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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Well, yeah, nvda's strong point is web apps, its why I use thunderbird.

And to some extent universal apps.

Its probably why I will probably try to get into the new skype and yeah nvda will probably run better with that.

Some of the more traditional apps games like smuglers and other older apps need traditional screen readers like jaws to run right.

The fact is the world is going mobile and web and thats the way things will go.

Its not all bad, its a pain sure but probably for a lot of us blind people me included that are traditionalists.

If like me you were born into dos, win3 then win 9x then xp then vista and 7 and up to now, using a keyboard, and not touchscreens still with a symbian phone, etc then this is probably why we have issues transitioning from older things.

I know blind friends born after the new systems, they don't have issues or dislikes of things as us I guess old farts have, I guess I could class myself as one of those now.

While I am not apposed to change as such I struggle to do so especially when I have been doing x y z for years and see no point bar that everything else is moving when I am basically staying still.

On 7/19/2018 9:19 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

Depends on your definition of experience. For me, NVDA is still not configurable enough for third party apps. You can use object nav and all that but you can't even reclass windows.

I won't go on any more about that, I've done it to death, but if all you want to do is home stuff, then NVDA is fine.

All the best

Steve

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Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
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Re: possible eloquence solution

 

Well yeah, I want keynote gold sapi and keynote gold in nvda, but humanware aint gona release it to us old timers so espeak will have to do.

But yeah, can you imagine something like keynote but actually sounding like one of those human sounding voices, dectalk almost managed it.

Vocaliser, sort of does, windows one core does but has speed issues, espeak probably tries.

As for you not liking it, yeah, I guess I just don't notice it, espeak was on linux and as long as I understand what I am typing I really don't give a damnation at all.

True, reading a book sucks as does playing games with it but then I wouldn't do that with dectalk, eloquence or any of the sapi4 synths because they just are not designed for that stuff for me.

As a system admin, I don't need quality, most of my job needs responsiveness, and things can and do crash, I can't have introduced delays with my system, and then the synth and then the resources used then have to find where things screwed themselves over.

Most of the time when servicing I service and it runs.

But if its something complex, from removing viruses, to user generated issues because of either dodgy or over zellous security software I don't need nice, I don't need fast, I just need sound, and what ever crappy junky something I can throw together to get it working.

But its all depending on prospective.

My work revolves round the net, email, the web, a few documents but hardly any of that I don't need to read books or reports either.

If I am not gaming then I am stuck in a console or inside an app, and unless I need to reformat and or install, I have whatever it is running a task and most of the time it works.

The only time I come close to even bothering with anything approaching real work bar website and software testing, is if a user loads something on which is malware because they want to emulate a function, and if thats not in my database I then have to search the net for it but yeah I have a bit of a simple job mostly, boring but simple.

On 7/19/2018 9:14 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
God I wish it were as good as Keynote, that was excellent, but Espeak isn't. Voice lisping, bad formant pronunciation and all kinds of things with Espeak. Can you tell I don't like it?

All the best

Steve

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Sent: 18 July 2018 09:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

Espeak is good enough, it reminds me of the keynote and its quite good.

Bar my phone eloquence never interested me, nuance actually tried to write a 16 bit eloquence, but I doubt bar improving the quality of the voices, so you hear a 8 bit synth digitally orgmented to a 16 bit one, which just sounds crappy because it is obvious that the convert doesn't sound right at all.

Dectalk is another, but to be honest, orpheus1 was my prefered synth, after that, espeak the first one.

Vocaliser and realspeak were my synths of choice and if I hadn't pulled that off a server a friend had ages ago I would never have any advanced tts, they are just to expensive for sapi.

At least the third party stuff is.

But the robotic crap while not good for reading its low resource and quite usefull for just about everything else.

The higher non crappy stuff is fine for reading but put it on a slower system, and its almost not even worth running it long term.




On 7/18/2018 7:09 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
I despise modern voices for doing anything but light reading. Espeak
is decent, but in my view the best two synths for fast reading remain
Eloquence and doubletalk. If I want to get correct spellings I'll use
a more modern voice. ...but then you get random pauses for no reason,
mis pronouncing random words like bourbon and expanding acronyms that
I don't want.


I can't win.



On 18-Jul-2018 1:52 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to
have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think
myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it
obviously is a personal thing.
I to do agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even
moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am
happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words
that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech
player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody
take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to
realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is
the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this? You’re effectively stopping Code Factory
from making money. Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides,
Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



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Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up.
So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the
same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer
it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease
of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for
windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps
working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory
licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice
portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if
Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc,
you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if
you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and
download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s
and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: Lost the pound sign

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

You are not wrong but you are wrong at the same time!
See my previous post. The position of the symbols moves, so the shift 3 is actually a different symbol. I do not care what some odd people call it nvda has always got pound right.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Lost the pound sign


On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:


This is a £ ie pound sign and this is a # ie hash or number sign.
Er, while you're not wrong that the pounds sterling sign is referred to as the pound sign, the symbol used at the start of a hashtag, often referred to as a number sign, is also referred to, and not infrequently, as the pound sign [programmers tend to do this a lot, as do people in telecommunications].

I do not believe the issue is with the pounds sterling symbol, but because the original poster was used to hearing # announced as "pound sign" and it's now being announced as "number."

I also just tried changing my keyboard from English, US, to English UK (UK Keyboard) and it is making no difference whatsoever in how # is being pronounced (number) or £ is being pronounced (pounds sterling) while it does change what gets typed when SHIFT+Number Row 2 is pressed.


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Re: Lost the pound sign

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Not really, as I said earlier. its not the same.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lost the pound sign


Pound is number sign. So you did not lose it.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 7:18 AM, Sakina <sakina.gable@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Gene and friends,
Thank you for your help regarding adding new email address in my people app.
I am sorry for I am not too clever and am still trying to figure it out. Sadly, I do not have many addresses and therefore would be happy doing it manually.
For now I am cutting and pasting the address in the to field.
Now today please I have lost my pound sign in my word document. I always used to press shift key and press number 3 for the pound sign.
Now when I press shift key and number 3 it keeps saying number.
I do not know what I must have pressed accidently on the key board as I am one hundred % user of keyboard and do not know what to do.
I will greatly appreciate any help.
Always thanking you all
Sakina

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Re: Lost the pound sign

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Yes I know that, but that is not the issue here at all, In the UK hash was always number, but I've long since fixed that on. the point is that the machine has switched its keyboard to us English. Can somebody explain to me how to use windows space to fix it the? Has this always been there. I've never encountered it in many years, sounds very dangerous if true. I do know some screenreaders can change language using certain easy to hit keys, as \I'm always rescuing Dolphin users from all sorts of bizarre languages and synths!
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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lost the pound sign


?The problem is that NVDA have changed how the symbol is named...

/The # sign is now read as Number... /To change that, iy is necessary go to NVDA menu, Preferences, Punctuation/symbol pronunciation... and change it there...

Rui Fontes


Às 17:42 de 18/07/2018, Chris via Groups.Io escreveu:
Hitting windows+spacebar will change keyboard language

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I'd not know how this could be changed accidentally. Would she be likely to

have system restore on and be able to go back to a couple of days ago, or is

it off in 10 by default. Even then, I'm not sure it has any effect on the

installed keyboard language. i have had issues in the past with word

deciding to use American english templates for documents for no good reason

which really fouls up the spell checker big time!

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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Lost the pound sign

> It sounds like your computer has switched from thinking it has a UK

> keyboard

> layout (which has a pound sign on shift-3) to a US layout (which has a

> hash

> symbol on shift-3, and is often read as "number").

>

> To confirm this, what do you get by pressing shift-2?

>

> A UK layout will give you double quote marks; a US layout will give
you an

> "at" sign.

>

>

> Antony.

>

> On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 16:18:29, Sakina wrote:

>

>> Dear Gene and friends,

>> Thank you for your help regarding adding new email address in my
people

>> app. I am sorry for I am not too clever and am still trying to figure
it

>> out. Sadly, I do not have many addresses and therefore would be happy

>> doing it manually. For now I am cutting and pasting the address in
the to

>> field.

>> Now today please I have lost my pound sign in my word document. I
always

>> used to press shift key and press number 3 for the pound sign. Now
when I

>> press shift key and number 3 it keeps saying number.

>> I do not know what I must have pressed accidently on the key board
as I

>> am one hundred % user of keyboard and do not know what to do. I will

>> greatly appreciate any help.

>> Always thanking you all

>> Sakina

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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

ChrisLeo
 

Hi.
I think that this version 8.x is the worst of all previous versions, I hope in a substantial improvements by Microsoft.

There are a few things that I do not understand:

why use a layout like a smartphone interface on a app for desktop pc?

What is the fastest way to chat with more than one person at the same time?

Also, about share audio, it seems that now you can not share only audio.
We can share only video, video and audio, but not only audio.

I agree with Cristóbal, this sounds as a pointless step backwards.

Cheers,

Chris.

Cristóbal, 19/07/2018 02:10:

SO anyway, to answer my own question since it seems no one had the answer.
The actual command to answer an incoming call with Skype 8.x desktop is control plus shift plus P. This was listed in the link I provided as the command to start a call.
Still though, it seems you have to be in the Skype window to execute any of these commands. Be it answer, hang up, mute, etc. This is a rather needless annoyance since before, the hotkeys were universal no matter where you may have been in the machine.
It may seem like a minor thing, but I often work in different virtual desktops with lots of programs and windows open at the same time and having to scramble to get to the right window/desktop and then perform the action when before a simple alt plus pg up or pg down worked fine comes off as a pointless step backwards.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 4:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

ctrl d also opens the dial pad.

On 7/18/18, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Hi


Have a look down the bottom you can quickly jump down by B for buttons
until you get to use dial pad then arrow down. There will be 4 tabs
there one is chats then press the enter key on it then arrow down. it
will have chats there old and new from people.


I would have to have a look under contacts and see if you can get the
chat stuff from that person as well.


hope this helps.


Gene nz


On 7/19/2018 8:18 AM, Mark wrote:
Hi can anyone tell me how to
Read old messages from the same person Using skype 8 for desktop Mark.

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From: Sarah k Alawami<mailto:marrie12@gmail.com>
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:06
To: Nvda List<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Feel free to subscribe to the skype english list where the owner of
some scripts and add ons lives, or rather is subscribed. Lol!

Go to
skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com<http://skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com/> and subscribe there.

As for your not being able to answer a call tab to the answer button
and whack it. I’ve ben doing this for years now rather than rely on keystrokes.
I personally at least as far as skype hate them. I feel I can know the
interface a lot better by tabbing rather than key strokes which might
not work, or they might depending on the day I’m having.


On Jul 18, 2018, at 7:21 AM, Cristóbal
<cristobalmuli@gmail.com<mailto:cristobalmuli@gmail.com>> wrote:

As I mentioned, I am using Skype for desktop.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Gene
New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Hi

Which version are you using?

My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it
also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial
for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to
accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.


Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much
like skype 8

Gene nz


On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You
figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it
that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already
existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).
I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t
updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it
is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.
I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.


I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i
use voip alot now.

Gene nz





On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,
So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it
before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i
-use-them-in-skype What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an
incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a basic
function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up,
mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing
something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?
Thanks,
Cristobal











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Re: possible eloquence solution

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

You can understand that. Someone could make a portable copy on any Drive D, get a copy of Eloquence and have it speak for free, if it were allowed to speak on unlicenced machines.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Wells
Sent: 18 July 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

The other major issue for me with using Authorized Eloquence is accessing NVDA Portable. If Eloquence is the default synthesizer in the portable NVDA, it won't speak on an unlicensed machine. This also goes for Nuance high-quality voices.


On 7/18/2018 3:23 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
My issue and my only issue with product activation licences in general
is the fact that depending how they are constructed ie eloquence, that
you have to deactivate it on each major update, thats fine in reality
however because there is a 6 month basically new os update it gets a
bit well annoying there should be a way to assign a licence to your
machine or in the case of win10 an account or something.

And it doesn't have to be like that.

For example windows manages to stay activated on each system update.

Mostly.

Then again maybe its not happened to me.

I have had on my cloud system I admin to reactivate the icloud and
some other accounts whenever I update my bios for example but still
everything stays up.

I also have issues where machines and licences have a 3 unit limit, in
a bit of software I use for dvd extraction, you assign your machine to
an id from an account online, if that changes you have to reassign
that machine to the single id but at least you can do it yourself as
many times as you need.




On 7/18/2018 6:52 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to
have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think
myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it
obviously is a personal thing.
I to do agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even
moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am
happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words
that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech
player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody
take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to
realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is
the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this? You’re effectively stopping Code Factory
from making money. Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides,
Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up.
So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the
same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer
it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease
of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for
windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps
working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory
licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice
portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if
Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc,
you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if
you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and
download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s
and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


there is a list of 32 or 33 short cut keys for skype 8. Except when you
do some of them like to make a call even though i am say focused on echo
calling and do the shortcut to do a audio call it will not do it. Just
as easy to go to the menu by tabbing to itafter pushing the enter key if
i remember right.



The alt 1 to 3 keys seem to work though and some others.


I am wondering if i should just get rid of the shortcuts in the tutorial
that do not work with nvda.


At present i have set skype to automatically answer my calls.



It is much easier to do it like a web page when jumping around it.


Gene nz

On 7/19/2018 8:33 PM, P. Otter wrote:
hi, i know for sure it is to make an audio call.
ctrl plus shift plus p you can start a call. with ctrl plus shift plus
k you start a video call.
i think it is not for answering a call.
what exactly the shortcut is to answer is blowing in the wind!
some tells it is alt plus pgup but i'm not sure.
there is no complete list of shortcuts availlable.
in some lists they talk about that i can enable shortcuts in extra,
but that was in the old situation.
in skype 8 i don't find any extra.
i hope there will be a solution for it before skype classic is ended!
cheers
paul otter


Op 19-7-2018 om 02:10 schreef Cristóbal:
SO anyway, to answer my own question since it seems no one had the
answer.
The actual command to answer an incoming call with Skype 8.x desktop
is control plus shift plus P. This was listed in the link I provided
as the command to start a call.
Still though, it seems you have to be in the Skype window to execute
any of these commands. Be it answer, hang up, mute, etc. This is a
rather needless annoyance since before, the hotkeys were universal no
matter where you may have been in the machine.
It may seem like a minor thing, but I often work in different virtual
desktops with lots of programs and windows open at the same time and
having to scramble to get to the right window/desktop and then
perform the action when before a simple alt plus pg up or pg down
worked fine comes off as a pointless step backwards.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 4:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

ctrl d also opens the dial pad.

On 7/18/18, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Hi


Have a look down the bottom you can quickly jump down by B for buttons
until you get to use dial pad then arrow down. There will be 4 tabs
there one is chats then press the enter key on it then arrow down. it
will have chats there old and new  from people.


I would have to have a look under contacts and see if you can get the
chat stuff from that person as well.


hope this helps.


Gene nz


On 7/19/2018 8:18 AM, Mark wrote:
Hi can anyone tell  me how to
Read old messages from the same person Using skype 8 for desktop Mark.

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From: Sarah k Alawami<mailto:marrie12@gmail.com>
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:06
To: Nvda List<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Feel free to subscribe to the skype english list where the owner of
some scripts and add ons lives, or rather is subscribed. Lol!

Go to
skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com<http://skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com/>
and subscribe there.

As for your not being able to answer a call tab to the answer button
and whack it. I’ve ben doing this for years now rather than rely on
keystrokes.
I personally at least as far as skype hate them. I feel I can know the
interface a lot better by tabbing rather than key strokes which might
not work, or they might depending on the day I’m having.


On Jul 18, 2018, at 7:21 AM, Cristóbal
<cristobalmuli@gmail.com<mailto:cristobalmuli@gmail.com>> wrote:

As I mentioned, I am using Skype for desktop.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Gene
New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Hi

Which version are you using?

My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it
also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial
for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to
accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.


Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much
like skype 8

Gene nz


On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You
figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it
that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already
existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).
I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t
updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it
is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.
I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.


I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i
use voip alot now.

Gene nz





On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,
So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it
before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short
cut keys from:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i
-use-them-in-skype What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an
incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic
function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up,
mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing
something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?
Thanks,
Cristobal










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Re: possible eloquence solution

 

Hmmm how does this effect the requent windows 10 feature updates they are in fact os updates.

If we forget to deactivate the thing before, well to put it nicely, its going to happen.

So there should be a way we can independantly reactivate our stuff as long as the hardware in the system, ie processer, and mutherboard probably does not change, hard drives and other drives and memmory can go bad but its probably a given that the cpu won't.

On that note I do wander how this would say effect it if you had a bios upgrade that changed things, in short we need a way to varify things, say the changes were our own.

If we used all alicences or something there should be a way to reset things or even to reactivate but override things so they worked.

Tieing things to a login as additional could help maybe or a way to login and if things have been changed via online remove our unit from the activated state if we forgot to do so and activate it via the web or something.

The windows servicing model  is basically a new os ish thing every 6 months.

I see it as a little unfair that we need to deactivate then reactivate, I mean we can do it but if us users forget, there should be a way of us not losing a licence if its only our origional system we are activating unless the os is fully reinstalled or the main board dies or something.

On 7/19/2018 9:13 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi Sean,

This is no longer the case. The licence server now recognises updates and it's not necessary to reactivate, unless you are upgrading hardware, or the actual OS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 18 July 2018 09:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

My issue and my only issue with product activation licences in general is the fact that depending how they are constructed ie eloquence, that you have to deactivate it on each major update, thats fine in reality however because there is a 6 month basically new os update it gets a bit well annoying there should be a way to assign a licence to your machine or in the case of win10 an account or something.

And it doesn't have to be like that.

For example windows manages to stay activated on each system update.

Mostly.

Then again maybe its not happened to me.

I have had on my cloud system I admin to reactivate the icloud and some other accounts whenever I update my bios for example but still everything stays up.

I also have issues where machines and licences have a 3 unit limit, in a bit of software I use for dvd extraction, you assign your machine to an id from an account online, if that changes you have to reassign that machine to the single id but at least you can do it yourself as many times as you need.




On 7/18/2018 6:52 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to
have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think
myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it
obviously is a personal thing.
I to do agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even
moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am
happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words
that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech
player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody
take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to
realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is
the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this? You’re effectively stopping Code Factory
from making money. Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides,
Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up. So
I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same.
I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer
it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease of
access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for
windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps
working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory
licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice
portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if
Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc,
you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if
you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and download
it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s and has to
change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: possible eloquence solution

Steve Nutt
 

If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you.  What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?

 

All the best


STeve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.



On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

 

Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods. 

 


Re: possible eloquence solution

Steve Nutt
 

1Core at 100 percent is too slow.

 

All the best
Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:08
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

I actually have my 1 core voices at about maybe 80 percent and the nvda voice at 60. No one else can understand it but me. I do slow it down on my my streams though to be nice but the voices are fast and very understandable for lack of a better term.



On Jul 17, 2018, at 11:52 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

 

Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it obviously is a personal thing.
I to do  agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this?  You’re effectively stopping Code Factory from making money.  Just buy Eloquence and be done with it.  Besides, Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up. So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc, you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

Depends on your definition of experience. For me, NVDA is still not configurable enough for third party apps. You can use object nav and all that but you can't even reclass windows.

I won't go on any more about that, I've done it to death, but if all you want to do is home stuff, then NVDA is fine.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:03
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: possible eloquence solution

Steve Nutt
 

God I wish it were as good as Keynote, that was excellent, but Espeak isn't. Voice lisping, bad formant pronunciation and all kinds of things with Espeak. Can you tell I don't like it?

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 18 July 2018 09:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

Espeak is good enough, it reminds me of the keynote and its quite good.

Bar my phone eloquence never interested me, nuance actually tried to write a 16 bit eloquence, but I doubt bar improving the quality of the voices, so you hear a 8 bit synth digitally orgmented to a 16 bit one, which just sounds crappy because it is obvious that the convert doesn't sound right at all.

Dectalk is another, but to be honest, orpheus1 was my prefered synth, after that, espeak the first one.

Vocaliser and realspeak were my synths of choice and if I hadn't pulled that off a server a friend had ages ago I would never have any advanced tts, they are just to expensive for sapi.

At least the third party stuff is.

But the robotic crap while not good for reading its low resource and quite usefull for just about everything else.

The higher non crappy stuff is fine for reading but put it on a slower system, and its almost not even worth running it long term.




On 7/18/2018 7:09 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
I despise modern voices for doing anything but light reading. Espeak
is decent, but in my view the best two synths for fast reading remain
Eloquence and doubletalk. If I want to get correct spellings I'll use
a more modern voice. ...but then you get random pauses for no reason,
mis pronouncing random words like bourbon and expanding acronyms that
I don't want.


I can't win.



On 18-Jul-2018 1:52 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to
have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think
myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it
obviously is a personal thing.
I to do agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even
moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am
happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words
that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech
player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody
take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to
realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is
the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this? You’re effectively stopping Code Factory
from making money. Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides,
Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up.
So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the
same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer
it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease
of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for
windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps
working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory
licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice
portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if
Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc,
you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if
you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and
download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s
and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: possible eloquence solution

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Sean,

This is no longer the case. The licence server now recognises updates and it's not necessary to reactivate, unless you are upgrading hardware, or the actual OS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 18 July 2018 09:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

My issue and my only issue with product activation licences in general is the fact that depending how they are constructed ie eloquence, that you have to deactivate it on each major update, thats fine in reality however because there is a 6 month basically new os update it gets a bit well annoying there should be a way to assign a licence to your machine or in the case of win10 an account or something.

And it doesn't have to be like that.

For example windows manages to stay activated on each system update.

Mostly.

Then again maybe its not happened to me.

I have had on my cloud system I admin to reactivate the icloud and some other accounts whenever I update my bios for example but still everything stays up.

I also have issues where machines and licences have a 3 unit limit, in a bit of software I use for dvd extraction, you assign your machine to an id from an account online, if that changes you have to reassign that machine to the single id but at least you can do it yourself as many times as you need.




On 7/18/2018 6:52 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to
have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think
myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it
obviously is a personal thing.
I to do agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even
moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am
happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words
that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech
player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody
take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to
realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is
the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this? You’re effectively stopping Code Factory
from making money. Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides,
Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up. So
I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same.
I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer
it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease of
access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for
windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps
working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory
licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice
portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if
Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc,
you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if
you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and download
it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s and has to
change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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NVDA 2018.2.1: cannot install on Windows 10 (1803)

Ali Savas
 

Hi,


I have problems installing NVDA on my Windows 10 (1803) system. Here is the Protocol:


--Begin Log---

INFO - __main__ (10:56:13.446):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.956):
Config dir: C:\Users\asa\AppData\Local\Temp\nsx12D3.tmp\app\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:56:13.956):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
NVDA version 2018.2.1
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:56:14.440):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (10:56:14.440):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:56:14.450):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (10:56:14.450):
Using liblouis version 3.5.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:56:14.450):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (10:56:14.496):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:56:14.496):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (10:56:14.946):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - RPC process 14860 (nvda_slave.exe) (10:56:40.426):
__main__.main:
slave error
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 42, in main
  File "installer.pyo", line 423, in install
  File "installer.pyo", line 236, in registerInstallation
  File "installer.pyo", line 57, in createShortcut
  File "comtypes\client\lazybind.pyo", line 218, in __setattr__
  File "comtypes\automation.pyo", line 729, in _invoke
COMError: (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (10:56:40.446):
Installation failed: 1

---EndLog---


Can anybody help me please?


With best regards from Germany

Ali


Re: possible eloquence solution

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

The only screen reader that I know of that allowed you to turn off expansion of abbreviations was Window-Eyes. So if that's possible, NVDA should be able to do it on a synth by synth basis.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: 18 July 2018 08:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

I despise modern voices for doing anything but light reading. Espeak is decent, but in my view the best two synths for fast reading remain Eloquence and doubletalk. If I want to get correct spellings I'll use a more modern voice. ...but then you get random pauses for no reason, mis pronouncing random words like bourbon and expanding acronyms that I don't want.


I can't win.



On 18-Jul-2018 1:52 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to
have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think
myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it
obviously is a personal thing.
I to do agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even
moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am
happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words
that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech
player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody
take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to
realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is
the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this? You’re effectively stopping Code Factory
from making money. Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides,
Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up. So
I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same.
I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer
it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease of
access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for
windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps
working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory
licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice
portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if
Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc,
you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if
you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and download
it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s and has to
change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Steve Nutt
 

You miss the point though.  You’re the only country that writes dates numerically the opposite way to everyone else.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 17 July 2018 18:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

 

We write it the way we say it.

If someone asks us the date we would say:

June 11

Or November 6.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

 

Actually, there are other problems with American English which makes me stick with Eloquence for British English.  Americans don’t know how to write dates properly, they are the only country that do it upside down.  So 6/11 is Sixth November in English and 11 June in American.

 

I actually quite like the British version of Eloquence and I am British.

 

There is no difference in intelligibility either.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

 

I also suspect that in the case of Eloquence, high speed intelligibility is better, perhaps much better, when using American English instead of Brittish English.  I enjoy listening to real Brittish English.  But the Brittish English accent in Eloquence was obviously created by Americans who have no idea how to properly reproduce a Brittish accent.  It's revolting.  Being Americans, they properly reproduced the American accent. 

 

The American accent is probably clearer at fast speeds no matter what accent a person is used to because the Brittish accent degrades the speech itself, it doesn't just change the accent.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 1:24 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

 

I'm so used to E-speak that Eloquence is incoherent to me. But, the flutter you get in E-speak in the boost mode is hindering me to achieve faster speeds. So, I'm forcing myself to get used to Eloquence.

And yes, the so called natural sounding synthesizers are not as good at high speeds. But then, SAPI5 and one core voices aren't much behind if we compare them to these so called natural voices at moderate voices. I tried a demo of Acapella, didn't like it much. It's high quality voices do sound good, and more human like, but you can't use them at high speeds. The speech becomes incoherent. There is a clatter in the background.  When it comes to high speed functionality, there is nothing better than E[speak and Eloquence.
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Steve Nutt
 

Wow, old timer, Lollipop is years ago.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: 17 July 2018 16:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
Sorry, you're wrong. There's about 18 variants of male and female
voices for US Google TTS.

Ok, great. I will admit the only place I've heard them is on a phone,
running Android lollipop. That one only seemed to have one voice. It sounded
like a voice called Pico.


Problem with NVDA and Braille input

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I don’t use NVDA for Braille all that much, as I tend to be a JAWS user.

 

But I was training a customer yesterday to use it.

 

She has her Braille input table set to Grade 2 UEB, the same as her output table.

 

What happens is, when she writes, Braille is coming out as Computer Braille.  So if she writes the word Test, it becomes Te/.

 

Is there any other setting we need to change, or is this a bug in NVDA?

 

Many thanks.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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Re: Outlook Emails disappearing after writing a reply

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Mike,

This sounds like you are asking if the partially completed email together with the original email (in other words, two documents?) moved into the drafts folder and were both then moved to the Sent Items" folder after being sent out? Have I got that right?

Assuming that I do understand you correctly, I did not actually send out the response and when I opened the drafts folder there was nothing there. So, I don't think the partially-edited message followed this sequence of steps

All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Emails disappearing after writing a reply

∂oes the original email follow the reply into the drafts and then sent folders?

Thanks,
Mike

Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie> wrote:

Anthony,

NO, they have only happened after starting to draft a reply. Note that I would not have finished the reply nor would I have actually sent the reply out. The event happens whilst editing the reply message. Then both the reply itself and the separate, original message disappear!


All the best,

Cearbhall

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cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Emails disappearing after writing a reply

That sounds plausible - a simple check would be: does a message also disappear if you read it but don't reply to it?


Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 22:24:40, Mike Sedmak wrote:

Any chance you have a filter active that would only show unread messages?

On 7/18/18, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Hi all,

Lately, I am mystified as to where emails disappear to after I reply
to them. I have just written a reply to an email which I received a
few minutes ago. When I completed the reply Ans sent the message
off, I found that the original email has disappeared. If it were
deleted I would expect to find it in my Deleted Items folder but it is not there!

Is this an NVDA problem or an Outlook problem?

I am using Outlook 365 with Windows 10

Microsoft Windows Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.165)

NVDA Version: 2018.2.1
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