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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

Thats true.

In fact I'd go so far as to say, the older your box the easier it may be.

Older boxes don't rely on manufacturer drivers because they are to old.

If old enough they may not even rely on generic drivers.

They may rely on windows update drivers which while old and crappy still work.

Or they may not have any need for extras and work as is.

Where it can become an issues is with the newer systems that rely on as many avenues as they can to update.

This is good, you get the latest and greatest but you can also have issues.

Being the local admin here, I like to update before someone else does and see.

If it really screws up, I'll just reformat and move on.

I have backups and all data is on another drive so if it falls over, I won't lose much.

I have had 2 other systems here, both constantly used by their users.

And I will not be popular if  documents and stuff my dad uses can't be used because of a broken install.


Saying that, the modern systems actually don't give much of an issue generally unless you are unlucky  or microsoft gives you a semi cooked fruitcake which sadly happens a lot more often than is healthy but still we muddle through.

In this reguard amd because they do gaming do update their display constantly as well as other stuff so if you need the power and certainty and stability I'd go with those.

You can get instability but you know that those will be fixed within the next month.

On 4/06/2021 5:39 am, Jackie wrote:
This is windows. You can't possibly figure out all the software &
hardware combinations out there that might possibly cause something to
explode. Apple has it far easier in that regard, & they still manage
to blow stuff up nonetheless.

On 6/3/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Which means nothing. the problem may not affect most or the majority of
users. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Beta testing is done with a lot of people using a lot of different computers
because a program that works well on most machines may not on some and the
purpose of beta testing is to look for unknown problems that show up on some
systems.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2021 11:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

that's three of us now with no problems.



On 2021-06-03 12:52 p.m., Shaun Oliver wrote:
um, I just updated to version 89.0 and I've not seen any issue what so
ever.


On 3/06/2021 2:44 pm, Jackie rambled on about the following:
press ctrl l & run about:config. Press the button to tell them you'll
accept the risk. Search for the word accessibility. Having thus said,
that does not appear to be the problem.

Jamie can't reproduce this on any system in his possession, but he & I
will be working together tomorrow evening my time, Friday morning his,
to see if we can't reach some sort of conclusions.

On 6/2/21, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

I m wondering that if by default Firefox 89 is having the box
concerning
blocking accessibility checked checked by default. If this is true,
there is a way using a hack of some sort involving the configuration
editor to uncheck it without having to use sighted assistance.
Unfortunately, I seem to have deleted the information concerning just
how this is done.


On 6/2/2021 2:16 PM, Jackie wrote:
Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
it.

Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
report that & be believable?

On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a
way I
can say no to the update. thanks.

On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I
uninstalled and
reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a new
profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the
email.
Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example
cbsnews.com,
I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message whenever I tab
around the page think it loads, whenever I press the arrow keys it
says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with unknown
but am
not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to the help
section,
I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts in trouble shoot
mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on
here?
I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from
Cox.com
using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine
windows10
pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine have
everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on the
windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In
fact I
did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going on
here? Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

tim
 

you got part of it right. In beta testing you look for constant issues that come up. That means a bug. If it is only a problem on a few machines. Then it is a problem with the configurations of those machines and not the software.

Just like when NVDA was new. it had problems with amd chips and not intell. The problem was with the chips configurations on how they handled software not with NVDA.



On 6/3/2021 1:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Which means nothing.  the problem may not affect most or the majority of users.  That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. 
 
Beta testing is done with a lot of people using a lot of different computers because a program that works well on most machines may not on some and the purpose of beta testing is to look for unknown problems that show up on some systems.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2021 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
 
that's three of us now with no problems.



On 2021-06-03 12:52 p.m., Shaun Oliver wrote:
> um, I just updated to version 89.0 and I've not seen any issue what so
> ever.
>
>
> On 3/06/2021 2:44 pm, Jackie rambled on about the following:
>> press ctrl l & run about:config. Press the button to tell them you'll
>> accept the risk. Search for the word accessibility. Having thus said,
>> that does not appear to be the problem.
>>
>> Jamie can't reproduce this on any system in his possession, but he & I
>> will be working together tomorrow evening my time, Friday morning his,
>> to see if we can't reach some sort of conclusions.
>>
>> On 6/2/21, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>> I m wondering that if by default Firefox 89 is having the box
>>> concerning
>>> blocking accessibility checked checked by default.  If this is true,
>>> there is a way using a hack of some sort involving the configuration
>>> editor to uncheck it without having to use sighted assistance.
>>> Unfortunately, I seem to have deleted the information concerning just
>>> how this is done.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/2/2021 2:16 PM, Jackie wrote:
>>>> Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
>>>> that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
>>>> Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
>>>> seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
>>>> more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
>>>> think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
>>>> it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
>>>> up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
>>>> and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
>>>> automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
>>>> report that & be believable?
>>>>
>>>> On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@...> wrote:
>>>>> Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a
>>>>> way I
>>>>> can say no to the update. thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
>>>>>>    Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I
>>>>>> uninstalled and
>>>>>> reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a new
>>>>>> profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
>>>>>> anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
>>>>>> home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the
>>>>>> email.
>>>>>> Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example
>>>>>> cbsnews.com,
>>>>>> I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message whenever I tab
>>>>>> around the page think it loads, whenever I press the arrow keys it
>>>>>> says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with unknown
>>>>>> but am
>>>>>> not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to the help
>>>>>> section,
>>>>>> I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts in trouble shoot
>>>>>> mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on
>>>>>> here?
>>>>>> I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from
>>>>>> Cox.com
>>>>>> using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine
>>>>>> windows10
>>>>>> pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine have
>>>>>> everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on the
>>>>>> windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
>>>>>> that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
>>>>>> restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
>>>>>> even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In
>>>>>> fact I
>>>>>> did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going on
>>>>>> here? Thank you.
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Chris Smart
 

I did notice something strange with JFW, and I only mention it here in case it has some bearing on the NVDA situation.


When I run Firefox 89, I have to ALT+Tab away and then back to it, or else Jaws doesn't read anything at all.

On 2021-06-03 4:17 p.m., tim wrote:
Just did the update with no problems. I did see a lot of new settings in setting that could cause issues with screen readers but no big ones.

Everything seems to work fine even the site given for problem.

Used NVDA, JFW, and narrator with no problems.

On 6/3/2021 12:53 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
that's three of us now with no problems.



On 2021-06-03 12:52 p.m., Shaun Oliver wrote:
um, I just updated to version 89.0 and I've not seen any issue what so ever.


On 3/06/2021 2:44 pm, Jackie rambled on about the following:
press ctrl l & run about:config. Press the button to tell them you'll
accept the risk. Search for the word accessibility. Having thus said,
that does not appear to be the problem.

Jamie can't reproduce this on any system in his possession, but he & I
will be working together tomorrow evening my time, Friday morning his,
to see if we can't reach some sort of conclusions.

On 6/2/21, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

I m wondering that if by default Firefox 89 is having the box concerning
blocking accessibility checked checked by default.  If this is true,
there is a way using a hack of some sort involving the configuration
editor to uncheck it without having to use sighted assistance.
Unfortunately, I seem to have deleted the information concerning just
how this is done.


On 6/2/2021 2:16 PM, Jackie wrote:
Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
it.

Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
report that & be believable?

On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a way I
can say no to the update. thanks.

On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
   Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled and
reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a new
profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.
Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example cbsnews.com,
I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message whenever I tab
around the page think it loads, whenever I press the arrow keys it
says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with unknown but am
not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to the help section,
I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts in trouble shoot
mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on here?
I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from Cox.com
using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine windows10
pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine have
everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on the
windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact I
did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going on
here? Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

tim
 

Just did the update with no problems. I did see a lot of new settings in setting that could cause issues with screen readers but no big ones.

Everything seems to work fine even the site given for problem.

Used NVDA, JFW, and narrator with no problems.

On 6/3/2021 12:53 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
that's three of us now with no problems.



On 2021-06-03 12:52 p.m., Shaun Oliver wrote:
um, I just updated to version 89.0 and I've not seen any issue what so ever.


On 3/06/2021 2:44 pm, Jackie rambled on about the following:
press ctrl l & run about:config. Press the button to tell them you'll
accept the risk. Search for the word accessibility. Having thus said,
that does not appear to be the problem.

Jamie can't reproduce this on any system in his possession, but he & I
will be working together tomorrow evening my time, Friday morning his,
to see if we can't reach some sort of conclusions.

On 6/2/21, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

I m wondering that if by default Firefox 89 is having the box concerning
blocking accessibility checked checked by default.  If this is true,
there is a way using a hack of some sort involving the configuration
editor to uncheck it without having to use sighted assistance.
Unfortunately, I seem to have deleted the information concerning just
how this is done.


On 6/2/2021 2:16 PM, Jackie wrote:
Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
it.

Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
report that & be believable?

On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a way I
can say no to the update. thanks.

On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
   Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled and
reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a new
profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.
Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example cbsnews.com,
I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message whenever I tab
around the page think it loads, whenever I press the arrow keys it
says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with unknown but am
not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to the help section,
I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts in trouble shoot
mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on here?
I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from Cox.com
using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine windows10
pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine have
everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on the
windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact I
did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going on
here? Thank you.
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Re: CCBE 更新

Mallard
 

Hello Doupi,


Our humans are just crazy!


You and I should set up a conversation via Dogsapp one of these days, to see what can be done about them...


Woof!

Ozzie

On 02/06/2021 16:44, Rui Fontes wrote:
Ciao!


Not yet, but with the Translate add-on, I have got the message...


Rui and Doupi


Às 15:15 de 02/06/2021, Mallard escreveu:
Wy, rui, don't you know Chinese? You disappoint me!!!!!! ROFL... Joking, of course!


Stay safe, my friend!

Ciao,

Ollie




On 02/06/2021 16:03, Rui Fontes wrote:
Please, can you write in english?


Rui Fontes


Às 14:44 de 02/06/2021, 高生旺 escreveu:
朋友問我記事本有沒有尋找空白行的功能?
我說沒有,至少目前還沒有。

我想到之前寫的 CCBE NVDA附加元件就是用來加強記事本的功能,
於是我寫出這個功能:
只要按 NVDA+空白鍵就能往下尋找空白行,
按 SHIFT+NVDA+空白鍵就是往上尋找。

還有需要什麼功能可以再提出來,我來想辦法順便練功。
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Re: What's the situation with Seika Braille drivers?

Mallard
 

Thanks for this news, Joseph!

Stay well,

Ollie

On 03/06/2021 10:04, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

In fact, NV Access folks have committed many changes to Seika support pull request within the last few hours, so I expect it will be (finally) part of NVDA soon (once and for all).

Cheers,

Joseph


locked Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Sue J. Ward
 

Hello. This is Susan. Well turns out I can use it on my windows10 home addition. On my end I backed up my bookmarks, and created a new profile, thinking it might work, so I loaded up Firefox and it did not work, so I did a google search to find fire fox 88.0.1, so I did download from majorgeeks.com and I did install that. After that I went to a few websites just to test it out and it worked. Then later on that day I tested it again by going to more sites, closed it out, then started up again, and it worked. Then my thought was, okay since I got that working how about if I just upgrade from there to the new version and I did it and it worked. I did the same thing just to see if everything was working and yes, it did. So now I can use the new fire fox with no problems on my windows10 home machine. In fact I just read this digest to check for accessibility settings in the about:config dialog the one where it mentions it is set to zero and it is on my end. I got out of there and all is well. So just thought I would report back and let everyone know what I did on my windows10 home machine. Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Jackie
 

This is windows. You can't possibly figure out all the software &
hardware combinations out there that might possibly cause something to
explode. Apple has it far easier in that regard, & they still manage
to blow stuff up nonetheless.

On 6/3/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Which means nothing. the problem may not affect most or the majority of
users. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Beta testing is done with a lot of people using a lot of different computers
because a program that works well on most machines may not on some and the
purpose of beta testing is to look for unknown problems that show up on some
systems.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2021 11:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

that's three of us now with no problems.



On 2021-06-03 12:52 p.m., Shaun Oliver wrote:
um, I just updated to version 89.0 and I've not seen any issue what so
ever.


On 3/06/2021 2:44 pm, Jackie rambled on about the following:
press ctrl l & run about:config. Press the button to tell them you'll
accept the risk. Search for the word accessibility. Having thus said,
that does not appear to be the problem.

Jamie can't reproduce this on any system in his possession, but he & I
will be working together tomorrow evening my time, Friday morning his,
to see if we can't reach some sort of conclusions.

On 6/2/21, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

I m wondering that if by default Firefox 89 is having the box
concerning
blocking accessibility checked checked by default. If this is true,
there is a way using a hack of some sort involving the configuration
editor to uncheck it without having to use sighted assistance.
Unfortunately, I seem to have deleted the information concerning just
how this is done.


On 6/2/2021 2:16 PM, Jackie wrote:
Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
it.

Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
report that & be believable?

On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a
way I
can say no to the update. thanks.

On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I
uninstalled and
reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a new
profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the
email.
Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example
cbsnews.com,
I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message whenever I tab
around the page think it loads, whenever I press the arrow keys it
says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with unknown
but am
not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to the help
section,
I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts in trouble shoot
mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on
here?
I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from
Cox.com
using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine
windows10
pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine have
everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on the
windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In
fact I
did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going on
here? Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Gene
 

Which means nothing.  the problem may not affect most or the majority of users.  That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. 
 
Beta testing is done with a lot of people using a lot of different computers because a program that works well on most machines may not on some and the purpose of beta testing is to look for unknown problems that show up on some systems.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
 
that's three of us now with no problems.



On 2021-06-03 12:52 p.m., Shaun Oliver wrote:
> um, I just updated to version 89.0 and I've not seen any issue what so
> ever.
>
>
> On 3/06/2021 2:44 pm, Jackie rambled on about the following:
>> press ctrl l & run about:config. Press the button to tell them you'll
>> accept the risk. Search for the word accessibility. Having thus said,
>> that does not appear to be the problem.
>>
>> Jamie can't reproduce this on any system in his possession, but he & I
>> will be working together tomorrow evening my time, Friday morning his,
>> to see if we can't reach some sort of conclusions.
>>
>> On 6/2/21, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>> I m wondering that if by default Firefox 89 is having the box
>>> concerning
>>> blocking accessibility checked checked by default.  If this is true,
>>> there is a way using a hack of some sort involving the configuration
>>> editor to uncheck it without having to use sighted assistance.
>>> Unfortunately, I seem to have deleted the information concerning just
>>> how this is done.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/2/2021 2:16 PM, Jackie wrote:
>>>> Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
>>>> that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
>>>> Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
>>>> seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
>>>> more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
>>>> think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
>>>> it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
>>>> up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
>>>> and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
>>>> automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
>>>> report that & be believable?
>>>>
>>>> On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@...> wrote:
>>>>> Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a
>>>>> way I
>>>>> can say no to the update. thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
>>>>>>    Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I
>>>>>> uninstalled and
>>>>>> reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a new
>>>>>> profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
>>>>>> anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
>>>>>> home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the
>>>>>> email.
>>>>>> Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example
>>>>>> cbsnews.com,
>>>>>> I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message whenever I tab
>>>>>> around the page think it loads, whenever I press the arrow keys it
>>>>>> says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with unknown
>>>>>> but am
>>>>>> not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to the help
>>>>>> section,
>>>>>> I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts in trouble shoot
>>>>>> mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on
>>>>>> here?
>>>>>> I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from
>>>>>> Cox.com
>>>>>> using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine
>>>>>> windows10
>>>>>> pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine have
>>>>>> everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on the
>>>>>> windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
>>>>>> that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
>>>>>> restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
>>>>>> even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In
>>>>>> fact I
>>>>>> did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going on
>>>>>> here? Thank you.
>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Jackie
 

Jamie couldn't reproduce it on any of his systems. A gentleman name
Mike Burton had some systems that were affected, others not.

On 6/3/21, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:
that's three of us now with no problems.



On 2021-06-03 12:52 p.m., Shaun Oliver wrote:
um, I just updated to version 89.0 and I've not seen any issue what so
ever.


On 3/06/2021 2:44 pm, Jackie rambled on about the following:
press ctrl l & run about:config. Press the button to tell them you'll
accept the risk. Search for the word accessibility. Having thus said,
that does not appear to be the problem.

Jamie can't reproduce this on any system in his possession, but he & I
will be working together tomorrow evening my time, Friday morning his,
to see if we can't reach some sort of conclusions.

On 6/2/21, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

I m wondering that if by default Firefox 89 is having the box
concerning
blocking accessibility checked checked by default.  If this is true,
there is a way using a hack of some sort involving the configuration
editor to uncheck it without having to use sighted assistance.
Unfortunately, I seem to have deleted the information concerning just
how this is done.


On 6/2/2021 2:16 PM, Jackie wrote:
Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
it.

Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
report that & be believable?

On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a
way I
can say no to the update. thanks.

On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
   Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I
uninstalled and
reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a new
profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the
email.
Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example
cbsnews.com,
I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message whenever I tab
around the page think it loads, whenever I press the arrow keys it
says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with unknown
but am
not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to the help
section,
I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts in trouble shoot
mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on
here?
I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from
Cox.com
using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine
windows10
pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine have
everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on the
windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In
fact I
did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going on
here? Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Chris Smart
 

that's three of us now with no problems.

On 2021-06-03 12:52 p.m., Shaun Oliver wrote:
um, I just updated to version 89.0 and I've not seen any issue what so ever.


On 3/06/2021 2:44 pm, Jackie rambled on about the following:
press ctrl l & run about:config. Press the button to tell them you'll
accept the risk. Search for the word accessibility. Having thus said,
that does not appear to be the problem.

Jamie can't reproduce this on any system in his possession, but he & I
will be working together tomorrow evening my time, Friday morning his,
to see if we can't reach some sort of conclusions.

On 6/2/21, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

I m wondering that if by default Firefox 89 is having the box concerning
blocking accessibility checked checked by default.  If this is true,
there is a way using a hack of some sort involving the configuration
editor to uncheck it without having to use sighted assistance.
Unfortunately, I seem to have deleted the information concerning just
how this is done.


On 6/2/2021 2:16 PM, Jackie wrote:
Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
it.

Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
report that & be believable?

On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a way I
can say no to the update. thanks.

On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
   Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled and
reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a new
profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.
Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example cbsnews.com,
I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message whenever I tab
around the page think it loads, whenever I press the arrow keys it
says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with unknown but am
not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to the help section,
I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts in trouble shoot
mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on here?
I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from Cox.com
using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine windows10
pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine have
everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on the
windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact I
did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going on
here? Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Shaun Oliver
 

um, I just updated to version 89.0 and I've not seen any issue what so ever.


On 3/06/2021 2:44 pm, Jackie rambled on about the following:

press ctrl l & run about:config. Press the button to tell them you'll
accept the risk. Search for the word accessibility. Having thus said,
that does not appear to be the problem.

Jamie can't reproduce this on any system in his possession, but he & I
will be working together tomorrow evening my time, Friday morning his,
to see if we can't reach some sort of conclusions.

On 6/2/21, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

I m wondering that if by default Firefox 89 is having the box concerning
blocking accessibility checked checked by default.  If this is true,
there is a way using a hack of some sort involving the configuration
editor to uncheck it without having to use sighted assistance.
Unfortunately, I seem to have deleted the information concerning just
how this is done.


On 6/2/2021 2:16 PM, Jackie wrote:
Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
it.

Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
report that & be believable?

On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a way I
can say no to the update. thanks.

On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
 Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled and
reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a new
profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.
Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example cbsnews.com,
I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message whenever I tab
around the page think it loads, whenever I press the arrow keys it
says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with unknown but am
not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to the help section,
I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts in trouble shoot
mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on here?
I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from Cox.com
using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine windows10
pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine have
everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on the
windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact I
did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going on
here? Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Gene
 

I found the setting in about:config that does what the old setting in advanced options used to do.  it says something like accessibility.force.disabled.  I set it to 1 from 0 and the result was a complete loss of access to the program.  But this isn’t like what those reporting the problem have evidently described.  I saw no menus, no dialogs, when I tabbed, nothing was spoken nor could I read anything.  I heard no unknown nor any other speech.  So my idea, while interesting, appears not to be related to the problem unless those with the problem report what I am reporting.  If they have access to the interface of the program, dialogs, menus, then this appears not to be the problem.  However, it might be useful for people who have the problem to look at accessibility settings in about:config if they can, it may well not be possible without sighted help, to see if accessibility.force.disabled is set to 0 or some other number.  It should be 0.
 
I’ll explain how to have only accessibility settings displayed in about.config if people want to know. 
 
I’ll add that since I use Firefox portable, I copied the program to another location, experimented with that copy, then deleted it and went back to using my unchanged copy of the program.  I consider running firefox portable to be far preferable to running the installed version. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2021 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
 

I'm not at all sure this has anything to do with the ;problem but Ron's comments about accessibility blocking may have something to do with it.  I had initially said that you would have to have no access to the program for that to be the case but I wonder if that is still true. 

 

After seeing Ron's comments, I looked for the block accessibility setting that used to be in Firefox Advanced settings.  there is no Advanced settings category in Firefox any longer, at least  none I can find.  There are also no accessibility settings in the settings dialog.  I searched for accessibility in settings and got a no results message.  I looked in about:config and found nothing that looked like the block accessibility setting.  I wonder if it is there at all anymore.

 

However, according to a discussion  on the Superuser site, accessibility is disabled unless a screen-reader is detected to make the browser faster.  Could the problem be that for some people, the screen-reader isn't being detected or if it is, it isn't causing accessibility to turn on in the browser?  I have no idea.  But it is a question that may be relevant.

https://superuser.com/questions/1399221/how-can-i-turn-on-accessibility-features-in-firefox

 

Gene

On 6/3/2021 12:41 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

OK, I ran Firefox and I was immediately prompted to update. Since I am capable of using Edge and Chrome without any difficulty, I thought I would gamble and see what the falder all and fiddledeedee was all about. I let it update.  An odd thing happened, when I restarted the program preparatory to the update, the User Account Control came up and it was not too usable.  Usually,  I can read the prompts with NVDA and if necessary JAWS.  This time for some reason, it did not read.  I used the NVDA image recognition feature to see what it was saying. it was saying the some thing it usually does it turns out.  So I simply pressed alt + y and Firefox updated.  Then I was immediately presented with a dialogue that asked whether I wished to use the same configuration and display for Firefox as the defaults in Windows. I chose the radio button that said to do this. I clicked OK.  Then to test, I did not close Firefox.  I visited some familiar web pages and everything seemed OK.  Then I took the plunge and closed Firefox and reopened it. There was no problem.  Then I rebooted my system and ran Firefox again and everything was fine and still it.  I must think that this opening dialogue asking me what kind of display to use--something I never got before--must have something to do with the issues others are having.

FYI, I am using Firefox 89.0 with a Windows ten system with all updates, 64 bit with 6 core Intel processor with 12 GB RAM.


On 6/2/2021 3:20 PM, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Firefox automatically updates itself, Theres no way to stop it from doing so anymore

 

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 02 June 2021 19:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

So, how long before we all get v.89 unless we take steps not to update. Don't want to be caught unawares before this happens.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: June 2, 2021 02:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

I've tried both w/the NVDA beta as well as the stable version, folks.

It's broken on my system, & that includes w/Narrator & Jaws also.

 

On 6/2/21, Jackie McBride mailto:abletec@... wrote:

> Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given

> that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that

> Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd

> seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any

> more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I

> think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding

> it.

>

> Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,

> it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows

> up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list

> and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile

> automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one

> report that & be believable?

>

> On 6/2/21, brice Mijares mailto:bmijares33@... wrote:

>> Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a

>> way I can say no to the update. thanks.

>>

>> On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:

>>>  Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled

>>> and reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a

>>> new profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find

>>> anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10

>>> home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.

>>> Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example

>>> cbsnews.com, I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message

>>> whenever I tab around the page think it loads, whenever I press the

>>> arrow keys it says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with

>>> unknown but am not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to

>>> the help section, I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts

>>> in trouble shoot mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on here?

>>> I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from

>>> Cox.com using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine

>>> windows10 pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine

>>> have everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on

>>> the

>>> windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on

>>> that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to

>>> restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I

>>> even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact

>>> I did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going

>>> on here? Thank you.

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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Gene
 

I'm not at all sure this has anything to do with the ;problem but Ron's comments about accessibility blocking may have something to do with it.  I had initially said that you would have to have no access to the program for that to be the case but I wonder if that is still true. 


After seeing Ron's comments, I looked for the block accessibility setting that used to be in Firefox Advanced settings.  there is no Advanced settings category in Firefox any longer, at least  none I can find.  There are also no accessibility settings in the settings dialog.  I searched for accessibility in settings and got a no results message.  I looked in about:config and found nothing that looked like the block accessibility setting.  I wonder if it is there at all anymore.


However, according to a discussion  on the Superuser site, accessibility is disabled unless a screen-reader is detected to make the browser faster.  Could the problem be that for some people, the screen-reader isn't being detected or if it is, it isn't causing accessibility to turn on in the browser?  I have no idea.  But it is a question that may be relevant.

https://superuser.com/questions/1399221/how-can-i-turn-on-accessibility-features-in-firefox


Gene

On 6/3/2021 12:41 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

OK, I ran Firefox and I was immediately prompted to update. Since I am capable of using Edge and Chrome without any difficulty, I thought I would gamble and see what the falder all and fiddledeedee was all about. I let it update.  An odd thing happened, when I restarted the program preparatory to the update, the User Account Control came up and it was not too usable.  Usually,  I can read the prompts with NVDA and if necessary JAWS.  This time for some reason, it did not read.  I used the NVDA image recognition feature to see what it was saying. it was saying the some thing it usually does it turns out.  So I simply pressed alt + y and Firefox updated.  Then I was immediately presented with a dialogue that asked whether I wished to use the same configuration and display for Firefox as the defaults in Windows. I chose the radio button that said to do this. I clicked OK.  Then to test, I did not close Firefox.  I visited some familiar web pages and everything seemed OK.  Then I took the plunge and closed Firefox and reopened it. There was no problem.  Then I rebooted my system and ran Firefox again and everything was fine and still it.  I must think that this opening dialogue asking me what kind of display to use--something I never got before--must have something to do with the issues others are having.

FYI, I am using Firefox 89.0 with a Windows ten system with all updates, 64 bit with 6 core Intel processor with 12 GB RAM.


On 6/2/2021 3:20 PM, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Firefox automatically updates itself, Theres no way to stop it from doing so anymore

 

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 02 June 2021 19:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

So, how long before we all get v.89 unless we take steps not to update. Don't want to be caught unawares before this happens.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: June 2, 2021 02:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

I've tried both w/the NVDA beta as well as the stable version, folks.

It's broken on my system, & that includes w/Narrator & Jaws also.

 

On 6/2/21, Jackie McBride <abletec@...> wrote:

> Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given

> that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that

> Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd

> seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any

> more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I

> think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding

> it.

> Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,

> it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows

> up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list

> and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile

> automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one

> report that & be believable?

> On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@...> wrote:

>> Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a

>> way I can say no to the update. thanks.

>> 

>> On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:

>>>  Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled

>>> and reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a

>>> new profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find

>>> anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10

>>> home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.

>>> Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example

>>> cbsnews.com, I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message

>>> whenever I tab around the page think it loads, whenever I press the

>>> arrow keys it says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with

>>> unknown but am not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to

>>> the help section, I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts

>>> in trouble shoot mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on here?

>>> I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from

>>> Cox.com using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine

>>> windows10 pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine

>>> have everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on

>>> the

>>> windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on

>>> that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to

>>> restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I

>>> even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact

>>> I did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going

>>> on here? Thank you.

>>> ____________________________________________________________

>>> Sponsored by

>>> https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=

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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

One question to the people with problems in Firefox 89.

Wich version of Windows?


Rui Fontes


Às 06:08 de 03/06/2021, Ron Canazzi escreveu:

Hi Group,

I m wondering that if by default Firefox 89 is having the box concerning blocking accessibility checked checked by default.  If this is true, there is a way using a hack of some sort involving the configuration editor to uncheck it without having to use sighted assistance.  Unfortunately, I seem to have deleted the information concerning just how this is done.


On 6/2/2021 2:16 PM, Jackie wrote:
Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
it.

Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
report that & be believable?

On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a way I
can say no to the update. thanks.

On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
  Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled and
reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a new
profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.
Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example cbsnews.com,
I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message whenever I tab
around the page think it loads, whenever I press the arrow keys it
says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with unknown but am
not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to the help section,
I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts in trouble shoot
mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on here?
I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from Cox.com
using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine windows10
pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine have
everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on the
windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact I
did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going on
here? Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Gene
 

I wouldn’t assume that.  No one else has reported what you reported about either UAC or the dialog.  We’ll see if anyone else reports what you report.  At this point, we don’t know if your experience is representative or not.  I can’t commment because I use Firefox Portable and my experience may not be the same as others’ for that reason.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2021 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
 
Hi Group,

OK, I ran Firefox and I was immediately prompted to update. Since I am capable of using Edge and Chrome without any difficulty, I thought I would gamble and see what the falder all and fiddledeedee was all about. I let it update.  An odd thing happened, when I restarted the program preparatory to the update, the User Account Control came up and it was not too usable.  Usually,  I can read the prompts with NVDA and if necessary JAWS.  This time for some reason, it did not read.  I used the NVDA image recognition feature to see what it was saying. it was saying the some thing it usually does it turns out.  So I simply pressed alt + y and Firefox updated.  Then I was immediately presented with a dialogue that asked whether I wished to use the same configuration and display for Firefox as the defaults in Windows. I chose the radio button that said to do this. I clicked OK.  Then to test, I did not close Firefox.  I visited some familiar web pages and everything seemed OK.  Then I took the plunge and closed Firefox and reopened it. There was no problem.  Then I rebooted my system and ran Firefox again and everything was fine and still it.  I must think that this opening dialogue asking me what kind of display to use--something I never got before--must have something to do with the issues others are having.

FYI, I am using Firefox 89.0 with a Windows ten system with all updates, 64 bit with 6 core Intel processor with 12 GB RAM.


On 6/2/2021 3:20 PM, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Firefox automatically updates itself, Theres no way to stop it from doing so anymore

 

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 02 June 2021 19:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

So, how long before we all get v.89 unless we take steps not to update. Don't want to be caught unawares before this happens.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: June 2, 2021 02:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

I've tried both w/the NVDA beta as well as the stable version, folks.

It's broken on my system, & that includes w/Narrator & Jaws also.

 

On 6/2/21, Jackie McBride mailto:abletec@... wrote:

> Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given

> that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that

> Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd

> seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any

> more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I

> think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding

> it.

>

> Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,

> it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows

> up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list

> and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile

> automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one

> report that & be believable?

>

> On 6/2/21, brice Mijares mailto:bmijares33@... wrote:

>> Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a

>> way I can say no to the update. thanks.

>>

>> On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:

>>>  Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled

>>> and reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a

>>> new profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find

>>> anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10

>>> home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.

>>> Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example

>>> cbsnews.com, I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message

>>> whenever I tab around the page think it loads, whenever I press the

>>> arrow keys it says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with

>>> unknown but am not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to

>>> the help section, I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts

>>> in trouble shoot mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on here?

>>> I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from

>>> Cox.com using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine

>>> windows10 pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine

>>> have everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on

>>> the

>>> windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on

>>> that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to

>>> restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I

>>> even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact

>>> I did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going

>>> on here? Thank you.

>>> ____________________________________________________________

>>> Sponsored by

>>> https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=

>>> rss_taglines_more

>>>

>>> Amazon Has Plans to Share Your Internet on June 8

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>>> c1

>>> Trump's Blog Page Is No More

>>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b7b69a813c536993ba5st01du

>>> c2 Florida Man Cites 'Stand Your Ground' in Iguana Killing

>>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b7b69aa473136993ba5st01du

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Re: What's the situation with Seika Braille drivers?

 

Hi all,

In fact, NV Access folks have committed many changes to Seika support pull request within the last few hours, so I expect it will be (finally) part of NVDA soon (once and for all).

Cheers,

Joseph


locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Chris Smart
 

yep, I've had no problems with the latest version either, on Windows 10 Pro.

On 2021-06-03 2:48 a.m., Luke Davis wrote:
For what it may be worth, I have just upgraded to 89.0.
I was not hit with a UAC as some have described.

I was offered the option to choose a theme, but I selected "not now".
Firefox was fine after that. I restarted the machine. Firefox auto-loaded upon sign-in after restart, which I found strange. But still no problems.
I killed Firefox with taskkill, and restarted it: still no problems.

Windows 10 home 20H2.

Luke





locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Luke Davis
 

For what it may be worth, I have just upgraded to 89.0.
I was not hit with a UAC as some have described.

I was offered the option to choose a theme, but I selected "not now".
Firefox was fine after that. I restarted the machine. Firefox auto-loaded upon sign-in after restart, which I found strange. But still no problems.
I killed Firefox with taskkill, and restarted it: still no problems.

Windows 10 home 20H2.

Luke


locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

OK, I ran Firefox and I was immediately prompted to update. Since I am capable of using Edge and Chrome without any difficulty, I thought I would gamble and see what the falder all and fiddledeedee was all about. I let it update.  An odd thing happened, when I restarted the program preparatory to the update, the User Account Control came up and it was not too usable.  Usually,  I can read the prompts with NVDA and if necessary JAWS.  This time for some reason, it did not read.  I used the NVDA image recognition feature to see what it was saying. it was saying the some thing it usually does it turns out.  So I simply pressed alt + y and Firefox updated.  Then I was immediately presented with a dialogue that asked whether I wished to use the same configuration and display for Firefox as the defaults in Windows. I chose the radio button that said to do this. I clicked OK.  Then to test, I did not close Firefox.  I visited some familiar web pages and everything seemed OK.  Then I took the plunge and closed Firefox and reopened it. There was no problem.  Then I rebooted my system and ran Firefox again and everything was fine and still it.  I must think that this opening dialogue asking me what kind of display to use--something I never got before--must have something to do with the issues others are having.

FYI, I am using Firefox 89.0 with a Windows ten system with all updates, 64 bit with 6 core Intel processor with 12 GB RAM.


On 6/2/2021 3:20 PM, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Firefox automatically updates itself, Theres no way to stop it from doing so anymore

 

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 02 June 2021 19:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

So, how long before we all get v.89 unless we take steps not to update. Don't want to be caught unawares before this happens.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: June 2, 2021 02:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

I've tried both w/the NVDA beta as well as the stable version, folks.

It's broken on my system, & that includes w/Narrator & Jaws also.

 

On 6/2/21, Jackie McBride <abletec@...> wrote:

> Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given

> that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that

> Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd

> seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any

> more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I

> think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding

> it.

> Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,

> it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows

> up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list

> and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile

> automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one

> report that & be believable?

> On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@...> wrote:

>> Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a

>> way I can say no to the update. thanks.

>> 

>> On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:

>>>  Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled

>>> and reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a

>>> new profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find

>>> anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10

>>> home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.

>>> Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example

>>> cbsnews.com, I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message

>>> whenever I tab around the page think it loads, whenever I press the

>>> arrow keys it says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with

>>> unknown but am not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to

>>> the help section, I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts

>>> in trouble shoot mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on here?

>>> I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from

>>> Cox.com using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine

>>> windows10 pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine

>>> have everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on

>>> the

>>> windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on

>>> that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to

>>> restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I

>>> even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact

>>> I did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going

>>> on here? Thank you.

>>> ____________________________________________________________

>>> Sponsored by

>>> https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=

>>> rss_taglines_more

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>>> c1

>>> Trump's Blog Page Is No More

>>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b7b69a813c536993ba5st01du

>>> c2 Florida Man Cites 'Stand Your Ground' in Iguana Killing

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