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Re: A couple of small annoyances.

MAX <max@...>
 

I’m sorry for using so much bandwidth.  I think I have tamed this windows machine and have established chrome as my default browser.  The nvda help files work fine when used with chrome.  I don’t even have to move from the bullet to the text to make the link work.  I gather from the conversation that many other voice synthesizers  will work with nvda.  Is there a website that lists them.  It would be nice if they had a try before you buy option.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A couple of small annoyances.

 

I don't use Windows 10 which it appears you are.  Others can explain the procedure. 

 

As far as source is concerned, try sorce, with a c, though I doubt that will work.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:36 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A couple of small annoyances.

 

Source seems to be the only word of that general pronunciation that it messed up.  It does alright with horse.  As my last message I found that edge is still my default browser.  Short between the head sets.  Chrome has a big button labeled make this your default browser but Microsoft must have written an override.  How do I make chrome the default browser?

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A couple of small annoyances.

 

Screen-reader designers shouldn't make editorial decisions about what a screen-reader reads that a program displays.  Unless this content isn't seen by sighted people, Windows should read it. 

 

The ispronounciation of source is the result of the synthesizer you are using and not NVDA.  Are you saying it mispronounces that sound in general or just in the word source?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:07 PM

To: NVDA

Subject: [nvda] A couple of small annoyances.

 

I recognize that these are small things that the developers may not think
are important enough to fix.  Here goes anyway.  When I am opening a file
in word I press control O and then tab twice.  Nvda says recently opened
files.  You haven't opened any files recently.  This was not unexpected the
first time I opened a file after installing nvda.  However, I use word
every day and the message continues.  At first it was a laugh, then a smile
and now it's I wish it wouldn't do that.  Another thing is the
pronunciation   of s o u r c e.  In the united states source rhymes with
horse not with farce as nvda pronounces it.  I have tried to fix it in the
dictionary but when I replace the h in horse with an s it goes back to the
rhyme with farce.   Well, I guess that's just the way it is.


73 (Regards).

Max.  K 4 O DS.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Email: max@...

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Transistor site: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/funwithtransistors/
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Re: A couple of small annoyances.

Gene
 

I don't use Windows 10 which it appears you are.  Others can explain the procedure. 
 
As far as source is concerned, try sorce, with a c, though I doubt that will work.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: MAX
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A couple of small annoyances.

Source seems to be the only word of that general pronunciation that it messed up.  It does alright with horse.  As my last message I found that edge is still my default browser.  Short between the head sets.  Chrome has a big button labeled make this your default browser but Microsoft must have written an override.  How do I make chrome the default browser?

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A couple of small annoyances.

 

Screen-reader designers shouldn't make editorial decisions about what a screen-reader reads that a program displays.  Unless this content isn't seen by sighted people, Windows should read it. 

 

The ispronounciation of source is the result of the synthesizer you are using and not NVDA.  Are you saying it mispronounces that sound in general or just in the word source?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:07 PM

To: NVDA

Subject: [nvda] A couple of small annoyances.

 

I recognize that these are small things that the developers may not think
are important enough to fix.  Here goes anyway.  When I am opening a file
in word I press control O and then tab twice.  Nvda says recently opened
files.  You haven't opened any files recently.  This was not unexpected the
first time I opened a file after installing nvda.  However, I use word
every day and the message continues.  At first it was a laugh, then a smile
and now it's I wish it wouldn't do that.  Another thing is the
pronunciation   of s o u r c e.  In the united states source rhymes with
horse not with farce as nvda pronounces it.  I have tried to fix it in the
dictionary but when I replace the h in horse with an s it goes back to the
rhyme with farce.   Well, I guess that's just the way it is.


73 (Regards).

Max.  K 4 O DS.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Email: max@...

Vacuum Tube  Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
Transistor site: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/funwithtransistors/
Woodworking site:
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Re: A couple of small annoyances.

MAX <max@...>
 

Source seems to be the only word of that general pronunciation that it messed up.  It does alright with horse.  As my last message I found that edge is still my default browser.  Short between the head sets.  Chrome has a big button labeled make this your default browser but Microsoft must have written an override.  How do I make chrome the default browser?

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A couple of small annoyances.

 

Screen-reader designers shouldn't make editorial decisions about what a screen-reader reads that a program displays.  Unless this content isn't seen by sighted people, Windows should read it. 

 

The ispronounciation of source is the result of the synthesizer you are using and not NVDA.  Are you saying it mispronounces that sound in general or just in the word source?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:07 PM

To: NVDA

Subject: [nvda] A couple of small annoyances.

 

I recognize that these are small things that the developers may not think
are important enough to fix.  Here goes anyway.  When I am opening a file
in word I press control O and then tab twice.  Nvda says recently opened
files.  You haven't opened any files recently.  This was not unexpected the
first time I opened a file after installing nvda.  However, I use word
every day and the message continues.  At first it was a laugh, then a smile
and now it's I wish it wouldn't do that.  Another thing is the
pronunciation   of s o u r c e.  In the united states source rhymes with
horse not with farce as nvda pronounces it.  I have tried to fix it in the
dictionary but when I replace the h in horse with an s it goes back to the
rhyme with farce.   Well, I guess that's just the way it is.


73 (Regards).

Max.  K 4 O DS.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Email: max@...

Vacuum Tube  Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
Transistor site: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/funwithtransistors/
Woodworking site:
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/Woodworking/wwindex.html
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Re: NVDA 2018.4 beta 2 and Firefox

David Goldfield
 

Brian,

Pressing the letter K or shift-K moves between links but it does not move focus to other controls, such as buttons, edit fields, etc. Pressing tab or shift-tab moves to any actionable element, such as links, buttons, edit fields and other form controls.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/26/2018 5:15 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
This may seem an odd question and I do not know who to aim it at.
What is the difference in link navigation on FF and waterfox between tab and k?
There is  often some discrepancy on getting to the  go to basket link on Amazon where k will work but tab will not
I just want to knoe if its..
a finger trouble at my end
B browser related
c Nvda related!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 5:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4 beta 2 and Firefox


Wow! Just wanted to say what a vast improvement NVDA 2018.4 beta 2 and FF is. Now this is the speed I’ve been waiting for since FF 57 came out almost a year ago. Thanks NV Access. I now use both JAWS and NVDA and JAWS 2019 at the moment was the winner in responsiveness. Now that’s changed in the new beta. Hope this will carry over to 2018.4 final build.

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Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

 

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
somethingn don't read well, if at all. I wish you luck in your IPA class.
And it's not really intended to be read, in the conventional sense of the word.  It's the graphical representation of a sound sequence as close to "literally" as you can get it.  When you "read" something in IPA you're not conventionally reading it like text but creating a sound stream of phonemes based on their IPA symbols.  It's certainly nothing like reading any natural language that has a written form (sign language being one of the natural languages that has no written form, and there are others).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: A couple of small annoyances.

Gene
 

Screen-reader designers shouldn't make editorial decisions about what a screen-reader reads that a program displays.  Unless this content isn't seen by sighted people, Windows should read it. 
 
The ispronounciation of source is the result of the synthesizer you are using and not NVDA.  Are you saying it mispronounces that sound in general or just in the word source?
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: MAX
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:07 PM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] A couple of small annoyances.

I recognize that these are small things that the developers may not think
are important enough to fix.  Here goes anyway.  When I am opening a file
in word I press control O and then tab twice.  Nvda says recently opened
files.  You haven't opened any files recently.  This was not unexpected the
first time I opened a file after installing nvda.  However, I use word
every day and the message continues.  At first it was a laugh, then a smile
and now it's I wish it wouldn't do that.  Another thing is the
pronunciation   of s o u r c e.  In the united states source rhymes with
horse not with farce as nvda pronounces it.  I have tried to fix it in the
dictionary but when I replace the h in horse with an s it goes back to the
rhyme with farce.   Well, I guess that's just the way it is.


73 (Regards).

Max.  K 4 O DS.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Email: max@...

Vacuum Tube  Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
Transistor site: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/funwithtransistors/
Woodworking site:
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/Woodworking/wwindex.html
Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com

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Re: some unsolved problems about NVDA

Gene
 

Firefox hasn't done away with the menu.  press f11 and the menus should return.  when menus disappear from a program, its usually because it is set for full screen, which is not the same as maximized.  Full screen causes the menus not to appear because the content window is using the full screen.  F11 is the usual toggle short cut key for full screen.
 
Popups are likely the result of adware.
 
Does tabbing also solve the link activation problem?  If you can't activate a link, tab or shift tab away from it, then tab to be properly on the link.  Using the arrow keys may not place you at the right part of the link.  Tab moves you forward to every link and control on a web page and shift tab moves you backward.  Those are Windows commands and it can be used with or without a screen-reader.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: MAX
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] some unsolved problems about NVDA

I wish to thank everyone who responded to my question.  The major part of the problem turned out to be MS edge.  I had stopped using Google Chrome when it started giving me pop up advertising I didn’t want.  I switched back to it and the nvda help works fine and I am not getting pop ups.  If I start getting them again I’ll be back for help with the problem.  I have tried fire fox but I can’t find the menu.  It seems as if they have done away with it.  The other part of the problem was solved by using the right arrow to get off of the bullet.  I looked at the source code and I see they are being generated by ul in html code.  What happens if you put the li token inside of the anchor?  I have left off the less than and greater than symbols in case some have their email set to recognize html code.

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some unsolved problems about NVDA

 

Theres actually a add-on for visual studio

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/visualStudio.en.html

 

maybe that will help you 😃

 

 

 

From: Raha Tehrani
Sent: 25 November 2018 16:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] some unsolved problems about NVDA

 

Dear all.

as you all know, NVDA 2018.4 is on the way. at the moment, the

developers' version is available to check for probable problems.

there's a problem which I have seen with different versions of NVDA.

it won't say anything in Visual Basic in Microsoft visual studio. I

have tried it on Microsoft visual studio 2010. it's fine with the

design area. but it keeps being completely silent while the text

editor area is on the foreground. I have no account on Github. but if

you have one, please let them know about this very significant

problem, so that it can be fixed in the next release. it's kind of

important. because you can't simply edit what you write within the

text-editing environment. as a result, programming gets difficult on

visual basic in microsoft visual studio 2010, using NVDA. please do

tell the NVAccess team about this major problem. note: this is not the

case with JAWS. it's fine with VB in MS Visual Studio 2010. you can

easily move with design and text-editing area with jaws. therefore,

you can easily edit what you've written in the text editor

environment.

 

let's keep in mind, this is not the only case.

NVDA crashes as you let it get updated out of addon updator but

mannually restart it.

as you know, while using addon updater, it lets you know when there

are addons to update, after installing, NVDA asks you to let it

restart. if you choose yes, NVDA will restart, but after rebooting,

you will see a couple of NVDAs on the system tray. if you press enter

on one of them it will disappear. if you say no, and then you will

mannually exit and reload NVDA, it will crash after a few seconds, and

won't reload unless you sign out and sign in again.

I should mention that all these cases have taken place in windows 10

18.9 64 bit latest update.

thanks again.

take care.

 

 

 


Re: A couple of small annoyances.

 

Hi,
Regarding pronunciation, most of this has to do with the speech synthesizer
in use. Different synthesizers have different rules about text processing,
and I'm thinking this might be at play here. To confirm this, try using a
different speech synthesizer and see if it too pronounces the word
incorrectly.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of MAX
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 10:08 AM
To: NVDA <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] A couple of small annoyances.

I recognize that these are small things that the developers may not think
are important enough to fix. Here goes anyway. When I am opening a file in
word I press control O and then tab twice. Nvda says recently opened files.
You haven't opened any files recently. This was not unexpected the first
time I opened a file after installing nvda. However, I use word every day
and the message continues. At first it was a laugh, then a smile and now
it's I wish it wouldn't do that. Another thing is the
pronunciation of s o u r c e. In the united states source rhymes with
horse not with farce as nvda pronounces it. I have tried to fix it in the
dictionary but when I replace the h in horse with an s it goes back to the
rhyme with farce. Well, I guess that's just the way it is.


73 (Regards).

Max. K 4 O DS.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Email: max@maxsmusicplace.com

Vacuum Tube Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
Transistor site: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/funwithtransistors/
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Re: some unsolved problems about NVDA

MAX <max@...>
 

Sorry I replied to the wrong message.  The subject line for my thank you message should have been need help with help.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of MAX
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 11:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some unsolved problems about NVDA

 

I wish to thank everyone who responded to my question.  The major part of the problem turned out to be MS edge.  I had stopped using Google Chrome when it started giving me pop up advertising I didn’t want.  I switched back to it and the nvda help works fine and I am not getting pop ups.  If I start getting them again I’ll be back for help with the problem.  I have tried fire fox but I can’t find the menu.  It seems as if they have done away with it.  The other part of the problem was solved by using the right arrow to get off of the bullet.  I looked at the source code and I see they are being generated by ul in html code.  What happens if you put the li token inside of the anchor?  I have left off the less than and greater than symbols in case some have their email set to recognize html code.

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some unsolved problems about NVDA

 

Theres actually a add-on for visual studio

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/visualStudio.en.html

 

maybe that will help you 😃

 

 

 

From: Raha Tehrani
Sent: 25 November 2018 16:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] some unsolved problems about NVDA

 

Dear all.

as you all know, NVDA 2018.4 is on the way. at the moment, the

developers' version is available to check for probable problems.

there's a problem which I have seen with different versions of NVDA.

it won't say anything in Visual Basic in Microsoft visual studio. I

have tried it on Microsoft visual studio 2010. it's fine with the

design area. but it keeps being completely silent while the text

editor area is on the foreground. I have no account on Github. but if

you have one, please let them know about this very significant

problem, so that it can be fixed in the next release. it's kind of

important. because you can't simply edit what you write within the

text-editing environment. as a result, programming gets difficult on

visual basic in microsoft visual studio 2010, using NVDA. please do

tell the NVAccess team about this major problem. note: this is not the

case with JAWS. it's fine with VB in MS Visual Studio 2010. you can

easily move with design and text-editing area with jaws. therefore,

you can easily edit what you've written in the text editor

environment.

 

let's keep in mind, this is not the only case.

NVDA crashes as you let it get updated out of addon updator but

mannually restart it.

as you know, while using addon updater, it lets you know when there

are addons to update, after installing, NVDA asks you to let it

restart. if you choose yes, NVDA will restart, but after rebooting,

you will see a couple of NVDAs on the system tray. if you press enter

on one of them it will disappear. if you say no, and then you will

mannually exit and reload NVDA, it will crash after a few seconds, and

won't reload unless you sign out and sign in again.

I should mention that all these cases have taken place in windows 10

18.9 64 bit latest update.

thanks again.

take care.

 

 

 


A couple of small annoyances.

MAX <max@...>
 

I recognize that these are small things that the developers may not think
are important enough to fix. Here goes anyway. When I am opening a file
in word I press control O and then tab twice. Nvda says recently opened
files. You haven't opened any files recently. This was not unexpected the
first time I opened a file after installing nvda. However, I use word
every day and the message continues. At first it was a laugh, then a smile
and now it's I wish it wouldn't do that. Another thing is the
pronunciation of s o u r c e. In the united states source rhymes with
horse not with farce as nvda pronounces it. I have tried to fix it in the
dictionary but when I replace the h in horse with an s it goes back to the
rhyme with farce. Well, I guess that's just the way it is.


73 (Regards).

Max. K 4 O DS.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Email: max@maxsmusicplace.com

Vacuum Tube Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
Transistor site: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/funwithtransistors/
Woodworking site:
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/Woodworking/wwindex.html
Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com

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Re: some unsolved problems about NVDA

MAX <max@...>
 

I wish to thank everyone who responded to my question.  The major part of the problem turned out to be MS edge.  I had stopped using Google Chrome when it started giving me pop up advertising I didn’t want.  I switched back to it and the nvda help works fine and I am not getting pop ups.  If I start getting them again I’ll be back for help with the problem.  I have tried fire fox but I can’t find the menu.  It seems as if they have done away with it.  The other part of the problem was solved by using the right arrow to get off of the bullet.  I looked at the source code and I see they are being generated by ul in html code.  What happens if you put the li token inside of the anchor?  I have left off the less than and greater than symbols in case some have their email set to recognize html code.

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some unsolved problems about NVDA

 

Theres actually a add-on for visual studio

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/visualStudio.en.html

 

maybe that will help you 😃

 

 

 

From: Raha Tehrani
Sent: 25 November 2018 16:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] some unsolved problems about NVDA

 

Dear all.

as you all know, NVDA 2018.4 is on the way. at the moment, the

developers' version is available to check for probable problems.

there's a problem which I have seen with different versions of NVDA.

it won't say anything in Visual Basic in Microsoft visual studio. I

have tried it on Microsoft visual studio 2010. it's fine with the

design area. but it keeps being completely silent while the text

editor area is on the foreground. I have no account on Github. but if

you have one, please let them know about this very significant

problem, so that it can be fixed in the next release. it's kind of

important. because you can't simply edit what you write within the

text-editing environment. as a result, programming gets difficult on

visual basic in microsoft visual studio 2010, using NVDA. please do

tell the NVAccess team about this major problem. note: this is not the

case with JAWS. it's fine with VB in MS Visual Studio 2010. you can

easily move with design and text-editing area with jaws. therefore,

you can easily edit what you've written in the text editor

environment.

 

let's keep in mind, this is not the only case.

NVDA crashes as you let it get updated out of addon updator but

mannually restart it.

as you know, while using addon updater, it lets you know when there

are addons to update, after installing, NVDA asks you to let it

restart. if you choose yes, NVDA will restart, but after rebooting,

you will see a couple of NVDAs on the system tray. if you press enter

on one of them it will disappear. if you say no, and then you will

mannually exit and reload NVDA, it will crash after a few seconds, and

won't reload unless you sign out and sign in again.

I should mention that all these cases have taken place in windows 10

18.9 64 bit latest update.

thanks again.

take care.

 

 

 


Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yuck! Don't remind me of IPA. I took a class in ita while ago I used a different keyboard that handled unicode utf8 and read char by char, but yeah. you are right, somethingn don't read well, if at all. I wish you luck in your IPA class.

On 26 Nov 2018, at 7:53, Brian Vogel wrote:

enes,

         What font are they using for the IPA?  There was a recent discussion of this in the JAWS group, Jaws and International Phonetic Alphabet.

          There are a limited number of IPA fonts that have the capability of being read character-by-character, which is what would be needed here.  It should be up to the instructor, to make sure that material is supplied in accessible format.  If the material is really, really extensive I have to say that it is sometimes easier to have a human reader, but not always.  It's always messy with the IPA since the character names are long and, if you get into diacritics, it gets even messier.

--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Issues using Flash Based Voicemail Website

Jonathan COHN
 

I am a bit surprised that this application is still using flash. I thought that most Flash applications had been  transitioned to HTML 5 at this point. I wonder if you uninstall flash if the site will offer an alternative, or if possibly there is a HTML only version.

 

My experience has been that the only object that is interactive and accessible to a screen reader in Flash is the button. Perhaps Golden Cursor might be able to help though.

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of "tim@..." <tim@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Friday, November 23, 2018 at 8:04 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Issues using Flash Based Voicemail Website

 

I'm working with a volunteer who is blind to access an online voicemail system through my.jive.com. The website uses flash software and we're able to access the names of the voicemails using NVDA, but we're not able to click on the links to listen to them. 

We're using a HP Pavilion Notebook PC with Windows 10 Home Version 1803. 

Does anyone have experience with my.jive.com through Jive Communications? 
Has anyone resolved issues when issue flash on a website? 

Thanks for your help!
Tim 


Re: help items missing

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Brian,

Thanks for keeping with this issue.
I found that the files are indeed present under various language folders within the NVDA directory on the C: drive. They do exist in the "en" folder which is the folder I would expect NVDA to call when the language setting is set to "English".

I found that I had not actually selected English in the General settings of NVDA. I corrected this so that NVDA now expects English as the default language but still the three files are not being picked up by the Help menu in NVDA.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 9:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help items missing

Well the only way I can make such files not display is to break the browsers linking, ie the browser gets launched but the file its asked to open is either corrupted in the command or missing so you get a blank browser window.
I've tried several portable and installed copies and cannot duplicate the effect here on windows 7 , so maybe something else broke. However if you can open some html files etc then it seems odd that the problem is so selective unless its a llanguage of the files or some other obscure issue where the characters are not correct to match the file names. Have you searched for the files manually on the machine?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cearbhall O'Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: "'Quentin Christensen'" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] help items missing


Brian,

Logically, I would have agreed with you. But, I did remove NVDA completely
and then installed a fresh download of the whole NVDA package, installed it
and still the three files are missing!


Listed but failing to open (presumed Missing!):
* NVDA User Guide
* Commands quick Reference
* What's New

Present and functioning:
* NVDA Web Site
* Licence
* Contributors
* Welcome Dialog
* Check for Update
* About


Could someone tell me what the program file names for the three missing
items are? I could then check the NVDA folder and see if they are actually
present.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


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list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help items missing

Have you tried a reinstall but keeping the settings? If its just files that
are missing and you know they were there in the first place, they have to be
in the installer, surely?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cearbhall O'Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] help items missing


Hi,



I was going to investigate the query on using the User manual when I
discovered that the User Manual command reference and what’s new items are
missing from my NVDA menu!

All the other items are present in the help menu.

I am using NVDA 2018.3.2 in Windows 10.



Any suggestions as to how to recover?



All the best,



Cearbhall



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Re: whatsapp desktop help

Darren Harris
 

Every time I try pressing any buttons it just jumps me straight into the edit field. Any way of stopping this?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 26 November 2018 16:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] whatsapp desktop help

 

Yes it's possible.
Find the button after the edit box, press enter on it, record your message then press enter again.

Em 26/11/2018 14:10, Darren Harris via Groups.Io escreveu:

Hi all,

�

Is there a way of recording voice messages on the desktop version of whatsapp? If so I can�t seem to find it.

 


Re: whatsapp desktop help

 

Yes it's possible.
Find the button after the edit box, press enter on it, record your message then press enter again.
Em 26/11/2018 14:10, Darren Harris via Groups.Io escreveu:

Hi all,

�

Is there a way of recording voice messages on the desktop version of whatsapp? If so I can�t seem to find it.



whatsapp desktop help

Darren Harris
 

Hi all,

 

Is there a way of recording voice messages on the desktop version of whatsapp? If so I can’t seem to find it.


Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

 

enes,

         What font are they using for the IPA?  There was a recent discussion of this in the JAWS group, Jaws and International Phonetic Alphabet.

          There are a limited number of IPA fonts that have the capability of being read character-by-character, which is what would be needed here.  It should be up to the instructor, to make sure that material is supplied in accessible format.  If the material is really, really extensive I have to say that it is sometimes easier to have a human reader, but not always.  It's always messy with the IPA since the character names are long and, if you get into diacritics, it gets even messier.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: some unsolved problems about NVDA

Chris
 

It may be a good idea to  contact the author of the add-on to see if anything can be done if it doesn’t work for you

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Raha Tehrani" <raha.tehrani1362@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 6:34 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] some unsolved problems about NVDA

 

 

Hi.

I have tried the addon provided by Mohmad Soleiman.

it won't function either.

NVDA keeps quiet while in the text editing area in VB in Microsoft

Visual studio 2010

I think the NVAccess team should think about a better solution.

I'd like my friends to test it.

just go to VB in Microsoft Visual studio. then, press f7 to enter the

text editing area. then as you arrow and navigate around. NVDA won't

say anything at all.

it gets sort of dumb. to give it a try, you can write an encryption.

like: "dim a as integer"

then as you navigate and arrow on the text you've just written, you'll

hear nothing from NVDA.

take care.

 

On 11/25/18, Chris via Groups.Io <chrismedley@...>

wrote:

> Theres actually a add-on for visual studio

> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/visualStudio.en.html

> maybe that will help you 😃

> From: Raha Tehrani

> Sent: 25 November 2018 16:38

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] some unsolved problems about NVDA

> Dear all.

> as you all know, NVDA 2018.4 is on the way. at the moment, the

> developers' version is available to check for probable problems.

> there's a problem which I have seen with different versions of NVDA.

> it won't say anything in Visual Basic in Microsoft visual studio. I

> have tried it on Microsoft visual studio 2010. it's fine with the

> design area. but it keeps being completely silent while the text

> editor area is on the foreground. I have no account on Github. but if

> you have one, please let them know about this very significant

> problem, so that it can be fixed in the next release. it's kind of

> important. because you can't simply edit what you write within the

> text-editing environment. as a result, programming gets difficult on

> visual basic in microsoft visual studio 2010, using NVDA. please do

> tell the NVAccess team about this major problem. note: this is not the

> case with JAWS. it's fine with VB in MS Visual Studio 2010. you can

> easily move with design and text-editing area with jaws. therefore,

> you can easily edit what you've written in the text editor

> environment.

> let's keep in mind, this is not the only case.

> NVDA crashes as you let it get updated out of addon updator but

> mannually restart it.

> as you know, while using addon updater, it lets you know when there

> are addons to update, after installing, NVDA asks you to let it

> restart. if you choose yes, NVDA will restart, but after rebooting,

> you will see a couple of NVDAs on the system tray. if you press enter

> on one of them it will disappear. if you say no, and then you will

> mannually exit and reload NVDA, it will crash after a few seconds, and

> won't reload unless you sign out and sign in again.

> I should mention that all these cases have taken place in windows 10

> 18.9 64 bit latest update.

> thanks again.

> take care.

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A random question, related to screen readers in general

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

and yet, my experience is much the opposite. Braille displays are partially funded by the government here, and many people have them. I have one, because I am a programming student, but even before that, I had a mobile Braille display. I can't really use braille and speech effectively, so I am in the habit of turning off the speech when my Braille display is connected, and just reading. Reading Braille is slower for me than listening, but it's much more accurate.

if I had to pay for it all on my own, I doubt I would be able to afford it, but since I have access, I have it and I use it.

consider that the cost of Braille displays is falling sharply. In 2007, the cost of a 40 cell Braille display was approximately $7,200 Canadian. Today the cost of a 40 cell Braille display is approximately $3,500 Canadian. In 2008, there were only two real microbe braille displays that I can think of. Today, there are at least 10 or 15 displays available, in the 20 cells and under form factor. Some of them cost as little as 6 or $800. Compare the cost of a braille knee at $650 Canadian to the cost of the classic Perkins brailler at $1,300 Canadian, and clearly, brailleme me comes out on top as the new learning tool for Braille.

The pundits who fear Braille because it makes them look or act blind, are losing the price argument. Braille is becoming more affordable by the day, and I think it will make a serious come back. You cannot tell a person that they need to go through life illiterate, it just isn't right.

On November 26, 2018 5:03:46 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Of course like many surveys, it is just a result of those who did the
survey. I strongly suspect out of the general users the percentage is a lot
lower than this.
I have many friends who are nvda users not one of them has a Braille
display, and only a handful can read the code in any case.
I certainly cannot justify buying one. I can see how for many functions it
would be useful if you can read it, such as programming etc, but for general
use on an everyday basis by somebody just using applications, email and some
shopping or social media, much of the latter now done on mobiles, then
really its not needed.
Brian

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From: "James AUSTIN" <james.londonsw15@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A random question, related to screen readers in general


I think that the WebAIM Screen Readers surveys have this info

TC
James
On 25 Nov 2018, at 23:26, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

A Google Search for something like percent of screen-reader users use
Braille produced this as one result:
https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/
If you search for the word Braille and repeat the search until you get to
the relevant content, you will find information about the number of users
of different screen-readers who use Braille output.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A random question, related to screen readers in general

Hello all


Does anyone know how I might find out what percentage of screen reader
users use braille displays?


Apologies for the random nature of this question,


--Sile