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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Brian,
Thanks for the better explanation.
I will check it out.

Andy, that someone would be Microsoft.  Perhaps calling their accessibility phone line would be a place to start.  800-936-5900

It might be interesting to try publisher with Narrator as well.
D

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 


On Aug 19, 2019, at 7:23 PM, Andy B. <sonfire11@...> wrote:



Someone should make this accessible.

 

 

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From: Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 10:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] publisher

 

Cool.

Did not know/realize that.

I might have to check it out again as it has ben several years since looked at it.

Thanks for the info.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] publisher

 

Richard,

          You are absolutely correct, though, that a "casual reading" of an unknown Publisher document can be nightmarish, as you don't know where the text boxes are.

          What I'm trying to get across is that if your job is to "work up the weekly newsletter" and you've been famliarized with the template for same, a blind person with a screen reader should be able to do it.  The screen reader will read the text if you know where it's located.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

 


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Andy B.
 

Someone should make this accessible.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 10:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] publisher

 

Cool.

Did not know/realize that.

I might have to check it out again as it has ben several years since looked at it.

Thanks for the info.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] publisher

 

Richard,

          You are absolutely correct, though, that a "casual reading" of an unknown Publisher document can be nightmarish, as you don't know where the text boxes are.

          What I'm trying to get across is that if your job is to "work up the weekly newsletter" and you've been famliarized with the template for same, a blind person with a screen reader should be able to do it.  The screen reader will read the text if you know where it's located.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

 


locked Re: publisher

Richard Kuzma
 

Cool.

Did not know/realize that.

I might have to check it out again as it has ben several years since looked at it.

Thanks for the info.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] publisher

 

Richard,

          You are absolutely correct, though, that a "casual reading" of an unknown Publisher document can be nightmarish, as you don't know where the text boxes are.

          What I'm trying to get across is that if your job is to "work up the weekly newsletter" and you've been famliarized with the template for same, a blind person with a screen reader should be able to do it.  The screen reader will read the text if you know where it's located.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Re: webpage images with NVDA (was: Why does NVDA not find photos on this website?)

Luke Davis
 

On Mon, 19 Aug 2019, Giles Turnbull wrote:

<IMG ALT="this is an image description" SRC="http://...">
I saved a webpage as a file on my laptop and edited the code so the ALT tag followed the SRC link, and NVDA recognised the graphic object.
The order of attributes shouldn't matter at all, as others have said.
What version of NVDA, and what browser/version are you using?

Can you send me a copy of the non-working document off-list, and indicate the name of one of the image files that isn't showing its alt tag?

Luke


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Richard,

          You are absolutely correct, though, that a "casual reading" of an unknown Publisher document can be nightmarish, as you don't know where the text boxes are.

          What I'm trying to get across is that if your job is to "work up the weekly newsletter" and you've been famliarized with the template for same, a blind person with a screen reader should be able to do it.  The screen reader will read the text if you know where it's located.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


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Richard,

          If you have Publisher the easiest thing to do is to play with it.   I did a quick test by opening Publisher and using Microsoft's Newsletter template, which I've made easily downloadable from my Google Drive, here:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S0PevbRvxi_xj65jPm55kLmMXh6R5jpi/view?usp=sharing

          If you start hopping around just by tabbing in the document it becomes very obvious when you are in the areas where text exists.  It is not as easy as a word document because one of the big points of publisher is heavy duty formatting, but if someone like Arlene is expected to use it in a setting like she describes the graphic layout should already be done, in its entirety.   A church newsletter, bulletin, whatever you want to call it has a standard layout where the only material that's changing is the weekly text.  After dealing with the template a time or two a blind user should know where the various text boxes are, what their content should be, and probably what will need to go there every week.

           It's not simple, as so much is not simple, but I would expect that anyone who can use MS-Word can use MS-Publisher if they're using a template to fill it in.  Creating something from scratch is something else entirely, as it's darned hard to do complex visual layout when you can't see.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Well Brian, all I can say is every publisher document I have ever tried to read has been impossible to access.
Could you give more details about how one uses it with a screen reader, or point us to a resource?
Stating I'm wrong is fine, but a bit more detail would be appreciated.
Thanks,

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 


On Aug 19, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 08:14 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
It is not possible.  It is all graphics
Absolutely, positively incorrect.   MS-Publisher is every bit as accessible as any of the other Office Suite programs are.

It is far and away not "all graphics."   It's Microsoft's desktop publishing program, which does vary somewhat from a word processor.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


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On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 08:14 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
It is not possible.  It is all graphics
Absolutely, positively incorrect.   MS-Publisher is every bit as accessible as any of the other Office Suite programs are.

It is far and away not "all graphics."   It's Microsoft's desktop publishing program, which does vary somewhat from a word processor.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Re: NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird

 

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 07:59 PM, Gene wrote:
https://superuser.com/questions/944995/how-to-delete-mail-from-server-after-download-with-imap-using-thunderbird
And, as the correct answer says:  If you are using IMAP (according to your updated question) then this is not possible. It's not how IMAP works. IMAP is designed to communicate with a central server where all your mail is stored.

And, with that, I'm declaring this topic closed, as it has long ago strayed from anything directly NVDA related.   And what's been offered strongly suggests factors idiosyncratic to individual practices, not NVDA.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Re: NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird

Luke Davis
 

On Mon, 19 Aug 2019, David Csercsics wrote:

phone, I wouldn't care, and just use pop3, but I don't believe iOS supports that.
It most certainly does, it's just not the default. POP is a dieing protocol that is not generally considered useful in a world with multiple devices accessing the same mail seamlessly. It makes more sense to keep the mail on the server, rather than downloading it to an individual device so it is no longer available to download on others. There are schemes involving "leave mail on server", and setting expiration times, and such, that make multi device support work with POP, but I've seen people get into weird situations (usually double mail) doing that sort of thing and mixing multiple email applications, so I generally wouldn't advise it.
Especially since IMAP is available, and usually works seamlessly across all devices: delete it on one, it goes away from all, unless you use a trash folder or archive folder such as with gmail.

But POP is not dead yet, and anything major still supports it, including iOS Mail.

Luke


Re: NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird

Brian Sackrider
 

I went in to general and I tabed through it and I don't find mail time there.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/19/2019 6:02 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Tb and NVDA has had trouble with each other for the longest time.  What I am doing to get around this is to up the check mail time.  This can be found in Tools>options>general>customize>"Show new mail alerts for". The default check mail frequency is 60 seconds.  I have mine set to 1200 seconds which is 20 minutes. Sluggishness still does occur, but at least the frequency is cut down a little.  Cheers!

On 8/20/2019 5:54 AM, David Csercsics wrote:
Antivirus isn't the trouble here, as I went to quite a bit of trouble to disable most of Windows defender except for regularly scheduled scans. If I could run without security software I'd do it, as it's typically more of a pain than it's worth.





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Arlene
 

Oh no Rich:sory you lost your sight.  Thanks. They don’t want to use word. I don’t have it on this new laptop. I had it on my 7 box witch bit the dust! Thanks.

 

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From: Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io
Sent: August 19, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] publisher

 

Good eveing,

Before I lost my sight I used to do graphic design and use publisher.

No being blind I would think it would be pretty difficult to use it.

Most of the page layout programs are graphical environments and rely on pointing and clicking,

But I could be wong no adays.

You might be able to get away with using Microsoft word, which is more of a word processor, but now I am just spitballing.

Hope this helps or if I  can be of any more assistance,

Please just ask.

Rich

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] publisher

 

Hi list.  Can blind people use a program called publisher?  The reason I am asking this. I want to volunteer at my local church.  However, the office staff uses publisher.  I do have a laptop with both Jaws and NVDA both latest builds.  Same with windows ten.  If it can be done how does a blind person work publisher?  Thanks and have a good day.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird

Luke Davis
 

Gmail prefers to move deleted mail to "archive". It is usually an option in the mail software, to tell it you want deleting rather than archiving. For example, for the iOS mail app, this is under the settings app, the mail section for that account, advansed, mailbox behaviors: switch delete to trash from archive.

Luke

On Mon, 19 Aug 2019, David Csercsics wrote:

How do you delete all the mail you don't need in gmail. I have the problem here that I have a lot of old stuff in all mail that I don't need, because apparently gmail doesn't actually delete things when you press the delete button. So how do you get rid of that. The website doesn't seem to have an efficient way to select a lot of mail. Thunderbird seems to still have mail that I'd press delete on long ago.


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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

It is not possible.  It is all graphics.
Later,


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 


On Aug 19, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io <rmkuzma@...> wrote:



Good eveing,

Before I lost my sight I used to do graphic design and use publisher.

No being blind I would think it would be pretty difficult to use it.

Most of the page layout programs are graphical environments and rely on pointing and clicking,

But I could be wong no adays.

You might be able to get away with using Microsoft word, which is more of a word processor, but now I am just spitballing.

Hope this helps or if I  can be of any more assistance,

Please just ask.

Rich

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] publisher

 

Hi list.  Can blind people use a program called publisher?  The reason I am asking this. I want to volunteer at my local church.  However, the office staff uses publisher.  I do have a laptop with both Jaws and NVDA both latest builds.  Same with windows ten.  If it can be done how does a blind person work publisher?  Thanks and have a good day.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


locked Re: publisher

Richard Kuzma
 

Good eveing,

Before I lost my sight I used to do graphic design and use publisher.

No being blind I would think it would be pretty difficult to use it.

Most of the page layout programs are graphical environments and rely on pointing and clicking,

But I could be wong no adays.

You might be able to get away with using Microsoft word, which is more of a word processor, but now I am just spitballing.

Hope this helps or if I  can be of any more assistance,

Please just ask.

Rich

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] publisher

 

Hi list.  Can blind people use a program called publisher?  The reason I am asking this. I want to volunteer at my local church.  However, the office staff uses publisher.  I do have a laptop with both Jaws and NVDA both latest builds.  Same with windows ten.  If it can be done how does a blind person work publisher?  Thanks and have a good day.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


locked publisher

Arlene
 

Hi list.  Can blind people use a program called publisher?  The reason I am asking this. I want to volunteer at my local church.  However, the office staff uses publisher.  I do have a laptop with both Jaws and NVDA both latest builds.  Same with windows ten.  If it can be done how does a blind person work publisher?  Thanks and have a good day.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird

Sarah k Alawami
 

Well, ust to troubleshoot I could try and restart with that add on turned off, and see where that gets me, although I'm not sure. I'll tke a look lter when I'm done doing what I'm dong.

Take care all. And hope that helps the posters who also are having issues. I'll send logs to if tBird woll want to work.

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On 19 Aug 2019, at 16:59, Gene wrote:

This discussion appears to have good information, though I'm not familiar enough with the site to say more than it appears to me to have good information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird

Yes, it deletes with pop, but gmail from imap doesn't seem to delete
messages from the server. They stay in all mail. If I didn't sometimes
get mail on my phone, I wouldn't care, and just use pop3, but I don't
believe iOS supports that.



Re: NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird

Gene
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird

This discussion appears to have good information, though I'm not familiar enough with the site to say more than it appears to me to have good information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird

Yes, it deletes with pop, but gmail from imap doesn't seem to delete
messages from the server. They stay in all mail. If I didn't sometimes
get mail on my phone, I wouldn't care, and just use pop3, but I don't
believe iOS supports that.



Re: NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird

Gene
 

This discussion appears to have good information, though I'm not familiar enough with the site to say more than it appears to me to have good information.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird

Yes, it deletes with pop, but gmail from imap doesn't seem to delete
messages from the server. They stay in all mail. If I didn't sometimes
get mail on my phone, I wouldn't care, and just use pop3, but I don't
believe iOS supports that.



Re: NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird

Sarah k Alawami
 

No no all of this in in total. Hmm, good point though and I dunno how to check for that.

Take care and blessings.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 19 Aug 2019, at 15:15, Luke Davis wrote:

On Mon, 19 Aug 2019, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I have over 200 thousand so that might be an issue ther at least as far as gmail. And no I'm not clearing any of it, at least not yet.

In a single folder, or spread across the IMAP folders in that account?

If I recall correctly, gmail exposes virtual IMAP folders. So everything in your inbox acts as if it is replicated in the allmail folder. And a few other cases of that sort of thing. I wonder if Thunderbird is seeing those as separate folders, and trying to process them as such? That is a wild shot in the dark, as I have never used Thunderbird, and all my gmail IMAP access is via mail programs that behave well with it.

Luke