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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Brian,
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Thanks for the better explanation.
I will check it out.
Andy, that someone would be Microsoft. Perhaps calling their accessibility phone line would be a place to start. 800-936-5900
It might be interesting to try publisher with Narrator as well.
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Richard
Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
On Aug 19, 2019, at 7:23 PM, Andy B. <sonfire11@...> wrote:
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From: Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io
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Cool. Did not know/realize that. I might have to check it out again as it has ben several years since looked at it. Thanks for the info.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
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Richard Kuzma
Cool. Did not know/realize that. I might have to check it out again as it has ben several years since looked at it. Thanks for the info.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
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Re: webpage images with NVDA (was: Why does NVDA not find photos on this website?)
Luke Davis
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019, Giles Turnbull wrote:
<IMG ALT="this is an image description" SRC="http://...">The order of attributes shouldn't matter at all, as others have said. What version of NVDA, and what browser/version are you using? Can you send me a copy of the non-working document off-list, and indicate the name of one of the image files that isn't showing its alt tag? Luke |
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Richard,
You are absolutely correct, though, that a "casual reading" of an unknown Publisher document can be nightmarish, as you don't know where the text boxes are. What I'm trying to get across is that if your job is to "work up the weekly newsletter" and you've been famliarized with the template for same, a blind person with a screen reader should be able to do it. The screen reader will read the text if you know where it's located. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 The color of truth is grey. ~ André Gide
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Richard,
If you have Publisher the easiest thing to do is to play with it. I did a quick test by opening Publisher and using Microsoft's Newsletter template, which I've made easily downloadable from my Google Drive, here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S0PevbRvxi_xj65jPm55kLmMXh6R5jpi/view?usp=sharing If you start hopping around just by tabbing in the document it becomes very obvious when you are in the areas where text exists. It is not as easy as a word document because one of the big points of publisher is heavy duty formatting, but if someone like Arlene is expected to use it in a setting like she describes the graphic layout should already be done, in its entirety. A church newsletter, bulletin, whatever you want to call it has a standard layout where the only material that's changing is the weekly text. After dealing with the template a time or two a blind user should know where the various text boxes are, what their content should be, and probably what will need to go there every week. It's not simple, as so much is not simple, but I would expect that anyone who can use MS-Word can use MS-Publisher if they're using a template to fill it in. Creating something from scratch is something else entirely, as it's darned hard to do complex visual layout when you can't see. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 The color of truth is grey. ~ André Gide
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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Well Brian, all I can say is every publisher document I have ever tried to read has been impossible to access.
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Could you give more details about how one uses it with a screen reader, or point us to a resource?
Stating I'm wrong is fine, but a bit more detail would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Richard
Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
On Aug 19, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
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On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 08:14 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
It is not possible. It is all graphicsAbsolutely, positively incorrect. MS-Publisher is every bit as accessible as any of the other Office Suite programs are. It is far and away not "all graphics." It's Microsoft's desktop publishing program, which does vary somewhat from a word processor. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 The color of truth is grey. ~ André Gide
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Re: NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 07:59 PM, Gene wrote:
https://superuser.com/questions/944995/how-to-delete-mail-from-server-after-download-with-imap-using-thunderbirdAnd, as the correct answer says: If you are using IMAP (according to your updated question) then this is not possible. It's not how IMAP works. IMAP is designed to communicate with a central server where all your mail is stored. And, with that, I'm declaring this topic closed, as it has long ago strayed from anything directly NVDA related. And what's been offered strongly suggests factors idiosyncratic to individual practices, not NVDA. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 The color of truth is grey. ~ André Gide
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Re: NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird
Luke Davis
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019, David Csercsics wrote:
phone, I wouldn't care, and just use pop3, but I don't believe iOS supports that.It most certainly does, it's just not the default. POP is a dieing protocol that is not generally considered useful in a world with multiple devices accessing the same mail seamlessly. It makes more sense to keep the mail on the server, rather than downloading it to an individual device so it is no longer available to download on others. There are schemes involving "leave mail on server", and setting expiration times, and such, that make multi device support work with POP, but I've seen people get into weird situations (usually double mail) doing that sort of thing and mixing multiple email applications, so I generally wouldn't advise it. Especially since IMAP is available, and usually works seamlessly across all devices: delete it on one, it goes away from all, unless you use a trash folder or archive folder such as with gmail. But POP is not dead yet, and anything major still supports it, including iOS Mail. Luke |
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Re: NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird
Brian Sackrider
I went in to general and I tabed through it and I don't find mail time there.
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On 8/19/2019 6:02 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Tb and NVDA has had trouble with each other for the longest time. What I am doing to get around this is to up the check mail time. This can be found in Tools>options>general>customize>"Show new mail alerts for". The default check mail frequency is 60 seconds. I have mine set to 1200 seconds which is 20 minutes. Sluggishness still does occur, but at least the frequency is cut down a little. Cheers! |
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Arlene
Oh no Rich:sory you lost your sight. Thanks. They don’t want to use word. I don’t have it on this new laptop. I had it on my 7 box witch bit the dust! Thanks.
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Sent: August 19, 2019 5:10 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] publisher
Good eveing, Before I lost my sight I used to do graphic design and use publisher. No being blind I would think it would be pretty difficult to use it. Most of the page layout programs are graphical environments and rely on pointing and clicking, But I could be wong no adays. You might be able to get away with using Microsoft word, which is more of a word processor, but now I am just spitballing. Hope this helps or if I can be of any more assistance, Please just ask. Rich
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Hi list. Can blind people use a program called publisher? The reason I am asking this. I want to volunteer at my local church. However, the office staff uses publisher. I do have a laptop with both Jaws and NVDA both latest builds. Same with windows ten. If it can be done how does a blind person work publisher? Thanks and have a good day.
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Re: NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird
Luke Davis
Gmail prefers to move deleted mail to "archive". It is usually an option in the mail software, to tell it you want deleting rather than archiving. For example, for the iOS mail app, this is under the settings app, the mail section for that account, advansed, mailbox behaviors: switch delete to trash from archive.
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On Mon, 19 Aug 2019, David Csercsics wrote:
How do you delete all the mail you don't need in gmail. I have the problem here that I have a lot of old stuff in all mail that I don't need, because apparently gmail doesn't actually delete things when you press the delete button. So how do you get rid of that. The website doesn't seem to have an efficient way to select a lot of mail. Thunderbird seems to still have mail that I'd press delete on long ago. |
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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
It is not possible. It is all graphics.
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Later,
Richard
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On Aug 19, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io <rmkuzma@...> wrote:
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Good eveing, Before I lost my sight I used to do graphic design and use publisher. No being blind I would think it would be pretty difficult to use it. Most of the page layout programs are graphical environments and rely on pointing and clicking, But I could be wong no adays. You might be able to get away with using Microsoft word, which is more of a word processor, but now I am just spitballing. Hope this helps or if I can be of any more assistance, Please just ask. Rich
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 8:05 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] publisher
Hi list. Can blind people use a program called publisher? The reason I am asking this. I want to volunteer at my local church. However, the office staff uses publisher. I do have a laptop with both Jaws and NVDA both latest builds. Same with windows ten. If it can be done how does a blind person work publisher? Thanks and have a good day.
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Arlene
Hi list. Can blind people use a program called publisher? The reason I am asking this. I want to volunteer at my local church. However, the office staff uses publisher. I do have a laptop with both Jaws and NVDA both latest builds. Same with windows ten. If it can be done how does a blind person work publisher? Thanks and have a good day.
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Re: NVDA Still Sluggish in Thunderbird
Well, ust to troubleshoot I could try and restart with that add on turned off, and see where that gets me, although I'm not sure. I'll tke a look lter when I'm done doing what I'm dong. Take care all. And hope that helps the posters who also are having issues. I'll send logs to if tBird woll want to work. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
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Gene
I forgot to include the link:
Gene
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From: Gene
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Thunderbird This discussion appears to have good information,
though I'm not familiar enough with the site to say more than it appears to me
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Gene
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From: David Csercsics
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Still Sluggish in
Thunderbird messages from the server. They stay in all mail. If I didn't sometimes get mail on my phone, I wouldn't care, and just use pop3, but I don't believe iOS supports that. |
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Gene
This discussion appears to have good information,
though I'm not familiar enough with the site to say more than it appears to me
to have good information.
Gene
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From: David Csercsics
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Still Sluggish in
Thunderbird messages from the server. They stay in all mail. If I didn't sometimes get mail on my phone, I wouldn't care, and just use pop3, but I don't believe iOS supports that. |
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No no all of this in in total. Hmm, good point though and I dunno how to check for that. Take care and blessings. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 19 Aug 2019, at 15:15, Luke Davis wrote:
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