On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 12:40 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Have you tried to change the manifest.ini?

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No, and not because I doubt that I could edit it.  But that's not a solution.

Add-ons are either being maintained, by someone (not necessarily their original developers), or they're not.

While I greatly appreciate the manifest editing workarounds you've provided, those are still not a permanent solution to what I hope is a temporary problem.  If an add-on has been abandoned it should be able to be picked up by anyone who wishes to maintain it based on the licensing requirements that NVDA (wisely) insists upon.

If the manifest needs to be edited, or something else needs to be done, the official maintainers need to be doing it.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

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Also, better outlook support.

Just load Narrator, turn on it’s experimental Outlook Efficiency mode, and see how it should be done. It reads an Email when you open it, without re-reading the subject, to and from fields, etc, and it doesn’t fail to automatically read the whole Email, whether it is text or HTML.

All the best

Steve

I haven’t followed fixes in NVDA for unsupported programs.  But I think these questions need to be considered when deciding what to support:

How many people are using these old programs and why?  NVDA is used all over the world and blind people of all economic circumstances use it.  There may be good reasons some people are using old versions of programs and Windows.  Is fixing problems in how NVDA works with a specific program worth the time in terms of how many people benefit versus the things that are undone as a result?  At some point, even if the needs of people are taken into account, it may become so difficult and time consuming to fix problems or keep NVDA compatible that the effort would be given up even if [enough people would benefit to have justified such fixes in the past.  I suspect that at times, you can’t maintain compatibility with old programs or versions of Windows while making NVDA work well with new versions because of changes in the new programs.  But I don’t think you benefit people in the best way by applying an arbitrary rule.

 

Gene

From: enes sarıbaş

Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback

 

better support for Microsoft office, especially the editor and spellcheck, fixes for performance losses.

Better support for Firefox, fixes for large table Firefox lags and other Firefox lags.

abandonment of legacy applications. I feel NVAccess should develop a support policy for applications that have no official support, and stick to it. There is no reason why anyone should be using Windows 7, office 2003/2007/2010 etc, and time shouldn't be spent on fixing bugs in obsolete technologies.

On 12/14/2021 5:34 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Hello!

 

1 - Better support for Libre Office or Open Office;

2 - Possibility of easily label controls not labelled by develloper;

3 - Better control of what is announced by pressing a key. Take as example Narrator.

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 04:00 de 14/12/2021, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

I've collated the feedback I've gotten so far from Derek, Bhavya and Joseph.  I've included an overview below and a spreadsheet attached with the full responses:

 

Bhavya:
3 Areas:
- Microsoft Office support (content creation but did not elaborate) and responsiveness
- Freezes and crashes (frustratingly again without examples)
- Portable copies - no issues with it, it's one thing he has observed people LOVE about NVDA and suggests if there are suggestions or ways we could improve this, it would be worthwhile.


Derek:
- Web and Browse mode improvements, especially for modern features such as infinite lists, and why does a tree view hide everything from Browse mode?  Also not tolerant enough of where people have incorrectly marked things up which inadvertently make it impossible for all but very advanced users to navigate.
- Integration with other AT such as speech (input?) and switch access, building on things such as dictation bridge.  (Incorporated praise for features such as sticky keys out of the box which we are the only screen reader to do apparently).
- "Computer Vision" to do things like auto label buttons, auto OCR, present hidden content etc
- since live region abuse is so common, add the ability to block a live region.
- Better support for Google docs, eg quick nav mode.
- Start doing more with the speech refactor we put so much effort into.  For instance to replace some speech with earcons.
- Windows store version - both to prove we are modern and worthy of Windows continued support, and to reassure companies worried about security.

Joseph Lee:
- What we did well in 2021 was communication and keeping up with technology, and with improvements to documentation of issues etc, and our improvements to Office.
- Listening to stakeholders and especially the movement towards the add-on store is another great achievement.

Two key areas for 2022:
- Communication: More documentation through source code
- Research relevance (mostly in terms of people who are researching us or the history of screen readers?)

Anatoliy (Thinking and will get back to me)

 

 

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better support for Microsoft office, especially the editor and spellcheck, fixes for performance losses.

Better support for Firefox, fixes for large table Firefox lags and other Firefox lags.

abandonment of legacy applications. I feel NVAccess should develop a support policy for applications that have no official support, and stick to it. There is no reason why anyone should be using Windows 7, office 2003/2007/2010 etc, and time shouldn't be spent on fixing bugs in obsolete technologies.

Hello!

 

1 - Better support for Libre Office or Open Office;

2 - Possibility of easily label controls not labelled by develloper;

3 - Better control of what is announced by pressing a key. Take as example Narrator.

 

Rui Fontes

Hello!

Wen we press the arrow up key in a text field, nvda will read the new line's content.

So I assume there is an script that is started by this key press.

Now, how do I manage to write a arrow up key script and make nvda to say a text and continue to do exactly what it did before I wrote my script?

I want to use it for some tests.


So my general questions are:

1. how can I know what script is performed when a key press or an event occur if no custon scripts are installed?

2. Is it possible to write a custom scritp and call the original one inside it?

Hello!
Wen we press the arrow up key in a text field, nvda will read the new line's content.
So I assume there is an script that is started by this key press.
Now, how do I manage to write a arrow up key script and make nvda to say a text and continue to do exactly what it did before I wrote my script?
I want to use it for some tests.
So my general questions are:
1. how can I know what script is performed when a key press or an event occur if no custon scripts are installed?
2. Is it possible to write a custom scritp and call the original one inside it?

Hello

 

Many thanks for your very helpful message. I heard of the Object enhancer, but had no idea where to get it. I have just installed it and will play around with it.

 

I have Golden Cursor and have been using it with some success, though it is not as convenient as just labelling items would have been.

 

Thanks, I appreciate your suggestions.

 

Kind regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2021/12/15 12:51am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi Christo

 

I totally agree with you on that. My talk back on my phone can label un labled buttons etc and there are programs out there that need it to use it..The only addons I am aware of is one called object enhancer which can be downloaded from my drop box at https://www.dropbox.com/s/dqnooxmas5utw70/objEnhancer_2019.2beta1_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0

It works with nvda at present I would have to check with the latest update.

 

Some part of it need updating but am sure the guy who done it does not want to take it any further.

 

The other one is the golden cursor where it lets you label hot spots I have used it on a  scanner with un labled buttons but to get to them you use the elements list no biggy.

 

Gene nz

 

On 15/12/2021 3:53 am, Christo de Klerk wrote:

This has been mentioned already, but I mention it again, as I think this feature is really needed and long overdue: the ability to label unlabelled or poorly labelled controls and graphics. This is one area where NVDA lags way behind other screen readers. Even the late Window-Eyes had this feature.

 

Kind regards

 

Christo

Hi Christo

 

I totally agree with you on that. My talk back on my phone can label un labled buttons etc and there are programs out there that need it to use it..The only addons I am aware of is one called object enhancer which can be downloaded from my drop box at https://www.dropbox.com/s/dqnooxmas5utw70/objEnhancer_2019.2beta1_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0

It works with nvda at present I would have to check with the latest update.

 

Some part of it need updating but am sure the guy who done it does not want to take it any further.

 

The other one is the golden cursor where it lets you label hot spots I have used it on a  scanner with un labled buttons but to get to them you use the elements list no biggy.

 

Gene nz

 

On 15/12/2021 3:53 am, Christo de Klerk wrote:

This has been mentioned already, but I mention it again, as I think this feature is really needed and long overdue: the ability to label unlabelled or poorly labelled controls and graphics. This is one area where NVDA lags way behind other screen readers. Even the late Window-Eyes had this feature.

 

Kind regards

 

Christo

Hi Christo

 

I totally agree with you on that. My talk back on my phone can label un labled buttons etc and there are programs out there that need it to use it..The only addons I am aware of is one called object enhancer which can be downloaded from my drop box at https://www.dropbox.com/s/dqnooxmas5utw70/objEnhancer_2019.2beta1_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0

It works with nvda at present I would have to check with the latest update.

 

Some part of it need updating but am sure the guy who done it does not want to take it any further.

 

The other one is the golden cursor where it lets you label hot spots I have used it on a  scanner with un labled buttons but to get to them you use the elements list no biggy.

 

Gene nz

 

On 15/12/2021 3:53 am, Christo de Klerk wrote:

This has been mentioned already, but I mention it again, as I think this feature is really needed and long overdue: the ability to label unlabelled or poorly labelled controls and graphics. This is one area where NVDA lags way behind other screen readers. Even the late Window-Eyes had this feature.

 

Kind regards

 

Christo

Hello!

 

1 - Better support for Libre Office or Open Office;

2 - Possibility of easily label controls not labelled by develloper;

3 - Better control of what is announced by pressing a key. Take as example Narrator.

 

Rui Fontes

They are updating the add on for flat bed scanners, it uses Microsoft OCR and I think it does not retain formatting. It is only for text output.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cisco
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Hello there,


This add-on does seem quite useful, though I have a question, three
actually:


1. Does it use Tesseract as the OCR engine or does it use Microsoft's
OCR engine integrated into Windows?


2. Would there be anyway to keep the formatting of the source file?


3. Would there be a way to integrate acquiring a source to be recognized
with any scanner?


Thanks for any answer.


best regards.

Francisco.

On 12/14/2021 9:26 AM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:

Il 13/12/2021 17:41, Milton Charlton ha scritto:

Does NAO make a document file from this OCR process? If so, what is
the file type and where would the file be located?

Hello,
thank you for your feedback, really useful.
At this moment Nao is not able to save recognized data. There is no
created document, so if you want to save something, you should use
your clipboard.
I think in 2 or 3 week we will release a new version with a text
dialog window with the capability to save contents.
Best regards.

Hello, Have you checked

On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 4:12 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

The ability to let NVDA detect braille displays using USB human interface
device (HID) mode is being investigated by NV Access.

Cheers,

Joseph