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locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Gene
 

I suggest that if you want to discuss the subject further, it be moved to the chat list.  I have never had many messages wrongly directed to the GMail spam folder.  Different people may have different experiences.  Also, if you go to the spam folder for your account online and tell GMail which messages aren’t spam, over time, you will have fewer and fewer messages mistakenly sent there.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 
I'm sure it's gmail doing it, because when I used windows live mail with my
Optimum account, there were hardly any messages in the spam folder, just one
or two, every once-in-a-while.  I wish I could turn off the gmail spam
filter.  Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do
#adminnotice

Because you get groups.io messages in your GMail spam folder but you
haven't been unsubscribed, that strengthens my suspicion that GMail
doesn't report messages it marks as spam to the source of the message.
If true, this may save group members considerable trouble.


Gene

On 9/28/2021 12:06 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
> I get them in there all the time.  I have no idea how gmail decides
> something is spam.  Pam.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jackie
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 12:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do
> #adminnotice
>
> I use the GMail interface, and I don't recall *ever* having a
> groups.io message in my spam folder. I wonder what would cause that,
> as groups.io has all its dns records in place & its reputation is
> beyond stellar.
>
> On 9/27/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you
>>> do
>>> this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam
>>> filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message
>>> in
>>> the program’s spam folder.
>>
>> -
>> Gene,
>>
>> It depends on the e-mail client and how it interacts with Gmail (or any
>> server, really).  Some send the request to the server, and the moving
>> happens on the server side and gets synchronized back to the client,
>> while
>> others do it locally having zero impact on the server side.
>>
>> When it comes to Gmail, because of the above, I tend to use the webmail
>> interface when it comes to filtering as I know that whatever is set up on
>> Gmail's server will carry over to any email client that connects to it,
>> while the reverse is not necessarily true.
>>
>> I can't explain what's going on with Louise, unless her email client of
>> choice has its own spam filter (much like Thunderbird's junk filter)
>> that's
>> post-processing everything that comes in.
>> --
>>
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>>
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>> conscientious stupidity.
>>
>> ~Martin Luther King, Jr.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Pamela Dominguez
 

I have never been unsubscribed from anything, that way.  But I have, very occasionally, been unsubbed from things without a plausible reason.  Pam.
 

Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 

I think if you hit the delete key from the spam folder, it might unsubscribe you, I'm not sure. There was a huge discussion in that regard 2 years ago but I remember not how it went. And, most of us were on Gmail if I recall.


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On 28 Sep 2021, at 10:28, Gene wrote:

Because you get groups.io messages in your GMail spam folder but you haven't been unsubscribed, that strengthens my suspicion that GMail doesn't report messages it marks as spam to the source of the message.  If true, this may save group members considerable trouble.


Gene

On 9/28/2021 12:06 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

I get them in there all the time.  I have no idea how gmail decides something is spam.  Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Jackie
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 12:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

I use the GMail interface, and I don't recall *ever* having a
groups.io message in my spam folder. I wonder what would cause that,
as groups.io has all its dns records in place & its reputation is
beyond stellar.

On 9/27/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:

My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do
this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam
filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in
the program’s spam folder.

-
Gene,

It depends on the e-mail client and how it interacts with Gmail (or any
server, really).  Some send the request to the server, and the moving
happens on the server side and gets synchronized back to the client, while
others do it locally having zero impact on the server side.

When it comes to Gmail, because of the above, I tend to use the webmail
interface when it comes to filtering as I know that whatever is set up on
Gmail's server will carry over to any email client that connects to it,
while the reverse is not necessarily true.

I can't explain what's going on with Louise, unless her email client of
choice has its own spam filter (much like Thunderbird's junk filter) that's
post-processing everything that comes in.
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locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Pamela Dominguez
 

I'm sure it's gmail doing it, because when I used windows live mail with my Optimum account, there were hardly any messages in the spam folder, just one or two, every once-in-a-while. I wish I could turn off the gmail spam filter. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Because you get groups.io messages in your GMail spam folder but you
haven't been unsubscribed, that strengthens my suspicion that GMail
doesn't report messages it marks as spam to the source of the message.
If true, this may save group members considerable trouble.


Gene

On 9/28/2021 12:06 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
I get them in there all the time. I have no idea how gmail decides something is spam. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Jackie
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 12:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

I use the GMail interface, and I don't recall *ever* having a
groups.io message in my spam folder. I wonder what would cause that,
as groups.io has all its dns records in place & its reputation is
beyond stellar.

On 9/27/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:


My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do
this in the client. Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam
filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in
the program’s spam folder.
-
Gene,

It depends on the e-mail client and how it interacts with Gmail (or any
server, really). Some send the request to the server, and the moving
happens on the server side and gets synchronized back to the client, while
others do it locally having zero impact on the server side.

When it comes to Gmail, because of the above, I tend to use the webmail
interface when it comes to filtering as I know that whatever is set up on
Gmail's server will carry over to any email client that connects to it,
while the reverse is not necessarily true.

I can't explain what's going on with Louise, unless her email client of
choice has its own spam filter (much like Thunderbird's junk filter) that's
post-processing everything that comes in.
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Re: Eloquence and NVDA: automatic language switching

Gianluigi Coppelletti
 

Thanks Rui,

yes, that's a SAPI5 synthesizer.

The automatic language switching is not the most important feature as i can create a profile to switch manually, but it is very useful for me. I'll think about it before purchasing.

Thanks again.

Gigi

Il 28/09/2021 19.57, Rui Fontes ha scritto:

If you are talking about Eloquence in SAPI5 it will not have that feature...

I think it is SAPI5 itself that do not have it...


Rui Fontes


Às 18:06 de 28/09/2021, Ashutosh Singhal escreveu:
In my experience, Espeak can automatically  switch languages but, Neither CodeFactory vocalisers  nor Window one coor voices can automatically change their languages. Sorry, I do not know about CodeFactory eloquence.

On Tue, 28 Sept 2021 at 21:48, Gianluigi Coppelletti <gianluigi@...> wrote:
Hi,

I'm testing the demo version of Eloquence by CodeFactory, and when I
visit a web page in a language other than the default one, the
synthesizer doesn't automatically switch to the language of that page.
Obviously the check box concerning the automatic language switching is
checked and with Espeak it works fine.

Am I doing something wrong or this option doesn't work with this version
of Eloquence?

This happens with NVDA 2021.2 Windows 10 and Eloquence 1.11.0 just
downloaded from the official website.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Bye.

Gigi







Re: Eloquence and NVDA: automatic language switching

Rui Fontes
 

If you are talking about Eloquence in SAPI5 it will not have that feature...

I think it is SAPI5 itself that do not have it...


Rui Fontes


Às 18:06 de 28/09/2021, Ashutosh Singhal escreveu:

In my experience, Espeak can automatically  switch languages but, Neither CodeFactory vocalisers  nor Window one coor voices can automatically change their languages. Sorry, I do not know about CodeFactory eloquence.

On Tue, 28 Sept 2021 at 21:48, Gianluigi Coppelletti <gianluigi@...> wrote:
Hi,

I'm testing the demo version of Eloquence by CodeFactory, and when I
visit a web page in a language other than the default one, the
synthesizer doesn't automatically switch to the language of that page.
Obviously the check box concerning the automatic language switching is
checked and with Espeak it works fine.

Am I doing something wrong or this option doesn't work with this version
of Eloquence?

This happens with NVDA 2021.2 Windows 10 and Eloquence 1.11.0 just
downloaded from the official website.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Bye.

Gigi







locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Gene
 

Right again.  I am using IMAP in Thunderbird, the latest version.  I am using the portable version but that should make no difference.  I know what I saw in the context menu when I was in the spam folder and on a spam message.  If you see something I don’t see, then the question is why and what others see.  Wrong again is confrontational and argumentative.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: tim
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 

Wrong again not using TB spam, Imap.. Under the inbox you will find gmail. Do a right arrow and down you will find spam.

 

 

On 9/28/2021 12:35 PM, Gene wrote:
I looked in the context menu and found nothing earlier.  Perhaps you see what you are reporting if you have the Thunderbird spam filter in the program turned on and a message ends up in the Thunderbird spam filter.  I never use the filter in the program itself and I see nothing such as you report. 
 
Gene
 
From: tim
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 

Must not of looked to hard.

In TB go to the message that is marded as spam in the spam folder.

Now hit your application key or shift+f10 for the context menu and arrow down to mark, right arrow and down arrow to "NOT SPAM" hit enter and your done.

 

 

On 9/27/2021 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:
My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in the program’s spam folder. 
 
When I am on the GMail site, there is a not spam button.  When I look at my spam mail using Thunderbird, I am seeing the GMail spam folder because I don’t run one in my e-mail program, there is no not spam option in the e-mail program itself.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 
I mark the e-mail messages as “not spam” from my E-mail client, because they seem to go right back into spam if I mark them from the gmail web interface.  Don’t ask me why.  This is pure speculation, but maybe the feedback loop works better when created from an E-mail client.
 
Louise


locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

tim
 

Wrong again not using TB spam, Imap.. Under the inbox you will find gmail. Do a right arrow and down you will find spam.



On 9/28/2021 12:35 PM, Gene wrote:
I looked in the context menu and found nothing earlier.  Perhaps you see what you are reporting if you have the Thunderbird spam filter in the program turned on and a message ends up in the Thunderbird spam filter.  I never use the filter in the program itself and I see nothing such as you report. 
 
Gene
 
From: tim
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 

Must not of looked to hard.

In TB go to the message that is marded as spam in the spam folder.

Now hit your application key or shift+f10 for the context menu and arrow down to mark, right arrow and down arrow to "NOT SPAM" hit enter and your done.

 

 

On 9/27/2021 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:
My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in the program’s spam folder. 
 
When I am on the GMail site, there is a not spam button.  When I look at my spam mail using Thunderbird, I am seeing the GMail spam folder because I don’t run one in my e-mail program, there is no not spam option in the e-mail program itself.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 
I mark the e-mail messages as “not spam” from my E-mail client, because they seem to go right back into spam if I mark them from the gmail web interface.  Don’t ask me why.  This is pure speculation, but maybe the feedback loop works better when created from an E-mail client.
 
Louise


locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Sarah k Alawami
 

I think if you hit the delete key from the spam folder, it might unsubscribe you, I'm not sure. There was a huge discussion in that regard 2 years ago but I remember not how it went. And, most of us were on Gmail if I recall.


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On 28 Sep 2021, at 10:28, Gene wrote:

Because you get groups.io messages in your GMail spam folder but you haven't been unsubscribed, that strengthens my suspicion that GMail doesn't report messages it marks as spam to the source of the message.  If true, this may save group members considerable trouble.


Gene

On 9/28/2021 12:06 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

I get them in there all the time.  I have no idea how gmail decides something is spam.  Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Jackie
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 12:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

I use the GMail interface, and I don't recall *ever* having a
groups.io message in my spam folder. I wonder what would cause that,
as groups.io has all its dns records in place & its reputation is
beyond stellar.

On 9/27/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:

My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do
this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam
filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in
the program’s spam folder.

-
Gene,

It depends on the e-mail client and how it interacts with Gmail (or any
server, really).  Some send the request to the server, and the moving
happens on the server side and gets synchronized back to the client, while
others do it locally having zero impact on the server side.

When it comes to Gmail, because of the above, I tend to use the webmail
interface when it comes to filtering as I know that whatever is set up on
Gmail's server will carry over to any email client that connects to it,
while the reverse is not necessarily true.

I can't explain what's going on with Louise, unless her email client of
choice has its own spam filter (much like Thunderbird's junk filter) that's
post-processing everything that comes in.
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locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Gene
 

Because you get groups.io messages in your GMail spam folder but you haven't been unsubscribed, that strengthens my suspicion that GMail doesn't report messages it marks as spam to the source of the message.  If true, this may save group members considerable trouble.


Gene

On 9/28/2021 12:06 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
I get them in there all the time.  I have no idea how gmail decides something is spam.  Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Jackie
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 12:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

I use the GMail interface, and I don't recall *ever* having a
groups.io message in my spam folder. I wonder what would cause that,
as groups.io has all its dns records in place & its reputation is
beyond stellar.

On 9/27/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:


My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do
this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam
filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in
the program’s spam folder.
-
Gene,

It depends on the e-mail client and how it interacts with Gmail (or any
server, really).  Some send the request to the server, and the moving
happens on the server side and gets synchronized back to the client, while
others do it locally having zero impact on the server side.

When it comes to Gmail, because of the above, I tend to use the webmail
interface when it comes to filtering as I know that whatever is set up on
Gmail's server will carry over to any email client that connects to it,
while the reverse is not necessarily true.

I can't explain what's going on with Louise, unless her email client of
choice has its own spam filter (much like Thunderbird's junk filter) that's
post-processing everything that comes in.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and
conscientious stupidity.

~Martin Luther King, Jr.






Re: Eloquence and NVDA: automatic language switching

Ashutosh Singhal <meghusinghal007@...>
 

In my experience, Espeak can automatically  switch languages but, Neither CodeFactory vocalisers  nor Window one coor voices can automatically change their languages. Sorry, I do not know about CodeFactory eloquence.

On Tue, 28 Sept 2021 at 21:48, Gianluigi Coppelletti <gianluigi@...> wrote:
Hi,

I'm testing the demo version of Eloquence by CodeFactory, and when I
visit a web page in a language other than the default one, the
synthesizer doesn't automatically switch to the language of that page.
Obviously the check box concerning the automatic language switching is
checked and with Espeak it works fine.

Am I doing something wrong or this option doesn't work with this version
of Eloquence?

This happens with NVDA 2021.2 Windows 10 and Eloquence 1.11.0 just
downloaded from the official website.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Bye.

Gigi







locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Pamela Dominguez
 

I get them in there all the time. I have no idea how gmail decides something is spam. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 12:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

I use the GMail interface, and I don't recall *ever* having a
groups.io message in my spam folder. I wonder what would cause that,
as groups.io has all its dns records in place & its reputation is
beyond stellar.

On 9/27/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:


My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do
this in the client. Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam
filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in
the program’s spam folder.
-
Gene,

It depends on the e-mail client and how it interacts with Gmail (or any
server, really). Some send the request to the server, and the moving
happens on the server side and gets synchronized back to the client, while
others do it locally having zero impact on the server side.

When it comes to Gmail, because of the above, I tend to use the webmail
interface when it comes to filtering as I know that whatever is set up on
Gmail's server will carry over to any email client that connects to it,
while the reverse is not necessarily true.

I can't explain what's going on with Louise, unless her email client of
choice has its own spam filter (much like Thunderbird's junk filter) that's
post-processing everything that comes in.
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conscientious stupidity.

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locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Gene
 

I looked in the context menu and found nothing earlier.  Perhaps you see what you are reporting if you have the Thunderbird spam filter in the program turned on and a message ends up in the Thunderbird spam filter.  I never use the filter in the program itself and I see nothing such as you report. 
 
Gene
 

From: tim
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 

Must not of looked to hard.

In TB go to the message that is marded as spam in the spam folder.

Now hit your application key or shift+f10 for the context menu and arrow down to mark, right arrow and down arrow to "NOT SPAM" hit enter and your done.

 

 

On 9/27/2021 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:
My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in the program’s spam folder. 
 
When I am on the GMail site, there is a not spam button.  When I look at my spam mail using Thunderbird, I am seeing the GMail spam folder because I don’t run one in my e-mail program, there is no not spam option in the e-mail program itself.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 
I mark the e-mail messages as “not spam” from my E-mail client, because they seem to go right back into spam if I mark them from the gmail web interface.  Don’t ask me why.  This is pure speculation, but maybe the feedback loop works better when created from an E-mail client.
 
Louise


locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

tim
 

Must not of looked to hard.

In TB go to the message that is marded as spam in the spam folder.

Now hit your application key or shift+f10 for the context menu and arrow down to mark, right arrow and down arrow to "NOT SPAM" hit enter and your done.



On 9/27/2021 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:
My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in the program’s spam folder. 
 
When I am on the GMail site, there is a not spam button.  When I look at my spam mail using Thunderbird, I am seeing the GMail spam folder because I don’t run one in my e-mail program, there is no not spam option in the e-mail program itself.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 
I mark the e-mail messages as “not spam” from my E-mail client, because they seem to go right back into spam if I mark them from the gmail web interface.  Don’t ask me why.  This is pure speculation, but maybe the feedback loop works better when created from an E-mail client.
 
Louise


Eloquence and NVDA: automatic language switching

Gianluigi Coppelletti
 

Hi,

I'm testing the demo version of Eloquence by CodeFactory, and when I visit a web page in a language other than the default one, the synthesizer doesn't automatically switch to the language of that page. Obviously the check box concerning the automatic language switching is checked and with Espeak it works fine.

Am I doing something wrong or this option doesn't work with this version of Eloquence?

This happens with NVDA 2021.2 Windows 10 and Eloquence 1.11.0 just downloaded from the official website.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Bye.

Gigi


locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Sarah k Alawami
 

Maybe, one never knows with gmail and or other providers.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 8:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

 

I mean that evidently, many e-mail providers send some sort of notice back to the source of the messages.  But since I have no interruptions of service when something I receive on an ongoing basis is marked as spam by GMail, it may be marked as spam only internally with no indication sent back to the source.

 

Gene

-----Original message-----

Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 10:41 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

 

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 11:38 AM, Gene wrote:

I wonder if GMail marks messages as spam in this way.

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In what way?  [That's a serious question.]

The only way I know of, these days, is that a message gets marked and placed in a the spam folder.  Unmarking it moves it back to the inbox as part of that process.  This isn't Gmail specific.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


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Gene
 

I mean that evidently, many e-mail providers send some sort of notice back to the source of the messages.  But since I have no interruptions of service when something I receive on an ongoing basis is marked as spam by GMail, it may be marked as spam only internally with no indication sent back to the source.
 
Gene

-----Original message-----
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 11:38 AM, Gene wrote:
I wonder if GMail marks messages as spam in this way.
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In what way?  [That's a serious question.]

The only way I know of, these days, is that a message gets marked and placed in a the spam folder.  Unmarking it moves it back to the inbox as part of that process.  This isn't Gmail specific.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


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Sarah k Alawami
 

I have seen email marked as spam  from groups.io in my gmail’s spam folder, it’s rare, but annoying when it does happen. I just remove the spam label and hope it does not go back.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 8:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

 

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 11:38 AM, Gene wrote:

I wonder if GMail marks messages as spam in this way. 

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In what way?  [That's a serious question.]

The only way I know of, these days, is that a message gets marked and placed in a the spam folder.  Unmarking it moves it back to the inbox as part of that process.  This isn't Gmail specific.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


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Sarah k Alawami
 

Not always. I have had my clients move messages right back to spam after marking messages as not spam in gmail’s web interface. This does not happen all the time, but when it does, it’s annoying. And don’t get me started with outlook.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 8:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

 

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:

My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in the program’s spam folder. 

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Gene,

It depends on the e-mail client and how it interacts with Gmail (or any server, really).  Some send the request to the server, and the moving happens on the server side and gets synchronized back to the client, while others do it locally having zero impact on the server side.

When it comes to Gmail, because of the above, I tend to use the webmail interface when it comes to filtering as I know that whatever is set up on Gmail's server will carry over to any email client that connects to it, while the reverse is not necessarily true.

I can't explain what's going on with Louise, unless her email client of choice has its own spam filter (much like Thunderbird's junk filter) that's post-processing everything that comes in.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


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Sarah k Alawami
 

Not always. I have had messages go right back into my spam folder when marking them as not spam  within 30 seconds or so. It  depends on what email client you are using. Mine is a bit aggressive.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 6:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

 

I mark the e-mail messages as “not spam” from my E-mail client, because they seem to go right back into spam if I mark them from the gmail web interface.  Don’t ask me why.  This is pure speculation, but maybe the feedback loop works better when created from an E-mail client.

 

Louise


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On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 11:38 AM, Gene wrote:
I wonder if GMail marks messages as spam in this way. 
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In what way?  [That's a serious question.]

The only way I know of, these days, is that a message gets marked and placed in a the spam folder.  Unmarking it moves it back to the inbox as part of that process.  This isn't Gmail specific.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

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