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video games

Don H
 

Don't know if anyone mentioned this web site
http://www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm


Re: VIDEO GAMING

Sarah k Alawami
 

OOO nice. I do want to finish wulverblade but am having issues with the boss. Check it out on xbox if yu get the chance. Someone already kind of wrote out a menu guide or told me what it was although I could ocr it from my xbox to my computer if I wanted to. I was going to do wulverblade that day but forgot. Lol!

Take care

On 15 Jan 2019, at 8:49, Devin Prater wrote:

I completed the main story of Dissidia Final Fantasy, on a PC with NVDA of course. I used NVDA’s OCR to read the menus and character select screen, and unspoken story dialogue, although most of the story is acted out by the characters, with fighting and such in between. The audio of battles is in stereo, customizing characters is easy once you get the hang of how OCR presents those screens, and I would definitely recommend the game.

On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Those are not video games. If you want to see video gaming in action check out [this link[(https://youtu.be/thgo8YYW9z4) Ok, I was a bit sick but I held out fo r9 hours, you only get to see 7 of those. It was a marathon stream and the stream itself got 160 viewers during that day. I like real video games as they are faster than we ever will get at least for now with audio games. But you do get to see me use nvda a little bit to play, or at least to read the menus. Granted, I'm not Brandon Cole, but I did have fun and ended up educating a 9 year old who was watching my stream while they were on vacation. He was told he could never play video games because he was blind. He asked me a lot of question and I took that time to educate when I was not getting hit by my other characters or cars. Lol!

Take care

On 15 Jan 2019, at 8:10, Josh Kennedy wrote:

hi richard,
check out all of the games available at www.audiogames.net and also at www.forum.audiogames.net 

josh


Re: VIDEO GAMING

Devin Prater
 

I completed the main story of Dissidia Final Fantasy, on a PC with NVDA of course. I used NVDA’s OCR to read the menus and character select screen, and unspoken story dialogue, although most of the story is acted out by the characters, with fighting and such in between. The audio of battles is in stereo, customizing characters is easy once you get the hang of how OCR presents those screens, and I would definitely recommend the game.

On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Those are not video games. If you want to see video gaming in action check out [this link[(https://youtu.be/thgo8YYW9z4) Ok, I was a bit sick but I held out fo r9 hours, you only get to see 7 of those. It was a marathon stream and the stream itself got 160 viewers during that day. I like real video games as they are faster than we ever will get at least for now with audio games. But you do get to see me use nvda a little bit to play, or at least to read the menus. Granted, I'm not Brandon Cole, but I did have fun and ended up educating a 9 year old who was watching my stream while they were on vacation. He was told he could never play video games because he was blind. He asked me a lot of question and I took that time to educate when I was not getting hit by my other characters or cars. Lol!

Take care

On 15 Jan 2019, at 8:10, Josh Kennedy wrote:

hi richard,
check out all of the games available at www.audiogames.net and also at www.forum.audiogames.net 

josh


Re: VIDEO GAMING

Sarah k Alawami
 

Those are not video games. If you want to see video gaming in action check out [this link[(https://youtu.be/thgo8YYW9z4) Ok, I was a bit sick but I held out fo r9 hours, you only get to see 7 of those. It was a marathon stream and the stream itself got 160 viewers during that day. I like real video games as they are faster than we ever will get at least for now with audio games. But you do get to see me use nvda a little bit to play, or at least to read the menus. Granted, I'm not Brandon Cole, but I did have fun and ended up educating a 9 year old who was watching my stream while they were on vacation. He was told he could never play video games because he was blind. He asked me a lot of question and I took that time to educate when I was not getting hit by my other characters or cars. Lol!

Take care

On 15 Jan 2019, at 8:10, Josh Kennedy wrote:

hi richard,
check out all of the games available at www.audiogames.net and also at www.forum.audiogames.net 

josh


Re: VIDEO GAMING

Sarah k Alawami
 

No I was using OCR for some of it, not all. I did write to him off list though. I'm not trying to hide anything, I just didn't want to get in trouble. I did it via the site and it for some reason does not sync with my email client, Oh well.



Take care

On 15 Jan 2019, at 0:39, John Isige wrote:

If it does indeed involve using NVDA, I don't know about anybody else,
but I wish you'd post to the list instead. Or at least link to a guide.
If you're using NVDA for some of it then I'd think that would be topical
and I'd be interested in learning more about it all.



On 1/14/2019 19:27, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, actually not. He means video games such as forza and pubg and sea
of theves. I'll gt back to him off list as some of these we can play
with the use of the controlers and nvda, kind of.

Take care

On 14 Jan 2019, at 14:50, Adel Spence wrote:

I think site you are looking for is:
www.audiogames.net

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Richard Bartholomew <mailto:rlbart53@...>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda]VIDEO GAMING

Thanks for the pointers and the offer of further information.
 Over the years, I’ve dabbled with adventure and strategy
games but what intrigues me is the idea of video gaming –
okay, maybe I should say here that my interpretation of video
gaming is the narrow one of “shoot ‘em up” style of game which
I’m having trouble picturing with speech only! Also, I’m
assuming that this is the type of games referred to earlier as
it’s generally the video aspect of games which is memory and
processor intensive.

I’ll definitely go and look for that accessible gaming site,
though, to see what’s available.

Thanks again.

Richard Bartholomew

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*goshawk on horseback
*Sent:* 14 January 2019 22:04
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda]VIDEO GAMING
*Importance:* High

I don't know about mainstream games, but there are quite a
number of games designed for us, which are either self
voicing, or that should work with NVDA.

there is a site that lists most if not all of them, but I
can't remember what it is.

there is also the blind gamers e-mail list at:

blind-gamers+subscribe@groups.io
<mailto:blind-gamers+subscribe@groups.io>

where you should be able to get info on just about any
accessible game out there.

have you given any thought to what types of games you would be
interested in?

Simon

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Richard Bartholomew <mailto:rlbart53@...>

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Sent:*Monday, January 14, 2019 9:52 PM

*Subject:*[nvda]VIDEO GAMING

Hi,

Earlier today, I saw a message from someone saying they
were a video gamer and am interested to know what video
games are accessible via NVDA to a totally blind user,
please, as this may be an avenue I’d like to explore.

Thanks for any info.

Richard Bartholomew


Re: off topic: about android:

Sarah k Alawami
 

I just wrote you off list with some resources.

hope that helps.

On 15 Jan 2019, at 4:50, zahra wrote:

hi every one.
if someone has android 9 with espeak, please email me privately.
thanks for any help, God bless you!

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

 

Hi,

Correct – in tablet mode, app windows become maximized, and usual command to move focus to desktop )Windows+D) won’t work. I suggest:

  1. Press Windows+A to open Action Center.
  2. Go to tablet mode and see if the toggle button is pressed.
  3. If pressed, press Space to uncheck it and press Escape to close Action Center.

 

Cheer,s

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

 

From what I read, I infer that in tablet mode, those commands may not work or maybe the desktop is somehow displayed differently or something replaces it.  I don't know if that is correct or what option may be correct but it appears something prevents going to the traditional desktop.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:16 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

 

Hi

Use the Windows command Windows key+d to move to the desktop list, pressing Windows key+d again will take you back to where you were prior to moving to the desktop, it acts like a toggle.  The “Life at a glance”  sounds like its the icons on the start screen.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: 15 January 2019 14:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

 

Hi All,

Please help!  For some reason I cannot figure out, when I start my computer, it does not land on the desktop but on something called ‘life at a glancd-group header” with some icons under for calendar, weather…

I probably did something unintentionally and now I cannot find a way to get back to the desktop.  Pleas help.

Boy, I am glad this list is there for some of us who are not computer savvy!

Many thanks.

Blessings

Pascal


Re: Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

Gene
 

From what I read, I infer that in tablet mode, those commands may not work or maybe the desktop is somehow displayed differently or something replaces it.  I don't know if that is correct or what option may be correct but it appears something prevents going to the traditional desktop.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

Hi

Use the Windows command Windows key+d to move to the desktop list, pressing Windows key+d again will take you back to where you were prior to moving to the desktop, it acts like a toggle.  The “Life at a glance”  sounds like its the icons on the start screen.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: 15 January 2019 14:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

 

Hi All,

Please help!  For some reason I cannot figure out, when I start my computer, it does not land on the desktop but on something called ‘life at a glancd-group header” with some icons under for calendar, weather…

I probably did something unintentionally and now I cannot find a way to get back to the desktop.  Pleas help.

Boy, I am glad this list is there for some of us who are not computer savvy!

Many thanks.

Blessings

Pascal


Re: Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Use the Windows command Windows key+d to move to the desktop list, pressing Windows key+d again will take you back to where you were prior to moving to the desktop, it acts like a toggle.  The “Life at a glance”  sounds like its the icons on the start screen.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: 15 January 2019 14:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

 

Hi All,

Please help!  For some reason I cannot figure out, when I start my computer, it does not land on the desktop but on something called ‘life at a glancd-group header” with some icons under for calendar, weather…

I probably did something unintentionally and now I cannot find a way to get back to the desktop.  Pleas help.

Boy, I am glad this list is there for some of us who are not computer savvy!

Many thanks.

Blessings

Pascal


Re: VIDEO GAMING

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

hi richard,
check out all of the games available at www.audiogames.net and also at www.forum.audiogames.net 

josh


Re: Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

Gene
 

See this page. 
Different people give different solutions.  I looked at the first two and I don't know if there are more.  I suspect the second one, about changing to tablet mode, is the answer.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

Hi All,

Please help!  For some reason I cannot figure out, when I start my computer, it does not land on the desktop but on something called ‘life at a glancd-group header” with some icons under for calendar, weather…

I probably did something unintentionally and now I cannot find a way to get back to the desktop.  Pleas help.

Boy, I am glad this list is there for some of us who are not computer savvy!

Many thanks.

Blessings

Pascal


Weather plus addon

Don H
 

Is there ever going to be a new weather plus addon? Was a very useful addon.


Re: Want to upgrade computer

 

Hi,

The official answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

It is very easy to find out.  Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;  mid jan 2020, mid 2020,  any other bids?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: January-15-19 4:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I’m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven’t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I’d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It’s only more recently that I’ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I’m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I’m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

 

 

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.  Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.  But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.  Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.  I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.  But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

 

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.  But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?  What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?  You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.  So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?  If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

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Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Hi All,

Please help!  For some reason I cannot figure out, when I start my computer, it does not land on the desktop but on something called ‘life at a glancd-group header” with some icons under for calendar, weather…

I probably did something unintentionally and now I cannot find a way to get back to the desktop.  Pleas help.

Boy, I am glad this list is there for some of us who are not computer savvy!

Many thanks.

Blessings

Pascal


Re: Want to upgrade computer

Gene
 

It is very easy to find out.  Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;  mid jan 2020, mid 2020,  any other bids?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: January-15-19 4:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I’m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven’t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I’d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It’s only more recently that I’ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I’m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I’m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

 

 

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.  Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.  But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.  Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.  I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.  But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

 

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.  But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?  What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?  You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.  So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?  If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

--
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Engineers think "If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet".

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Re: Want to upgrade computer

Monte Single
 

I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;  mid jan 2020, mid 2020,  any other bids?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: January-15-19 4:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I’m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven’t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I’d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It’s only more recently that I’ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I’m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I’m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

 

 

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.  Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.  But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.  Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.  I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.  But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

 

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.  But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?  What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?  You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.  So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?  If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

--
Normal people think "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Engineers think "If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet".

                                                   Please reply to the list;
                                                         please *don't* CC me.


off topic: about android:

 

hi every one.
if someone has android 9 with espeak, please email me privately.
thanks for any help, God bless you!

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
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Re: Want to upgrade computer

Gene
 

For years, almost all programs run in 64 bit Windows were 32 bit programs.  There are more 64bit programs now but most are still 32bit. 
 
In 64 bit Windows, while some, perhaps many people can get good performance with 4GB of RAM, manufacturers are now generally putting 8GB of RAM in Windows computers, which I think is a good idea.  My machine came with 4gb, in 2011 and because of the ways I use it, that is enough.  But I've looked at my memory use at times and it is too close to using all RAM than I think is good since, if I were a little more demanding of the machine, I might come close to or reach the limit of my RAM.  But I don't do demanding things with the machine, probably on the low side of how the majority of people use their machines.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Clare Page
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I’m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven’t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I’d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It’s only more recently that I’ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I’m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I’m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

 

 

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.  Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.  But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.  Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.  I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.  But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

 

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.  But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?  What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?  You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.  So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?  If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

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Re: Want to upgrade computer

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I’m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven’t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I’d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It’s only more recently that I’ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I’m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I’m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

 

 

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.  Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.  But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.  Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.  I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.  But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

 

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.  But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?  What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?  You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.  So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?  If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

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Re: What does this error mean?

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An associated issue with both Firefox and Waterfox for some time now has been sluggish page loading to the point where the whole page or part of it has server not found try again and when you do of course it loads it usually.
Its not happening with no nvda I'm told, but to me this seems to point at a problem with the internet, but its obviously not that either as my machine is fast and can stream hd video with no issues. My gut feeling is as Joseph said, that at some point a link internal to the browser has to do stuff, and while its in nvda, bits of important info get lost and the browser is thus not seeing what it expects as I'd imagine it simply does not know what the dll is off doing at the time. Luckily its only a minor gripe, however it does seem less likely in Jaws.
Of course having a 32 bit screenreader interacting with a 64 bit browser might well be an issue. its the sort of problem very hard to trace since I'm sure some never ever see it while others do.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] What does this error mean?


Hi,
Technical: in some cases, NVDA relies on a DLL to perform browse mode related work. The job of this DLL is to go inside a web browser process (firefox.exe, for instance) and gather as much info about the currently open web document so NVDA can display it via its own method on the fly. Not all web browsers (and document rendering engines) will permit such an operation (Microsoft Edge is one such case), and for these, NVDA relies on API's exposed by the web browser's rendering engine( this is one of the reasons why you can't navigate to visited links quickly in Edge via first letter navigation commands, one of the visible limitations).
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 8:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What does this error mean?

Hi Clarissa,
This usually means NVDA tried to perform work related to browse mode management or other operation, and somehow, things didn't work out. Usually logging out and back in fixes this.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] What does this error mean?

Hello NVDA users. For a little while now, I have been seeing this when I run, particularly, Firefox with NVDA, although I can't really be sure it's Firefox that is causing the problem. But Firefox does appear to be very sluggish with NVDA. Here is the message:

The window title says: NVDA helper remote injection terminate and the dialog says: error, waiting for local thread to die, already dead or not responding

I notice this sometimes when I press CTRL+ALT+n to restart NVDA after it has stopped speaking for some unknown reason.

I just got the NVDA update today, and it did not fix the problem. I think I first noticed this error last week. I have never encountered such an error before.