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Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

 

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 08:43 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi brian,  Also this NFB page you linked to
Just want to note that was not me, but Jonathan Cohn.  Credit where credit is due.
 
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Re: NVDA and Jarte

Dave <dlh007@...>
 

I use the Purchased edition of Jarte', and I don't believe I had to
adjust anything inside of Jarte' or NVDA.

There may be a Screen Reader mode, but I think it switches itself on
after the second running of jarte'.

Jarte' is a great small Word Processor. I only wish we could easily
save and Read files in a later MS Word Format.

Grumpy Dave


Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

enes sarıbaş
 

hi brian,

Also this NFB page you linked to, describes an associate professor in linguistics.

https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm13/bm1302/bm130211.htm


On 11/28/2018 1:34 AM, enes sarıbaş via Groups.Io wrote:
hi brian,
I did my undergrad in language teaching, and was exempt from the transcriptions, only just pronouncing the sounds directly, which seemed fair. However, I feel this might not have been a good idea, as  I am currently doing a masters at Cambridge, and can't get much out of the phonological theory course,  as even the instructor acknowledges that some theories, such as autosegment, or geometric phonology are visual. I definitely don't want to skimp on the understanding of the phonological theories  as a potential professor,  I don't want to have defesits in my knowledge of linguistics in any field.
On 11/28/2018 1:24 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If you want my serious recommendation it would be to have a sit-down with your department head, and any other faculty in your program, and ask them their opinion as to a path through a linguistics degree, particularly an advanced one, without phonetic transcription being a big part of it.

I have to believe there is a path through, though I would imagine it would involve a specifically designed undergraduate path as well as a clear idea as to what your graduate focus will be and that it not involve phonetics (transcription directly, not an understanding of, which of course you'll have).

They are in a far better place to give you informed opinion, and the direct assistance with program design that you'll need, than I can.  There's nothing wrong with reasonable accommodations in academic pursuit, particularly if your desired area of specialty does not rely on an area of study that's not essential to it in any meaningful sense.
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Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

enes sarıbaş
 

hi brian,
I did my undergrad in language teaching, and was exempt from the transcriptions, only just pronouncing the sounds directly, which seemed fair. However, I feel this might not have been a good idea, as  I am currently doing a masters at Cambridge, and can't get much out of the phonological theory course,  as even the instructor acknowledges that some theories, such as autosegment, or geometric phonology are visual. I definitely don't want to skimp on the understanding of the phonological theories  as a potential professor,  I don't want to have defesits in my knowledge of linguistics in any field.

On 11/28/2018 1:24 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If you want my serious recommendation it would be to have a sit-down with your department head, and any other faculty in your program, and ask them their opinion as to a path through a linguistics degree, particularly an advanced one, without phonetic transcription being a big part of it.

I have to believe there is a path through, though I would imagine it would involve a specifically designed undergraduate path as well as a clear idea as to what your graduate focus will be and that it not involve phonetics (transcription directly, not an understanding of, which of course you'll have).

They are in a far better place to give you informed opinion, and the direct assistance with program design that you'll need, than I can.  There's nothing wrong with reasonable accommodations in academic pursuit, particularly if your desired area of specialty does not rely on an area of study that's not essential to it in any meaningful sense.
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Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

 

If you want my serious recommendation it would be to have a sit-down with your department head, and any other faculty in your program, and ask them their opinion as to a path through a linguistics degree, particularly an advanced one, without phonetic transcription being a big part of it.

I have to believe there is a path through, though I would imagine it would involve a specifically designed undergraduate path as well as a clear idea as to what your graduate focus will be and that it not involve phonetics (transcription directly, not an understanding of, which of course you'll have).

They are in a far better place to give you informed opinion, and the direct assistance with program design that you'll need, than I can.  There's nothing wrong with reasonable accommodations in academic pursuit, particularly if your desired area of specialty does not rely on an area of study that's not essential to it in any meaningful sense.
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Outlook saying blank

Mark <mark@...>
 

Hi if I use my errow down to read a email it keeps saying blankBlank as I errow down
Is there a way of stopping this
Mark.


Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

enes sarıbaş
 

hi Brian,,

So what do you recommend I do? I really like the field, and my research will likely not be primarily in phonetics. I also really want to get an advanced degree in linguistics.


On 11/27/2018 8:58 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
John, you wrote, in part: "There's nothing about sight that makes you look at an 's'
with a mark under it and immediately go "ah yes, that's the 'sh' sound,
as in English 'ship"! You learn that when you learn the IPA." Indeed, that is true. You also wrote, "Now, maybe it's harder because nobody bothered to name the IPA characters."

               Bingo, and the character names are just a mess.   I think that most speakers of English get that "shingle", spelled s h i n g l e, where each character has a single syllable name, much more easily than Esh, small capital I, n, lowercase script g, l

               I certainly never looked at the word shingle, phonetically transcribed, and ever thought about the characters in the way I do when reading text.  Perhaps I'm odd.  But I would no sooner condemn someone to work with phonetic transcription who's blind, and expect ease and proficiency, than I'd expect them to fly to the moon using their arms as propulsion.  And I'll be the first to admit that there are plenty of sighted who never get the hang of the IPA, either.  And heaven forbid you're going to deal with phonetics across languages, some of which take forever [if ever] to retrain the ear to even hear (or the brain to process) when those are not linguistically significant sounds in your first language, then having to put those down on paper in the IPA!  Thanks, but no thanks.

               But, to each his or her own.  Some people like challenges that I'd sooner avoid.
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Re: Is anyone having trouble with the kindel reading app?

Annette Moore
 

You could always use QRead. I've only used Kindle for PC to actually read a book once or twice, and that was before I purchased QRead. the only thing I do now with Kindle for PC is to open the program so the book can be downloaded or recognized there or whatever it does, then I convert the book with a program called Codex. It's a couple of extra steps, but it works. that's annoying, though, I know, for a program to have worked properly one day, and the next for it to just flop on you. Hope you can find some answers and a resolution.

Annette

On 11/27/2018 3:14 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yesterday, the kindle app suddenly became nearly unusable.  It only reads a paragraph or so at a time before going busy when in read all mode, and if I try reading line by line with the arrow keys, the same thing happens, only at random intervals, and although eventually, the app does begin responding again, sometimes, it takes more than a minute to do so.  Absolutely nothing has changed on my machine between the day before yesterday when it worked just fine, and yesterday when it started behaving like this.  I'm guessing kindle did an update (as it tends to do from time to time without telling anyone it's going to do so), and that's the cause of the troubles, but I'd be curious if anyone else is experiencing this problem.  I use kindle unlimited to read a lot of my books, so this is a major show stopper for me.  I can of course use the IOS version of the app, and read the books that way, but sometimes I just want to use the computer for convenience.



NVDA and Jarte

Don H
 

Is there any particular settings to make Jarte work weil with NVDA?


Re: Audio Output

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt re-installing NVDA would solve the problem. It sounds like what you might need is an updated sound driver. Call the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk at 800-936-5900. They helped me out with this last year when I had a similar issue after upgrading. 
It'll be helpful if you know the brand name of your sound card. Mine is Realtek. I don't remember where I found this information, but it's probably somewhere in your sound settings. Good luck. 
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Re: A couple of small annoyances.

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Max,

Since everyone else has had plenty to say on the pronunciation issue, I'll tackle the opening files in Word part.

Firstly, I would say, please don't assume that something is a small thing that we may not think is worth fixing - much more likely, either no-one noticed, or as I sometimes do - someone noticed it, but wasn't in a position to record it at the time, and then forgot.  I started writing this issue and reply up yesterday and then got caught up with something else, and just remembered it now.

So, I have now written up an issue on GitHub: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8987

Feel free to subscribe to that issue, or to add anything I forgot.

Regards

Quentin.



On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 5:07 AM MAX <max@...> wrote:
I recognize that these are small things that the developers may not think
are important enough to fix.  Here goes anyway.  When I am opening a file
in word I press control O and then tab twice.  Nvda says recently opened
files.  You haven't opened any files recently.  This was not unexpected the
first time I opened a file after installing nvda.  However, I use word
every day and the message continues.  At first it was a laugh, then a smile
and now it's I wish it wouldn't do that.  Another thing is the
pronunciation   of s o u r c e.  In the united states source rhymes with
horse not with farce as nvda pronounces it.  I have tried to fix it in the
dictionary but when I replace the h in horse with an s it goes back to the
rhyme with farce.   Well, I guess that's just the way it is.


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lag with MS Word

Don H
 

I have noticed some lag in NVDA voicing the keys pressed while in MS Word. This is happening on a Win 10 1809 system with both the latest released version of NVDA and with the latest 2018-4 beta 2.
Is anyone else experiencing this issue?
It does not happen with Jaws 2019 and Narrator. Changing speech syns doesn't help either.


Re: whatsapp desktop help

 

It can work on windows 7 yes. I'm not the person to ask though because I never could get it to work enough to where I could log in. I may give the windows client another shot. I used to use it through Miranda NG but the developer stopped developing the Miranda NG whatsapp protocol. Anyway, I hope someone can help.


Re: books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

Gaylen Kapperman
 

I agree wholeheartedly! That would be illegal and unethical!!
Gaylen Kapperman

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

Hi,

If they do Email it you for free, it's illegal. Remember, the author does have to make a living.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward
Sent: 26 November 2018 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

Hello. I would like to buy the two books about NVDA but they are kind of pricey maybe email them to me if you can on the blind.training or it is called access technology institute website. One is about the NVDA screen reader which goes for 95 dollars that mainly talks about the entire screen reader guess from what I have read it walks you through everything the only thing I don't know when it was written. Does any one have a copy that could email it to me for free? The other one is about windows 10 using nvda it sounds like it is a good book to get it talks about the entire system but what I don't get is when you first get a new computer that has windows 10 it does not have word installed and in the book it mentions and walks you through windows 10 and one of the lessons is managing and saving documents mentions word plus there are several lessons about microsoft word. It is good but I just want a book mainly about windows 10 minus the stuff about word. The book does cost around
150 dollars it sounds like a good resource was wondering has anyone bought the books from the website and how good are they? I would also like a copy of the book as well if anyone has that could they email that to me? The books are an immersion in to NVDA

The other one is an immersion in to windows 10 with NVDA. Thank you.
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FW: [nvda-addons] Github and NVDA issues

 

Hi,

A valuable reminder, I think. Thanks.

 

From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 1:22 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: info@...
Subject: [nvda-addons] Github and NVDA issues

 

Dear all,

 

after months of activity in this community I have discovered a lot of interesting discussions and opinions in Github when looking through several NVDA issues which are open since more than 5 years. And as most of you might already know, there are over 2250 issues open at this time. Unfortunately there are a lot of discussions which are not updated. There are a lot of issues which actually are solved or propably solved but are still open. Many people in this list created different issues related to NVDA on Github. But at the same time, many people did not care about those issues and they did not test if they still occur with last NVDA versions.

 

I would like to encourage you all who created issues on Github: please answer our questions on Github when we comment on your issues. If you are not using the old software that you created issues for, please take 10 minutes of your life and installt the last version and try to reproduce the issue again. Please comment on your issues and tell us if it is reproducible or not. I can talk at least for myself, I spend sometime hours to restart discussions on old issues or to try to get answers from involved people. But most of them do not react. This is indeed frustrating because in one or two years someone else will ask the same questions and in the end we will have far too much issues which are just noise or low quality.

 

This message is also for all developers who are or were involved in old issues. Please take some minutes and continue discussions or answer our questions when we try to decide how to deal with a certain issue. This helps us to decide if issues can be closed or not.

 

The issue page for NVDA on github is very overloaded and this makes it also very difficult to atribute certain pull requests to certain issues. Let us work together and transform the quantity of issues in quality. This will make it easier for developers to see where they can work for. For users, a better overview will lead to less duplicate issues and to less frustration.

 

 

Thank you very much for your attention.

 

 

Best regards

Adriani

 

 


Re: Audio Output

Ralph Boersema
 

I think you're right. I understand that this would be a matter of how NVDA is handling them. So, what if I try uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA? How do I best approach this, so as to keep the same configurations, if possible?

Warmly,
Ralph

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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 11:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio Output

That cut off is a sound driver issue. Its been mentioned here before. I suspect you are suffering from the driver problems I seem to remember somebody saying that an add on that pretends to play a silent sound all the time fixes the unmute too late issues on these silly drivers.
As for the rest, well, I still suspect its drivers myself.
Brian

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From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@refmail.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio Output


Thanks! This did not work. However, I now have something more weird. By
selecting the laptop speakers, NVDA ouputs through logitech headset (but it
cuts off the initial letters of words ). Still more weird, it now sends the
system sounds out through the speakers.

The headset is Logitech H820E,.

Warmly,
Ralph

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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 2:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio Output

In my experience Windows 10 sound is a bit of a mess. All I can suggest is
to alter the settings for nvda to the speakers, save the settings, then
restart nvda and try to reselect the headphones. It could be for some odd
reason that the new headphones are being held onto as the old ones by nvda.
Now do not ask me why the other sounds switched cos I'm as confused as you
are but it worked for somebody elses machine I was having the problem with.
Its mega weird.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 2:23 AM
Subject: [nvda] Audio Output


Dear Friends,



Today I replaced my headset (Logitech H820E) with a new one of the same
kind. First it worked well. Then I restarted NVDA and the NVDA output
switched to the laptop speakers. The system sounds still output through the
headset, but NVDA does not. All the sound device settings that we could find
are correct. The NVDA setting under preferences for sound output is set to
the headphone as desired. Nevertheless the NVDA output comes through the
laptop speakers and not the headset. I am using Windows 10.



Any suggestions?



Warmly,

Ralph


Github and NVDA issues

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

after months of activity in this community I have discovered a lot of interesting discussions and opinions in Github when looking through several NVDA issues which are open since more than 5 years. And as most of you might already know, there are over 2250 issues open at this time. Unfortunately there are a lot of discussions which are not updated. There are a lot of issues which actually are solved or propably solved but are still open. Many people in this list created different issues related to NVDA on Github. But at the same time, many people did not care about those issues and they did not test if they still occur with last NVDA versions.

 

I would like to encourage you all who created issues on Github: please answer our questions on Github when we comment on your issues. If you are not using the old software that you created issues for, please take 10 minutes of your life and installt the last version and try to reproduce the issue again. Please comment on your issues and tell us if it is reproducible or not. I can talk at least for myself, I spend sometime hours to restart discussions on old issues or to try to get answers from involved people. But most of them do not react. This is indeed frustrating because in one or two years someone else will ask the same questions and in the end we will have far too much issues which are just noise or low quality.

 

This message is also for all developers who are or were involved in old issues. Please take some minutes and continue discussions or answer our questions when we try to decide how to deal with a certain issue. This helps us to decide if issues can be closed or not.

 

The issue page for NVDA on github is very overloaded and this makes it also very difficult to atribute certain pull requests to certain issues. Let us work together and transform the quantity of issues in quality. This will make it easier for developers to see where they can work for. For users, a better overview will lead to less duplicate issues and to less frustration.

 

 

Thank you very much for your attention.

 

 

Best regards

Adriani

 

 


Is anyone having trouble with the kindel reading app?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Yesterday, the kindle app suddenly became nearly unusable.  It only reads a paragraph or so at a time before going busy when in read all mode, and if I try reading line by line with the arrow keys, the same thing happens, only at random intervals, and although eventually, the app does begin responding again, sometimes, it takes more than a minute to do so.  Absolutely nothing has changed on my machine between the day before yesterday when it worked just fine, and yesterday when it started behaving like this.  I'm guessing kindle did an update (as it tends to do from time to time without telling anyone it's going to do so), and that's the cause of the troubles, but I'd be curious if anyone else is experiencing this problem.  I use kindle unlimited to read a lot of my books, so this is a major show stopper for me.  I can of course use the IOS version of the app, and read the books that way, but sometimes I just want to use the computer for convenience.


Re: Urgent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

 

Sorry all, that was intended as a private message and I missed the Private button again.

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Re: Urgent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

 

Enes,

           If there is any way I can help that won't result in either one of us wanting to kill the other don't hesitate to ask (or at least be willing to walk away without animus if we determine that "something simple" really wasn't).

           Unfortunately, I understand as entirely as I can as a sighted person what you've gotten yourself into.  I can remember taking my clinical phonetics class and watching many of my classmates struggle mightily with it, and that's when they could see the transcriptions and not even have to care about what the name of the characters used in the transcriptions were.  Letter by letter IPA reading could take weeks to get through a couple of sentences just due to the complicated character names.  Having to remember a long sequence of those afterward would have driven me crazy!
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