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Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Brian Vogel
 

On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 04:59 PM, Gene wrote:
Speaking of people not understanding what to update and what not, here is an important article.
https://www.howtogeek.com/369656/dont-click-check-for-updates-unless-you-want-unstable-windows-10-updates/
It is about Windows 10.  I haven't checked online to see if this is any different in Windows 11.
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Not that this is your fault, but that article is grossly out of date.  This is one of the reasons I try to encourage people to update to a given Windows release, if they intend to, as promptly as possible after the "bleeding edge" period is over, and I consider that to be 6 months.

Check for updates has not worked as noted there for some time.  It will pull back optional updates, but those are placed in their own Optional Quality Updates section on the Windows Update screen, and you must choose to download and install them.  I've had several sitting there over time, and I do agree with the principle that applying optional updates is bad practice if your goal is to maintain maximum system stability.

2018 is several lifetimes ago for Windows 10 in the age of Windows As A Service and there have been major changes to the behaviors of Windows Update since then.
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Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Nermin
 

Hi Brian,


Thunderbird notified me of an update right through the "About..." dialogue, so whether or not I am an exception to a rule among other exceptions is irrelevant to me.

Had I opted into some sort of beta, gone to the website and downloaded a beta build, I would have been a happy beta user until its official release. But since the programme itself offered me the update through the release channel, it's not my responsibility to check whether or not this version was put out as a full release by mistake, which I cannot really imagine happened at that point anyway.


Regards,

Nermin
Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Gene
 

Also, regarding updating to version 102.2 of Thunderbird, whenever the update is released for automatic update, most users will be automatically updated.  Since there is the known problem being discussed with this version, if you don't want to update, set NVDA to let you know about updates but let you choose whether to install them.

If you do this, a dialog will come up off and on in Thunderbird telling you that an update is available.  Just press escape and continue with what you were doing.

I don't want programs to automatically update and I use that setting.

To change this setting, do the following:
Open tools, alt t.
Up arrow once to settings and press enter.
You will be on an edit field for searching settings.
I believe that using defaults, you will automatically be in focus mode and can type in the field.  If you aren't, do what is appropriate.  You are working with a web page interface.

Type update.  Don't ;press enter.
Tab until you get to a radio button that says something like automatically update.  If it has been changed from the default, it will say something like check for updates but let me decide to install them.
That is the one you want checked. 
Once it is, close settings with control f4, not with alt f4.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 3:59 PM, Gene wrote:

Speaking of people not understanding what to update and what not, here is an important article.
https://www.howtogeek.com/369656/dont-click-check-for-updates-unless-you-want-unstable-windows-10-updates/
It is about Windows 10.  I haven't checked online to see if this is any different in Windows 11.

As far as I can see, what is being discussed in this article is what NVDA sees as a button in the Windows update dialog.  There is a button that says check for updates.

Don't press it unless you want unstable updates that haven't been fully tested and may be harmful. 

There is nothing wrong with opening the updates dialog and seeing if any new updates are available.  But don't press the check for updates button unless you want to receive what amount to beta updates that may be harmful.

Gene
On 8/7/2022 3:28 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 04:04 PM, Gene wrote:
The program itself is telling you to update if you rely on information in the about dialog.  It also tells you that you are on the main update channel. 
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Indeed.  If you have automatic updating enabled, but are between the check for update cycles (as it's not checked every 5 minutes, but every few days), going to the Help menu and choosing About Thunderbird will trigger a manual check for updates, and will notify you if one is available and tell you what the version number of that update actually is.

So far, in my personal experience, I have not seen a single instance of Thunderbird 91.X ever offer anything other than the next of the 91.X dot releases.  A jump to the on-hundred or higher (and I think one oh two is the first in that series that has now been released) versions has not been offered.  And this is congruent with what Mozilla states about the update progression as it currently exists at the time of this writing.

I've also learned, and this is not meant to be accusatory, that a very great many end users have taken actions that they neither realize they have taken or have applied updates they weren't exactly aware they were applying.  One of my perennial favorites is those who claim that either Windows 10 Feature Updates or the in-place upgradt to Windows 11 happened without their input.  Ever since full-automatic updating for these classes of changes ceased there is always a "Download and install" link for them, with the description of what you're downloading and installing before it.  How anyone "misses" this before activating that link will always elude me.  This has absolutely nothing to do with a given users visual status.  I run in to this all the time when I'm out tending to people's computers.  They're not lying, in the conventional sense, in many cases when they say, "But I didn't {insert thing here/update in this conversation."  But they are mistaken, as certain update paths just do not happen, settings do not get changed, unless you as an individual or something you chose to install actually goes in and makes settings changes.  And in some cases, there are ways to verify what actually happened, though you seldom want to involve the client in that regard, but where having done so makes it easier to determine how to proceed or to back out a given change.
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The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard
Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Gene
 

Speaking of people not understanding what to update and what not, here is an important article.
https://www.howtogeek.com/369656/dont-click-check-for-updates-unless-you-want-unstable-windows-10-updates/
It is about Windows 10.  I haven't checked online to see if this is any different in Windows 11.

As far as I can see, what is being discussed in this article is what NVDA sees as a button in the Windows update dialog.  There is a button that says check for updates.

Don't press it unless you want unstable updates that haven't been fully tested and may be harmful. 

There is nothing wrong with opening the updates dialog and seeing if any new updates are available.  But don't press the check for updates button unless you want to receive what amount to beta updates that may be harmful.

Gene
On 8/7/2022 3:28 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 04:04 PM, Gene wrote:
The program itself is telling you to update if you rely on information in the about dialog.  It also tells you that you are on the main update channel. 
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Indeed.  If you have automatic updating enabled, but are between the check for update cycles (as it's not checked every 5 minutes, but every few days), going to the Help menu and choosing About Thunderbird will trigger a manual check for updates, and will notify you if one is available and tell you what the version number of that update actually is.

So far, in my personal experience, I have not seen a single instance of Thunderbird 91.X ever offer anything other than the next of the 91.X dot releases.  A jump to the on-hundred or higher (and I think one oh two is the first in that series that has now been released) versions has not been offered.  And this is congruent with what Mozilla states about the update progression as it currently exists at the time of this writing.

I've also learned, and this is not meant to be accusatory, that a very great many end users have taken actions that they neither realize they have taken or have applied updates they weren't exactly aware they were applying.  One of my perennial favorites is those who claim that either Windows 10 Feature Updates or the in-place upgradt to Windows 11 happened without their input.  Ever since full-automatic updating for these classes of changes ceased there is always a "Download and install" link for them, with the description of what you're downloading and installing before it.  How anyone "misses" this before activating that link will always elude me.  This has absolutely nothing to do with a given users visual status.  I run in to this all the time when I'm out tending to people's computers.  They're not lying, in the conventional sense, in many cases when they say, "But I didn't {insert thing here/update in this conversation."  But they are mistaken, as certain update paths just do not happen, settings do not get changed, unless you as an individual or something you chose to install actually goes in and makes settings changes.  And in some cases, there are ways to verify what actually happened, though you seldom want to involve the client in that regard, but where having done so makes it easier to determine how to proceed or to back out a given change.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard
Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Brian Vogel
 
Edited

On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 04:04 PM, Gene wrote:
The program itself is telling you to update if you rely on information in the about dialog.  It also tells you that you are on the main update channel. 
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Indeed.  If you have automatic updating enabled, but are between the check for update cycles (as it's not checked every 5 minutes, but every few days), going to the Help menu and choosing About Thunderbird will trigger a manual check for updates, and will notify you if one is available and tell you what the version number of that update actually is.

So far, in my personal experience, I have not seen a single instance of Thunderbird 91.X ever offer anything other than the next of the 91.X dot releases.  A jump to the on-hundred or higher (and I think one oh two is the first in that series that has now been released) versions has not been offered.  And this is congruent with what Mozilla states about the update progression as it currently exists at the time of this writing.

I've also learned, and this is not meant to be accusatory, that a very great many end users have taken actions that they neither realize they have taken or have applied updates they weren't exactly aware they were applying.  One of my perennial favorites is those who claim that either Windows 10 Feature Updates or the in-place upgrade to Windows 11 happened without their input.  Ever since full-automatic updating for these classes of changes ceased there is always a "Download and install" link for them, with the description of what you're downloading and installing before it.  How anyone "misses" this before activating that link will always elude me.  This has absolutely nothing to do with a given users visual status.  I run in to this all the time when I'm out tending to people's computers.  They're not lying, in the conventional sense, in many cases when they say, "But I didn't {insert thing here/update in this conversation."  But they are mistaken, as certain update paths just do not happen, settings do not get changed, unless you as an individual or something you chose to install actually goes in and makes settings changes.  And in some cases, there are ways to verify what actually happened, though you seldom want to involve the client in that regard, but where having done so makes it easier to determine how to proceed or to back out a given change.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard
Re: inserted advertising

Howard Traxler
 

Thank you Tyler, It looks like your first suggestion did the job.
<HT>

On 8/7/2022 10:21 AM, Tyler Spivey via groups.io wrote:
If you want to remove the word inserted, uncheck Editor revisions in NVDA's Document Formatting settings.
But if that still isn't enough for you and you want to remove the advertisements altogether, look into an adblocker. I've found uBlock Origin works well enough with NVDA.
You'll sometimes need to deactivate it on certain sites, but if you're browsing in Chrome, F6 will get you to the address bar, then tab will get you to the set of buttons. After that, you can right arrow to uBlock Origin and activate it with space.


On 8/7/2022 7:46 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
On many websites, on lots of lines NVDA says

inserted advertising inserted inserted

This information doesn't seem to be on screen so it's probably a function of NVDA.  I'm sure it's something I can turn off if I knew how or where.  Can someone give me a hand with this one?


Thank you

Howard or <HT>








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Re: Excel not speaking cell coordinates or content on startup or refocus

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I remember a fix but can not remember what version of excel it was but one was apparently if you went into excel then tried to arrow around say from a1 to other cells it would not say any thing.


Apparently if the scroll lock was on it would cause this problem


When turned off you could arrow around and hear what was in each cell. Maybe it was hit accidentally.


I did also about the same time see the other suggestion given but think it was for latest excel?



Let us know if it was the scroll lock causing the problem?


Gene nz

On 7/08/2022 6:23 pm, William wrote:
Luke

My experience is disabling the uia option in nvda will correctly report the set column and row header.


Luke Davis 於 7/8/2022 07:10 寫道:
Dark Count wrote:

I am running into a rather odd situation when I startup Excel
Or when I take focus away from it and minimize, then come back to it.
NVDA will say A1 selected, and then will not speak as I arrow around.
I had something similar to this happening with Office 2019, about 18 months ago. I reported it in a Github issue, but it never got any love. In my case, the logs showed that the virtual buffer was crashing, and the alt trick caused it to be reinitialized. But switching apps would also fix it, which doesn't seem to be happening with you.

Have you tried NVDA with add-ons disabled?

Also, have you tried the COM Registration Fixing Tool in the NVDA tools menu?

Luke
Re: inserted advertising

Howard Traxler
 

When I hear this message, it's not always an ad; somehow NVDA just thinks it is.  I thought there would be something in NVDA to turn off?  One of the first responses did mention a switch in one of those NVDA menus; but I don't remember.  I'll have to go back in my mail and find it again.

<HT>

On 8/7/2022 1:56 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:
OK, so if I’m using chrome or edge,
Do I hit F9 to turn on reader mode/immersive reader?
I ask because sometimes it comes up on some websites and other times it doesn’t.
I hear jaws or Nbba or somebody like that say immersive reader sometimes but not all the time.



On Aug 7, 2022, at 1:36 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 Immersive reader is another name for reader mode.  It won't take away control from your screen-reader.  It may have a read aloud button where reading is not done by the screen-reader but you have to manually start that option.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 12:53 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I don't know about imersive reader. Reader mode strips out all the social media links e.g. "share on facebook" etc, as well as all the annoying ads that are sprinkled through many pages, letting you,k for example, see the ingredients and instructions for a recipe without the intervening disruptive ads. Or you can read an entire article without all those interruptions. In firefox, which is the easiest to use, in my view, you just hit f9 to invoke reader mode. That's all there is to it. When you move to another site, its turned off, so must be turned on each time you want to use it. You can also tottle it off if you're on a site where it didn't work well for some reason, just by hitting f9 again.


Mary


On 8/7/2022 9:59 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:
What is Reader mode?
Is it the same as immersive reader?
I seem to believe that if I use immersive reader it just continuously reads the whole webpage with no control to read line by line word by word, paragraph, etc.
On Aug 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

Use reader mode in your browser if available. Gets rid of all the crap.


Mary


On 8/7/2022 8:01 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:
I run into this a lot too and would appreciate any ideas about how to bypass it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: August 7, 2022 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserted advertising

On many websites, on lots of lines NVDA says

inserted advertising inserted inserted

This information doesn't seem to be on screen so it's probably a function of NVDA.  I'm sure it's something I can turn off if I knew how or where. Can someone give me a hand with this one?


Thank you

Howard or <HT>




















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Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Gene
 

And manually updating isn't limited to going to a web page, downloading the exe file and running it.

The about dialog in the program itself shows an update button unless you are now running 102.2.  The program itself is telling you to update if you rely on information in the about dialog.  It also tells you that you are on the main update channel. 

Gene

On 8/7/2022 10:08 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I am retracting my prior assertion about 102.X releases.  They have very recently been put on a PARALLEL release channel and it's now 102.x that will download from the main Thunderbird page (https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/, in the USA).  It's also reflected on the Thunderbird Releases page, and landed there at the very end of June.  The one-hundred-plus releases channel is, at the moment, disjoint from the earlier release channel progression.

But the "conventional release channel" (they don't term these channels at all well or distinctively) where automatic updates progress through from the lower numbers does end, at the moment, with 91.12.0.

It appears that at the moment there exist betas for both 103.X and 104.X releases.

I would advise those who have not manually downloaded the one-hundred-two release to replace their ninety-one release not to do so yet.  It's clear that it has introduced certain accessibility issues that keep being brought up.
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The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard
Re: inserted advertising

Gene
 

As I recall, in Chrome, this feature is hidden and must be turned on in the experimental settings category of settings.  this category of settings is not available in the ususal settings interface.  I'd have to look information about it again, but it is not intended that the general user know about the feature nor how to get to it.

Edge makes the feature available and provides a short cut command to toggle it on and off, f9.

It comes up on some web sites and not on others because the browser itself determines when it is appropriate to offer it.

There are pages without articles where it should not be offered.  If you are on a shopping site or the home page of a newspaper, it shouldn't be available.  One of its purposes is to remove extraneous material from articles.  Web pages without articles would be rendered useless if the same kind of material were removed.

As you will see from this interesting page, Immersive reader wasn't developed as a blindness accessibility tool, at least in the case of Edge.  Blind people may benefit from it but look at all the features offered, most of them visual. 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-immersive-reader-in-microsoft-edge-78a7a17d-52e1-47ee-b0ac-eff8539015e1

Gene

On 8/7/2022 1:56 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

OK, so if I’m using chrome or edge,
Do I hit F9 to turn on reader mode/immersive reader?
I ask because sometimes it comes up on some websites and other times it doesn’t.
I hear jaws or Nbba or somebody like that say immersive reader sometimes but not all the time.



On Aug 7, 2022, at 1:36 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 Immersive reader is another name for reader mode.  It won't take away control from your screen-reader.  It may have a read aloud button where reading is not done by the screen-reader but you have to manually start that option.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 12:53 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I don't know about imersive reader. Reader mode strips out all the social media links e.g. "share on facebook" etc, as well as all the annoying ads that are sprinkled through many pages, letting you,k for example, see the ingredients and instructions for a recipe without the intervening disruptive ads. Or you can read an entire article without all those interruptions. In firefox, which is the easiest to use, in my view, you just hit f9 to invoke reader mode. That's all there is to it. When you move to another site, its turned off, so must be turned on each time you want to use it. You can also tottle it off if you're on a site where it didn't work well for some reason, just by hitting f9 again.


Mary


On 8/7/2022 9:59 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:
What is Reader mode?
Is it the same as immersive reader?
I seem to believe that if I use immersive reader it just continuously reads the whole webpage with no control to read line by line word by word, paragraph, etc.
On Aug 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

Use reader mode in your browser if available. Gets rid of all the crap.


Mary


On 8/7/2022 8:01 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:
I run into this a lot too and would appreciate any ideas about how to bypass it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: August 7, 2022 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserted advertising

On many websites, on lots of lines NVDA says

inserted advertising inserted inserted

This information doesn't seem to be on screen so it's probably a function of NVDA.  I'm sure it's something I can turn off if I knew how or where.  Can someone give me a hand with this one?


Thank you

Howard or <HT>


























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Re: inserted advertising

JM Casey
 

In Firefox or Edge, yes. Chrome is a little different. It has a Reader Mode too, but it’s not enabled by default (unless this changed in very recent versions, but I don’t think so). You’ll need to type chrome://flags into the address bar. This will open a page of “deep settings” that control various browser functions. Look for “enable reader mode” (you can use the search box to do this, therea re a *lot* of flags in there) and activate it. Now, you’ll be able to enter reader mode on certain webpages. F9 won’t do it…I think the keystroke is ctrl-shift-r, and you’ll also see a button for it located in the address bar area if it’s available.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: August 7, 2022 02:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] inserted advertising

 

OK, so if I’m using chrome or edge,

Do I hit F9 to turn on reader mode/immersive reader?

I ask because sometimes it comes up on some websites and other times it doesn’t.

I hear jaws or Nbba or somebody like that say immersive reader sometimes but not all the time.

 

 



On Aug 7, 2022, at 1:36 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 Immersive reader is another name for reader mode.  It won't take away control from your screen-reader.  It may have a read aloud button where reading is not done by the screen-reader but you have to manually start that option.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 12:53 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I don't know about imersive reader. Reader mode strips out all the social media links e.g. "share on facebook" etc, as well as all the annoying ads that are sprinkled through many pages, letting you,k for example, see the ingredients and instructions for a recipe without the intervening disruptive ads. Or you can read an entire article without all those interruptions. In firefox, which is the easiest to use, in my view, you just hit f9 to invoke reader mode. That's all there is to it. When you move to another site, its turned off, so must be turned on each time you want to use it. You can also tottle it off if you're on a site where it didn't work well for some reason, just by hitting f9 again.


Mary


On 8/7/2022 9:59 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:

What is Reader mode?
Is it the same as immersive reader?
I seem to believe that if I use immersive reader it just continuously reads the whole webpage with no control to read line by line word by word, paragraph, etc.

On Aug 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

Use reader mode in your browser if available. Gets rid of all the crap.


Mary



On 8/7/2022 8:01 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:
I run into this a lot too and would appreciate any ideas about how to bypass it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: August 7, 2022 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserted advertising

On many websites, on lots of lines NVDA says

inserted advertising inserted inserted

This information doesn't seem to be on screen so it's probably a function of NVDA.  I'm sure it's something I can turn off if I knew how or where.  Can someone give me a hand with this one?


Thank you

Howard or <HT>























.

 
Re: inserted advertising

mike mcglashon
 

OK, so if I’m using chrome or edge,
Do I hit F9 to turn on reader mode/immersive reader?
I ask because sometimes it comes up on some websites and other times it doesn’t.
I hear jaws or Nbba or somebody like that say immersive reader sometimes but not all the time.



On Aug 7, 2022, at 1:36 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 Immersive reader is another name for reader mode.  It won't take away control from your screen-reader.  It may have a read aloud button where reading is not done by the screen-reader but you have to manually start that option.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 12:53 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I don't know about imersive reader. Reader mode strips out all the social media links e.g. "share on facebook" etc, as well as all the annoying ads that are sprinkled through many pages, letting you,k for example, see the ingredients and instructions for a recipe without the intervening disruptive ads. Or you can read an entire article without all those interruptions. In firefox, which is the easiest to use, in my view, you just hit f9 to invoke reader mode. That's all there is to it. When you move to another site, its turned off, so must be turned on each time you want to use it. You can also tottle it off if you're on a site where it didn't work well for some reason, just by hitting f9 again.


Mary


On 8/7/2022 9:59 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:
What is Reader mode?
Is it the same as immersive reader?
I seem to believe that if I use immersive reader it just continuously reads the whole webpage with no control to read line by line word by word, paragraph, etc.
On Aug 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

Use reader mode in your browser if available. Gets rid of all the crap.


Mary


On 8/7/2022 8:01 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:
I run into this a lot too and would appreciate any ideas about how to bypass it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: August 7, 2022 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserted advertising

On many websites, on lots of lines NVDA says

inserted advertising inserted inserted

This information doesn't seem to be on screen so it's probably a function of NVDA.  I'm sure it's something I can turn off if I knew how or where.  Can someone give me a hand with this one?


Thank you

Howard or <HT>


























.

Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Brian Vogel
 

Nermin,

I haven't, and I have tried triggering an update repeatedly.  This morning it took me to 91.12.0.

If I have to choose between what Mozilla says, and on group reports, I will go with what the software maker states when isolated exceptions are all that contradicts them. When you add in what I have observed, directly, well . . .
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard
Re: inserted advertising

Gene
 

Immersive reader is another name for reader mode.  It won't take away control from your screen-reader.  It may have a read aloud button where reading is not done by the screen-reader but you have to manually start that option.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 12:53 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I don't know about imersive reader. Reader mode strips out all the social media links e.g. "share on facebook" etc, as well as all the annoying ads that are sprinkled through many pages, letting you,k for example, see the ingredients and instructions for a recipe without the intervening disruptive ads. Or you can read an entire article without all those interruptions. In firefox, which is the easiest to use, in my view, you just hit f9 to invoke reader mode. That's all there is to it. When you move to another site, its turned off, so must be turned on each time you want to use it. You can also tottle it off if you're on a site where it didn't work well for some reason, just by hitting f9 again.


Mary


On 8/7/2022 9:59 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:
What is Reader mode?
Is it the same as immersive reader?
I seem to believe that if I use immersive reader it just continuously reads the whole webpage with no control to read line by line word by word, paragraph, etc.
On Aug 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

Use reader mode in your browser if available. Gets rid of all the crap.


Mary


On 8/7/2022 8:01 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:
I run into this a lot too and would appreciate any ideas about how to bypass it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: August 7, 2022 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserted advertising

On many websites, on lots of lines NVDA says

inserted advertising inserted inserted

This information doesn't seem to be on screen so it's probably a function of NVDA.  I'm sure it's something I can turn off if I knew how or where.  Can someone give me a hand with this one?


Thank you

Howard or <HT>


























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Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Nermin
 

Hi Brian,


I'll happily report what I said a month or so back, and what others also said a while ago.


I never installed any Thunderbird beta and was offered the upgrade to 102.X through the release channel from 91.2, or whatever the version was at the time.
Re: inserted advertising

Ann Byrne <annakb@...>
 

Sorry about that. I'm on the wrong screen reader.

At 12:50 PM 8/7/2022, you wrote:
I believe "inline frames" in the JAWS settings is supposed to let you skip the advertising stuff.
At 11:59 AM 8/7/2022, you wrote:
What is Reader mode?
Is it the same as immersive reader?
I seem to believe that if I use immersive reader it just continuously reads the whole webpage with no control to read line by line word by word, paragraph, etc.
On Aug 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

Use reader mode in your browser if available. Gets rid of all the crap.


Mary


On 8/7/2022 8:01 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:
I run into this a lot too and would
appreciate any ideas about how to bypass it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: August 7, 2022 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserted advertising

On many websites, on lots of lines NVDA says

inserted advertising inserted inserted

This information doesn't seem to be on
screen so it's probably a function of NVDA. I'm sure it's something I can turn off if I knew how or where. Can someone give me a hand with this one?


Thank you

Howard or <HT>
Re: inserted advertising

Mary Otten
 

I don't know about imersive reader. Reader mode strips out all the social media links e.g. "share on facebook" etc, as well as all the annoying ads that are sprinkled through many pages, letting you,k for example, see the ingredients and instructions for a recipe without the intervening disruptive ads. Or you can read an entire article without all those interruptions. In firefox, which is the easiest to use, in my view, you just hit f9 to invoke reader mode. That's all there is to it. When you move to another site, its turned off, so must be turned on each time you want to use it. You can also tottle it off if you're on a site where it didn't work well for some reason, just by hitting f9 again.


Mary

On 8/7/2022 9:59 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:
What is Reader mode?
Is it the same as immersive reader?
I seem to believe that if I use immersive reader it just continuously reads the whole webpage with no control to read line by line word by word, paragraph, etc.
On Aug 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

Use reader mode in your browser if available. Gets rid of all the crap.


Mary


On 8/7/2022 8:01 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:
I run into this a lot too and would appreciate any ideas about how to bypass it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: August 7, 2022 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserted advertising

On many websites, on lots of lines NVDA says

inserted advertising inserted inserted

This information doesn't seem to be on screen so it's probably a function of NVDA. I'm sure it's something I can turn off if I knew how or where. Can someone give me a hand with this one?


Thank you

Howard or <HT>
Re: inserted advertising

Ann Byrne <annakb@...>
 

I believe "inline frames" in the JAWS settings is supposed to let you skip the advertising stuff.

At 11:59 AM 8/7/2022, you wrote:
What is Reader mode?
Is it the same as immersive reader?
I seem to believe that if I use immersive reader it just continuously reads the whole webpage with no control to read line by line word by word, paragraph, etc.
On Aug 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

Use reader mode in your browser if available. Gets rid of all the crap.


Mary


On 8/7/2022 8:01 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:
I run into this a lot too and would
appreciate any ideas about how to bypass it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: August 7, 2022 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserted advertising

On many websites, on lots of lines NVDA says

inserted advertising inserted inserted

This information doesn't seem to be on
screen so it's probably a function of NVDA. I'm sure it's something I can turn off if I knew how or where. Can someone give me a hand with this one?


Thank you

Howard or <HT>
locked Re: Wordpad Shortcut to Desktop

Brian Vogel
 

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 07:02 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Brian, when I press enter on create shortcut under context menu I get no dialog.
Is it possible that the instructions do not work with Windows 11, but
work with older versions?
-
I have no idea what might be happening on your end, but I can confirm on mine, using Windows 11 Home Version 21H2, Build 22000.434, following the instructions in, Using the Microsoft Special Applications Folder for Creating Desktop Shortcuts, from end to end works as documented, with no silences or dialogs failing to pop up.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard
Re: inserted advertising

mike mcglashon
 

What is Reader mode?
Is it the same as immersive reader?
I seem to believe that if I use immersive reader it just continuously reads the whole webpage with no control to read line by line word by word, paragraph, etc.

On Aug 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

Use reader mode in your browser if available. Gets rid of all the crap.


Mary


On 8/7/2022 8:01 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:
I run into this a lot too and would appreciate any ideas about how to bypass it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: August 7, 2022 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserted advertising

On many websites, on lots of lines NVDA says

inserted advertising inserted inserted

This information doesn't seem to be on screen so it's probably a function of NVDA. I'm sure it's something I can turn off if I knew how or where. Can someone give me a hand with this one?


Thank you

Howard or <HT>
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