I'm saying that from the user's point of view, updating is the same.  I haven't seen anything about what you are saying, if I understand it correctly.  You appear to be saying that when you update a portable version of a program, an entirely new version of the program is placed on the machine and when you update an installed version, new files are added so technically, the procedure is the same.  But from the standpoint of the user, you follow the same procedure to update.

Gene

On 8/9/2022 9:39 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:33 AM, Gene wrote:

the program will update just as it does wherever it is located.

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You need to explain yourself further on this one.

When I (and most computer people) use the term update it refers to the program itself, not user settings that may be associated with it, whether it's a portable copy or installed.

Portable copies do not update.  Fresh copies are created.  You can ask NVDA to create a new portable copy of another version in the same place, but you have to ask it to do that, whether through the NVDA installer or from the Create Portable Copy function in NVDA Tools.  This is in contrast to how the installed copy will auto-update where all you do is confirm that this is what you want to allow.

The above is not hair splitting, it's a fundamental difference.
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On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:33 AM, Gene wrote:

the program will update just as it does wherever it is located.

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You need to explain yourself further on this one.

When I (and most computer people) use the term update it refers to the program itself, not user settings that may be associated with it, whether it's a portable copy or installed.

Portable copies do not update.  Fresh copies are created.  You can ask NVDA to create a new portable copy of another version in the same place, but you have to ask it to do that, whether through the NVDA installer or from the Create Portable Copy function in NVDA Tools.  This is in contrast to how the installed copy will auto-update where all you do is confirm that this is what you want to allow.

The above is not hair splitting, it's a fundamental difference.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

Try anything on https://www.surveymonkey.com/welcome/sem/?program=7013A000000mweBQAQ&utm_bu=CR&utm_campaign=71700000059189136&utm_adgroup=58700005812074793&utm_content=43700053053420456&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=adwords&utm_term=p53053420456&utm_kxconfid=s4bvpi0ju&language=&test=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwrzz8-W5-QIV5xPUAR0yLgruEAAYASAAEgJGTfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

That is where the majority of the surveys come from for the blind and they do a good job.

They even have samples.

Hello, all,

 

Somebody replied this evening saying that they answer ranking question frequently with no problem. Unfortunately, I lost the contact.

 

If you find that ranking questions give you no problem, would you like to help me by letting me have a link to a recent form that worked for you? That is just what I need in order to assist by learning colleagues.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

Original email earlier today:

I have recently discovered how to answer a ranking question in a survey form. I have colleagues with a visual impairment who are also users of NVDA and would like to practice on a sample of such a question. I have approached Microsoft without success. They say that they cannot provide a sample even though I clearly do not need an actual live survey.

 

A marketing survey would be a possible option. In such a survey the questions can be treated as live without causing a problem to the survey owner such as a shopping survey.

 

All suggestions welcome!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

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It's possible to make and run a portable copy of NVDA (or any other program that has a portable variant) from any media of your choosing.

Although portable variants are intended to be, well, portable the two things that determine that they truly are:
1. They're placed on media that can be carried with you, e.g., a thumb drive, SD card, external HDD.
2. They do not install, and by that I mean in the literal sense.  Installed programs make entries in the Windows Registry and also often either add libraries of their own into the existing collection or rely on libraries from it.  Portable variants do neither of those things and everything they need is self-contained in the folder structure created.

The NVDA installer (whether a fresh one downloaded from NVAccess, or the built-in auto update function) does not update portable copies.  If you want updated portable copies you need to have NVDA make new ones for you.

So, yes, you can create a folder such as C:\Portable_Programs\NVDA and create a portable copy of NVDA there, and it will remain there, and can be run from there, and it will never be updated unless you update it.  You can also, at the same time, have an active installed version of NVDA on the same machine.  Some people create portable copies of whatever version of NVDA it is that they currently have running, and do so in a dedicated folder on their hard drives, immediately prior to updating to a new version as an "insurance policy" against possible issues.

By the way, once you have a portable copy on anything, the root folder can be copied over to as many other places as you might wish, and you have additional portable copies since all pieces needed to run a portable copy are contained in the folder structure.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

It's possible to make and run

a portable copy of NVDA (or any other program that has a portable variant) from any media of your choosing.

Although portable variants are intended to be, well, portable the two things that determine that they truly are:
1. They're placed on media that can be carried with you, e.g., a thumb drive, SD card, external HDD.
2. They do not install, and by that I mean in the literal sense.  Installed programs make entries in the Windows Registry and also often either add libraries of their own into the existing collection or rely on libraries from it.  Portable variants do neither of those things and everything they need is self-contained in the folder structure created.

The NVDA installer (whether a fresh one downloaded from NVAccess, or the built-in auto update function) does not update portable copies.  If you want updated portable copies you need to have NVDA make new ones for you.

So, yes, you can create a folder such as C:\Portable_Programs\NVDA and create a portable copy of NVDA there, and it will remain there, and can be run from there, and it will never be updated unless you update it.  You can also, at the same time, have an active installed version of NVDA on the same machine.  Some people create portable copies of whatever version of NVDA it is that they currently have running, and do so in a dedicated folder on their hard drives, immediately prior to updating to a new version as an "insurance policy" against possible issues.

By the way, once you have a portable copy on anything, the root folder can be copied over to as many other places as you might wish, and you have additional portable copies since all pieces needed to run a portable copy are contained in the folder structure.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

Is it possible to run a portable copy of NVDA from a folder on a hard drive?  When it wants to update, will it update the portable copy; wherever it might be located?  Thanks

<HT>

The progress bar is now beeping as it should since I updated to the latest version.  The past 2 versions this did not work.  Guess they changed something so NVDA can see the progress bar while receiving messages.


Roger

Well in Windows 10, I've seen this quite a bit, but usually only on third party software. I don't know but its one reason why on this working everyday machine I have shunned Windows 10.

I do have it on a laptop, but regularly find settings have changed after an update like the views of files and folders and the security settings.
Brian

Just a thought, as obviously I do not have a need for Japanese, but could there have been a windows update which has caused them to disappear?
Brian

Just checked, and all the voices are visible within Narrator when I go to install more, but NVDA doesn't see them when I switch to 1Core voices in the Speech Settings. What's going on?

On 9/08/2022 5:17 pm, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

A couple weeks ago, I installed the OneCore voices for Japanese and a few others, so I could use them in future. I had a bit of trouble getting them to stick around initially, but they seemed to cooperate, not disappearing after restarts. I just went and checked, though, and I'm back to only the voices for US English and Australian English.


Is there a way to stop Windows from removing these voices whenever I look away for too long?

I get this problem too, the other is that some  forms are inconsistent as to where the button description is, or whether the ranking is high to low or the oteher way around or indeed if the button or description is first. Gets even worse when some are tables and others not. I think there is a lot of education needed for form designers.
Brian