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Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

I found Roger dudley on linkedin. Roger Dudley is the person who owns or used to won speech-fx-inc who bought decTalk from Fonix corporation, formerly digital equipment corporation back in the 1980s and 1990s. And so I tried contacting him onlinkedin several times and I got no reply. I found a phone number for speech-fx-inc and I called it and it is a dead discontinued phone number. I also getting in touch with people on linkedin who have connections to Roger Dudley and they tried helping me to get in touch with speech-fx, and they got no where just like me. Long story short it seems like decTalk is abandoned. Jake Gross's website has NVDA has decTalk addons.


Re: nvda and Firefox?

 

hi.
yes, you can download firefox 89.0.1 version.
also, the issue only affects 64 bit version of firefox.

On 7/10/21, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com> wrote:
A few weeks back there was discussion that a Firefox update wasn't very
accessible in a few ways but that a fix would be coming. Has the new
Firefox with these fixes out by now? I just got a notice that a new
version is available and just want to know if I should go ahead and get
it or still wait a bit.

Thanks.

Roger







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


nvda and Firefox?

Roger Stewart
 

A few weeks back there was discussion that a Firefox update wasn't very accessible in a few ways but that a fix would be coming. Has the new Firefox with these fixes out by now? I just got a notice that a new version is available and just want to know if I should go ahead and get it or still wait a bit.

Thanks.

Roger


AVPageView text frame in Adobe Reader

Felix G.
 

Dear NVDA community,
when I open a pdf file with Adobe Reader, focus tends to land on
something called AVPageView text frame. The arrow keys do not read
anything in this control, and it has no child objects. When I alt+tab
out of then back into Adobe Reader, I can read the file just fine.
Observed with NVDA 2020.4 and Adobe Acrobat Reader DC Continuous
Release | Version 2021.005.20048.
JAWS does not have this problem.
Any advice is appreciated.
Best,
Felix


Re: Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

Olcay AŞCI
 

ml callers; for some reason it is not compressed.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2021 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

 

Or Multi Language!

 

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: 10 July 2021 09:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

 

 

Several new voices as well as ml varients so maybe ml means mobile they

don't sound much different.

 


Re: Compatibility updates to the "Golden Cursor" add-on will not be provided

Rowen Cary
 

To make it compatible with 2021.1 only need to change the addon compatibility flag, I did this and it worked well.


Re: Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

Chris
 

Or Multi Language!

 

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: 10 July 2021 09:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

 

 

Several new voices as well as ml varients so maybe ml means mobile they

don't sound much different.

 


Re: Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

Socheat
 

Hi shaun,
That's good to know. However, I don't have the sapi5 package to test it at the moment, so I will not see the new voices that have been added. I'd assume they added those new voices to their latest driver for NVDA as well?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2021 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

I just got the sapi update after reading this message.

A note, there are a lot of updated voices, so you will have to uninstall then reinstall all the voices that have updates after updating your eloquence and vocaliser sapi package.

Also please note that a lot of voices will become uninstalled after the updates but their names will remain in the registry.

To fix it appears all you need to do is uninstall all the voices that have updates, and reinstall all voices.

I wish there was some way to remove all the broken voices or to update all the voices but oh well, its taken me an hour and the voices are installed.

Several new voices as well as ml varients so maybe ml means mobile they don't sound much different.

Its good to see a few more voices especially another one for australia.




On 9/07/2021 8:57 pm, Socheat wrote:
Hi list,

Just in case some of you may not be aware, CF has already put up the
latest driver for their voices to support NVDA 2021.1.






.


Re: Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

Socheat
 

Hi
The latest addon can be found on there official website at https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teddy Bear Cute
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2021 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

Where is the link?

-----Mesej Asli-----
Daripada: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Bagi Pihak Shaun Everiss
Hantar: Saturday, 10 July, 2021 4:24 PM
Kepada: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subjek: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

I just got the sapi update after reading this message.

A note, there are a lot of updated voices, so you will have to uninstall then reinstall all the voices that have updates after updating your eloquence and vocaliser sapi package.

Also please note that a lot of voices will become uninstalled after the updates but their names will remain in the registry.

To fix it appears all you need to do is uninstall all the voices that have updates, and reinstall all voices.

I wish there was some way to remove all the broken voices or to update all the voices but oh well, its taken me an hour and the voices are installed.

Several new voices as well as ml varients so maybe ml means mobile they don't sound much different.

Its good to see a few more voices especially another one for australia.




On 9/07/2021 8:57 pm, Socheat wrote:
Hi list,

Just in case some of you may not be aware, CF has already put up the
latest driver for their voices to support NVDA 2021.1.






.


Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

 

Also from redmondpie, battery life on the m1 is more officient than standard so yeah.

On 10/07/2021 6:31 pm, simon wheatcroft wrote:
Hi,

Just to jump in on the M1 comment. I have a new MacBook Air with the M1, i run the insiders build of windows 10 and use NVDA through that.

Works surprisingly well, i do have the base MacBook Air with 8Gb of RAM and the performance is surprising. So if you have more RAM to dedicate to the VM than i do the performance will be even better.

I do however, find the current performance acceptable.
On 10 Jul 2021, at 00:12, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

hello the latest mac book pro 13 inch has the M1 chip which you probably do not want based on your requirements. Every computer in my house is a macintosh and I would be glad to help you offlist in getting started with ,the Mac.
Jonathan Cohn
On Jul 9, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@gmail.com> wrote:

Just wanted to thank all of you for the responses. It has calmed my nerves greatly! From what I understand, this is the latest generation of MacBook Pro so I’m imagining it has the necessary hardware to run windows. If anything, maybe I’m in for a real treat and I’ll become a McIntosh fanboy after this experience. LOL. Thanks again guys

On Jul 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io <lukasz.golonka=mailbox.org@groups.io> wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:29:00 -0700
lukelistservs@gmail.com wrote:

I accepted a new developer job and found out today my new employer is
shipping me a MacBook Pro as my work computer. This was surprising
considering we'll be developing in C#.Net in Visual Studio, an IDE for
which I do not believe there is even a Mac version at this time.

Visual Studio for Mac exists for some time now - see here
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/mac/#vs_mac_table
I haven't used it myself but from various lists I gather it is more or
less accessible with VoiceOver

Sounds like we'll be using BootCamp or something similar. I have
zero experience with Macs and am terrified this is going to be a huge
and unexpected learning curve that will slow down my onboarding.

If you've never used Mac with VO before and it'll turn out you're indeed
required to use VS under Mac then it certainly would.

Anyway, is it possible to use NVDA in a Windows mode of Mac and does it
work just like on a real PC? One of those articles I skimmed mentioned
that the Mac doesn't have an Insert key, the default NVDA key and that
there might be some other keyboard discrepancies, but I would plan on
just connecting an external Windows-style keyboard anyway, provided that
will work. Any reassurance, tips or guidance on this would be hugely
appreciated.

I've been using Windows via \Bootcamp on my Mac for about a year without
much troubles with NVDA it was however an older model and more
importantly a desktop one.
If your Macbook is going to be an one of the recently released with an
M1 processor then you're out of luck since Windows cannot be made to run
on it natively for the time being and while virtualizing it appears to
be possible there is apparently a big lag with assistive technologies
when using it that way.
Also an external keyboard is certainly something which should be
considered since newest Mac models don't have a physical row of function
keys and while VoiceOver allows to emulate them it is impossible to do
under windows.

--
Regards
Lukasz











Re: Code Factory voices for nvda

 

Well if you have your atguys link, if the sapi voices for eloquence and vocaliser are anything to go on just download it from your atguys email link and its going to work.

Please read the message just posted about voices and such.

I wish they told me about the voices because while its all fixed now with the voices all reinstalled, I have used systems with broken voices and it screws up sapi big time, the only way to fix it is to do a clean install of the os.

This is probably something I will bring up with code factory because while its fixed now there is no way to get rid of the voices that are broken and if I was told an update was going to require extra steps I would have uninstalled all voices before updating.

On 10/07/2021 2:21 am, Don H wrote:
If I purchased my code factory vocalizer package from ATGuys can I still download the NVDA addon from the code factory web site?





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Re: Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

Teddy Bear Cute
 

Where is the link?

-----Mesej Asli-----
Daripada: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Bagi Pihak Shaun Everiss
Hantar: Saturday, 10 July, 2021 4:24 PM
Kepada: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subjek: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

I just got the sapi update after reading this message.

A note, there are a lot of updated voices, so you will have to uninstall then reinstall all the voices that have updates after updating your eloquence and vocaliser sapi package.

Also please note that a lot of voices will become uninstalled after the updates but their names will remain in the registry.

To fix it appears all you need to do is uninstall all the voices that have updates, and reinstall all voices.

I wish there was some way to remove all the broken voices or to update all the voices but oh well, its taken me an hour and the voices are installed.

Several new voices as well as ml varients so maybe ml means mobile they don't sound much different.

Its good to see a few more voices especially another one for australia.

On 9/07/2021 8:57 pm, Socheat wrote:
Hi list,

Just in case some of you may not be aware, CF has already put up the
latest driver for their voices to support NVDA 2021.1.






.


Re: Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

 

I just got the sapi update after reading this message.

A note, there are a lot of updated voices, so you will have to uninstall then reinstall all the voices that have updates after updating your eloquence and vocaliser sapi package.

Also please note that  a lot of voices will become uninstalled after the updates but their names will remain in the registry.

To fix it appears all you need to do is uninstall all the voices that have updates, and reinstall all voices.

I wish there was some way to remove all the broken voices or to update all the voices but oh well, its taken me an hour and the voices are installed.

Several new voices as well as ml varients so maybe ml means mobile they don't sound much different.

Its good to see a few more voices especially another one for australia.

On 9/07/2021 8:57 pm, Socheat wrote:
Hi list,

Just in case some of you may not be aware, CF has already put up the latest driver for their voices to support NVDA 2021.1.





.


Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

simon wheatcroft
 

Hi,

Just to jump in on the M1 comment. I have a new MacBook Air with the M1, i run the insiders build of windows 10 and use NVDA through that.

Works surprisingly well, i do have the base MacBook Air with 8Gb of RAM and the performance is surprising. So if you have more RAM to dedicate to the VM than i do the performance will be even better.

I do however, find the current performance acceptable.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 00:12, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

hello the latest mac book pro 13 inch has the M1 chip which you probably do not want based on your requirements. Every computer in my house is a macintosh and I would be glad to help you offlist in getting started with ,the Mac.
Jonathan Cohn
On Jul 9, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@gmail.com> wrote:

Just wanted to thank all of you for the responses. It has calmed my nerves greatly! From what I understand, this is the latest generation of MacBook Pro so I’m imagining it has the necessary hardware to run windows. If anything, maybe I’m in for a real treat and I’ll become a McIntosh fanboy after this experience. LOL. Thanks again guys

On Jul 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io <lukasz.golonka=mailbox.org@groups.io> wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:29:00 -0700
lukelistservs@gmail.com wrote:

I accepted a new developer job and found out today my new employer is
shipping me a MacBook Pro as my work computer. This was surprising
considering we'll be developing in C#.Net in Visual Studio, an IDE for
which I do not believe there is even a Mac version at this time.

Visual Studio for Mac exists for some time now - see here
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/mac/#vs_mac_table
I haven't used it myself but from various lists I gather it is more or
less accessible with VoiceOver

Sounds like we'll be using BootCamp or something similar. I have
zero experience with Macs and am terrified this is going to be a huge
and unexpected learning curve that will slow down my onboarding.

If you've never used Mac with VO before and it'll turn out you're indeed
required to use VS under Mac then it certainly would.

Anyway, is it possible to use NVDA in a Windows mode of Mac and does it
work just like on a real PC? One of those articles I skimmed mentioned
that the Mac doesn't have an Insert key, the default NVDA key and that
there might be some other keyboard discrepancies, but I would plan on
just connecting an external Windows-style keyboard anyway, provided that
will work. Any reassurance, tips or guidance on this would be hugely
appreciated.

I've been using Windows via \Bootcamp on my Mac for about a year without
much troubles with NVDA it was however an older model and more
importantly a desktop one.
If your Macbook is going to be an one of the recently released with an
M1 processor then you're out of luck since Windows cannot be made to run
on it natively for the time being and while virtualizing it appears to
be possible there is apparently a big lag with assistive technologies
when using it that way.
Also an external keyboard is certainly something which should be
considered since newest Mac models don't have a physical row of function
keys and while VoiceOver allows to emulate them it is impossible to do
under windows.

--
Regards
Lukasz












Re: Code Factory voices for nvda

David Goldfield
 

In my case I encountered an error when I upgraded my instance of NVDA from 2020.4 to 2021.1 RC2 after installing the new version of the Code Factory addon. I had to go through a lot of drama to fix the problem. Long story short: I do recommend deactivating your current license prior to installing the new version of both NVDA and the addon. It's a bit more work but may save some people some headaches.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory voices for nvda

If I purchased my code factory vocalizer package from ATGuys can I still download the NVDA addon from the code factory web site?


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Michael Munn
 

David Grossgan used to have a website that have the Dectalk add-ons include Access 32. But, that add-on was out of support eversince NVDA 2019.3. Personally, I like Dectalk more than EloquencePersonal preference  




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On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 10:07 PM Micallef Michael at FITA <michael.micallef@...> wrote:

I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

 

CAUTION: This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.

 

As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either. 

 

You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk. 

 

Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

 

I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6. 


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Michael Micallef at FITA
 

I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

 

CAUTION: This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.

 

As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either. 

 

You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk. 

 

Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

 

I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6. 


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

David Goldfield
 

I agree with Gene. While I won’t say that I’ve done an exhaustive search the searching that I have done leads to nothing but dead ends. I specifically looked for Sapi5 voices as I seriously doubt that an NVDA addon exists that will be compatible with version 2021.1. So far I’ve found nothing that appears to be both legal as well as purchasable.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 8:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

 

As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either. 

 

You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk. 

 

Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

 

I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6. 


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Gene
 

As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either. 
 
You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk. 
 
Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
 
I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6. 


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6. 

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