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Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

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Well what is there left if you minimise everything? Also what is left if you switch to desktop?
In a way its another way to do the same thing. In both cases nothing running is closed just the desktop put on top and in focus. However as has been pointed out if you are in tablet mode the desktop is effectively changed so you use things by the touch screen on a tablet and I have no idea if that stops the keyboard from doing things and it certainly does semi disable the desktop view in some instances. This only affects windows 8 and 10 though.
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From: "marcio via Groups.Io" <marcinhorj21@...>
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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working


Windows+M will minimize all the windows? Really?
I've always had the Windows+M as a way to access the desktop easily.
Anyone can confirm this?

Cheers,
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Em 06/02/2019 22:38, hurrikennyandopo ... escreveu:

Hi


Windows + letter M is a windows command. It will minimize all windows
that are open in front of you to the task bar.


Use the Windows key + letter D to jump to the desk top.


In some cases you might have to do it 2 times but in most cases only
the once from any where on the desktop, task bar etc.


Gene nz


On 7/02/2019 12:03 PM, Manoj Govindraj wrote:
Hi,
For some reason from last few hours, the nvda command windows key plus
M to go to the desktop has stopped working for me. When I quit nvda
and restart it again, I am able to go to the desktop. But as soon as I
click on start button, I am not able to access the desktop. I am sure
I have accidently disabled some command which is why I am facing this
issue. I use a laptop with windows 10. Would wait for your
suggestions.

Best,

Manoj
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material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the
APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of
their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest
to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is
installed on the APNK network please visit the following
linkhttp://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out
how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following
linkhttp://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City
Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to
the following links. Software available
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884How to
start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following
link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page
contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around
the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.




Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

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Can you not just tab around in a circle?

Maybe you have a customised version of the start menu. Another thing I do often find is that the system tray has an intel item in it that if it gains focus cannot be gotten rid of. I dealt with this by hiding that icon in the hidden section.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Manoj Govindraj" <manmusical9@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working


Hi friends,
I tried all your suggestions but the problem still persists.
Interestingly, after I restart nvda, I see a back button that nvda
announces right next to the start button. As soon as I press that
button, the start window opens and I again lose access to the desktop.
Any thoughts?

Best,

Manoj

On 2/6/19, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


Windows + letter M is a windows command. It will minimize all windows that
are open in front of you to the task bar.


Use the Windows key + letter D to jump to the desk top.


In some cases you might have to do it 2 times but in most cases only the
once from any where on the desktop, task bar etc.


Gene nz


On 7/02/2019 12:03 PM, Manoj Govindraj wrote:

Hi,
For some reason from last few hours, the nvda command windows key plus
M to go to the desktop has stopped working for me. When I quit nvda
and restart it again, I am able to go to the desktop. But as soon as I
click on start button, I am not able to access the desktop. I am sure
I have accidently disabled some command which is why I am facing this
issue. I use a laptop with windows 10. Would wait for your
suggestions.

Best,

Manoj



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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK
sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their
computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you
please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed
on the APNK network please visit the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use
NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library
network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following
links. Software available
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884 How to
start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the
official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have
sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.





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Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

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One thing that does irritate me on some peoples machines is an extra tab to blank window which is not any good for anything. It seays view desktop. Well I think I was hoping it was here!
grin.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "hurrikennyandopo ..." <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working


Hi


Windows + letter M is a windows command. It will minimize all windows that are open in front of you to the task bar.


Use the Windows key + letter D to jump to the desk top.


In some cases you might have to do it 2 times but in most cases only the once from any where on the desktop, task bar etc.


Gene nz


On 7/02/2019 12:03 PM, Manoj Govindraj wrote:

Hi,
For some reason from last few hours, the nvda command windows key plus
M to go to the desktop has stopped working for me. When I quit nvda
and restart it again, I am able to go to the desktop. But as soon as I
click on start button, I am not able to access the desktop. I am sure
I have accidently disabled some command which is why I am facing this
issue. I use a laptop with windows 10. Would wait for your
suggestions.

Best,

Manoj



--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884 How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.




Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

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Well it is as long as nvda has not managed to pretend another key is pressed down. I've noticed a similar issue with Jaws as well at times. I am wondering why, but I doubt anyone really knows, but obviously it has to do with low level code looking at the keyboard.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working


Or you could use Windows D, which is more reliable. M just means Minimise everything, whereas D takes you to the Desktop.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: 06 February 2019 23:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working



hi there, follow up this thread. Sometime I experience this issue also. I would restart the Screen reader and turning it back on. or do a full restart of your machine.

Thanks

Best Regards

Michael Munn

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Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students

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Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

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On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 6:03 PM Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@... <mailto:manmusical9@...> > wrote:

Hi,
For some reason from last few hours, the nvda command windows key plus
M to go to the desktop has stopped working for me. When I quit nvda
and restart it again, I am able to go to the desktop. But as soon as I
click on start button, I am not able to access the desktop. I am sure
I have accidently disabled some command which is why I am facing this
issue. I use a laptop with windows 10. Would wait for your
suggestions.

Best,

Manoj

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Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

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Its a windows key combination which may mean you have an issue where sticky keys comes on and confuses stuff. I'd start there and then think about nvda later on. This is where a portable version of nvda can be very handy. If you suspect its nvda getting involved, simply close the installed copy and open up the portable one and see if the problem goes away.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working


hi there, follow up this thread. Sometime I experience this issue also. I
would restart the Screen reader and turning it back on. or do a full
restart of your machine.
Thanks
Best Regards
Michael Munn
Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
National Federation of the Blind of Virginia www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
www.hadley.edu




On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 6:03 PM Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@...>
wrote:

Hi,
For some reason from last few hours, the nvda command windows key plus
M to go to the desktop has stopped working for me. When I quit nvda
and restart it again, I am able to go to the desktop. But as soon as I
click on start button, I am not able to access the desktop. I am sure
I have accidently disabled some command which is why I am facing this
issue. I use a laptop with windows 10. Would wait for your
suggestions.

Best,

Manoj

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Re: dealing with combo box expansion

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Sometimes it works that way too., As I say this is a criticism of combo box behaviour and design. I keep forgetting which technique works on which boxes. I place the blame for this squarely on the web designer who cannot be consistent for keybord or even touch users.
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with combo box expansion


The standard way of opening combo boxes is alt + down arrow. On some combo boxes if you hear your screen reader go into edit mode, you can just use the up or down arrows, but if doesn't work use alt + down arrow to open and alt + up arrow to close.


On 2/6/2019 2:49 PM, Don H wrote:
Just made a donation to NVDA on their donation web page. After entering the amount I wanted to donate and picking using a credit card instead of Paypal I got to a combo box for selecting the country you are in. I hit the alt space bar to expand the box but when I arrowed down one time it closed and did not give me the chance to get to the United States. Had to have sighted help using a physical mouse to get the combo box to the correct country. How should I have accessed this combo box?
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Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Chris
 

Use the restart option of your laptop to see if that will fix the issue

 

 

 

 

From: Manoj Govindraj
Sent: 06 February 2019 23:03
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

 

Hi,

For some reason from last few hours, the nvda command windows key plus

M to go to the desktop has stopped working for me. When I quit nvda

and restart it again, I am able to go to the desktop. But as soon as I

click on start button, I am not able to access the desktop. I am sure

I have accidently disabled some command which is why I am facing this

issue. I use a laptop with windows 10. Would wait for your

suggestions.

 

Best,

 

Manoj

 

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Re: dealing with combo box expansion

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Long time since I did this but I think you need to hold down the control key for these boxes. I find it irritating that the world seems unable to standardise on how combo boxes work even in the same form sometimes!
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 7:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] dealing with combo box expansion


Just made a donation to NVDA on their donation web page. After entering the amount I wanted to donate and picking using a credit card instead of Paypal I got to a combo box for selecting the country you are in. I hit the alt space bar to expand the box but when I arrowed down one time it closed and did not give me the chance to get to the United States. Had to have sighted help using a physical mouse to get the combo box to the correct country. How should I have accessed this combo box?
Thanks



Re: Is NVDA Really Dying?

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In the UK the cost of Jaws is more than it is in the states as well. which I think is daylight robbery myself. I have a registered copy from an offer last year, but they will not even let me have the other half of a year of 2019, they want me to start paying again. Sorry whatever the company is called this week, I am a pensioner and do not want to spend money on Jaws just now.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?


I've been using NVDA for over three years and love it.

Since I am an unemployed home user, it beats forking over $90 yearly and
NVDA does an awesome job supporting the software I use, iTunes, both
Firefox and Thunderbird, Office 365, very well. To its credit, Narrator
is nice for an accessible Windows 10 install and is making a lot of
improvements; however, I also run Windows Insider and don't see it
replacing a full-blown screen reader for the foreseeable future which is
fine with me.



On 2/6/2019 3:40 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Well I must confess there are some major improvements coming to Narrator this year. I saw great improvement when I was formerly using the Windows insider program. Still, NVDA is my favorite. I have to admit, Narrator is fantastic when using my touchscreen.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:30 PM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

Hi,
Responding to Tyler and Molly who commented in digest.

- Tyler, I am using NVDA 2018.1 because it was recommended to me by someone associated with knowbility.org. I had FF-52 on my machine and am now at FF 60 something. Before, I was using an NVDA 2016 version.

- Molly, I had to chuckle at your assessment of the screen reader, Narrator. You like it, some times.. Hmmm, should I ask you to review my book? Big smile!

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Re: Is NVDA Really Dying?

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The point is, a bit like voice over on a Mac, its fine for 'official ' applications but it does not seem to have any way to fiddle with it to make it work on third party software where access is not very good. Narrator seems to assume everyone uses Windows recommended systems.
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?


Well I must confess there are some major improvements coming to Narrator this year. I saw great improvement when I was formerly using the Windows insider program. Still, NVDA is my favorite. I have to admit, Narrator is fantastic when using my touchscreen.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:30 PM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

Hi,
Responding to Tyler and Molly who commented in digest.

- Tyler, I am using NVDA 2018.1 because it was recommended to me by someone associated with knowbility.org. I had FF-52 on my machine and am now at FF 60 something. Before, I was using an NVDA 2016 version.

- Molly, I had to chuckle at your assessment of the screen reader, Narrator. You like it, some times.. Hmmm, should I ask you to review my book? Big smile!

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Re: Is NVDA Really Dying?

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Yes in my case though, only the 64 bit versions. I've had very strange things if you continue to use the 32 bit version like all navigation vanishing all of a sudden.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?


Hi,
Ah, using Firefox 60 plus? If yes, I highly recommend updating to 2018.4.1, as it supports newer Firefox releases better.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 12:30 PM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

Hi,
Responding to Tyler and Molly who commented in digest.

- Tyler, I am using NVDA 2018.1 because it was recommended to me by someone associated with knowbility.org. I had FF-52 on my machine and am now at FF 60 something. Before, I was using an NVDA 2016 version.

- Molly, I had to chuckle at your assessment of the screen reader, Narrator. You like it, some times.. Hmmm, should I ask you to review my book? Big smile!

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Re: Problems With NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Another one who hasn’t read his messages.  He has already said he uses Firefox and Internet Explorer, then went on to Chrome.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 07 February 2019 05:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA

 

What browser are you using, or what browsers are you using if more than 1? Also what versions if you know them?

On 6 Feb 2019, at 16:06, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:

Hello:
I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader.
The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the internet.
When I am doing some other work like word processing or reading
documents off line, it is not slow.
This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't have this
slow problems online with JAWS. I use a demo copy of JAWS.
Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch a
web browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet
explorer unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and
when I press the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing. Some
times, when I am on a site, or trying to open a site, the screen
reader crashes, and disables the computer itself. I just have to shut
it down, and then restart it all over again.
Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen reader?
I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
I have the latest update of the screen reader.
Hope to read a helpful response.
I am Ibrahim.


Re: Is NVDA Really Dying?

Steve Nutt
 

It is definitely limited against JAWS and even NVDA, but it's fair to say it's getting quite good.

All the best

Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of MAX
Sent: 07 February 2019 01:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

I tried out narrator for a while but when I found how limited it was I went back to jaws.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

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Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

Narrator while better than what it was, really still feels like an afterthought. I mean, Microsoft has had ample opportunity to really develop a screen reader. Be it when they partnered with Window Eyes for like 5 minutes or only until recently paying more attention to Narrator itself.
Not to mention the fact that if they wanted to, they could've bought Window Eyes outright or Vispero at any time for that matter.
Not really bashing MS even. More like I'll believe Narrator to be a viable screen reading option when it actually becomes one. Right now, outside of perhaps getting a machine up and running out of the box or maybe to try to get out of the odd situation where your main screen reader craps out on you, it's not much more than that.
Cristóbal

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

Maybe someday narrator will be a great screen reader. I too hope NVDA is around for many more years.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

You know that everything has a life span. I hope NVDA still has a lot of years ahead of itself but maybe just maybe Narrator will become a great screen reader and there will be no need for NVDA or Jaws or any other screen reader.
Right now NVDA is my screen reader of choice with Jaws being my backup that I very seldom use.


Re: Is NVDA Really Dying?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi David,

 

The people that make blanket statements like that, have probably only used Narrator for ten minutes.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 07 February 2019 01:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

 

Wow!

In 1809, I am using Narrator to do the following tasks!

One: Do everything with MS Edge and Chrome!

Two: I do everything in the mail app with Narrator!

Three: I use Narrator with Waterfox to have it describe pictures on Facebook to me,

Four:

I use Narrator with the following Windows apps:

The news app, The twitter app, The weather app, The calculator, and more.

Narrator is so fast in Edge, that I have the best browsing experience.

In scan mode, I can use all of the navigation short cut keys that are in NVDA or JAWS.

Narrator works in Google Docs and Google Drive in MS Edge without a hitch.

This is just some of what I do with Narrator in Windows 1809, and with the latest insider build.

What you said about Narrator is completely untrue, and I can send you a video and you can hear what I do with Narrator with your own ears.

MS Edge and Narrator, is probably the best Internet experience I have.

Close to that, is Narrator in Chrome!

I am using Narrator more than JAWS now.

Take care, and please say what you have tried to do with Narrator without making a blanket statement like that without even knowing what you are talking about.

Read the Narrator guide, and if you have Windows 10 1809 build, you would not say what you did if you really tried to use Narrator.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: CristóbalOne:
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

 

Narrator while better than what it was, really still feels like an afterthought. I mean, Microsoft has had ample opportunity to really develop a screen reader. Be it when they partnered with Window Eyes for like 5 minutes or only until recently paying more attention to Narrator itself.

Not to mention the fact that if they wanted to, they could've bought Window Eyes outright or Vispero at any time for that matter.

Not really bashing MS even. More like I'll believe Narrator to be a viable screen reading option when it actually becomes one. Right now, outside of perhaps getting a machine up and running out of the box or maybe to try to get out of the odd situation where your main screen reader craps out on you, it's not much more than that.

Cristóbal

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 2:49 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

 

Maybe someday narrator will be a great screen reader. I too hope NVDA is around for many more years.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:57 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

 

You know that everything has a life span.  I hope NVDA still has a lot of years ahead of itself but maybe just maybe Narrator will become a great screen reader and there will be no need for NVDA or Jaws or any other screen reader.

Right now NVDA is my screen reader of choice with Jaws being my backup that I very seldom use.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Problems With NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Use Chrome, it is better than either Firefox or Internet Explorer.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: 07 February 2019 00:07
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA

Hello:
I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader.
The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the internet.
When I am doing some other work like word processing or reading documents off line, it is not slow.
This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't have this slow problems online with JAWS. I use a demo copy of JAWS.
Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch a web browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet explorer unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and when I press the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing. Some times, when I am on a site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, and disables the computer itself. I just have to shut it down, and then restart it all over again.
Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen reader?
I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
I have the latest update of the screen reader.
Hope to read a helpful response.
I am Ibrahim.


Re: Is NVDA Really Dying?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

It's a little unfair to say that. In Windows 10 1809, there are lots of improvements to Narrator and it's beginning to look like other screen readers, such as JAWS and yes NVDA in its command structure.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: 06 February 2019 23:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

Narrator while better than what it was, really still feels like an afterthought. I mean, Microsoft has had ample opportunity to really develop a screen reader. Be it when they partnered with Window Eyes for like 5 minutes or only until recently paying more attention to Narrator itself.
Not to mention the fact that if they wanted to, they could've bought Window Eyes outright or Vispero at any time for that matter.
Not really bashing MS even. More like I'll believe Narrator to be a viable screen reading option when it actually becomes one. Right now, outside of perhaps getting a machine up and running out of the box or maybe to try to get out of the odd situation where your main screen reader craps out on you, it's not much more than that.
Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

Maybe someday narrator will be a great screen reader. I too hope NVDA is around for many more years.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

You know that everything has a life span. I hope NVDA still has a lot of years ahead of itself but maybe just maybe Narrator will become a great screen reader and there will be no need for NVDA or Jaws or any other screen reader.
Right now NVDA is my screen reader of choice with Jaws being my backup that I very seldom use.


Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Steve Nutt
 

Or you could use Windows D, which is more reliable.  M just means Minimise everything, whereas D takes you to the Desktop.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: 06 February 2019 23:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

 

hi there, follow up this thread. Sometime I experience this issue also. I  would restart the Screen reader and turning it back on. or do a full restart of your machine.

Thanks 

Best Regards 

Michael Munn 

Michael Munn

Member: Virginia Association of Blind students

 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org

Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

 

 

 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 6:03 PM Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@...> wrote:

Hi,
For some reason from last few hours, the nvda command windows key plus
M to go to the desktop has stopped working for me. When I quit nvda
and restart it again, I am able to go to the desktop. But as soon as I
click on start button, I am not able to access the desktop. I am sure
I have accidently disabled some command which is why I am facing this
issue. I use a laptop with windows 10. Would wait for your
suggestions.

Best,

Manoj

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http://www.swar-ras.com



Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Brad Snyder
 

One cannot access the “Show Desktop” button from within the System Tray, or Notification area as it is now called, using arrow keys, because the “Show Desktop” button is not part of the Notification area.  One must use the Tab key to get there.
This is the same as using the Tab key to move from the Taskbar button area to the Notification area and so on.

HTH

- Brad -




On Feb 6, 2019, at 22:50, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:13 PM, Gene wrote:
I can get to it in Windows 7 by going to the desktop and then shift tabbing.
Just tried that under Win10 Home, Version 1809, 64-bit and that works to navigate to it.

Visually it is the last button (object, whatever you want to call them) in the System Tray, AKA Notification Area.  I was surprised it wasn't eventually arrived on via right arrowing after a WinKey+B strike.

When it comes right down to it WinKey+D or WinKey+M are faster to achieve the goal of getting focus on the Desktop.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 
 


Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Brad Snyder
 

Before Windows 7, there was no such button, and a mouse user would have to minimize each open window individually as described by Brian.

- Brad -




On Feb 6, 2019, at 22:09, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

What about before that?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Beginning with Windows 7, there is a button on the Task bar to the right of the clock, that performs the same action  as Windows + M.

HTH

- Brad -




On Feb 6, 2019, at 20:49, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

How does a sighted mouse user return to the desktop?  Is the desktop, or an icon, always visible? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Just played with something I hadn't ever done before when using WinKey+D.

If you use WinKey+D to go to the desktop, and do not open any additional windows while you're there, it toggles you right back to your former arrangement before having used it.

If, however, you open any new window or windows, those supplant the arrangement as far as the windows go, and hitting WinKey+D toggles back to the Desktop and those newly opened windows.

So WinKey+D is a toggle back to the windows arrangement prior to your having gone to the desktop if and only if you do not open any additional windows while on the desktop.  Since that's probably what any one of us is going to the desktop for most of the time falling back to point and click or ALT+TAB afterward actually makes sense.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.
          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 



Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Brad Snyder
 

FYI —
The “Show Desktop” button can be accessed via keyboard by tabbing through the desktop items.
For example, use Windows + B to access the Notification area, and then press the Tab key.  From the Desktop, one can press Shift + Tab, and you will get there.
From anywhere on the Desktop, one can repeatably press Tab and move clockwise through the desktop and taskbar items.  Conversely, one can repeatably press Shift + Tab and move counter-clockwise through the same.

HTH. 

- Brad -




On Feb 6, 2019, at 22:07, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 09:49 PM, Gene wrote:
How does a sighted mouse user return to the desktop?  Is the desktop, or an icon, always visible?
I'll just reiterate what Brad has already mentioned, that there is a very thin, almost invisible button at the far right of the taskbar, to the right of the clock/calendar, that NVDA announces as "Show Desktop" but ONLY if you mouse hover over it.  I cannot get to it by using WinKey+B and right arrowing.

It's interesting, but most sighted users get back to the desktop using what has to be the slowest and least elegant way:  minimizing their open windows one by one.  It's not that everyone does this, but I see it far more often than using WinKey+D, WinKey+M, or the Show Desktop button.  Point and click is not always anywhere near to the quickest or easiest way to accomplish something, but it's the one thing that every sighted Windows user knows and knows very, very well.  Those of us who are old school, meaning having used Windows since there was a Windows, often know more keyboard shortcuts, but even then that's not reliably so.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back