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Re: NVDA Comparative tutorial with JAWS

Mani Iyer
 

Hello Gene,
Thank you again for this tutorial. I have a question about the review modes. What is the reason for having two key combinations( NVDA + Numpad*7 and NNVDA + umpad*1) to get previous and next review modes when you can have one key combination to cycle through the available review modes?

Warmly,
Mani


On Feb 25, 2022, at 2:19 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Screen review is much more simple and easy to explain than object navigation.


You are moving around the screen, the same screen that a sighted person sees and you can move to what is on the screen. 


In object review, you can move to information not shown on screen.  to give one example, if you open a large document in a word processor, the entire document is one object.  Using object navigation, you can move through the entire document.  In screen review, you can only move through what is being displayed on the screen.


I am using desktop commands in this discussion.  I don't know the laptop commands.  Others may wish to give them.


To enter screen review, use the command numpad insert numpad 7.  You may have to use it more than once, depending on if you are someplace where document review is active.  Issue it until you hear screen review.

If you are already in screen review, you will hear no next review mode.

Once you are finished in review mode, don't forget to return to object navigation.  The command is numpad insert numpad 1.  Issue it until you hear object review.  If you try to move further you will hear, no previous review mode.


The following commands are used in review mode.  If there are any others, I am not aware of them.

those interested may want to check the user guide or quick reference guide or other sources but the following commands are either all or almost all of them.


Note the pattern in the following commands:

Numpad 7.  Move to and say the previous line.

Numpad 8, say the current line.

Numpad 9 move to and say the next line.

I've shortened the descriptions of the following commands in the list because the information I've removed is redundant and applies to all of them.


Numpad 4, previous word.  Numpad 5, current word, Numpad 6 next word.

Numpad 1 previous character.

Numpad 2 current character.

Numpad 3 next character.

Shift numpad 7 moves you to the top of the screen.  Shift numpad 9 moves you to the end.


If you press the say current keys quickly more than once, different behaviors will occur.

Pressing numpad 8 quickly twice spells the entire current line.  Pressing three times says every letter in the current line using the phonetic words for the letterss.  For example, gulf for g, kilo  for k. 

Numpad five when pressed twice spells the current word.  Three times says the phonetic word for every letter in the word.

Numpad 2 pressed twice gives the phonetic word for the current letter.  three times gives the decimal or hexidecimal values.


You can move the mouse to your current position in screen review.  To do so, use the command numpad insert numpad slash. 

Left click the mouse with just numpad slash.  Right click it with numpad star, immediately to the right of numpad slash.  This is the same as opening the context menu from the keyboard.


While screen review is still used, it is not useful in a lot of applications where it used to be.  Because of technical changes in Windows 10, also in Windows 11, it can't be used in many contexts where it could before.  You won't be able to move.


Gene

On 2/24/2022 8:16 PM, Ketan Kothari wrote:

Dear Jean,

 

In that case, Could you briefly explain the concept of screen review?  Preferably with an example?  Sorry for troubling you but that will be of immense help to me.

 

With best wishes,

 

Ketan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Comparative tutorial with JAWS

 

I don't think a comparative tutorial explaining how to use both screen-readers is necessary.  I think it should be done in instructional material to point out that screen review in NVDA, for example, is similar to usin g the JAWS cursor in what it does and that you use the numpad for screen-review in NVDA while in JAWS you use the navigation commands you use while in the PC cursor.  If the person knows the JAWS cursor, he will understand what is being said.  If not, it won't matter.  The point is that the person learn screen .review and what it is using NVDA.

 

The same is true for object navigation.

 

And speaking of object navigation, I just did a tutorial on object navigation whhich I sent to the list a number  of days ago.  I found one very minor mistake in describing a dialog being worked with and another minor mistake.  I'll correct them and send the tutorial again.  I'll explain the error and lack of clarification in detail when I send the tutorial again.  The mistakes are minor and may not affect anyone's understanding, who has used the tutorial so far, but they should be corrected. 

 

Gene

On 2/24/2022 3:47 AM, Ketan Kothari wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

Has anyone tried producing a comparative tutorial of NVDA with JAWS.  What I mean is that there are some concepts such JAWS cursor, PC cursor etc. in JAWS and object navigation in NVDA.  How does one use either in a given situation?  I think this will also help in increasing usage of NVDA.  Please help.

 

With best wishes,

 

Ketan

 

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Re: time built-in command

Robert Cole
 

Hi,
Is this a laptop?
If on the desktop, will alt+F4 bring up the shut down menu?
If not, It seems that you have activated the function key mode.
Press function insert F12 to see if it tells the time.

On Feb 25, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:

All of a sudden, doing NVDA plus f12 tells me the volume level; not the time and date. I ran the NVDA repair program but that didn't fix it Need I reinstall NVDA?


Howard







Re: time built-in command

 

Have you followed The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues?

You need to eliminate the possible involvement of add-ons, among other things.

You do not say whether you've restarted your machine, and I do mean using the Restart power option, or any of several other preliminary diagnostic steps.  You need to go through those before it can be determined whether NVDA itself has "gone wonky" or if something else may have.
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time built-in command

Howard Traxler
 

All of a sudden, doing NVDA plus f12 tells me the volume level; not the time and date.  I ran the NVDA repair program but that didn't fix it  Need I reinstall NVDA?


Howard


Re: facing issue with eloquence for SAPI

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Abhijit,

It sounds like your registration has been corrupt somehow. Either that or the database which Eloquence connects to is somehow down or not functioning. Usually an e-mail to the manufacturers will correct this.



On 2/25/2022 2:35 AM, Abhijit Kasbe wrote:
Hello all!
I am using eloquence for SAPI so , I am facing issue while playing audio games where SAPI is available.
the issue is that , whenever i do select eloquence from the game i do get message "please register the product" at the same time it works with NVDA,narrator and jaws.
i had raised this query to code factory but their answers did not solved the issue.
another thing if you switch speech rate check box check then you dont get chance to change the speed from the NVDA setting so , is it okay to use with inline speed? or by default.

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facing issue with eloquence for SAPI

Abhijit Kasbe <abhijitkasbe78@...>
 

Hello all!
I am using eloquence for SAPI so , I am facing issue while playing audio games where SAPI is available.
the issue is that , whenever i do select eloquence from the game i do get message "please register the product" at the same time it works with NVDA,narrator and jaws.
i had raised this query to code factory but their answers did not solved the issue.
another thing if you switch speech rate check box check then you dont get chance to change the speed from the NVDA setting so , is it okay to use with inline speed? or by default.

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Re: OCR with nvda

Aravind R
 
Edited

if a scanner can convert paper into jpeg images or pdf in PC through
softwares like abby fine reader, then NVDA enhanced OCR addon can
convert that into text.
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Re: NVDA Comparative tutorial with JAWS

Gene
 

Screen review is much more simple and easy to explain than object navigation.


You are moving around the screen, the same screen that a sighted person sees and you can move to what is on the screen. 


In object review, you can move to information not shown on screen.  to give one example, if you open a large document in a word processor, the entire document is one object.  Using object navigation, you can move through the entire document.  In screen review, you can only move through what is being displayed on the screen.


I am using desktop commands in this discussion.  I don't know the laptop commands.  Others may wish to give them.


To enter screen review, use the command numpad insert numpad 7.  You may have to use it more than once, depending on if you are someplace where document review is active.  Issue it until you hear screen review.

If you are already in screen review, you will hear no next review mode.

Once you are finished in review mode, don't forget to return to object navigation.  The command is numpad insert numpad 1.  Issue it until you hear object review.  If you try to move further you will hear, no previous review mode.


The following commands are used in review mode.  If there are any others, I am not aware of them.

those interested may want to check the user guide or quick reference guide or other sources but the following commands are either all or almost all of them.


Note the pattern in the following commands:

Numpad 7.  Move to and say the previous line.

Numpad 8, say the current line.

Numpad 9 move to and say the next line.

I've shortened the descriptions of the following commands in the list because the information I've removed is redundant and applies to all of them.


Numpad 4, previous word.  Numpad 5, current word, Numpad 6 next word.

Numpad 1 previous character.

Numpad 2 current character.

Numpad 3 next character.

Shift numpad 7 moves you to the top of the screen.  Shift numpad 9 moves you to the end.


If you press the say current keys quickly more than once, different behaviors will occur.

Pressing numpad 8 quickly twice spells the entire current line.  Pressing three times says every letter in the current line using the phonetic words for the letterss.  For example, gulf for g, kilo  for k. 

Numpad five when pressed twice spells the current word.  Three times says the phonetic word for every letter in the word.

Numpad 2 pressed twice gives the phonetic word for the current letter.  three times gives the decimal or hexidecimal values.


You can move the mouse to your current position in screen review.  To do so, use the command numpad insert numpad slash. 

Left click the mouse with just numpad slash.  Right click it with numpad star, immediately to the right of numpad slash.  This is the same as opening the context menu from the keyboard.


While screen review is still used, it is not useful in a lot of applications where it used to be.  Because of technical changes in Windows 10, also in Windows 11, it can't be used in many contexts where it could before.  You won't be able to move.


Gene

On 2/24/2022 8:16 PM, Ketan Kothari wrote:

Dear Jean,

 

In that case, Could you briefly explain the concept of screen review?  Preferably with an example?  Sorry for troubling you but that will be of immense help to me.

 

With best wishes,

 

Ketan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Comparative tutorial with JAWS

 

I don't think a comparative tutorial explaining how to use both screen-readers is necessary.  I think it should be done in instructional material to point out that screen review in NVDA, for example, is similar to usin g the JAWS cursor in what it does and that you use the numpad for screen-review in NVDA while in JAWS you use the navigation commands you use while in the PC cursor.  If the person knows the JAWS cursor, he will understand what is being said.  If not, it won't matter.  The point is that the person learn screen .review and what it is using NVDA.

 

The same is true for object navigation.

 

And speaking of object navigation, I just did a tutorial on object navigation whhich I sent to the list a number  of days ago.  I found one very minor mistake in describing a dialog being worked with and another minor mistake.  I'll correct them and send the tutorial again.  I'll explain the error and lack of clarification in detail when I send the tutorial again.  The mistakes are minor and may not affect anyone's understanding, who has used the tutorial so far, but they should be corrected. 

 

Gene

On 2/24/2022 3:47 AM, Ketan Kothari wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

Has anyone tried producing a comparative tutorial of NVDA with JAWS.  What I mean is that there are some concepts such JAWS cursor, PC cursor etc. in JAWS and object navigation in NVDA.  How does one use either in a given situation?  I think this will also help in increasing usage of NVDA.  Please help.

 

With best wishes,

 

Ketan

 

Ketan Kothari

Mob: +919987550614

Mob:  +917021054612

Twitter: twitter.com/muktaketan

Facebook: muktaketan@...

 


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

 

Downloadable tutorial:  Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On
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Re: OCR with nvda

 

The answer is "Yes and no."

You don't do the OCR itself with NVDA, as the built-in OCR feature of NVDA is meant for dealing with information on-screen.

But NVDA can be used to interface with OCR software, these days often a part of what comes with a flatbed scanner, multifunction machine, or OCR camera.  I don't know what your office situation is/would be like, but there have been office "copy machines" capable of OCR processing book-length material that can be fed through the document feeder.  (You can do it by hand, too, but that's impractical beyond so many pages.)
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        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


OCR with nvda

Jay <jcoffin@...>
 

Hi. I’m wondering if there’s a way to OCR with NVDA such as papers and other things beside windows itself? Any help on this would be greatly appreciated as I need to find a reliable screen reader for work.

Thanks.


Re: NVDA Comparative tutorial with JAWS

Ketan Kothari
 

Dear Jean,

 

In that case, Could you briefly explain the concept of screen review?  Preferably with an example?  Sorry for troubling you but that will be of immense help to me.

 

With best wishes,

 

Ketan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Comparative tutorial with JAWS

 

I don't think a comparative tutorial explaining how to use both screen-readers is necessary.  I think it should be done in instructional material to point out that screen review in NVDA, for example, is similar to usin g the JAWS cursor in what it does and that you use the numpad for screen-review in NVDA while in JAWS you use the navigation commands you use while in the PC cursor.  If the person knows the JAWS cursor, he will understand what is being said.  If not, it won't matter.  The point is that the person learn screen .review and what it is using NVDA.

 

The same is true for object navigation.

 

And speaking of object navigation, I just did a tutorial on object navigation whhich I sent to the list a number  of days ago.  I found one very minor mistake in describing a dialog being worked with and another minor mistake.  I'll correct them and send the tutorial again.  I'll explain the error and lack of clarification in detail when I send the tutorial again.  The mistakes are minor and may not affect anyone's understanding, who has used the tutorial so far, but they should be corrected. 

 

Gene

On 2/24/2022 3:47 AM, Ketan Kothari wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

Has anyone tried producing a comparative tutorial of NVDA with JAWS.  What I mean is that there are some concepts such JAWS cursor, PC cursor etc. in JAWS and object navigation in NVDA.  How does one use either in a given situation?  I think this will also help in increasing usage of NVDA.  Please help.

 

With best wishes,

 

Ketan

 

Ketan Kothari

Mob: +919987550614

Mob:  +917021054612

Twitter: twitter.com/muktaketan

Facebook: muktaketan@...

 


Re: NVDA Comparative tutorial with JAWS

Quentin Christensen
 

That earlier link seemed to go round about and I believe was trying to get you here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA

That is our Switching from Jaws to NVDA guide and is what I would recommend for a Jaws user wanting to learn NVDA

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 4:36 AM Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@...> wrote:

Hi,


This book may be the closest thing to what you're asking about.  It was written by one of our fellow list comrades. 


http://carroll.org/the%20windows%20screen%20reader%20primer/


tony

On 2/24/2022 4:47 AM, Ketan Kothari wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

Has anyone tried producing a comparative tutorial of NVDA with JAWS.  What I mean is that there are some concepts such JAWS cursor, PC cursor etc. in JAWS and object navigation in NVDA.  How does one use either in a given situation?  I think this will also help in increasing usage of NVDA.  Please help.

 

With best wishes,

 

Ketan

 

Ketan Kothari

Mob: +919987550614

Mob:  +917021054612

Twitter: twitter.com/muktaketan

Facebook: muktaketan@...

 



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Re: A very slightly revised object navigation tutorial

Gene
 

Thank you. 


Gene

On 2/24/2022 5:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 06:01 PM, Gene wrote:
If anyone who hosts tutorials developed by various people wishes, its fine with me if they host this one.  People might find it who visit the site and are looking around.
-
Gene,

I'm already doing this for your object navigation tutorial and have already snagged the text you posted this morning and replaced the existing text.  When I agree to do this for anyone, I will keep the document updated.  But, I do prefer that the updates are sent directly to me so that I am absolutely certain I've seen them and get the update done.  Then the only thing that the author or I need to post is the direct link (which does not change) to the tutorial download.

I long ago learned that tutorials may remain static for a long while, but invariably something absolutely will need to be updated as Windows itself or application software gets changed.  It's just so much easier to keep a single, hosted source and have that be the only thing that gets updated and the only thing offered to the public.

Here, again, is the downloadable version of your Object Navigation Tutorial, with the latest update date of today noted at the top of the document - Using Object Navigation in NVDA - G. Asner.

 

If someone has downloaded one earlier, I had not put a "last update" date at the top because there had not been any.  So the one that has that line with today's date at the top has the text you posted this morning.
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locked Re: Admin's Note: Community Letter #adminnotice

 

This topic is now locked.

I will make clear that specific religious proselytizing of any sort, I don't care for what religion, will not be allowed on this list.  It is not now, and never will be appropriate.

And saying, "You're in my prayers," is not specific religious proselytizing.
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locked Re: Admin's Note: Community Letter #adminnotice

Arlene
 

Me  here: I too am praying for this.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: February 24, 2022 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Note: Community Letter #adminnotice

 

Hi, Matthew,

 

I too am praying for peace in the Ucrane. My heart goes out to those poor people in that nation.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 2/24/2022 1:18 PM, matthew dyer wrote:

Hi,

 

 

Amen!  Prair is something that we need at this point.  Ucrane is a Christion nation.  I pray that god will bring  piece to all invaulved. 

 

Matthew

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 1:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Note: Community Letter #adminnotice

 

All I have to say about all this. Putan and all of our world leaders need to be saved by the blood of Jesus Christ the only begotten son of my papa God. Ban me off this list if you wish.

On 2/24/2022 1:33 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:

Leaving the logic of the sides, we should understand the origin of this war, analyzing it, understanding it, starting, for example, with some questions.
Where was the West when children lived in basements in the Donbass villages?  Where was it in the summer of 2014, when the Donetsk and Lugansk regions were subjected to air raids or on May 2, when the Nazis of Pravy Sektor carried out the slaughter in the Odessa House of Syndicates, breaking bones and burning alive those who demonstrated for a federal system in Donbass?  Where was it  when the leader of a party with the Nazi wolf tooth emblem became president of the Ukrainian parliament?

I am against war and imperialism, from both sides. I wish peace and cooperation amongst all populations. 

Angela from Italy

 

Il 24/02/2022 16:26, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:

Hello everyone,

 

First, if you are in or around the Ukraine, you are in my thoughts, and our community stands with you in whatever way we can. I am truly sorry for all that is being perpetrated against your nation. Please do what you can to stay safe, and reach out to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io if there is anything you need, or if you just need to talk. This goes for anybody, but doubly for those dealing with present hardship.

 

I wrote this post earlier today, and believe that it is worth sharing here, as I do believe it impacts all of us. This is not intended to be a divisive post, and if you disagree with its content, please reach out to me off list.

 

I know that times right now may be a struggle for many of you, as it is for me. I know the World is in an uncertain place. Some are dealing with grief and loss, others with war, and still others with loneliness, anxiety, etc. Many have stressful jobs, some don't have enough to meet their needs, and others are just uncertain whether continuing to be here is even worth it.

 

In many ways, we are more connected than ever before. But that also can create more isolation as well. We are also being bombarded with so much stimuli... So many ads, so many brands, so many news stories about places thousands of miles away, so much negativity, so much division... It's ironic that we've used that ability to be connected to share all the negativity and terrible happenings of the World. Many of us internalize all of that, and don't know where to turn, how to be most effective in helping, seeing as there is just so much need.

 

Please reach out for those who can be there for you, embrace the humanity that is in each of us, and let's all do what we can to make this time a bit easier for one another. Focus on those around you, those you Love, your family, your neighbors. Some of us have gotten away from the idea of a village, gotten away from being acquainted with our neighbors. Some are frightened that their neighbor might be the next murderer... After all, if we turn on the TV, all we see is the terrible violence happening all around us, and not so close to us.

 

If there is anything I can do for you, please reach out, and I will see what I can do. Thank you to each of you, for allowing me to get to know you, to be or have been part of your life, for being a member of a group that I moderate or own. If times are difficult now, they will look brighter, especially if we can get past all of that which divides us, and unify around our humanity and Love of one another.

 

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Re: A very slightly revised object navigation tutorial

 

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 06:01 PM, Gene wrote:
If anyone who hosts tutorials developed by various people wishes, its fine with me if they host this one.  People might find it who visit the site and are looking around.
-
Gene,

I'm already doing this for your object navigation tutorial and have already snagged the text you posted this morning and replaced the existing text.  When I agree to do this for anyone, I will keep the document updated.  But, I do prefer that the updates are sent directly to me so that I am absolutely certain I've seen them and get the update done.  Then the only thing that the author or I need to post is the direct link (which does not change) to the tutorial download.

I long ago learned that tutorials may remain static for a long while, but invariably something absolutely will need to be updated as Windows itself or application software gets changed.  It's just so much easier to keep a single, hosted source and have that be the only thing that gets updated and the only thing offered to the public.

Here, again, is the downloadable version of your Object Navigation Tutorial, with the latest update date of today noted at the top of the document - Using Object Navigation in NVDA - G. Asner.

 

If someone has downloaded one earlier, I had not put a "last update" date at the top because there had not been any.  So the one that has that line with today's date at the top has the text you posted this morning.
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Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: A very slightly revised object navigation tutorial

Gene
 

This is the third one.  I doubt there will be more.  But it would be a good idea to have it hosted somewhere where new versions could replace the old ones using the same link.


If anyone who hosts tutorials developed by various people wishes, its fine with me if they host this one.  People might find it who visit the site and are looking around.


I'll talk with you if I need such a service.


Thank you.


Gene

On 2/24/2022 4:29 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Gene wrote:

I am releasing a new version of the tutorial.  The changes are very minor.
Gene

I don't want to detract from your valuable work in any way, or offer any discouragement. In fact the opposite--I think my suggestion below, if implemented, would improve access to your work.

Wouldn't it make more sense to put this (and documents like it) on a web page, and update that? Then just re-post the URL when you make changes?
That seems preferable to having a dozen or so versions of it floating around in the archives to confuse people. (Between you posting it and others posting it)

As a single example: I have kept this, each time you have posted it, in my NVDA help folder, in case someone needs it at some point. Each time you have posted a revision (and if I recall it was three times in one day at one point), I have had to save the new one, then go back and find the old one and delete that, to make sure I had only the most current copy.

I'm not trying to detract any from your excellent contributions, just pointing out that this is a rather inefficient distribution mechanism.

If you don't have a website, talk to me off list and I'm sure we can figure something out; I have plenty of server capacity and domain names available.

But that aside, you could even host them in a reasonable text form on your GitHub account, or make a tinyurl to a dropbox shared file or the like. With which things I would also be happy to help you if desired.

Plenty of options that do not require multiple versions being posted to the list.

Luke




Re: A very slightly revised object navigation tutorial

Luke Davis
 

Gene wrote:

I am releasing a new version of the tutorial.  The changes are very minor. 
Gene

I don't want to detract from your valuable work in any way, or offer any discouragement. In fact the opposite--I think my suggestion below, if implemented, would improve access to your work.

Wouldn't it make more sense to put this (and documents like it) on a web page, and update that? Then just re-post the URL when you make changes?
That seems preferable to having a dozen or so versions of it floating around in the archives to confuse people. (Between you posting it and others posting it)

As a single example: I have kept this, each time you have posted it, in my NVDA help folder, in case someone needs it at some point. Each time you have posted a revision (and if I recall it was three times in one day at one point), I have had to save the new one, then go back and find the old one and delete that, to make sure I had only the most current copy.

I'm not trying to detract any from your excellent contributions, just pointing out that this is a rather inefficient distribution mechanism.

If you don't have a website, talk to me off list and I'm sure we can figure something out; I have plenty of server capacity and domain names available.

But that aside, you could even host them in a reasonable text form on your GitHub account, or make a tinyurl to a dropbox shared file or the like. With which things I would also be happy to help you if desired.

Plenty of options that do not require multiple versions being posted to the list.

Luke


locked Re: Admin's Note: Community Letter #adminnotice

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Matthew,


I too am praying for peace in the Ucrane. My heart goes out to those poor people in that nation.


Rosemarie



On 2/24/2022 1:18 PM, matthew dyer wrote:

Hi,

 

 

Amen!  Prair is something that we need at this point.  Ucrane is a Christion nation.  I pray that god will bring  piece to all invaulved. 

 

Matthew

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 1:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Note: Community Letter #adminnotice

 

All I have to say about all this. Putan and all of our world leaders need to be saved by the blood of Jesus Christ the only begotten son of my papa God. Ban me off this list if you wish.

On 2/24/2022 1:33 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:

Leaving the logic of the sides, we should understand the origin of this war, analyzing it, understanding it, starting, for example, with some questions.
Where was the West when children lived in basements in the Donbass villages?  Where was it in the summer of 2014, when the Donetsk and Lugansk regions were subjected to air raids or on May 2, when the Nazis of Pravy Sektor carried out the slaughter in the Odessa House of Syndicates, breaking bones and burning alive those who demonstrated for a federal system in Donbass?  Where was it  when the leader of a party with the Nazi wolf tooth emblem became president of the Ukrainian parliament?

I am against war and imperialism, from both sides. I wish peace and cooperation amongst all populations. 

Angela from Italy

 

Il 24/02/2022 16:26, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:

Hello everyone,

 

First, if you are in or around the Ukraine, you are in my thoughts, and our community stands with you in whatever way we can. I am truly sorry for all that is being perpetrated against your nation. Please do what you can to stay safe, and reach out to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io if there is anything you need, or if you just need to talk. This goes for anybody, but doubly for those dealing with present hardship.

 

I wrote this post earlier today, and believe that it is worth sharing here, as I do believe it impacts all of us. This is not intended to be a divisive post, and if you disagree with its content, please reach out to me off list.

 

I know that times right now may be a struggle for many of you, as it is for me. I know the World is in an uncertain place. Some are dealing with grief and loss, others with war, and still others with loneliness, anxiety, etc. Many have stressful jobs, some don't have enough to meet their needs, and others are just uncertain whether continuing to be here is even worth it.

 

In many ways, we are more connected than ever before. But that also can create more isolation as well. We are also being bombarded with so much stimuli... So many ads, so many brands, so many news stories about places thousands of miles away, so much negativity, so much division... It's ironic that we've used that ability to be connected to share all the negativity and terrible happenings of the World. Many of us internalize all of that, and don't know where to turn, how to be most effective in helping, seeing as there is just so much need.

 

Please reach out for those who can be there for you, embrace the humanity that is in each of us, and let's all do what we can to make this time a bit easier for one another. Focus on those around you, those you Love, your family, your neighbors. Some of us have gotten away from the idea of a village, gotten away from being acquainted with our neighbors. Some are frightened that their neighbor might be the next murderer... After all, if we turn on the TV, all we see is the terrible violence happening all around us, and not so close to us.

 

If there is anything I can do for you, please reach out, and I will see what I can do. Thank you to each of you, for allowing me to get to know you, to be or have been part of your life, for being a member of a group that I moderate or own. If times are difficult now, they will look brighter, especially if we can get past all of that which divides us, and unify around our humanity and Love of one another.

 

--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

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