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Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,

I can tell you this.  When I use the NVDA keystroke to read the whole screen for desktops insert + B, (useful in dialogues and other things that sometimes don't automatically read) if you listen to all the verbiage, finally at the very end, the status bar is read.  This means that it is still being displayed in some form.


On 8/6/2022 10:52 PM, Gene wrote:
The status bar was not present in the previous version on my machine and it still isn't.

I'm going to check to see if there is even supposed to be a status bar any longer.  We don't know if it has been removed.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



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Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

 

I have made posts about Thunderbird Version 102 in one of the JAWS groups and here as well.  From the JAWS Group:
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What I can't figure out is why anyone who is not a typical beta user is upgrading to Thunderbird 102.  From the noted page: Thunderbird version 102.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 91 or earlier. A future release will provide updates from earlier versions.

There could be quite a few changes before it hits the release channel.  Those choosing to use beta software need to understand what that entails.  I still have 91.11.0 and a check for updates from the help menu clearly indicates that's the latest version on the release channel.
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And in this group, in message  I noted that the developer of Mozilla Apps Enhancements reported that there were known issues between that add-on and Thunderbird 102.  I have not kept up on this, since 102 is not on the release channel yet, and I expect that beta software will sometimes have issues and that they often get fixed provided beta testers report them in the months leading up to a release candidate.

And while the above may have absolutely nothing to do with the exact issue raised here, it is essential to remember when using any piece of software that is not a part of the official release channel at the time it's being used.
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Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Gene
 

This may be something NVDA will have to update.  The status bar is still read when using JAWS.  Whether Thunderbird or NVDA should correct the situation is something I'll leave to the two sets of developers.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Gene
 

I just did a Google search and didn't find anything in the first five results about it being removed.  I looked in the view menu and it is still there and checked.  I tried unchecking it, then checking it again with no results.

It may be there but not accessible to NVDA and perhaps other screen-readers.

I used NVDA key b to read the entire window and the status bar wasn't read.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



Re: Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Gene
 

The status bar was not present in the previous version on my machine and it still isn't.

I'm going to check to see if there is even supposed to be a status bar any longer.  We don't know if it has been removed.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.

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Re: Excel not speaking cell coordinates or content on startup or refocus

Luke Davis
 

Dark Count wrote:

I am running into a rather odd situation when I startup Excel
Or when I take focus away from it and minimize, then come back to it.
NVDA will say A1 selected, and then will not speak as I arrow around.
I had something similar to this happening with Office 2019, about 18 months ago. I reported it in a Github issue, but it never got any love. In my case, the logs showed that the virtual buffer was crashing, and the alt trick caused it to be reinitialized. But switching apps would also fix it, which doesn't seem to be happening with you.

Have you tried NVDA with add-ons disabled?

Also, have you tried the COM Registration Fixing Tool in the NVDA tools menu?

Luke


locked Re: Wordpad Shortcut to Desktop

 

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 07:02 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Brian, when I press enter on create shortcut under context menu I get no dialog.
Is it possible that the instructions do not work with Windows 11, but
work with older versions?
-
I will have to check under Windows 11 and report back.  I would be surprised if something this "fundamental and unchanged" for a very long time had changed, but nothing is impossible.  Someone else may beat me to it.
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locked Re: Wordpad Shortcut to Desktop

 

Brian, when I press enter on create shortcut under context menu I get no dialog.
Is it possible that the instructions do not work with Windows 11, but
work with older versions?

On 8/6/22, Nevzat Adil via groups.io <nevzatadil@...> wrote:
Thank you both. I got it.
Very helpful.

On 8/6/22, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
1. Launch shell:appsfolder via the run dialogue
2. Find WordPad
3. Right click
4. Click create shortcut, then answer yes.

The shortcut will be on the desktop

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Subject: [nvda] Wordpad Shortcut to Desktop

Hi Group,

I have been trying to create desktop shortcut for Wordpad with no
success.
My operating system is Windows 11 with NVDA.
Any suggestions?


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Excel not speaking cell coordinates or content on startup or refocus

Dark Count
 

Hello.

I am running into a rather odd situation when I startup Excel

Or when I take focus away from it and minimize, then come back to it.


NVDA will say A1 selected, and then will not speak as I arrow around.

If I press alt to go into the ribbon menus, and then alt to exit them, then it will start speaking the cell's coordinates and content.


If I minimize and come back, again, NVDA will speak the cell at cursor with the selected term, and not speak on arrowing.

Same solution as above works.


I don't hear error sounds, and a quick look the log does not seem to indicate anything wrong in Excel either.

I have unchecked use UI automation for controls when available in Excel as a test.


I am using office 365 with the latest updates, and NVDA 2022.2, as well as 2022.3 beta.

The results are the same.


Thanks,


D C


Re: NVDA 2022.2 and Microsoft Word

Gene
 

If you use the factory reset option, that doesn't lose your saved configuration.  If you reset to factory settings, then use control NVDA key r once will return you to the previous settings, the ones you were using before the factory settings came up.  But if you shut down the computer or shut down NVDA while you are using factory settings, you will lose all your settings.  When using factory settings and at other times, any time NVDA closes for any reason unless you change default behavior will save the current configuration you are using.  So if you are using factory settings, anything that closes NVDA will save the factory settings as the current configuration and you will lose all your previously made settings.

That is one reason I said that this behavior, automatic saving of settings on close should not be the default and that it should require the user to cause this to happen. 

I had not thought about that, used the factory settings option, shut down the computer, and lost every setting I had previously made.

Gene
On 8/6/2022 5:31 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It’s ctrl nvda R on the laptop side of things.  And pressing that 3 times will factory reset nvda which can help, don’t do it unless you have to however.  Try tye UI trick in advanced to see if that works, I f not you might tha ve to fully uninstall and reinstall NVDA.

 

Good luck.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2022 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2022.2 and Microsoft Word

 

I should add that control NVDA r is the desktop keyboard setting.  I haven't checked the laptop keyboard setting.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 5:19 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

The only setting dealing with Word that I can see in advanced settings is this one:
Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word document controls Default (Where suitable

There is no off setting in the combo box.  There is a setting that says something like when necessary.  That sounds like the setting that will use UI automation the least.

You don't have to worry about changing the setting.  It will either help matters or it won't.  You don't even have to go back into advanced settings to change it back.  If you haven't shut down and restarted NVDA, just use the command control NVDA key r to return to the previous setting.  It restores the saved configuration.

If you think the problem begain with a specific version of NVDA, the fastest and easiest way to find out if you can stop the problem by using an earlier version is to run an earlier version by selecting the run option when you run the installer.  It will run as though it were a portable version and you can test it with Word.

Someone else can tell you how to get the older version you want to test with.  They are all available.

then, if Word performs as you wish with that earlier version, create a portable version and use it whenever you want and the installed current version whenever you want.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 3:19 PM, Richard Wells wrote:

Hi Brian and all: Since my problems also occurred in NVDA 2022.1, I believe them to be related to this change. This release includes major improvements to UIA support with MS Office. For Microsoft Office 16.0.15000 and higher on Windows 11, NVDA will use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word documents by default. This provides a significant performance improvement over the old Object model access. I am seeing problems with editing in Microsoft Word in both Windows 10 and Windows 11. I wonder if there might be a way to fix this in preferences/advanced. I would not want to change anything in there unless someone tells me what to change, because I do not know what I am doing in there.

On 8/6/2022 2:45 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

If you have not done these already, please first try:  The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

After that, if none fixed the issue my next step is doing an uninstall and reinstall of NVDA itself, always fetching a fresh copy of the NVDA installer to do so.

If that doesn't do it, then I uninstall NVDA again, purge the folder %APPDATA%/nvda  AFTER having copied off any speech dictionaries (the SpeechDicts folder) and Profiles I may have created.  I let add-ons get nuked, but you could also back up that folder as well before deleting its parent NVDA folder in %APPDATA%.  After reinstalling, see if everything is OK.  If it is, then restore those folders - ONE AT A TIME - to the %APPDATA%/nvda folder, checking whether everything's still OK after you've restored each one.  I haven't often needed to go this far, but on rare occasion, I have.

All of the above is presuming that the root cause is NVDA.  It never hurts to do an Office Repair Install after the basic NVDA troubleshooting steps, as on rare occasions it's something in Office itself.  That can save you from the uninstall/reinstall of NVDA (but not often).

 

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Re: NVDA 2022.2 and Microsoft Word

Sarah k Alawami
 

It’s ctrl nvda R on the laptop side of things.  And pressing that 3 times will factory reset nvda which can help, don’t do it unless you have to however.  Try tye UI trick in advanced to see if that works, I f not you might tha ve to fully uninstall and reinstall NVDA.

 

Good luck.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2022 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2022.2 and Microsoft Word

 

I should add that control NVDA r is the desktop keyboard setting.  I haven't checked the laptop keyboard setting.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 5:19 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

The only setting dealing with Word that I can see in advanced settings is this one:
Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word document controls Default (Where suitable

There is no off setting in the combo box.  There is a setting that says something like when necessary.  That sounds like the setting that will use UI automation the least.

You don't have to worry about changing the setting.  It will either help matters or it won't.  You don't even have to go back into advanced settings to change it back.  If you haven't shut down and restarted NVDA, just use the command control NVDA key r to return to the previous setting.  It restores the saved configuration.

If you think the problem begain with a specific version of NVDA, the fastest and easiest way to find out if you can stop the problem by using an earlier version is to run an earlier version by selecting the run option when you run the installer.  It will run as though it were a portable version and you can test it with Word.

Someone else can tell you how to get the older version you want to test with.  They are all available.

then, if Word performs as you wish with that earlier version, create a portable version and use it whenever you want and the installed current version whenever you want.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 3:19 PM, Richard Wells wrote:

Hi Brian and all: Since my problems also occurred in NVDA 2022.1, I believe them to be related to this change. This release includes major improvements to UIA support with MS Office. For Microsoft Office 16.0.15000 and higher on Windows 11, NVDA will use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word documents by default. This provides a significant performance improvement over the old Object model access. I am seeing problems with editing in Microsoft Word in both Windows 10 and Windows 11. I wonder if there might be a way to fix this in preferences/advanced. I would not want to change anything in there unless someone tells me what to change, because I do not know what I am doing in there.

On 8/6/2022 2:45 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

If you have not done these already, please first try:  The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

After that, if none fixed the issue my next step is doing an uninstall and reinstall of NVDA itself, always fetching a fresh copy of the NVDA installer to do so.

If that doesn't do it, then I uninstall NVDA again, purge the folder %APPDATA%/nvda  AFTER having copied off any speech dictionaries (the SpeechDicts folder) and Profiles I may have created.  I let add-ons get nuked, but you could also back up that folder as well before deleting its parent NVDA folder in %APPDATA%.  After reinstalling, see if everything is OK.  If it is, then restore those folders - ONE AT A TIME - to the %APPDATA%/nvda folder, checking whether everything's still OK after you've restored each one.  I haven't often needed to go this far, but on rare occasion, I have.

All of the above is presuming that the root cause is NVDA.  It never hurts to do an Office Repair Install after the basic NVDA troubleshooting steps, as on rare occasions it's something in Office itself.  That can save you from the uninstall/reinstall of NVDA (but not often).

 

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Re: NVDA 2022.2 and Microsoft Word

Gene
 

I should add that control NVDA r is the desktop keyboard setting.  I haven't checked the laptop keyboard setting.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 5:19 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

The only setting dealing with Word that I can see in advanced settings is this one:
Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word document controls Default (Where suitable

There is no off setting in the combo box.  There is a setting that says something like when necessary.  That sounds like the setting that will use UI automation the least.

You don't have to worry about changing the setting.  It will either help matters or it won't.  You don't even have to go back into advanced settings to change it back.  If you haven't shut down and restarted NVDA, just use the command control NVDA key r to return to the previous setting.  It restores the saved configuration.

If you think the problem begain with a specific version of NVDA, the fastest and easiest way to find out if you can stop the problem by using an earlier version is to run an earlier version by selecting the run option when you run the installer.  It will run as though it were a portable version and you can test it with Word.

Someone else can tell you how to get the older version you want to test with.  They are all available.

then, if Word performs as you wish with that earlier version, create a portable version and use it whenever you want and the installed current version whenever you want.

Gene
On 8/6/2022 3:19 PM, Richard Wells wrote:

Hi Brian and all: Since my problems also occurred in NVDA 2022.1, I believe them to be related to this change. This release includes major improvements to UIA support with MS Office. For Microsoft Office 16.0.15000 and higher on Windows 11, NVDA will use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word documents by default. This provides a significant performance improvement over the old Object model access. I am seeing problems with editing in Microsoft Word in both Windows 10 and Windows 11. I wonder if there might be a way to fix this in preferences/advanced. I would not want to change anything in there unless someone tells me what to change, because I do not know what I am doing in there.

On 8/6/2022 2:45 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If you have not done these already, please first try:  The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

After that, if none fixed the issue my next step is doing an uninstall and reinstall of NVDA itself, always fetching a fresh copy of the NVDA installer to do so.

If that doesn't do it, then I uninstall NVDA again, purge the folder %APPDATA%/nvda  AFTER having copied off any speech dictionaries (the SpeechDicts folder) and Profiles I may have created.  I let add-ons get nuked, but you could also back up that folder as well before deleting its parent NVDA folder in %APPDATA%.  After reinstalling, see if everything is OK.  If it is, then restore those folders - ONE AT A TIME - to the %APPDATA%/nvda folder, checking whether everything's still OK after you've restored each one.  I haven't often needed to go this far, but on rare occasion, I have.

All of the above is presuming that the root cause is NVDA.  It never hurts to do an Office Repair Install after the basic NVDA troubleshooting steps, as on rare occasions it's something in Office itself.  That can save you from the uninstall/reinstall of NVDA (but not often).

 

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Re: NVDA 2022.2 and Microsoft Word

Gene
 

The only setting dealing with Word that I can see in advanced settings is this one:
Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word document controls Default (Where suitable

There is no off setting in the combo box.  There is a setting that says something like when necessary.  That sounds like the setting that will use UI automation the least.

You don't have to worry about changing the setting.  It will either help matters or it won't.  You don't even have to go back into advanced settings to change it back.  If you haven't shut down and restarted NVDA, just use the command control NVDA key r to return to the previous setting.  It restores the saved configuration.

If you think the problem begain with a specific version of NVDA, the fastest and easiest way to find out if you can stop the problem by using an earlier version is to run an earlier version by selecting the run option when you run the installer.  It will run as though it were a portable version and you can test it with Word.

Someone else can tell you how to get the older version you want to test with.  They are all available.

then, if Word performs as you wish with that earlier version, create a portable version and use it whenever you want and the installed current version whenever you want.

Gene
On 8/6/2022 3:19 PM, Richard Wells wrote:

Hi Brian and all: Since my problems also occurred in NVDA 2022.1, I believe them to be related to this change. This release includes major improvements to UIA support with MS Office. For Microsoft Office 16.0.15000 and higher on Windows 11, NVDA will use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word documents by default. This provides a significant performance improvement over the old Object model access. I am seeing problems with editing in Microsoft Word in both Windows 10 and Windows 11. I wonder if there might be a way to fix this in preferences/advanced. I would not want to change anything in there unless someone tells me what to change, because I do not know what I am doing in there.

On 8/6/2022 2:45 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If you have not done these already, please first try:  The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

After that, if none fixed the issue my next step is doing an uninstall and reinstall of NVDA itself, always fetching a fresh copy of the NVDA installer to do so.

If that doesn't do it, then I uninstall NVDA again, purge the folder %APPDATA%/nvda  AFTER having copied off any speech dictionaries (the SpeechDicts folder) and Profiles I may have created.  I let add-ons get nuked, but you could also back up that folder as well before deleting its parent NVDA folder in %APPDATA%.  After reinstalling, see if everything is OK.  If it is, then restore those folders - ONE AT A TIME - to the %APPDATA%/nvda folder, checking whether everything's still OK after you've restored each one.  I haven't often needed to go this far, but on rare occasion, I have.

All of the above is presuming that the root cause is NVDA.  It never hurts to do an Office Repair Install after the basic NVDA troubleshooting steps, as on rare occasions it's something in Office itself.  That can save you from the uninstall/reinstall of NVDA (but not often).

 

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locked Re: Wordpad Shortcut to Desktop

 

Thank you both. I got it.
Very helpful.

On 8/6/22, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
1. Launch shell:appsfolder via the run dialogue
2. Find WordPad
3. Right click
4. Click create shortcut, then answer yes.

The shortcut will be on the desktop

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Subject: [nvda] Wordpad Shortcut to Desktop

Hi Group,

I have been trying to create desktop shortcut for Wordpad with no success.
My operating system is Windows 11 with NVDA.
Any suggestions?


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locked Re: Wordpad Shortcut to Desktop

Sarah k Alawami
 

1. Launch shell:appsfolder via the run dialogue
2. Find WordPad
3. Right click
4. Click create shortcut, then answer yes.

The shortcut will be on the desktop

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Subject: [nvda] Wordpad Shortcut to Desktop

Hi Group,

I have been trying to create desktop shortcut for Wordpad with no success.
My operating system is Windows 11 with NVDA.
Any suggestions?


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locked Re: Wordpad Shortcut to Desktop

 

The easiest way around this issue, and that works for "the long term" regardless of what applications you might install, is to create the All Applications Folder on your desktop, and then create an actual desktop shortcut for whatever app or apps you wish out of it.  Just leave it on the desktop afterward for later use.

See my tutorial: Using the Microsoft Special Applications Folder for Creating Desktop Shortcuts (docx format)

The first section covers creating the All Applications folder on your desktop, which you need only do once if you do not delete it, and the second discusses using it to snag specific applications and get their shortcuts on your desktop. 
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locked Wordpad Shortcut to Desktop

 

Hi Group,

I have been trying to create desktop shortcut for Wordpad with no success.
My operating system is Windows 11 with NVDA.
Any suggestions?


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Re: NVDA 2022.2 and Microsoft Word

Richard Wells
 

Hi Brian and all: Since my problems also occurred in NVDA 2022.1, I believe them to be related to this change. This release includes major improvements to UIA support with MS Office. For Microsoft Office 16.0.15000 and higher on Windows 11, NVDA will use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word documents by default. This provides a significant performance improvement over the old Object model access. I am seeing problems with editing in Microsoft Word in both Windows 10 and Windows 11. I wonder if there might be a way to fix this in preferences/advanced. I would not want to change anything in there unless someone tells me what to change, because I do not know what I am doing in there.

On 8/6/2022 2:45 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

If you have not done these already, please first try:  The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

After that, if none fixed the issue my next step is doing an uninstall and reinstall of NVDA itself, always fetching a fresh copy of the NVDA installer to do so.

If that doesn't do it, then I uninstall NVDA again, purge the folder %APPDATA%/nvda  AFTER having copied off any speech dictionaries (the SpeechDicts folder) and Profiles I may have created.  I let add-ons get nuked, but you could also back up that folder as well before deleting its parent NVDA folder in %APPDATA%.  After reinstalling, see if everything is OK.  If it is, then restore those folders - ONE AT A TIME - to the %APPDATA%/nvda folder, checking whether everything's still OK after you've restored each one.  I haven't often needed to go this far, but on rare occasion, I have.

All of the above is presuming that the root cause is NVDA.  It never hurts to do an Office Repair Install after the basic NVDA troubleshooting steps, as on rare occasions it's something in Office itself.  That can save you from the uninstall/reinstall of NVDA (but not often).

 

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Re: NVDA 2022.2 and Microsoft Word

 

If you have not done these already, please first try:  The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

After that, if none fixed the issue my next step is doing an uninstall and reinstall of NVDA itself, always fetching a fresh copy of the NVDA installer to do so.

If that doesn't do it, then I uninstall NVDA again, purge the folder %APPDATA%/nvda  AFTER having copied off any speech dictionaries (the SpeechDicts folder) and Profiles I may have created.  I let add-ons get nuked, but you could also back up that folder as well before deleting its parent NVDA folder in %APPDATA%.  After reinstalling, see if everything is OK.  If it is, then restore those folders - ONE AT A TIME - to the %APPDATA%/nvda folder, checking whether everything's still OK after you've restored each one.  I haven't often needed to go this far, but on rare occasion, I have.

All of the above is presuming that the root cause is NVDA.  It never hurts to do an Office Repair Install after the basic NVDA troubleshooting steps, as on rare occasions it's something in Office itself.  That can save you from the uninstall/reinstall of NVDA (but not often).

 

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

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