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Re: A query I meant to post earlier about windows messages

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

He has hijacked the thread. Its nothing to do with mail for me, its a sudden message now in the tray, one message from windows but unless I can see the actual message I cannot tell one way or the other.
Its only started recently.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A query I meant to post earlier about windows messages


Well Maxy do as it says. Maybe a setting got messed up somewhere. I get this sometimes and I do fix it. I’m assuming you are using the Mail app?



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of MAX <max@maxsmusicplace.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 3:51:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A query I meant to post earlier about windows messages

Along that line I am getting a message every few days telling me that Microsoft needs to fix my email. My email is working fine. I guess they never heard the expression, if it aint broke don't fix it. What am I saying? Microsoft is well known for fixing things that aint broke.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A query I meant to post earlier about windows messages

hitting enter on that can help to open it however I don't always trust windowsaction/ notiffication centre.

For example, during a clock sync the power dropped off and the router died.

I got it back every thing was out of sync, windows was alegal, everything wouldn't open and everything was screaming at me.

It was waterfox that alerted me to the fact everything was backwards and pointed me at my clock, which I changed.

Then everything worked.

But the messages stayed, and I had to tell action centre to ignore them till they died.

On a similar note, notifications can report a problem, but in a criptic way and after I have found and solved it.

I was upgrading one of my security/ backup programs.

And immediately I got a notification that I was unsafe, recomending a full reset and reformat.

I was aware the thing was broken, and continued updating.

After this, I had to clear things.

I have had it say for example that I am using pirated windows, and my accounts are not signing in and that a whole host of things are screwed and that I should reset or something.

Yet when I have logged into where I need to go to check, not only are they not showing no problems but checking on the server side shows that they never existed.

Or existed for such a little time it didn't matter.

The only time that its ever really worked was when I was updating a business server for my uncle and the system kept crashing, at that time, windows put up the usual video card issue with the drivers crashing out.

A small note put that it was a bug with the driver, and to open a website for instructions, where I found the manufacturer had added to the action note that I needed a new driver and got a direct link to it.

But that was before things got weird.

Now, I do glance at notifications centre just like I would glance at the paper, but 99.9% of the time I just clear them, in most cases its fixed, not a problem or if it is, I can handle it without any issue.


On 11/29/2018 10:56 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
In Windows 7, sometimes in the tray icons is one saying you have one
message, basically some kind of problem report. I seldom seem to
notice it till then, so one might be forgiven for thinking that
invoking the context menu and selecting the open for the centre might
just give a clue to what it is.
However normally this opens a screen with things like troubleshooting,
security, maintenance etc, and seems to have no obvious way to simply
view that message.
Am I missing something obvious?
So if there is a quick way to just get to that message wherever it is
and read it it would be great. It normally tends to be something like
Backup issues or some odd crash of explorer or some such, but one can
never find the actual text until you accidentally resolve it by
guesswork and then you can see it in the old archive. Its a bit
pointless then!

Brian

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Re: A query I meant to post earlier about windows messages

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

My query is not so much whether its busted, but more along the lines, I can see the alert, and I can open the action centre but where is the message it is referring to, give me a clue?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "MAX" <max@maxsmusicplace.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A query I meant to post earlier about windows messages


Along that line I am getting a message every few days telling me that Microsoft needs to fix my email. My email is working fine. I guess they never heard the expression, if it aint broke don't fix it. What am I saying? Microsoft is well known for fixing things that aint broke.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A query I meant to post earlier about windows messages

hitting enter on that can help to open it however I don't always trust windowsaction/ notiffication centre.

For example, during a clock sync the power dropped off and the router died.

I got it back every thing was out of sync, windows was alegal, everything wouldn't open and everything was screaming at me.

It was waterfox that alerted me to the fact everything was backwards and pointed me at my clock, which I changed.

Then everything worked.

But the messages stayed, and I had to tell action centre to ignore them till they died.

On a similar note, notifications can report a problem, but in a criptic way and after I have found and solved it.

I was upgrading one of my security/ backup programs.

And immediately I got a notification that I was unsafe, recomending a full reset and reformat.

I was aware the thing was broken, and continued updating.

After this, I had to clear things.

I have had it say for example that I am using pirated windows, and my accounts are not signing in and that a whole host of things are screwed and that I should reset or something.

Yet when I have logged into where I need to go to check, not only are they not showing no problems but checking on the server side shows that they never existed.

Or existed for such a little time it didn't matter.

The only time that its ever really worked was when I was updating a business server for my uncle and the system kept crashing, at that time, windows put up the usual video card issue with the drivers crashing out.

A small note put that it was a bug with the driver, and to open a website for instructions, where I found the manufacturer had added to the action note that I needed a new driver and got a direct link to it.

But that was before things got weird.

Now, I do glance at notifications centre just like I would glance at the paper, but 99.9% of the time I just clear them, in most cases its fixed, not a problem or if it is, I can handle it without any issue.


On 11/29/2018 10:56 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
In Windows 7, sometimes in the tray icons is one saying you have one
message, basically some kind of problem report. I seldom seem to
notice it till then, so one might be forgiven for thinking that
invoking the context menu and selecting the open for the centre might
just give a clue to what it is.
However normally this opens a screen with things like troubleshooting,
security, maintenance etc, and seems to have no obvious way to simply
view that message.
Am I missing something obvious?
So if there is a quick way to just get to that message wherever it is
and read it it would be great. It normally tends to be something like
Backup issues or some odd crash of explorer or some such, but one can
never find the actual text until you accidentally resolve it by
guesswork and then you can see it in the old archive. Its a bit
pointless then!

Brian

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Re: I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

Gene
 

Do you look immediately down the page?  The text changes if it does, if you read immediately below the clickable items.  This is with the older version of Chrome I tested with and an older version of NVDA.  Don't do what I did at first and skip down looking for text past the navigation links.  Press enter, the correct command for clicable items, then read down the page from there. 
 
Also, if you have JAVA scripts disabled or are using a script blocker, the clickable items may not work.  I don't recall if I experimented with this, but such items may require JAVA scripts to work.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

Hello Gene,  . In this case I do have clickable items enabled, it’s just that they don’t appear to change status when I try to click on them. I’m trying to use either aspace or enter, is there another trick I’m missing?


On Nov 29, 2018, at 11:09 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

They aren't links any longer.  they are clickable items and you need to have clickable announcement on if you want them identified.  Or you can have it off and try anything that sounds as though it might be a clickable item to see if anything happens if you are interested in that item.  But that isn't a problem with NVDA.  the page design changed. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

Gene,


I am running Chrome as my browser. 


Yes, I am talking about those items at the top.  If you click on those they open to additional lists of items that can be clicked on.  Most of them are no longer are identified by NVDA as links.


Dan

On 11/29/2018 8:23 PM, Gene wrote:
I can't run recent versions of NVDA so I can't compare how the page works when I look at it to your experience.  It may help, however if you tell us what browser you are using and give an example of something that used to be a link.  I want to make sure you aren't talking about the three or four clickable items at the top of the page for changing part of the page for the subject you are interested in.
 
Gene. 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

I have a very similar problem on the site:


lds.org


There are 2 lists of items at the top of the page.  NVDA doesn't even announce them as links or buttons as it used to do.  I suspect this is due to some changes to the site but it seems it should still work since other links on the same page work just fine.


This has started over the past few releases of NVDA and has been getting worse.  I just noticed how bad it has gotten today.


Any improvements in this would be very greatly appreciated.


Dan Beaver

On 11/29/2018 6:29 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello


Just wondering if anyone has run into this problem with NVDA.  I am trying to select radio buttons that are within a table (basically ranking students on a scale from 1-5 on several criteria, with each criterion being one row of radio buttons.)


It doesn't matter whether I use firefox or chrome, the radio buttons don't seem to change state whether I hit spacebar or return, or whether I am in edit mode or not.


Anyone got any ideas?


--Sile





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Re: I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

Chris Mullins
 

I tried the “My account and ward” item on the LDS site.  It does not respond to enter or spacebar but does respond to NVDA+numpad slash followed by Numpad slash to simulate a left click.  This may be due to poor site design making these items only responsive to the mouse.

 

Cheers

Chris     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: 30 November 2018 00:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

 

I have a very similar problem on the site:

 

lds.org

 

There are 2 lists of items at the top of the page.  NVDA doesn't even announce them as links or buttons as it used to do.  I suspect this is due to some changes to the site but it seems it should still work since other links on the same page work just fine.

 

This has started over the past few releases of NVDA and has been getting worse.  I just noticed how bad it has gotten today.

 

Any improvements in this would be very greatly appreciated.

 

Dan Beaver

On 11/29/2018 6:29 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:

Hello


Just wondering if anyone has run into this problem with NVDA.  I am trying to select radio buttons that are within a table (basically ranking students on a scale from 1-5 on several criteria, with each criterion being one row of radio buttons.)


It doesn't matter whether I use firefox or chrome, the radio buttons don't seem to change state whether I hit spacebar or return, or whether I am in edit mode or not.


Anyone got any ideas?


--Sile




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Re: I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

Sile
 

Hello Gene,  . In this case I do have clickable items enabled, it’s just that they don’t appear to change status when I try to click on them. I’m trying to use either aspace or enter, is there another trick I’m missing?


On Nov 29, 2018, at 11:09 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

They aren't links any longer.  they are clickable items and you need to have clickable announcement on if you want them identified.  Or you can have it off and try anything that sounds as though it might be a clickable item to see if anything happens if you are interested in that item.  But that isn't a problem with NVDA.  the page design changed. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

Gene,


I am running Chrome as my browser. 


Yes, I am talking about those items at the top.  If you click on those they open to additional lists of items that can be clicked on.  Most of them are no longer are identified by NVDA as links.


Dan

On 11/29/2018 8:23 PM, Gene wrote:
I can't run recent versions of NVDA so I can't compare how the page works when I look at it to your experience.  It may help, however if you tell us what browser you are using and give an example of something that used to be a link.  I want to make sure you aren't talking about the three or four clickable items at the top of the page for changing part of the page for the subject you are interested in.
 
Gene. 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

I have a very similar problem on the site:


lds.org


There are 2 lists of items at the top of the page.  NVDA doesn't even announce them as links or buttons as it used to do.  I suspect this is due to some changes to the site but it seems it should still work since other links on the same page work just fine.


This has started over the past few releases of NVDA and has been getting worse.  I just noticed how bad it has gotten today.


Any improvements in this would be very greatly appreciated.


Dan Beaver

On 11/29/2018 6:29 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello


Just wondering if anyone has run into this problem with NVDA.  I am trying to select radio buttons that are within a table (basically ranking students on a scale from 1-5 on several criteria, with each criterion being one row of radio buttons.)


It doesn't matter whether I use firefox or chrome, the radio buttons don't seem to change state whether I hit spacebar or return, or whether I am in edit mode or not.


Anyone got any ideas?


--Sile





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Re: NVDA and Word 2016

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
Further to Don's post, I did an experiment using Word 2007, which does not repeat but does render quite verbose details for each menu item. If I switch off both "Report Object descriptions"and "Report object short-cut keys", in the Object Presentation dialog (NVDA+Ctrl+o), then only the basic text is spoken for each menu item.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: 29 November 2018 23:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Word 2016

I confirm that if you uncheck report object descriptions in the NVDA
settings the double announcing of menu items stops. Not sure what
unchecking this setting causes overall in other situations.

On 11/29/2018 4:34 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
This is a known issue though I'm not sure whether anyone has tried to
tackle it lately: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8390




On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 5:22 AM Don H <lmddh50@adams.net
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>> wrote:

Running NVDA 2018-4 beta 2 on a win 10 computer and using Word 2016.
I am finding the use of the ribbon menues very workable. However one
little annoying issue I am having is the repeat of entries in the menu.
For example if I go to the file menu and arrow down the entries it will
say everything twice. It will say open open or save save etc. Is
there
some setting to fix this issue?






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RES: [nvda] BETA2 DOESN'T READ TABLES IN PDF DOCUMENTS

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

Hi Quentin!

I am sending the file attached. It is in portuguese.

I opened it in adobe and nvda didn’t recognize the tables.

So I opened it with Microsoft word and the tables were there.

 

 

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De: Quentin Christensen
Enviado:sexta-feira, 30 de novembro de 2018 01:22
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] BETA2 DOESN'T READ TABLES IN PDF DOCUMENTS

 

I just tried with a file in Adobe Reader 2019.008.20081 and I can read and navigate the table in this PDF file ok.

 

It is quite likely the way that the PDF file was made, which you'll likely only know if you were the one who created it.

 

If you can email it to me, I can have a look, but short of recreating the PDF from the original source, there's probably not a lot to do with an existing file.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 12:19 PM Alexandre Alves Toco <alexandretoco@...> wrote:

Hi, opened a pdf that has a table in adobe reader.

Same problem as 2018.3.2. Nvda doesn’t recognize the table.

 

 

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Re: Reporting bugs

Quentin Christensen
 

Quite likely, yes.  If everything is working normally except for the ding, you can probably ignore it.  If something isn't working properly, at least that ding lets us know there is likely something in the log we may be able to use to track it down.


On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 4:22 PM Joseph Weakland <josephweakland@...> wrote:

i am using beta 4.2 and sometimes when i close a program i'd hear a 2 beep tone going down does that mean a nvda error got written to log?


On 11/29/2018 11:00 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
The "ding" sound means that an error has been written to the log.  Often whatever you were trying to do still works as the program tries a different approach and so it doesn't impact the user at all.  The error sound is in Alpha and Beta versions to alert developers that there may be something which needs their attention.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 2:49 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I just downloaded the beta version and the only thing I get is a ding sound when I hit enter on a program. Other than that, it's working great for me.

 

I'm looking forward to the new release.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reporting bugs

 

Firstly thank you to everyone using the beta version of NVDA!  We really appreciate the help with ensuring everything is running smoothly before the final version is released!

 

If you aren't using the beta and would like to try it out, you can find it at https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-4beta2-released/


If you'd like some more info on what a beta is, I did a little write up in the In-Process blog this week: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-28th-november-2018/

 

And otherwise, I just wanted to share a quick note for anyone reporting issues, particularly those using the beta.


If you post "Problem doing XYZ with Beta2", the implication is that XYZ worked fine in beta1 or at least with 2018.3.2. If that is indeed the case, that's great, and really helps narrow down that we've introduced a bug.  If you haven't tried XYZ in any other version, could you please either state that, or, if you have the time and inclination, try it out in 2018.3.2, so you can advise that yes it used to work, or no it was an issue previously.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with reporting an issue which has always been there, but which you've only just noticed, but reading some of the recent posts, it can be unclear as to whether something is definitely a newly introduced bug.

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

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Re: Reporting bugs

Joseph Weakland
 

i am using beta 4.2 and sometimes when i close a program i'd hear a 2 beep tone going down does that mean a nvda error got written to log?


On 11/29/2018 11:00 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
The "ding" sound means that an error has been written to the log.  Often whatever you were trying to do still works as the program tries a different approach and so it doesn't impact the user at all.  The error sound is in Alpha and Beta versions to alert developers that there may be something which needs their attention.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 2:49 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I just downloaded the beta version and the only thing I get is a ding sound when I hit enter on a program. Other than that, it's working great for me.

 

I'm looking forward to the new release.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reporting bugs

 

Firstly thank you to everyone using the beta version of NVDA!  We really appreciate the help with ensuring everything is running smoothly before the final version is released!

 

If you aren't using the beta and would like to try it out, you can find it at https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-4beta2-released/


If you'd like some more info on what a beta is, I did a little write up in the In-Process blog this week: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-28th-november-2018/

 

And otherwise, I just wanted to share a quick note for anyone reporting issues, particularly those using the beta.


If you post "Problem doing XYZ with Beta2", the implication is that XYZ worked fine in beta1 or at least with 2018.3.2. If that is indeed the case, that's great, and really helps narrow down that we've introduced a bug.  If you haven't tried XYZ in any other version, could you please either state that, or, if you have the time and inclination, try it out in 2018.3.2, so you can advise that yes it used to work, or no it was an issue previously.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with reporting an issue which has always been there, but which you've only just noticed, but reading some of the recent posts, it can be unclear as to whether something is definitely a newly introduced bug.

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

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Re: Reporting bugs

Quentin Christensen
 

The "ding" sound means that an error has been written to the log.  Often whatever you were trying to do still works as the program tries a different approach and so it doesn't impact the user at all.  The error sound is in Alpha and Beta versions to alert developers that there may be something which needs their attention.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 2:49 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I just downloaded the beta version and the only thing I get is a ding sound when I hit enter on a program. Other than that, it's working great for me.

 

I'm looking forward to the new release.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reporting bugs

 

Firstly thank you to everyone using the beta version of NVDA!  We really appreciate the help with ensuring everything is running smoothly before the final version is released!

 

If you aren't using the beta and would like to try it out, you can find it at https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-4beta2-released/


If you'd like some more info on what a beta is, I did a little write up in the In-Process blog this week: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-28th-november-2018/

 

And otherwise, I just wanted to share a quick note for anyone reporting issues, particularly those using the beta.


If you post "Problem doing XYZ with Beta2", the implication is that XYZ worked fine in beta1 or at least with 2018.3.2. If that is indeed the case, that's great, and really helps narrow down that we've introduced a bug.  If you haven't tried XYZ in any other version, could you please either state that, or, if you have the time and inclination, try it out in 2018.3.2, so you can advise that yes it used to work, or no it was an issue previously.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with reporting an issue which has always been there, but which you've only just noticed, but reading some of the recent posts, it can be unclear as to whether something is definitely a newly introduced bug.

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

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Re: I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

Gene
 

They aren't links any longer.  they are clickable items and you need to have clickable announcement on if you want them identified.  Or you can have it off and try anything that sounds as though it might be a clickable item to see if anything happens if you are interested in that item.  But that isn't a problem with NVDA.  the page design changed. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

Gene,


I am running Chrome as my browser. 


Yes, I am talking about those items at the top.  If you click on those they open to additional lists of items that can be clicked on.  Most of them are no longer are identified by NVDA as links.


Dan

On 11/29/2018 8:23 PM, Gene wrote:
I can't run recent versions of NVDA so I can't compare how the page works when I look at it to your experience.  It may help, however if you tell us what browser you are using and give an example of something that used to be a link.  I want to make sure you aren't talking about the three or four clickable items at the top of the page for changing part of the page for the subject you are interested in.
 
Gene. 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

I have a very similar problem on the site:


lds.org


There are 2 lists of items at the top of the page.  NVDA doesn't even announce them as links or buttons as it used to do.  I suspect this is due to some changes to the site but it seems it should still work since other links on the same page work just fine.


This has started over the past few releases of NVDA and has been getting worse.  I just noticed how bad it has gotten today.


Any improvements in this would be very greatly appreciated.


Dan Beaver

On 11/29/2018 6:29 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello


Just wondering if anyone has run into this problem with NVDA.  I am trying to select radio buttons that are within a table (basically ranking students on a scale from 1-5 on several criteria, with each criterion being one row of radio buttons.)


It doesn't matter whether I use firefox or chrome, the radio buttons don't seem to change state whether I hit spacebar or return, or whether I am in edit mode or not.


Anyone got any ideas?


--Sile





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Re: Reporting bugs

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

I just downloaded the beta version and the only thing I get is a ding sound when I hit enter on a program. Other than that, it's working great for me.

 

I'm looking forward to the new release.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reporting bugs

 

Firstly thank you to everyone using the beta version of NVDA!  We really appreciate the help with ensuring everything is running smoothly before the final version is released!

 

If you aren't using the beta and would like to try it out, you can find it at https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-4beta2-released/


If you'd like some more info on what a beta is, I did a little write up in the In-Process blog this week: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-28th-november-2018/

 

And otherwise, I just wanted to share a quick note for anyone reporting issues, particularly those using the beta.


If you post "Problem doing XYZ with Beta2", the implication is that XYZ worked fine in beta1 or at least with 2018.3.2. If that is indeed the case, that's great, and really helps narrow down that we've introduced a bug.  If you haven't tried XYZ in any other version, could you please either state that, or, if you have the time and inclination, try it out in 2018.3.2, so you can advise that yes it used to work, or no it was an issue previously.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with reporting an issue which has always been there, but which you've only just noticed, but reading some of the recent posts, it can be unclear as to whether something is definitely a newly introduced bug.

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

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Re: NVDA 2018.4 Beta 2: Improved Responsiveness in Mozilla Thunderbird

Quentin Christensen
 

Let's start with beta2, and see if we can find what we need there first.

Thanks heaps for following up!

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 2:31 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Quentin, I will work on sending you a log file this weekend at the address that you provided. Do you want a log for both versions to compare or just one for 2018.4 beta 2?


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 11/29/2018 10:29 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thanks for your investigation!

Re upgrading Windows, if you still have 2018.3.2 and it is still snappier than the newer betas, then the update to Windows won't have changed anything.

If you go into your General settings (NVDA+CONTROL+G) and set the logging level to "debug", then OK.  Recreate the issue - ie navigate links on a web page, then send me a copy of the log, I can have a look.  You can find the log in the %temp% folder as %temp%\nvda.log

You can either copy the contents into the body of a message, or attach the file to an email.  If you attach the file, you will need to send it to me directly rather than back to the group here - info@....

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:22 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Quentin,

Your advice regarding the use of add-ons as a possible cause for slower responsiveness was worth pursuing as I do use several add-ons, including the Mozilla enhancements add-on which you mentioned. Per your advice I disabled every add-on which was running, restarted NVDA, and compared 2018.4 beta 2 with 2018.3.2, both of which had all add-ons disabled. There is still a slightly noticeable difference between 2018.4 Beta 2 and 2018.3.2. It is not as bad as it was in beta 1 but it is somewhat noticeable. Again, this is when I navigate through links in a message in Thunderbird by pressing K or shift-K. 2018.3.2 is incredibly snappy but beta 2 has a slightly noticeable lag. I am using Espeak. I did upgrade to Windows 10 build 1809; this shouldn't matter but I thought I'd mention it because it could well be important. What can I do or what logs can I send to you which might help you to figure out what I am hearing?

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 11/26/2018 9:34 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi David,

I can't notice much difference - it seems pretty snappy in all three versions (2018.3.2, beta1 and beta2).  Are you using an add-on like the Mozilla app enhancements which might affect responsiveness?

If you might be, if you press NVDA+q, then down arrow to "restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER, you can check what it is like without any add-ons.  If that is much snappier, you could first check for updates to any addons you use - Joseph Lee particularly regularly releases updates to his add-ons which often improve performance.

Otherwise, if you could send me a copy of your log at input / output or debug level, I can see if I can find anything slowing you down.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:39 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Hi.

Last week I mentioned that NVDA 2018.4 beta 1 was exhibiting slower responsiveness with certain keypresses. This was noticed in Thunderbird but also in Google Chrome, two programs which I use daily. I'm happy to report that this situation has improved and the responsiveness is much better in beta 2. However, the 2018.3.2 production build still seems snappier regarding the time it takes me to press a key until I hear the output or results of that press. I most notice this when navigating by links using K or shift-K. I'm very pleased that things have improved with beta 2 but I do hope that the final 2018.4 release will behave identically to 2018.3.2. Could someone from NV Access comment on this? Were changes made to NVDA which could, potentially, increase latency with key presses?


--
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--
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Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



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Training and Support Manager

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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Reporting bugs

Quentin Christensen
 

Firstly thank you to everyone using the beta version of NVDA!  We really appreciate the help with ensuring everything is running smoothly before the final version is released!

If you aren't using the beta and would like to try it out, you can find it at https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-4beta2-released/

If you'd like some more info on what a beta is, I did a little write up in the In-Process blog this week: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-28th-november-2018/

And otherwise, I just wanted to share a quick note for anyone reporting issues, particularly those using the beta.

If you post "Problem doing XYZ with Beta2", the implication is that XYZ worked fine in beta1 or at least with 2018.3.2. If that is indeed the case, that's great, and really helps narrow down that we've introduced a bug.  If you haven't tried XYZ in any other version, could you please either state that, or, if you have the time and inclination, try it out in 2018.3.2, so you can advise that yes it used to work, or no it was an issue previously.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with reporting an issue which has always been there, but which you've only just noticed, but reading some of the recent posts, it can be unclear as to whether something is definitely a newly introduced bug.

Regards

Quentin.

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Re: NVDA 2018.4 Beta 2: Improved Responsiveness in Mozilla Thunderbird

David Goldfield
 

Quentin, I will work on sending you a log file this weekend at the address that you provided. Do you want a log for both versions to compare or just one for 2018.4 beta 2?


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/29/2018 10:29 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thanks for your investigation!

Re upgrading Windows, if you still have 2018.3.2 and it is still snappier than the newer betas, then the update to Windows won't have changed anything.

If you go into your General settings (NVDA+CONTROL+G) and set the logging level to "debug", then OK.  Recreate the issue - ie navigate links on a web page, then send me a copy of the log, I can have a look.  You can find the log in the %temp% folder as %temp%\nvda.log

You can either copy the contents into the body of a message, or attach the file to an email.  If you attach the file, you will need to send it to me directly rather than back to the group here - info@....

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:22 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Quentin,

Your advice regarding the use of add-ons as a possible cause for slower responsiveness was worth pursuing as I do use several add-ons, including the Mozilla enhancements add-on which you mentioned. Per your advice I disabled every add-on which was running, restarted NVDA, and compared 2018.4 beta 2 with 2018.3.2, both of which had all add-ons disabled. There is still a slightly noticeable difference between 2018.4 Beta 2 and 2018.3.2. It is not as bad as it was in beta 1 but it is somewhat noticeable. Again, this is when I navigate through links in a message in Thunderbird by pressing K or shift-K. 2018.3.2 is incredibly snappy but beta 2 has a slightly noticeable lag. I am using Espeak. I did upgrade to Windows 10 build 1809; this shouldn't matter but I thought I'd mention it because it could well be important. What can I do or what logs can I send to you which might help you to figure out what I am hearing?

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 11/26/2018 9:34 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi David,

I can't notice much difference - it seems pretty snappy in all three versions (2018.3.2, beta1 and beta2).  Are you using an add-on like the Mozilla app enhancements which might affect responsiveness?

If you might be, if you press NVDA+q, then down arrow to "restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER, you can check what it is like without any add-ons.  If that is much snappier, you could first check for updates to any addons you use - Joseph Lee particularly regularly releases updates to his add-ons which often improve performance.

Otherwise, if you could send me a copy of your log at input / output or debug level, I can see if I can find anything slowing you down.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:39 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Hi.

Last week I mentioned that NVDA 2018.4 beta 1 was exhibiting slower responsiveness with certain keypresses. This was noticed in Thunderbird but also in Google Chrome, two programs which I use daily. I'm happy to report that this situation has improved and the responsiveness is much better in beta 2. However, the 2018.3.2 production build still seems snappier regarding the time it takes me to press a key until I hear the output or results of that press. I most notice this when navigating by links using K or shift-K. I'm very pleased that things have improved with beta 2 but I do hope that the final 2018.4 release will behave identically to 2018.3.2. Could someone from NV Access comment on this? Were changes made to NVDA which could, potentially, increase latency with key presses?


--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA 2018.4 Beta 2: Improved Responsiveness in Mozilla Thunderbird

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks for your investigation!

Re upgrading Windows, if you still have 2018.3.2 and it is still snappier than the newer betas, then the update to Windows won't have changed anything.

If you go into your General settings (NVDA+CONTROL+G) and set the logging level to "debug", then OK.  Recreate the issue - ie navigate links on a web page, then send me a copy of the log, I can have a look.  You can find the log in the %temp% folder as %temp%\nvda.log

You can either copy the contents into the body of a message, or attach the file to an email.  If you attach the file, you will need to send it to me directly rather than back to the group here - info@....

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:22 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Quentin,

Your advice regarding the use of add-ons as a possible cause for slower responsiveness was worth pursuing as I do use several add-ons, including the Mozilla enhancements add-on which you mentioned. Per your advice I disabled every add-on which was running, restarted NVDA, and compared 2018.4 beta 2 with 2018.3.2, both of which had all add-ons disabled. There is still a slightly noticeable difference between 2018.4 Beta 2 and 2018.3.2. It is not as bad as it was in beta 1 but it is somewhat noticeable. Again, this is when I navigate through links in a message in Thunderbird by pressing K or shift-K. 2018.3.2 is incredibly snappy but beta 2 has a slightly noticeable lag. I am using Espeak. I did upgrade to Windows 10 build 1809; this shouldn't matter but I thought I'd mention it because it could well be important. What can I do or what logs can I send to you which might help you to figure out what I am hearing?

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 11/26/2018 9:34 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi David,

I can't notice much difference - it seems pretty snappy in all three versions (2018.3.2, beta1 and beta2).  Are you using an add-on like the Mozilla app enhancements which might affect responsiveness?

If you might be, if you press NVDA+q, then down arrow to "restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER, you can check what it is like without any add-ons.  If that is much snappier, you could first check for updates to any addons you use - Joseph Lee particularly regularly releases updates to his add-ons which often improve performance.

Otherwise, if you could send me a copy of your log at input / output or debug level, I can see if I can find anything slowing you down.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:39 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Hi.

Last week I mentioned that NVDA 2018.4 beta 1 was exhibiting slower responsiveness with certain keypresses. This was noticed in Thunderbird but also in Google Chrome, two programs which I use daily. I'm happy to report that this situation has improved and the responsiveness is much better in beta 2. However, the 2018.3.2 production build still seems snappier regarding the time it takes me to press a key until I hear the output or results of that press. I most notice this when navigating by links using K or shift-K. I'm very pleased that things have improved with beta 2 but I do hope that the final 2018.4 release will behave identically to 2018.3.2. Could someone from NV Access comment on this? Were changes made to NVDA which could, potentially, increase latency with key presses?


--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



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Re: BETA2 DOESN'T READ TABLES IN PDF DOCUMENTS

Quentin Christensen
 

I just tried with a file in Adobe Reader 2019.008.20081 and I can read and navigate the table in this PDF file ok.

It is quite likely the way that the PDF file was made, which you'll likely only know if you were the one who created it.

If you can email it to me, I can have a look, but short of recreating the PDF from the original source, there's probably not a lot to do with an existing file.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 12:19 PM Alexandre Alves Toco <alexandretoco@...> wrote:

Hi, opened a pdf that has a table in adobe reader.

Same problem as 2018.3.2. Nvda doesn’t recognize the table.

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 



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Re: Another problem.

 

Just hit control w to close the page, your settings will automatically save and change as you make them.

On 11/30/2018 1:42 PM, MAX wrote:
OK. I followed the instructions and changed the settings about 2 hours ago. Now I am sitting here with chrome open on the settings page. How do I save my changes and close the page. I can’t find a thing. Please help..



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 6:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.


A very good scanner that specifically targets adware, potentially unwanted programs (PUPs), browser toolbars, and browser hijacks is:
AdwCleaner


Re: Longstanding issue with NVDA reading lines that end with numbers

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Sile,

If it is known, it's not one I've noticed before.  I just copied your text into Notepad, and looking back at my NVDA log, as I down arrowed through the text, for each line, it took between 17 and 19ms between recording the keypress in the log, and recording that it was reading the line aloud.  When I read with NVDA+down arrow, it read the whole text and I didn't detect a pause before that particular line either.

If you could set your NVDA log to debug, reproduce the issue and send me a copy of the log, I'd be happy to look into it for you.

Otherwise, I can only think of the usual troubleshooting suggestions:
- Try disabling add-ons (and if that helps, ensure you have the latest versions for all your add-ons, and try enabling them one at a time to see where the slowdown is coming from)
- Try a different synthesizer
- Do you have any speech dictionary entries or pronunciation entries which might affect numbers?

Does it only happen when the number is specifically at the end of the line?  EG does:

Order number 4977509 has been sent

exhibit the behaviour as well, or only

Order number 4977509

Regards

Quentin.


On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 12:10 PM Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:
No. What synth are you using?
On 11/29/2018 5:02 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hello
>
>
> I have noticed for a long time that NVDA takes a long time to read lines
> that start with words but end with numbers, e.g.:
>
>
> Order number 4977509
>
> Is this a known issue?  It is particularly noticeable in plain text files.
>
>
> --Sile
>
>
>
>






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