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Re: Is there a way to run NVDA as a window and not a background process?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I think he does mean the focus rectangle. I’ve seen this, I’ve also I think scene text highlighting, or maybe that also is the focus rectangle.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there a way to run NVDA as a window and not a background process?

 

On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 06:57 PM, Luke Robinett wrote:

Enable NVDA text highlighting in preferences.

-
Where is this located?  I'm aware of Focus Highlight (which I use) but not anything called "text highlight" or "text highlighting" (or else I can't find it).
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sounds for NVDA

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

hello, I would like to know if there is any add-on approved by NV access that gives sounds to NVDA
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Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials 22.09 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials 22.09 are now available:

 

IMPORTANT: these releases require NVDA 2022.2 or later (2022.2.2 or later is recommended for security).

 

A key change for Add-on Updater is checking add-on download integrity. Years ago, when NVDA add-ons community members were discussing add-on download and updating functionality, one of the concerns was making sure what users are downloading is indeed the package the add-on author has published. Among different suggestions such as hashes and digital signatures, as part of an add-on store proposal, NV Access has adopted SHA256, a popular hashing algorithm used in digital signatures and verifying file downloads to make sure data is not tampered with. Recently, I and Noelia Martinez began sharing SHA256 values for add-on releases not only for power users to compare hash values, but also to prepare our add-ons for submission to the NV Access add-on store (work in progress; discussion and feedback on add-on store should be shared with NV Access directly, not on this forum please as the feature is under development). Therefore, Add-on Updater 22.09 and later will check add-on package integrity by comparing hash values coming from add-on update sources against the value obtained after downloading add-on updates, and if they do not match, add-on updates will not be installed (if add-on update dialog is shown, an error message will be presented). As of August 2022, community add-ons website (technically, a repository used to store compatibility information for add-ons registered on community add-ons website) stores hash values for some add-ons. As for what add-on authors should do, that’s reserved for discussion on NVDA add-ons mailing list.

 

Regarding Windows App Essentials 22.09, this release resolves an issue reported by a user on GitHub where NVDA will not announce status changes when using parts of Visual Studio 2022. More importantly, this is the first release to require Windows 10 Version 21H2 (November 2021 Update) or later and is officially compatible with upcoming Windows 10 Version 22H2.

You can get these add-on releases in a number of ways:

 

  1. Manual download: the links provided will let you download these releases now.
  2. Add-on update sources: if you are using Add-on Updater 22.08 and later, provided that you are using NVDA 2022.2 or later, you can get these releases from various update sources (community add-ons website or Spanish catalog) once sources are updated to offer these releases to you (for community add-ons website, I have queued these releases for distribution on that website so it won’t show up right away).

 

Enjoy the new releases.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Is there a way to run NVDA as a window and not a background process?

 

On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 06:57 PM, Luke Robinett wrote:
Enable NVDA text highlighting in preferences.
-
Where is this located?  I'm aware of Focus Highlight (which I use) but not anything called "text highlight" or "text highlighting" (or else I can't find it).
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         ~ Vance Packard


Re: Is there a way to run NVDA as a window and not a background process?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I do that by default, the focus rectangle as I need help with aira, which is why it works for me in this plugin I’m using. Coolio!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 3:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there a way to run NVDA as a window and not a background process?

 

There’s a little trick that makes this work. Enable NVDA text highlighting in preferences. Now NVDA will be seen as an application in places like the windows sound mixer and other apps that allow you to choose an application to record from. Hope this helps



On Aug 25, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Joshua Tubbs <orin8722@...> wrote:



Hi all,

 

The reason I ask this is because OBS (open broadcaster software) beta has a new feature to capture application-specific audio. Right now, I can't capture NVDA and/or add it as a source because nvda.exe is running in a background process and doesn't show up as a window.

I know Jaws has an option to send it to the tray as an option, but does NVDA? I remember there might have been one a very long time ago. Not really needed but this is a specific use case.

Thanks.


Re: NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available

Sarah k Alawami
 

There was a discussion on my twitter and one person mentioned that, so I’m bringing it up here for those that don’t follow me. I do happen to agree. Even if the startup chime started while the music was playing, I’d be happy with that, depending on how fast your drive is as well as your processer and how much ram and VRam you have.  In my case 24 gigs of VRam and 16 gigs of ram. So not fast, but fast enough to do the job.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 8:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available

 

The music plays because the wave file can be extracted and played much faster than all the rest of the files can be extracted buy the installer.  Installation, assumedly, doesn't begin until all the files are extracted.  The music is supposed  to provide a welcoming environment, evidently, from its emotional tone but it also lets people know that the process has started.  I don't think the start of installation can be properly speded up.  It is probably bad procedure for an installation to begin until the files have all been successfully extracted to keep it from unexpectedly stopping in the middle for some reason such as a corrupted download.


Gene

On 8/28/2022 9:57 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I also feel like the installer starts after the music is done playing. Why not start the speech and prompts during the music, this would shave milliseconds off, and make the installer feel even faster. 
 
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available
 
This version took very little time to install, a contrast with the last release version. I think it has to be just Windows taking time to delete stuff in the background sometimes.
 Brian
 
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Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 10:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available
 
 
Hi everyone,
 
For those interested in testing out the next version of NVDA, we are 
pleased to share NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 is now available for testing. This 
fixes the input gestures issue introduced in the previous beta. Full 
info and download at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2022-3beta4/
 
For those running earlier beta's you will likely already have been 
prompted to update, as it came out yesterday - we are just a bit slow 
posting about it!
 
Quentin.
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Re: NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available

Gene
 

The music plays because the wave file can be extracted and played much faster than all the rest of the files can be extracted buy the installer.  Installation, assumedly, doesn't begin until all the files are extracted.  The music is supposed  to provide a welcoming environment, evidently, from its emotional tone but it also lets people know that the process has started.  I don't think the start of installation can be properly speded up.  It is probably bad procedure for an installation to begin until the files have all been successfully extracted to keep it from unexpectedly stopping in the middle for some reason such as a corrupted download.


Gene

On 8/28/2022 9:57 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I also feel like the installer starts after the music is done playing. Why not start the speech and prompts during the music, this would shave milliseconds off, and make the installer feel even faster. 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 11:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available

This version took very little time to install, a contrast with the last release version. I think it has to be just Windows taking time to delete stuff in the background sometimes.
 Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 10:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available


Hi everyone,

For those interested in testing out the next version of NVDA, we are 
pleased to share NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 is now available for testing. This 
fixes the input gestures issue introduced in the previous beta. Full 
info and download at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2022-3beta4/

For those running earlier beta's you will likely already have been 
prompted to update, as it came out yesterday - we are just a bit slow 
posting about it!

Quentin.
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Re: NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available

Gene
 

The music plays because the wave file can be extracted and played much faster than all the rest of the files can be extracted buy the installer.  Installation, assumedly, doesn't begin until all the files are extracted.  The music is supposed  to provide a welcoming environment, evidently, from its emotional tone but it also lets people know that the process has started.  I don't think the start of installation can be properly speded up.  It is probably bad procedure for an installation to begin until the files have all been successfully extracted to keep it from unexpectedly stopping in the middle for some reason such as a corrupted download.


Gene

On 8/28/2022 9:57 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I also feel like the installer starts after the music is done playing. Why not start the speech and prompts during the music, this would shave milliseconds off, and make the installer feel even faster. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 11:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available

This version took very little time to install, a contrast with the last release version. I think it has to be just Windows taking time to delete stuff in the background sometimes.
 Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 10:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available


Hi everyone,

For those interested in testing out the next version of NVDA, we are 
pleased to share NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 is now available for testing. This 
fixes the input gestures issue introduced in the previous beta. Full 
info and download at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2022-3beta4/

For those running earlier beta's you will likely already have been 
prompted to update, as it came out yesterday - we are just a bit slow 
posting about it!

Quentin.
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Re: NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available

Sarah k Alawami
 

I also feel like the installer starts after the music is done playing. Why not start the speech and prompts during the music, this would shave milliseconds off, and make the installer feel even faster.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 11:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available

This version took very little time to install, a contrast with the last release version. I think it has to be just Windows taking time to delete stuff in the background sometimes.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 10:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available


Hi everyone,

For those interested in testing out the next version of NVDA, we are
pleased to share NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 is now available for testing. This
fixes the input gestures issue introduced in the previous beta. Full
info and download at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2022-3beta4/

For those running earlier beta's you will likely already have been
prompted to update, as it came out yesterday - we are just a bit slow
posting about it!

Quentin.
--
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Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>






Re: NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available

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This version took very little time to install, a contrast with the last release version. I think it has to be just Windows taking time to delete stuff in the background sometimes.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 10:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 now available


Hi everyone,

For those interested in testing out the next version of NVDA, we are
pleased to share NVDA 2022.3 Beta 4 is now available for testing. This
fixes the input gestures issue introduced in the previous beta. Full info
and download at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2022-3beta4/

For those running earlier beta's you will likely already have been prompted
to update, as it came out yesterday - we are just a bit slow posting about
it!

Quentin.
--
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Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>





Learn how to make a non contiguous selection in Microsoft Word and File Explorer

TheeQuinn Public
 

I am back, I have not been in here for a while. It's finally here! Watch this video to find out how to make a non contiguous selection in Microsoft Word and in File explorer with NVDA. This video was frequently suggested in my comments. The Clip Contents Designer add on is also featured in this video to make non contiguous selection of text. This is a video you can't afford to miss. Remember to like the video and share it with friends. Also remember to check out my website for the transcript for the video (website link is in the video description). Enjoy!


Re: Is there a way to run NVDA as a window and not a background process?

Luke Robinett
 

There’s a little trick that makes this work. Enable NVDA text highlighting in preferences. Now NVDA will be seen as an application in places like the windows sound mixer and other apps that allow you to choose an application to record from. Hope this helps

On Aug 25, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Joshua Tubbs <orin8722@...> wrote:


Hi all,

The reason I ask this is because OBS (open broadcaster software) beta has a new feature to capture application-specific audio. Right now, I can't capture NVDA and/or add it as a source because nvda.exe is running in a background process and doesn't show up as a window.
I know Jaws has an option to send it to the tray as an option, but does NVDA? I remember there might have been one a very long time ago. Not really needed but this is a specific use case.
Thanks.


locked Re: System information on demand (Was: Please read and consider: importance of providing exact (or almost exact) Windows version information will be helpful soon

 

This topic is locked.

There is so much "putting of words into others mouths" going on that it should offend anyone.

Please just stop doing so, and each and every one of you who've done such know exactly who you are and when you did it.  I'm not going to tolerate this.  It's not a disagreement on principle or anything else, but assuming things neither stated nor implied.
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locked Re: System information on demand (Was: Please read and consider: importance of providing exact (or almost exact) Windows version information will be helpful soon

 

You know there are times I wish I had someone on hand if I need to click something that is not really easy to handle.

But lets face it sightlings in and of themselves can be quite busy and so you try to get round.

But yeah I understand where both sides are coming from.

Let me share with you a story of what I mean.

Back more than 20 years back at university I was doing business studdies and had to do word processing and spreadsheeting.

Obviously there were issues back then.

One of them was quite good with computers, had another terminal open with the stuff we had to do, pluss all the shortcut lists and other things open, was searching for commands I needed to do to translate things back to what I needed.

I thought he just happened to be able to handle the blind well.

He did tell me at the end he had several google pages, help files and command lists open pluss everything else and was trying to keep up.

Without his help I wouldn't have got that far at all.

in another class doing spreadsheets I had another person,

They obviously didn't know what to do with me so when things got to hard for me to do did it with the mouse even during exams to help me pass.

As a result I have past spreadsheeting in theory ownly.

All the work was done for me because the person didn't know what to do.

My dad wants to know how to use the system but as a blind person he is hard to follow as he clicks here and there aimlessly.

Sometimes I tell him what should do and he ends up going all round the bush eventually tangling himself in nuts without any idea how he got there.

Yet when I complete the same procedure I can't find where he branched.

So it can work to have one that is smart enough and knows how to manage things but good luck with that.

If you constantly have issues needing a sighted help and its something you use which should work, have notes and do it that way, though if its always for program x, I have often swapped it out.

For example the stuff I currently use was not the stuff I started with.

Now having something like nvda which is more intune with the system certainly is a lot better than having to get a script or map file for another thing in order to use it with that thing.


And with the webbification of a lot if not most software most issues are almost no longer an issue though sure, there are big issues.

The biggest is when you need to read and click buttons in agreements,etc.

I do use a sightling just in case I have to click something complex or I need to find something but rarely do I bother unless its needed.

Then again I haven't needed to change my software set for the last decade.



On 28/08/2022 9:24 am, Chris Smart wrote:

I strongly disagree with Yeti’s implication that anybody  here is suggesting computer users who are blind keep a handy sighted person around.

Is that better, Jean?

 

Further, while we’re making sweeping generalizations, I will suggest that most sighted people I know have very little computer knowledge. Many I’ve interacted with seem to wander around somewhat aimlessly clicking on things with the mouse. Good luck getting them to clearly describe the problem they’re having as well.

 

Anyway, this discussion is rather silly.

Did someone actually suggest that going NVDA > Help > About, or WindowsKey+R > Winver > Enter is difficult? Really?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: August 27, 2022 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] System information on demand (Was: Please read and consider: importance of providing exact (or almost exact) Windows version information will be helpful soon

 

You are expressing a reaction with no explanatory content.  That makes the message meaningless as far as providing content that can be discussed.  Why do you disagree? 

Gene

On 8/27/2022 4:11 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

 
---
We believe that every Blind + Vision Impaired person Deserves the right to freely & easily access a computer!
WE CREATE THE SOFTWARE WHICH MAKES THAT POSSIBL
---
 
Perhaps we should consider adding the following to the section:
Of course, it will never be as easy for blind people to use computers as it is for sighted people. Therefore, you should never attempt this without computer literate sighted friends in the immediate vicinity.
 
What bull crap.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

 


locked Re: System information on demand (Was: Please read and consider: importance of providing exact (or almost exact) Windows version information will be helpful soon

 

There probably should be a way to get windows version and copy it to the clipboard, how easy would it to be to either build this into nvda or make an addon to do this.

On my wordpress site I co manage for security and to keep track of things, I have a little addon called wordpress version information.

While viewing the site publically it does nothing.

While viewing the site as an admin it will display the server software version, the wordpress version, and the sql and other systems components versions.

Thats quite usefull say if there is a hack or a security issue or requirements change and you look at that then check back to see what you have so you can get things updated.

On 28/08/2022 9:11 am, Chris Smart wrote:
---
We believe that every Blind + Vision Impaired person Deserves the right to freely & easily access a computer!
WE CREATE THE SOFTWARE WHICH MAKES THAT POSSIBL
---

Perhaps we should consider adding the following to the section:
Of course, it will never be as easy for blind people to use computers as it is for sighted people. Therefore, you should never attempt this without computer literate sighted friends in the immediate vicinity.

What bull crap.







locked Re: System information on demand (Was: Please read and consider: importance of providing exact (or almost exact) Windows version information will be helpful soon

Chris Smart
 

I forgot to add that sure we run into difficulties unique to our situation, but that has a lot to do with inaccessible software or websites than our ability to use a computer.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: August 27, 2022 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] System information on demand (Was: Please read and consider: importance of providing exact (or almost exact) Windows version information will be helpful soon

 

Let's see what the person says;  I don't want to assume what the message means but I strongly disagree with the general statement that it is more difficult to use a computer.  It does take more work to learn to use one but that is a different question.

Gene

On 8/27/2022 4:24 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

I strongly disagree with Yeti’s implication that anybody  here is suggesting computer users who are blind keep a handy sighted person around.

Is that better, Jean?

 

Further, while we’re making sweeping generalizations, I will suggest that most sighted people I know have very little computer knowledge. Many I’ve interacted with seem to wander around somewhat aimlessly clicking on things with the mouse. Good luck getting them to clearly describe the problem they’re having as well.

 

Anyway, this discussion is rather silly.

Did someone actually suggest that going NVDA > Help > About, or WindowsKey+R > Winver > Enter is difficult? Really?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: August 27, 2022 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] System information on demand (Was: Please read and consider: importance of providing exact (or almost exact) Windows version information will be helpful soon

 

You are expressing a reaction with no explanatory content.  That makes the message meaningless as far as providing content that can be discussed.  Why do you disagree? 

Gene

On 8/27/2022 4:11 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

 
---
We believe that every Blind + Vision Impaired person Deserves the right to freely & easily access a computer!
WE CREATE THE SOFTWARE WHICH MAKES THAT POSSIBL
---
 
Perhaps we should consider adding the following to the section:
Of course, it will never be as easy for blind people to use computers as it is for sighted people. Therefore, you should never attempt this without computer literate sighted friends in the immediate vicinity.
 
What bull crap.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

 

 


locked Re: System information on demand (Was: Please read and consider: importance of providing exact (or almost exact) Windows version information will be helpful soon

Gene
 

Let's see what the person says;  I don't want to assume what the message means but I strongly disagree with the general statement that it is more difficult to use a computer.  It does take more work to learn to use one but that is a different question.

Gene

On 8/27/2022 4:24 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

I strongly disagree with Yeti’s implication that anybody  here is suggesting computer users who are blind keep a handy sighted person around.

Is that better, Jean?

 

Further, while we’re making sweeping generalizations, I will suggest that most sighted people I know have very little computer knowledge. Many I’ve interacted with seem to wander around somewhat aimlessly clicking on things with the mouse. Good luck getting them to clearly describe the problem they’re having as well.

 

Anyway, this discussion is rather silly.

Did someone actually suggest that going NVDA > Help > About, or WindowsKey+R > Winver > Enter is difficult? Really?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: August 27, 2022 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] System information on demand (Was: Please read and consider: importance of providing exact (or almost exact) Windows version information will be helpful soon

 

You are expressing a reaction with no explanatory content.  That makes the message meaningless as far as providing content that can be discussed.  Why do you disagree? 

Gene

On 8/27/2022 4:11 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

 
---
We believe that every Blind + Vision Impaired person Deserves the right to freely & easily access a computer!
WE CREATE THE SOFTWARE WHICH MAKES THAT POSSIBL
---
 
Perhaps we should consider adding the following to the section:
Of course, it will never be as easy for blind people to use computers as it is for sighted people. Therefore, you should never attempt this without computer literate sighted friends in the immediate vicinity.
 
What bull crap.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

 



locked Re: System information on demand (Was: Please read and consider: importance of providing exact (or almost exact) Windows version information will be helpful soon

Chris Smart
 

I strongly disagree with Yeti’s implication that anybody  here is suggesting computer users who are blind keep a handy sighted person around.

Is that better, Jean?

 

Further, while we’re making sweeping generalizations, I will suggest that most sighted people I know have very little computer knowledge. Many I’ve interacted with seem to wander around somewhat aimlessly clicking on things with the mouse. Good luck getting them to clearly describe the problem they’re having as well.

 

Anyway, this discussion is rather silly.

Did someone actually suggest that going NVDA > Help > About, or WindowsKey+R > Winver > Enter is difficult? Really?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: August 27, 2022 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] System information on demand (Was: Please read and consider: importance of providing exact (or almost exact) Windows version information will be helpful soon

 

You are expressing a reaction with no explanatory content.  That makes the message meaningless as far as providing content that can be discussed.  Why do you disagree? 

Gene

On 8/27/2022 4:11 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

 
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We believe that every Blind + Vision Impaired person Deserves the right to freely & easily access a computer!
WE CREATE THE SOFTWARE WHICH MAKES THAT POSSIBL
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Perhaps we should consider adding the following to the section:
Of course, it will never be as easy for blind people to use computers as it is for sighted people. Therefore, you should never attempt this without computer literate sighted friends in the immediate vicinity.
 
What bull crap.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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locked Re: System information on demand (Was: Please read and consider: importance of providing exact (or almost exact) Windows version information will be helpful soon

Chris Smart
 

I really am not sure how we got from “include Windows and screen reader version” with your bug reports or requests for help, to this strange discussion.

Presumably, Yeti teaches his students to find “About” on the Help menu of a program or type Winver into the Windows Run dialog box. If not, why not, Yeti?

It’s not difficult.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: August 27, 2022 5:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] System information on demand (Was: Please read and consider: importance of providing exact (or almost exact) Windows version information will be helpful soon

 

I'm not sure I understand your message.  What shouldn't people try without a computer literate sighted person available?  There are computer training materials teaching Windows and Windows programs that blind people use constantly with no sighted person available.  These materials are generally developed assuming no sighted assistance.

As for ease of use, what do you mean?  It takes more work for a blind person to learn to use a computer.  Once that work is done and the blind person knows well what he/she is doing, assuming good instructions and a reasonable aptitude, it is generally not harder to use a computer. 

If you are talking about programs where you have to use object navigation or explore the screen, it takes more work than just looking at a screen and immediately seeing what you want to click on but a general statement that it is harder to use a computer is not correct.

Gene

On 8/27/2022 4:07 PM, Yeti wrote:

Hello Brian and All,
 
until they are turning to a technical support group for help.
 
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We believe that every Blind + Vision Impaired person Deserves the right to freely & easily access a computer!
WE CREATE THE SOFTWARE WHICH MAKES THAT POSSIBL
---
 
Perhaps we should consider adding the following to the section:
Of course, it will never be as easy for blind people to use computers as it is for sighted people. Therefore, you should never attempt this without computer literate sighted friends in the immediate vicinity.
 
Btw.
I've been training and supporting blind and sighted computer users for over 20 years. About half of them as professional. From that time I know what can make people fail.
 
Per Aspera 
 
Yeti 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 


locked Re: System information on demand (Was: Please read and consider: importance of providing exact (or almost exact) Windows version information will be helpful soon

Gene
 

You are expressing a reaction with no explanatory content.  That makes the message meaningless as far as providing content that can be discussed.  Why do you disagree? 

Gene

On 8/27/2022 4:11 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

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We believe that every Blind + Vision Impaired person Deserves the right to freely & easily access a computer!
WE CREATE THE SOFTWARE WHICH MAKES THAT POSSIBL
---

Perhaps we should consider adding the following to the section:
Of course, it will never be as easy for blind people to use computers as it is for sighted people. Therefore, you should never attempt this without computer literate sighted friends in the immediate vicinity.

What bull crap.








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