From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't read items in folder

 

Using win11 21h2 22.856 the Windows Store when updating manually you need to tab once if you want to hear the status of the percentage of an update after it starts downloading.  This has been noticed from time to time, but noticed 100% on this version.

Dave

 

Hi,

Windows Update screen: caused by UIA events, more so when the screen updates things. This is more pronounced on Windows 11 21H2 (original release; I know, this will get complicated for a whiel), resolved in upcoming Windows 11 22H2 (for this reason, I stronlgy recommend anyone running Windows 10 and 11 to tell us exactlu which release they are using so people will not get confused).

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi,

Windows Update screen: caused by UIA events, more so when the screen updates things. This is more pronounced on Windows 11 21H2 (original release; I know, this will get complicated for a whiel), resolved in upcoming Windows 11 22H2 (for this reason, I stronlgy recommend anyone running Windows 10 and 11 to tell us exactlu which release they are using so people will not get confused).

Cheers,

Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2022 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't read items in folder


On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 12:38 PM, Don H wrote:

When I posted the original question I indicated that I was running the
latest released version of Win 10 and NVDA. I was not talking about the
Windows update screen but not being able to work through the entries in
such folders as the documents and download folders.

-
Yes, but several someones have introduced what they believe to be related issues. It's perfectly OK for anyone to respond regarding those issues when they know something about them, but not necessarily the one you originally identified.

But you also need to realize that yours is the very first report of this particular issue that I can recall on the NVDA Group. That really does suggest that this issue is limited, if not strictly to you then to a very small subset of NVDA users.

Whenever any suspected NVDA-related issue is encountered, the first thing to do is: The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues ( https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/81494 )

If the issue seems possibly related to Windows (and this one is clearly in that class) it never hurts, after having tried those basic troubleshooting steps, to do the following:

1. Using DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) and SFC (System File Checker) to Repair Windows 8.1, 10 & 11 ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOc2l4M0Y1V3pkcGM )

2. Performing a Windows 10 or 11 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows ISO file ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1RZiHlLVtXewYBgoSvJNm9_08hj1tALPK )

If #1 fixes the issue, #2 is unnecessary.

All of these steps are part of the process of elimination and step-by-step diagnostics in order to rule-in or rule-out possible factors.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.*

~ Vance Packard

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2022 9:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't read items in folder

 

Hi,

Windows Update screen: caused by UIA events, more so when the screen updates things. This is more pronounced on Windows 11 21H2 (original release; I know, this will get complicated for a whiel), resolved in upcoming Windows 11 22H2 (for this reason, I stronlgy recommend anyone running Windows 10 and 11 to tell us exactlu which release they are using so people will not get confused).

Cheers,

Joseph

Ma plage braille est une Focus 40 Blue.

Je pensais que ça pourrait venir du bluetooth. Mais non puisque le problème est le même quand je la branche en USB.

Et je rappelle que quand je redémarre l'ordi, le braille s'active correctement.

Le 15/08/2022 à 20:33, David Galantin a écrit :

Bonjour,

 

J’ai une plage braille Handytech, elle s’active de façon assez aléatoire au démarrage de l’ordi. Quelle est ta plage braille ?

Du coup je dois taper souvent mon mot de passe à l’ordi.

Au boulot, j’ai une Braillant, je n’ai pas ce souci.

 

Bonne soirée,

 

David

 

Envoyé à partir de Courrier pour Windows

 

De : Patrick Manoury
Envoyé le :lundi 15 août 2022 18:44
À : nvda-fr@groups.io
Objet :Re: [NVDA-fr] Braille, NVDA et démarrage de l'ordi

 

Bonjour,

as tu essayé de charger le pilote dès le chargement de Windows 10 ?

 

Écrire à Patrick

 

Le 15/08/2022 à 17:35, Viny a écrit :

Bonjour la liste,

Je rencontre le problème suivant:

Quand je démarre l'ordi (windows 10) j'entends la petite musique de windows, la synthèse vocale de nvda m'annonce l'écran d'accueil où on me demande d'entrer mon mot de passe. Mais le braille ne fonctionne pas, que ce soit en Bluetooth ou en usb. J'ai beau essayer de recharger le dviver braille avec la commande nvda+k, toujours pas de braille. C'est très embêtant car j'aimerais pouvoir taper mon mot de passe au clavier braille.

Que faire?

A noter que si je redémarre l'ordi depuis l'écran d'accueil, la synthèse et le braille sont là dès l'écran d'accueil et je peux taper mon mot de passe au clavier braille.

Merci d'avance pour vos idées et suggestions.

 

Bonjour,

 

J’ai une plage braille Handytech, elle s’active de façon assez aléatoire au démarrage de l’ordi. Quelle est ta plage braille ?

Du coup je dois taper souvent mon mot de passe à l’ordi.

Au boulot, j’ai une Braillant, je n’ai pas ce souci.

 

Bonne soirée,

 

David

 

Envoyé à partir de Courrier pour Windows

 

De : Patrick Manoury
Envoyé le :lundi 15 août 2022 18:44
À : nvda-fr@groups.io
Objet :Re: [NVDA-fr] Braille, NVDA et démarrage de l'ordi

 

Bonjour,

as tu essayé de charger le pilote dès le chargement de Windows 10 ?

 

Écrire à Patrick

 

Le 15/08/2022 à 17:35, Viny a écrit :

Bonjour la liste,

Je rencontre le problème suivant:

Quand je démarre l'ordi (windows 10) j'entends la petite musique de windows, la synthèse vocale de nvda m'annonce l'écran d'accueil où on me demande d'entrer mon mot de passe. Mais le braille ne fonctionne pas, que ce soit en Bluetooth ou en usb. J'ai beau essayer de recharger le dviver braille avec la commande nvda+k, toujours pas de braille. C'est très embêtant car j'aimerais pouvoir taper mon mot de passe au clavier braille.

Que faire?

A noter que si je redémarre l'ordi depuis l'écran d'accueil, la synthèse et le braille sont là dès l'écran d'accueil et je peux taper mon mot de passe au clavier braille.

Merci d'avance pour vos idées et suggestions.

 

Hello,

 

I have a Handytech braille range, it activates quite randomly when starting the computer. What is your braille beach ?

So I often have to type my password on the computer.

At work, I have a Braillant, I don't have that concern.

 

Good night,

 

David

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 02:33 PM, David Galantin wrote:

Hello,

 

I have a Handytech braille range, it activates quite randomly when starting the computer. What is your braille beach ?

So I often have to type my password on the computer.

At work, I have a Braillant, I don't have that concern.

 

Good night,

 

David

Le 15/08/2022 à 17:35, Viny a écrit :

Bonjour la liste,

Je rencontre le problème suivant:

Quand je démarre l'ordi (windows 10) j'entends la petite musique de windows, la synthèse vocale de nvda m'annonce l'écran d'accueil où on me demande d'entrer mon mot de passe. Mais le braille ne fonctionne pas, que ce soit en Bluetooth ou en usb. J'ai beau essayer de recharger le dviver braille avec la commande nvda+k, toujours pas de braille. C'est très embêtant car j'aimerais pouvoir taper mon mot de passe au clavier braille.

Que faire?

A noter que si je redémarre l'ordi depuis l'écran d'accueil, la synthèse et le braille sont là dès l'écran d'accueil et je peux taper mon mot de passe au clavier braille.

Merci d'avance pour vos idées et suggestions.

 

Agree.

The Windows update settings window is some what bothering with the latest versions. I am afraid whether this has been caused by NVDA or the Windows itself.

The recent update window does not leave the NVDA focus stable, the list of updates keeps moving away from the focus automatically.

Some times it is difficult to see the list of update items and their progress level cannot be read with NVDA.

The focus moves to the Pause button instead of the list.

So Tab and Shift+Tab several times would help to some what find the required details.

It would be more helpful if we can have a standard way with NVDA in these windows.

 

Thanks,

Ravi.

V.S.Ravindran.

Excuses leads to failure!””

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell James
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2022 4:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't read items in folder

 

I have had similar experiences with things like the Windows Update window

Usually when it first opens it says the last time it was updated

However, it is not accessible to the mouse or arrow keys

Then if I use the tab key it seems to put it into focus and the window becomes accessible

 

I have also had to get used to something similar while editing email messages.

However, I don't know what triggers the problem...

Sometimes it is like the message edit box goes out of focus

Then the arrow keys stop speaking the text being edited

If I force the focus to somewhere else like the subject field and come back to the edit box it works  properly again

 

I have only been having these problems in more recent versions of NVDA.

This probably started about a year or so ago...

 

Russ

 

On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 6:25 PM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

Running latest releases of Win 10 and NVDA.
On a random basis I can open a folder such as my documents or downloads
and it appears on the screen to be normal.  However I can not read the
files and folders by either using first letter or up and down arrows.  I
try closing the folder and open it again with same results.  So far the
only way I have found to solve the problem is to close and restart
NVDA.On some instances I have to close and restart NVDA more than once
to resolve the problem.  Is there a better way to handle this problem
when it happens?
Thanks

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2022 8:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't read items in folder

 

Hi,

Windows Update screen: caused by UIA events, more so when the screen updates things. This is more pronounced on Windows 11 21H2 (original release; I know, this will get complicated for a whiel), resolved in upcoming Windows 11 22H2 (for this reason, I stronlgy recommend anyone running Windows 10 and 11 to tell us exactlu which release they are using so people will not get confused).

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't read items in folder

 

Agree.

The Windows update settings window is some what bothering with the latest versions. I am afraid whether this has been caused by NVDA or the Windows itself.

The recent update window does not leave the NVDA focus stable, the list of updates keeps moving away from the focus automatically.

Some times it is difficult to see the list of update items and their progress level cannot be read with NVDA.

The focus moves to the Pause button instead of the list.

So Tab and Shift+Tab several times would help to some what find the required details.

It would be more helpful if we can have a standard way with NVDA in these windows.

 

Thanks,

Ravi.

V.S.Ravindran.

Excuses leads to failure!””

 

 

 

Hi Rui.

My apologies, I have 2 of your add-ons installed at the same time hence the misunderstanding. I have removed the old one that used to use naps, but I am still receiving the error. Is there anything else I can try to get scanning working? Is there anywhere I can specify which driver the program uses? Maybe that would help. I have tried checking the box in settings that says ask for password, that did not help. The beeping also continues as I mentioned previously after the error, and the only way of resolving this is to restart NVDA.

Kind regards,

Mo.

On 14/08/2022 23:33, Rui Fontes wrote:

Sorry, but I think there are here some misunderstanding!

TesseractOCR and NAPS2TesseractOCR are completely differents!

TesseractOCR do not use NAPS2! It uses wia-cmd-scanner to control the WIA compliant scanner and Tesseract to recognize the text found on the digitalized image...

NAPS2TesseractOCR uses NAPS2, a portable app that uses Twain or WIA compliant scanners, and an old version of Tesseract...

Now a days WIA is the standard protocol for scanners...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team

Às 06:45 de 10/08/2022, Mobeen Iqbal escreveu:

Hi.

I'm not sure what the issue could be, but when I try to use NAPS which is what this program is using in the background to scan directly to PDF, it seems to work fine. It also gives me 1 scanner choice. Surely these days we should be using twain as a standard?

Very best wishes,

Mo.

On 10/08/2022 00:58, Gene wrote:

I don't know enough about this subject to be sure that what I am saying is correct but raising the questions may be of benefit.

Is this add-on too limited?  Does it specify only WIA, or is that the result of how the scanner itself is already set up to communicate with the computer?  I wonder if the scanner doesn't work with the add-on because the scanner isn't set up to use WIA.

Gene

On 8/9/2022 4:10 PM, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:

Hello.

I have only just gotten around to trying this add-on. I am running the latest version of NVDA with Windows 10 21H2. My scanner works fine with other programs such as windows fax and scan and DocuScan. However when I try to scan a page from the scanner with this add-on, I receive the following error.

TesseractOCR  dialog  Scan error
Process wia-cmd-scanner failed:
Scanning to file C:\Users\Mobeen (dpi = 300, color mode 'GRAY', output format 'JPG')
Exception occured: Access is denied. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80070005 (E_ACCESSDENIED))

Please make sure your scanner is WIA-compliant and can scan in another application before trying again!
OK  button

I am then prompted if I want to scan another page. When I click no, the program keeps beeping with no way to cancel the process until NVDA is restarted. This is quite annoying. Is there any way around this error? Also in the next version, could you please consider adding a cancel keystroke or cancel button in a window? It would be a real shame if the only way of cancelling a scan job was to restart NVDA. As far as I know, I have all of the relevant drivers installed. It sounds like the add-on is not running with admin privileges or isn't able to save and process the image.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 08/08/2022 21:02, Rui Fontes wrote:

Hello!


One more version of tesseractOCR add-on!


This time the new feature is the multi-page scanning!


Direct link:

https://github.com/ruifontes/tesseractOCR/releases/download/2022.08/tesseractOCR-2022.08.nvda-addon


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team