to the browser, focus usually not position at the place where I left it
so I must find that position to continue reading.
Using Windows 10, NVDA 2018.4, Internet Explorer version 11. Anyone has same
problem, and know how to solve? Please help me. I also have Microsoft Edge,
Mozilla Firefox, and Google Chrome on my laptop so I could switch to those
browser if needed.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong
----------------
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The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
Tel: +8428 7302-4488
E-mail: info@saomaicenter.org; tech@saomaicenter.org
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org Mobile
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Skype name: dangmanhcuong
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Re: Problem reading HTML file using Internet explorer

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I have seen issues like this in Firefox/waterfox, and really there seems to be no repeatability of when and why it occurs.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dang Manh Cuong" <dangmanhcuong@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 8:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Problem reading HTML file using Internet explorer


Hi all
I sometimes read matireal of technology, such as software user guide in html format, then practice on the software along with the guide. When do this with NVDA, if I switch focus to other program to do something, then switch back to the browser, focus usually not position at the place where I left it so I must find that position to continue reading.
Using Windows 10, NVDA 2018.4, Internet Explorer version 11. Anyone has same problem, and know how to solve? Please help me. I also have Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox, and Google Chrome on my laptop so I could switch to those browser if needed.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong
----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
Tel: +8428 7302-4488
E-mail: info@saomaicenter.org; tech@saomaicenter.org
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org Mobile
/ Zalo: +84 902-572-300
E-mail: dangmanhcuong@gmail.com; cuong@saomaicenter.org
Skype name: dangmanhcuong
facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
Twitter: @ManhCuongTech
NVDA Certified Expert: https://certification.nvaccess.org/


Re: Moderation

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And the same to you. I have to say, in the main most people here are polite. It is often the case that people are not writing in their mother language and so often misunderstandings do occur.

However over the holidays, no serious issues seem to have happened.

I think people need to be patient about getting a reply to something complex as only a few developers look in here and if you have a serious concern, considering raising an issue on github or just pos the concerns to the dev list. The current thread on weird browser effects on some web sites seems to be one that falls into this category.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 12:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] Moderation


Hello,

First, here's hoping that you all have had a lovely Christmas if you
celebrate it. Thank you for making this community what it continues to be.

Second, and in a more serious manner, I would like to invite anyone and
everyone who has input, suggestions, or complaints with the way that this
list is moderated to send me an e-mail at nimerjaber1@gmail.com with your
comments and suggestions. Also, with the growing membership in this group,
I am considering the possibility of adding on another moderator to this
group. If you are interested in being considered or would like to nominate
someone, please e-mail me at nimerjaber1@gmail.com with those suggestions
as well.

Thanks everyone.

--
Cordially,

Nimer Jaber

Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains
some information about the email you have just read and all
attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and
methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk.

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.

Registered Linux User 529141.
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To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
and above, please click here:
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Re: Sluggish user experience on Facebook

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To be fair, this very much depends on how the browser reveals things to nvda and not all browsers are the same.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sluggish user experience on Facebook


hi,

This is an NVDA issue which has existed for about a few centuries, which is also ignored by the devs. This happens not only in facebook, but in many websites with dynamically changing content, or with dialogues, for instance, the Oxford scholarship online database my university subscribes to. This has to do with the way NVDA interacts with the browser, however a better way was not implemented.

On 12/27/2018 7:29 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi everyone,
is anyone else noticing that when arrowing or otherwise navigating
Facebook's standard view, the interface tends to slow down to a crawl?
In addition, I am experiencing the virtual cursor randomly jumping
back a few lines, resulting in lines being read twice, and random
switches to focus mode.
Are there any known remedies, except of course switching to mobile
view, which is not even recommended to blind users by Facebook itself?
All the best,
Felix


Re: Sluggish user experience on Facebook

Felix G.
 

Hello Enes and list,
sorry for my potentially confusing remark. I was not contrasting our
user experience with that of sighted users. Rather, I was implying
that some peculiarity of Facebook or the affected browsers might give
screen readers in general a hard time, and not just NVDA specifically.
So I did some testing, that is, I performed some comparative screen
reader theology, with the following results:
The late Window-Eyes, digital peace be upon it, occupies the slow end
of the speed scale combined with the high end of the accuracy scale.
You tend to get to wait quite some time for an answer, but when that
answer finally arrives, it is accurate to the degree of fully
supporting the weight of subsequent interactions.
JAWS seems to take quite the opposite approach, erring, when it does,
in favor of speed. There is the occasional unsolicited switch to focus
mode, as well as the occasional double-speaking of text, but the
snappy experience minimizes these frustrations.
NVDA currently takes what I call, from my perspective, the unfortunate
middle ground of this tradeoff. Applying this observation to Facebook,
it means that the experience is slow enough to feel sluggish, and just
unpredictable enough to feel nondeterministic as well. One can clearly
spot all the good intentions with which this particular road to hell
has been paved, so I wouldn't consider this proof that anything is
being consciously ignored, but the result, at least for me, combines
the worst of both worlds enough to make me switch screen readers when
using Facebook.
If, as Enes suggests, this observation applies to a broader category
of websites of which Facebook is just one prominent example, the
approach taken by NVDA in interacting with browsers deserves
reconsideration. Given the dynamic nature of todays's web, I strongly
suggest favoring speed over complete consistency. Selectively
decoupling focus from virtual cursor position, and re-coupling them on
demand, may be an effective first step in the right direction, as some
isolated speed cost when activating an element is allowable while a
permanent speed cost while navigating is clearly not.
All the best,
Felix

Am Do., 27. Dez. 2018 um 22:28 Uhr schrieb enes sarıbaş
<enes.saribas@gmail.com>:


hi,

Yes, as sighted obviously do not have this problem, or we would've heard
more about by now.

On 12/27/2018 7:49 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
so you're certain it's an NVDA issue rather than a Facebook or browser one?
Best,
Felix

Am Do., 27. Dez. 2018 um 20:43 Uhr schrieb enes sarıbaş
<enes.saribas@gmail.com>:
hi,

This is an NVDA issue which has existed for about a few centuries, which
is also ignored by the devs. This happens not only in facebook, but in
many websites with dynamically changing content, or with dialogues, for
instance, the Oxford scholarship online database my university
subscribes to. This has to do with the way NVDA interacts with the
browser, however a better way was not implemented.

On 12/27/2018 7:29 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi everyone,
is anyone else noticing that when arrowing or otherwise navigating
Facebook's standard view, the interface tends to slow down to a crawl?
In addition, I am experiencing the virtual cursor randomly jumping
back a few lines, resulting in lines being read twice, and random
switches to focus mode.
Are there any known remedies, except of course switching to mobile
view, which is not even recommended to blind users by Facebook itself?
All the best,
Felix




Re: accessible drive partitioning software

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Yes me too. Not found any. It would seem to me that what was needed here was a script designer so that the system you use, which of course has to access the volume outside of a running windows system, can then carry out the instructions in that script then reboot windows.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] accessible drive partitioning software


Good afternoon,

Been wrestling with this one for a while,

Does anyone know of any accessible drive partitioning software that is non
destructive?

Thanks

Rich






Re: Microsoft messes up again with an update.

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Roll back as it normally creates a restore point and one can do this.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft messes up again with an update.


My laptop will no longer send Braille to my Focus 40 via Bluetooth. Things were working fine when the machine started
to misbehave. After a cold boot it wouldn't give me anything. I think the update destroyed the pairing between the
computer and the Focus 40. Microsoft did the same thing a few weeks ago.

John

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Re: Graphics that contain links

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Are you saying this is an html email then?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links


I can’t find any button. I am using Windows mail

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 27 December 2018 14:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

Look for the sign button rather than a graphic, it works fine



From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 27 December 2018 12:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Re: Graphics that contain links

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Do they have a contact email. It seems like they may have made a simple error here and need to be alerted to it.
Its probably been created by a piece of software I suspect.

I've come across this sort of thing. Sometimes it will click with nvda keypad enter but not always.
I'm sure somebody more knowledgeable might be able to explain but email today is coming in in fits and starts and out of time order, so apologies if somebody else has replied with more advice the same as this.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links


There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Problem reading HTML file using Internet explorer

 

Hi all
I sometimes read matireal of technology, such as software user guide in html format, then practice on the software along with the guide. When do this with NVDA, if I switch focus to other program to do something, then switch back to the browser, focus usually not position at the place where I left it so I must find that position to continue reading.
Using Windows 10, NVDA 2018.4, Internet Explorer version 11. Anyone has same problem, and know how to solve? Please help me. I also have Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox, and Google Chrome on my laptop so I could switch to those browser if needed.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong
----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: info@...; tech@...
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
 Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org  Mobile
/ Zalo: +84 902-572-300
 E-mail: dangmanhcuong@...; cuong@...
 Skype name: dangmanhcuong
 facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
 Twitter: @ManhCuongTech
NVDA Certified Expert: https://certification.nvaccess.org/


Re: Best Wordprocesor

 

How do I enable experimental UIA support?

Op 28-12-2018 om 06:53 schreef David Goldfield:

Hi.

First, I admit that my computer is most definitely not the fastest machine around. In my case, there is definite sluggishness when using NVDA with Microsoft Word 365. This is not only true with startup, which isn't all that bad, but it particularly manifests itself when moving the cursor to edit or review text. In my case, there is a noticeable delay which has pretty much caused me to avoid using NVDA with Word on this machine until version 2018.4 introduced experimental UIA support. Minimizing the window and putting Word into draft mode helps to speed things up somewhat. Enabling the experimental UIA support has made quite a difference for me with 2018.4 and I can now use Word with a reasonable response time when navigating text with arrow keys. Someone on another list also reported the same issue. I pretty much did much of my word processing with LibreOffice for certain tasks, which behaves normally. On faster machines which I use at work, however, navigating in Word is responsive and navigation behaves as expected.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 12/26/2018 6:38 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Kelby,

           Thank you for your reply to my query.  I am surprised you're having issues with sluggishness with Word 2016 (other than startup being slow).  I would try uninstalling and reinstalling before jumping ship, particularly since Word really is the de facto standard.

           I don't think you're going to find any other major word processor that's any less cluttered.  It's a consequence of feature bloat, plain and simple.  

           Word is, by far, the best supported word processor when it comes to screen readers.

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Best Wordprocesor

David Goldfield
 

Hi.

First, I admit that my computer is most definitely not the fastest machine around. In my case, there is definite sluggishness when using NVDA with Microsoft Word 365. This is not only true with startup, which isn't all that bad, but it particularly manifests itself when moving the cursor to edit or review text. In my case, there is a noticeable delay which has pretty much caused me to avoid using NVDA with Word on this machine until version 2018.4 introduced experimental UIA support. Minimizing the window and putting Word into draft mode helps to speed things up somewhat. Enabling the experimental UIA support has made quite a difference for me with 2018.4 and I can now use Word with a reasonable response time when navigating text with arrow keys. Someone on another list also reported the same issue. I pretty much did much of my word processing with LibreOffice for certain tasks, which behaves normally. On faster machines which I use at work, however, navigating in Word is responsive and navigation behaves as expected.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 12/26/2018 6:38 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Kelby,

           Thank you for your reply to my query.  I am surprised you're having issues with sluggishness with Word 2016 (other than startup being slow).  I would try uninstalling and reinstalling before jumping ship, particularly since Word really is the de facto standard.

           I don't think you're going to find any other major word processor that's any less cluttered.  It's a consequence of feature bloat, plain and simple.  

           Word is, by far, the best supported word processor when it comes to screen readers.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: NVDA going silent.

David Goldfield
 

In Chrome, there is a setting to block pop-ups which should be on by default. It might be helpful to access your Chrome settings just to ensure that the setting is set to blocking popups.


1. When in Chrome, press alt-F for the Chrome menu.

2. Press S for Settings.

3. Activate the Advanced button.

4. Activate the Content Settings button.

5. Look for the Popup button or you could press insert-ctrl-F to bring up the NVDA find dialog and type the word "pop" without the quotes. Make sure that it is set to "blocked."

If popups still occur could you tell us a little more about the type of pages which are appearing? Does this behavior happen when you're viewing specific sites?

If the problem occurs more often than not I do think that it would be very good to perform a scan of your system to see if any malware has been detected. Which antivirus or antimalware programs do you use? For a second opinion I'd recommend installing the free version of MalwareBytes to see if it detects anything.



David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 12/27/2018 9:11 PM, Gene wrote:
I seem to recall we may have discussed popups with Chrome before.  I think its adware.  I don't recall hearing about what you are discussing in Chrome in cases other than adware.
 
If you don't want to investigate that problem, then it would be a good good idea to start using Firefox.  If you can use Internet Explorer and if it works properly on the sites you want to use, you may want to just use it for now, but over time, Internet Explorer will work with increasingly fewer sites.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
From: MAX
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

It happened just now.  When I pressed nvda key + N the menu came up.  I arrowed around the menu and speech came back on.  So there is another way to restore it.  The two programs I had running were outlook 2013 and internet explorer.  Chrome has become unusable because of the popups Which are greater in number every time I open it.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

We don't know if there is a problem with speech or if the program stops running.  You can't assume that just because speech stops, that the problem is with speech.  When this happens, run Narrator or another screen-reader.  Then try opening the NVDA menu.  Does the menu open?  If so, the problem has something to do with speech while NVDA is running.  It may be a synthesizer problem or it may be an NVDA problem.  If the menu doesn't open, then NVDA is no longer running which is an entirely different problem. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

I don't understand what you mean by sleep mode.  I turned off character speak using nvda key 2 but it didn't keep it from going into its silent mode.  It's in it right now.  I hope this message will make sense as I am not getting any beeping feedback.  Or reading of lines as I up and down arrow.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

Actually if you toggle it to sleep mode and turn off typing letters its actually able to work for you if you run long passages as long as you don't hit control



On 12/26/2018 2:47 PM, MAX wrote:
> I got a wry smile out of the recent thread from people who wanted to
> keep NVDA from speaking.  It does that all the time to me although I
> don't want it too. I have found that if I am running two or more
> programs in windows
> 10 that at some random time after starting the second program that
> NVDA will go silent.  No amount of tabbing or arrowing will cure its case of
> laryngitis.   So far the only way I can restore its voice is to press
> control alt N to restart it.  Is there a quicker way to start it
> talking again?
>
>
> 73 (Regards).
>
> Max.  K 4 O DS.
>
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Re: NVDA going silent.

Gene
 

I seem to recall we may have discussed popups with Chrome before.  I think its adware.  I don't recall hearing about what you are discussing in Chrome in cases other than adware.
 
If you don't want to investigate that problem, then it would be a good good idea to start using Firefox.  If you can use Internet Explorer and if it works properly on the sites you want to use, you may want to just use it for now, but over time, Internet Explorer will work with increasingly fewer sites.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: MAX
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

It happened just now.  When I pressed nvda key + N the menu came up.  I arrowed around the menu and speech came back on.  So there is another way to restore it.  The two programs I had running were outlook 2013 and internet explorer.  Chrome has become unusable because of the popups Which are greater in number every time I open it.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

We don't know if there is a problem with speech or if the program stops running.  You can't assume that just because speech stops, that the problem is with speech.  When this happens, run Narrator or another screen-reader.  Then try opening the NVDA menu.  Does the menu open?  If so, the problem has something to do with speech while NVDA is running.  It may be a synthesizer problem or it may be an NVDA problem.  If the menu doesn't open, then NVDA is no longer running which is an entirely different problem. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

I don't understand what you mean by sleep mode.  I turned off character speak using nvda key 2 but it didn't keep it from going into its silent mode.  It's in it right now.  I hope this message will make sense as I am not getting any beeping feedback.  Or reading of lines as I up and down arrow.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

Actually if you toggle it to sleep mode and turn off typing letters its actually able to work for you if you run long passages as long as you don't hit control



On 12/26/2018 2:47 PM, MAX wrote:
> I got a wry smile out of the recent thread from people who wanted to
> keep NVDA from speaking.  It does that all the time to me although I
> don't want it too. I have found that if I am running two or more
> programs in windows
> 10 that at some random time after starting the second program that
> NVDA will go silent.  No amount of tabbing or arrowing will cure its case of
> laryngitis.   So far the only way I can restore its voice is to press
> control alt N to restart it.  Is there a quicker way to start it
> talking again?
>
>
> 73 (Regards).
>
> Max.  K 4 O DS.
>
> I've Never Lost the Wonder.
>
> Email: max@...
>
> Vacuum Tube  Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
> Transistor site: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/funwithtransistors/
> Woodworking site:
> http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/Woodworking/wwindex.h
> tml Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com
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Re: NVDA going silent.

MAX <max@...>
 

It happened just now.  When I pressed nvda key + N the menu came up.  I arrowed around the menu and speech came back on.  So there is another way to restore it.  The two programs I had running were outlook 2013 and internet explorer.  Chrome has become unusable because of the popups Which are greater in number every time I open it.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

We don't know if there is a problem with speech or if the program stops running.  You can't assume that just because speech stops, that the problem is with speech.  When this happens, run Narrator or another screen-reader.  Then try opening the NVDA menu.  Does the menu open?  If so, the problem has something to do with speech while NVDA is running.  It may be a synthesizer problem or it may be an NVDA problem.  If the menu doesn't open, then NVDA is no longer running which is an entirely different problem. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

I don't understand what you mean by sleep mode.  I turned off character speak using nvda key 2 but it didn't keep it from going into its silent mode.  It's in it right now.  I hope this message will make sense as I am not getting any beeping feedback.  Or reading of lines as I up and down arrow.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

Actually if you toggle it to sleep mode and turn off typing letters its actually able to work for you if you run long passages as long as you don't hit control



On 12/26/2018 2:47 PM, MAX wrote:
> I got a wry smile out of the recent thread from people who wanted to
> keep NVDA from speaking.  It does that all the time to me although I
> don't want it too. I have found that if I am running two or more
> programs in windows
> 10 that at some random time after starting the second program that
> NVDA will go silent.  No amount of tabbing or arrowing will cure its case of
> laryngitis.   So far the only way I can restore its voice is to press
> control alt N to restart it.  Is there a quicker way to start it
> talking again?
>
>
> 73 (Regards).
>
> Max.  K 4 O DS.
>
> I've Never Lost the Wonder.
>
> Email: max@...
>
> Vacuum Tube  Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
> Transistor site: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/funwithtransistors/
> Woodworking site:
> http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/Woodworking/wwindex.h
> tml Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com
>
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Re: Best Wordprocesor

Jason White
 

If I need a word processor, I generally use Microsoft Word, since I usually have to deal with change tracking and comments. These aren't accessible in LibreOffice yet, unless there has been an update in that area recently.

However, when I'm writing a paper or a series of slides for a presentation, I use a text editor and prepare te documents either in Markdown for conversion with Pandoc, or in LaTeX. I occasionally edit HTML as well. For anything complex (a paper, for example), LaTeX is my first choice. I use Git to maintain it under revision control, and Emacs as my text editor. All of this works under Linux or Windows. On the Mac, TextMate seems to be the most accessible text editor at the moment. Notepad++ is another option with Windows and NVDA, though it isn't my first preference.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:37 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

In light of the confirmation that certain features of LibreOffice are inaccessible, I'd be interested to know what everyone's vaorite word processing application is. i mostly use Word, but am coming to really hate its sluggishness and clutter and am hoping to find a different one. It looks like LibreOffice and OpenOffice both have accessibility issues that make them unsuitable for my work environment.

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Kelby Carlson


Re: Microsoft messes up again with an update.

 

Hi,
I'm thinking this has to do with the driver rather than Windows Update
breaking things. However, the crystal ball shows a future where bugs related
to Vispero (formerly VFO, formerly Freedom Scientific) drivers would be gone
for the most part.
Cheers,
joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Diane
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft messes up again with an update.

Every time since the beginning of Jaws 18, my focus 40 has stopped working
with every update. I don't think it's bluetooth pairing, although it seems
like it. There was only one Jaws update that this didn't happen. It
happend with this one, though. I went through a complicated thing before by

deleting the setting in my explore my settings folder. That worked for the

other updates. This time I messed up when it asked me if I wanted to save
the settings in Jaws. I couldn't thin of what to do, so I turned on NVDA
after I uninstalled Jaws 2019. When I started the re-install of 2019, and
it asked me about sharing the user settings I said no instead of yes. It
asked for doing the wizard again, of course, when I restarted Jaws and I
went through the wizard like I was supposed to do. My focus 40 works fine,
now. Maybe you could try that. I think it's much simpler than the stuff I
did with the other updates. I used NVDA to start it this time, but I used
narrator once before way last year when I had to uninstall Jaws and re-do it
for something. Even though I fixed the wizard, I had to re-add the Brl
display again. Like I said, it works fine now.

I hop this helps. Didn't mean to write a novel but I wanted to explain
everything so it could be understood because I went through a lot of
frustration with it. You have to go in the advanced in the Brl settings in
Jaws because the firmness is set to something else and the placement thing
is set to the default. I like it on none because I just want to read my
text and not have signs of things on the left or right. That's all I had to
do afterwords and it works good again. It's a pain in the neck to do it
after every Jaws update and I wish somebody knew the reason but, Oh well.

God bless.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:58 AM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft messes up again with an update.


My laptop will no longer send Braille to my Focus 40 via Bluetooth. Things
were working fine when the machine started
to misbehave. After a cold boot it wouldn't give me anything. I think the
update destroyed the pairing between the
computer and the Focus 40. Microsoft did the same thing a few weeks ago.

John

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