On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 02:32 PM, Don H wrote:

Rather than asking why please just answer my question as to if you can hide the screen reader.

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I don't have the answer.

You, and a lot of other members of this group need to get over the idea that every response is directed to you as the original poster.  Many original posters have given little thought to the results of what they're asking about.  That may not be you, specifically, but it could be any number of others who might be inclined to impulsively disable this automated checking for accessibility software in use.

That has downsides, and those deserve discussion.  It's not all about you, and your question, but about the other things that question brings up.  And that applies to the "generic you" for every post.

If someone has the answer to your question, I'd suppose they will actually supply the information.  Sometimes no one does.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt

On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 01:58 PM, Gene wrote:

We don't know what is being seen. 

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Gene,

To me, that's not relevant.  If you don't know if you want it, then answer in the negative.

I'm faced with lots of questions where it's of the, "I have no idea what that is, so, no, thanks," is what the answer amounts to.  But sometimes I do, and the answer is "Yes."
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt

We don't know what is being seen.  If it is one of the accessibility overlays, it likely makes the site harder to use and these overlays are so unwanted that there is at least one lawsuit against one of the companies who sell them to web sites, claiming that AI can solve accessibility problems for blind users and bring the site into compliance with the ADA just by the site having the overlay.

Gene

On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 12:42 PM, Don H wrote:

I find this annoying to say the least.

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Why?

It's a one-time accept or decline (unless you constantly delete site cookies).

For the love of heaven, when a site has additional accessibility options why would you NOT want to know about them?  These detections occur in other things, too, such as Adobe Reader DC, which will ask you whether you want to set up things with the Accessibility Wizard (also one time) and, believe me, in that context you absolutely do want to.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt

On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 12:42 PM, Don H wrote:

I find this annoying to say the least.

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Why?

It's a one-time accept or decline (unless you constantly delete site cookies).

For the love of heaven, when a site has additional accessibility options why would you NOT want to know about them?  These detections occur in other things, too, such as Adobe Reader DC, which will ask you whether you want to set up things with the Accessibility Wizard (also one time) and, believe me, in that context you absolutely do want to.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt

Hi Brian,

Thank you for your reply. I was referring to the core screen reader settings, mentioned in https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#ConfiguringNVDA . I was wondering if there is a way of exporting these and importing these to another computer.

Thanks & Best Regards,
Minoli

Hi,
And the answer is... yes and no, more towards no. Some programs (including some web browsers and web apps) can tell if you've got an assistive technology such as a screen reader running by querying specific information from the host system (the computer the app runs on). If the operating system (Windows, for example) informs the app that a screen reader is running, the app can either handle things differently by itself or expose this fact for others to use (technically, this is called "consuming"). You can in fact tell NVDA to not set screen reader flag when it starts, which "hides" its presence - there are other ways to detect if a screen reader is running, and one such way is via Windows Registry (won't go into details here); this means apps looking for a screen reader will find that no-one is responding to such a question when in fact the screen reader is moving around without identifying itself (some apps can probe specific places in the operating system, but it runs into performance problems; I can discuss details if you really want to know how a system call works inside an operating system). Therefore, the answer is really no.
Cheers,
Joseph

On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 02:32 PM, Don H wrote:

Rather than asking why please just answer my question as to if you
can hide the screen reader.

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I don't have the answer.

You, and a lot of other members of this group need to get over the idea
that every response is directed to you as the original poster.  Many
original posters have given little thought to the results of what
they're asking about.  That may not be you, specifically, but it could
be any number of others who might be inclined to impulsively disable
this automated checking for accessibility software in use.

That has downsides, and those deserve discussion.  It's not all about
you, and your question, but about the other things that question brings
up.  And that applies to the "generic you" for every post.

If someone has the answer to your question, I'd suppose they will
actually supply the information.  Sometimes no one does.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it .
. . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

~ Irving Babbitt

Hello!

I could reproduce the problem.

Go to lenovo.com and in the combobox to select the country select United States.

When the accessibility information have appeared, I pressed Control F9 to the options.

The last button is to turn off all accessibility settings, and I have pressed it.

The next time I go to the page, through the Chrome historic, only appears in the begin of the page the following:

Button, not available. Press ‎ Control + F9 ‎ at any time to move to the menu containing shortcuts to page main areas

I have also accepted the cookies...

The only way to hide the presence of a screen reader is through the Windows registry...

Rui Fontes

On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 02:53 PM, Gene wrote:

If you are given a choice and if it is honored.

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The "choice" part was presented.  And I presume when a choice is presented, the response will be honored, if for nothing more than the session if a permanent cookie is not set for it.

If you're not being presented a choice that's a whole different kettle of fish, and if whatever's being done hoses accessibility that needs to be addressed.  But the last way I'd be inclined to address it is by doing something to hide the information that a screen reader is in use.  As I gave an example with setup of Acrobat Reader (and sometimes when certain documents are opened) if a screen reader is detected there are things that Reader does that greatly increase accessibility.  I wouldn't want someone masking the presence of their screen reader, ultimately forgetting they've done so (and that's what happens for all kinds of settings we tweak and forgot we tweaked), and then losing out on a lot of options they might not otherwise be aware of or even be able to activate.

The above is precisely what I mean "other things a question brings up."  They need to be discussed so that those who are reading, and there are many in addition to the original poster, can make an informed decision.

This group, and groups like them, are not simple question and answer groups and it is a huge mistake to believe that they are.  If I have to disabuse certain people of that notion, I have no hesitation about doing so.  They're information exchanges where Q&A is a part of those exchanges. 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt

We don't know what is being seen.  If it is one of the accessibility overlays, it likely makes the site harder to use and these overlays are so unwanted that there is at least one lawsuit against one of the companies who sell them to web sites, claiming that AI can solve accessibility problems for blind users and bring the site into compliance with the ADA just by the site having the overlay.

Gene

On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 12:42 PM, Don H wrote:

I find this annoying to say the least.

-
Why?

It's a one-time accept or decline (unless you constantly delete site cookies).

For the love of heaven, when a site has additional accessibility options why would you NOT want to know about them?  These detections occur in other things, too, such as Adobe Reader DC, which will ask you whether you want to set up things with the Accessibility Wizard (also one time) and, believe me, in that context you absolutely do want to.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt

On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 02:53 PM, Gene wrote:

If you are given a choice and if it is honored.

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The "choice" part was presented.  And I presume when a choice is presented, the response will be honored, if for nothing more than the session if a permanent cookie is not set for it.

If you're not being presented a choice that's a whole different kettle of fish, and if whatever's being done hoses accessibility that needs to be addressed.  But the last way I'd be inclined to address it is by doing something to hide the information that a screen reader is in use.  As I gave an example with setup of Acrobat Reader (and sometimes when certain documents are opened) if a screen reader is detected there are things that Reader does that greatly increase accessibility.  I wouldn't want someone masking the presence of their screen reader, ultimately forgetting they've done so (and that's what happens for all kinds of settings we tweak and forgot we tweaked), and then losing out on a lot of options they might not otherwise be aware of or even be able to activate.

The above is precisely what I mean "other things a question brings up."  They need to be discussed so that those who are reading, and there are many in addition to the original poster, can make an informed decision.

This group, and groups like them, are not simple question and answer groups and it is a huge mistake to believe that they are.  If I have to disabuse certain people of that notion, I have no hesitation about doing so.  They're information exchanges where Q&A is a part of those exchanges. 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt

On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 02:53 PM, Gene wrote:

If you are given a choice and if it is honored.

-
The "choice" part was presented.  And I presume when a choice is presented, the response will be honored, if for nothing more than the session if a permanent cookie is not set for it.

If you're not being presented a choice that's a whole different kettle of fish, and if whatever's being done hoses accessibility that needs to be addressed.  But the last way I'd be inclined to address it is by doing something to hide the information that a screen reader is in use.  As I gave an example with setup of Acrobat Reader (and sometimes when certain documents are opened) if a screen reader is detected there are things that Reader does that greatly increase accessibility.  I wouldn't want someone masking the presence of their screen reader, ultimately forgetting they've done so (and that's what happens for all kinds of settings we tweak and forgot we tweaked), and then losing out on a lot of options they might not otherwise be aware of or even be able to activate.

The above is precisely what I mean "other things a question brings up."  They need to be discussed so that those who are reading, and there are many in addition to the original poster, can make an informed decision.

This group, and groups like them, are not simple question and answer groups and it is a huge mistake to believe that they are.  If I have to disabuse certain people of that notion, I have no hesitation about doing so.  They're information exchanges where Q&A is a part of those exchanges. 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt