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Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

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What is github?

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However Github is now owned by Microsoft.
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Hello Maria. As other’s has said, JAWS isn’t free, whereas NVDA is free to
use, however, if you like it, you can donate to the product. Obviously the
developers has got to make money to keep it going, otherwise if it was free
but with no way’s to donate, it would go under. Also, its Open Source, and
it cannot be taken over by a for profit company. And we’ve seem one such
company buying up all its competitors. No way is NVDA going to be swallowed
up or anything like that. This is the major difference between a non-profit
and a for profit company.



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Subject: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws?



How different is NVDA than Jaws? what are some differences?

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Re: I got my tablet working again

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Hi Molly, glad you got your tablit working!

 

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Subject: [nvda] I got my tablet working again

 

Hey guys, molly here again.

I finally got my tablet/nvda working again. From the lock screen, I clicked on the power option, and thank god. The machine restarted itself. Nvda immediately turned on, and just to be sure, I exited and restarted nvda about five times. Okay, not that many.

I don’t know what the problem was to begin with, but I am glad I don’t have to take the machine to the Microsoft store. I’ll try not to panic the next time something like this happens. I am really sorry, you guys, that I freaked out like that. I am going to work really hard at becoming competent nvda user. It’s my goal.


Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

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Well some corporate do give them money as well. I usually send them a donation when a new version comes out. It does not need to be a big donation.


I will be doing another one in the new year.
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I wish I had the means to donate. I always feel so guilty. The developers of Nvda are truly lovely people. They’ve changed millions of lives with Nvda. That’s something to be proud of.



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Hi



as mentioned the price how ever the project does ask for donations if you can to keep this worthy project going.



You are also not limited to the amount of copies you have on a home network or even bigger like what has just been installed to the Christchurch city library network they just installed 390 copies to there public terminals for the public to use.

It will not time out after 30 or 40 minutes then you have to reboot the computer.



the default voice for a windows 10 machine now is windows one core voices but below that is E speak voices. You can also buy synth packages for nvda or use free ones.



The FAQ link that has been provided by a couple of users will give you a run down of some of the differences between jaws and nvda.



You do not have to buy upgrades and again if people can they can donate to the project no matter how small it is it all counts.

They update or do a release 4 times a year so the fixes are pretty quick to be fixed.



The best thing to do is take it for a test drive.







Gene nz



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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

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However Github is now owned by Microsoft.
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Hello Maria. As other’s has said, JAWS isn’t free, whereas NVDA is free to use, however, if you like it, you can donate to the product. Obviously the developers has got to make money to keep it going, otherwise if it was free but with no way’s to donate, it would go under. Also, its Open Source, and it cannot be taken over by a for profit company. And we’ve seem one such company buying up all its competitors. No way is NVDA going to be swallowed up or anything like that. This is the major difference between a non-profit and a for profit company.



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How different is NVDA than Jaws? what are some differences?

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Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

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Putting an alternate view here. To me anything that uses Eloquence is pretty soon either binned or the voice altered to Espeak, Daniel or some other. I have always hated Eloquence for its lisp and nasality, though I do understand it is supposed to be easier at fast speeds, I find completely the opposite. This is just my view and I'm not alone, but I would not say its a fact for everyone. I suspect it depends on how you perceive language and lots of other things. It is a pretty old voice now though.
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Hi Maria
Beside the info of other member, the biggest different I think is NVDA doesn't use Eloquences as the primary speech, and this also not included in the program. If you like, you must buy it, and install into your computer. There is an article named switching from Jaws to NVDA. If you're about to do that, take a look at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA
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How different is NVDA than Jaws? what are some differences?


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Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

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Yes but the thing is any portable version of a screenreader is stuck since it cannot hook in to all the interfaces anyway.
I seem to recall Joseph wrote a piece on this with regard to web browser engines and how they are made accessible. It is true that for any installed system Jaws, in theory, should be better off if you can design the script to get at the video directly much as they had to in the old days.

I personally think it is a scandal that software writers still create inaccessible software by writing it without the right toolkit included.


It should be a ground up decision but as we have seen things like Skype desktop nearly always broke one thing when fixing another.
as a matter of interest, how does Zoom fai with nvda?
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I've heard that Nvda does not have those video intercept. I think it hooks in to the operating system using the Microsoft accessibility
API, and if an application doesn't support those API's, then Nvda won't work with the app. I read it online, but can't remember where.

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The original question was on the difference between Jaws and nvda The differences from my point of you include some keyboard layout differences But the main one I think relates to the use of a Mira driver which jaws uses for the video It used to be called a video intercept this is one of the reasons that you have to reboot your computer after you’ve installed jaws to get that video mirror or whatever they call it now working The other thing is that jaws tends to hold the hand of the use of more And actually provides keystrokes for windows functions that the user would be better off using Windows keys for They also sort of adding these research facilities and all sorts of other weird things into jaws There’s also a lot of legacy things connected with the jaws software From a purely design perspective nvda would be better designed from my point of you than jaws Regards Ian On 23 Dec 2018, at 10:45 am, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi. I spend hours on my tablet and my laptop using nvda to browse the web, check email, watch Netflix, do homework, etc. I love nvda. It's the best screen reading software I've ever used. Although, I do have Jaws on my laptop and like to use it occasionally. Especially for reading my textbooks. For everything else I use Nvda.

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Having been a Window Eyes user for many years I found it easier to switch to NVDA versus Jaws. I have both on my system but use Jaws very little. For what I do which is mostly surfing the net and Email NVDA does really well.

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Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

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Yes this is true of course, buut sometimes at least with windows 10, nvda is not any more able to work as a portable than jaws is, as if it has no video driver, it too is crippled by uia issues that do not have to be used if using a video screen scraping system like they have in jaws.
I guess nvda could add such a driver, it was discussed at length many years ago now, but was decided against due to wanting it to be portable. Unfortunately with Microsoft deciding that security overrides accessibility for portable screenreaders everyone is in trouble now.
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The original question was on the difference between Jaws and nvda
The differences from my point of you include some keyboard layout differences
But the main one I think relates to the use of a Mira driver which jaws uses for the video
It used to be called a video intercept this is one of the reasons that you have to reboot your computer after you’ve installed jaws to get that video mirror or whatever they call it now working
The other thing is that jaws tends to hold the hand of the use of more
And actually provides keystrokes for windows functions that the user would be better off using Windows keys for
They also sort of adding these research facilities and all sorts of other weird things into jaws
There’s also a lot of legacy things connected with the jaws software
From a purely design perspective nvda would be better designed from my point of you than jaws
Regards Ian
On 23 Dec 2018, at 10:45 am, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi. I spend hours on my tablet and my laptop using nvda to browse the web, check email, watch Netflix, do homework, etc. I love nvda. It's the best screen reading software I've ever used. Although, I do have Jaws on my laptop and like to use it occasionally. Especially for reading my textbooks. For everything else I use Nvda.

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Having been a Window Eyes user for many years I found it easier to switch to NVDA versus Jaws. I have both on my system but use Jaws very little. For what I do which is mostly surfing the net and Email NVDA does really well.

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Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

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I would say this though
Jaws has a full time programming team and tries to get scripts written for software used in corporate situations more.
However some differences have not a lot to do with the cost. For example I find that nvda can work better with newer versions of some browsers than Jaws 2018, but the Alexa app on Windows works better in Jaws than in nvda.
Its a good idea to have a Jaws 40 min demo on hand for such reasons.
The field of accessibility is very very complex and decisions have to be made on the best way to do many things, as side effects these can lead to differences. also of course Jaws is going down the extra apps kind of route like its virtual menus to stop having to deal with ribbons. I actually like this but it does add complexity since should Microsoft change something it could play havoc with that system.
I think their recent reduction in cost to the public would most certainly not have happened if NVDA had not been around.
Of course now we even have Narrator joining the party, and although not quite a screenreader I'd want to use, it is a hell of a lot better than it used to be.


One major difference is the different forms of Jaws cursor you can use, but then nvda uses a navigation mode based around objects in screen and object navigation, so you go with whatever method works for you. Brian

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Hi.

Well, for one thing, Nvda is free and open source. Jaws is not free.





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How different is NVDA than Jaws? what are some differences?

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Re: Bootable rescue disk

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Well yes, but he may have reasons for not wanting to start from scratch with all his software.

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Probably not possible unless it is accessible.

To be honest though if you get a virus like that, just reformat and it will be gone.



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How to use bootable rescue disk specially antivirus rescue disk with screen
reader?



Re: Bootable rescue disk

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Well, You might be able to do this if its made using windows using Narrator, but I've not tried it myself. I'm fully expecting if the problems get that bad to have to resort to a pair or eyes to help.

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How to use bootable rescue disk specially antivirus rescue disk with screen
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Re: Want to resume chkdsk

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As far as I know you have to let it go to the end as it restarts again after a new start unless there are hidden files which tell it otherwise, but that would be a security issue I'd have thought.
Also be aware that if any software has changed any of the files it scans to ones modified, the old ones will be put back and this will mean those programs will have to be reinstalled again. that has my experience even on windows 7.
What exactly is the issue you are trying to fix?
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I use Windows 10 1803. Is it possible to pause chkdsk, shut down computer
and resume after turning on computer?



Re: Virus detection of windows defender

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Yes but like all anti virus software, you cannot trust it to find everything. also of course you need to do a complete scan to be as sure as you can be.
Sadly there is no way any software is going to catch everything. I'm assuming you are getting sticks from others and are worried they are not as careful as you are?


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I use Windows 10 1803. Can windows defender detect virus of pendrive and
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Re: nvda/tablet is working again

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They should do the cat test. all cats walk on keyboards its what they do. they also lay over the air intakes of computer fans as well..
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For some reason dust gets in this keyboard and sticks to it. And my cat mr. Jennings tries to walk on the keyboard. I have to push him away.



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I must be missing something here. I have owned 3 asus transformer books, love those little things and never had to clean the connectors.



I guess I could see it happening though.

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On 2018-12-22 1:27 p.m., molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Me too. This keyboard is frustrating. It sometimes stops working. In that case I still have the touchscreen.



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Yep, through my close to 30 years of me using confusers , (I was a curious little cuss at age 5) I also learned that the hard way. Lol!
Glad you got nvda working.
On 22 Dec 2018, at 9:31, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I hope this message doesn’t get sent twice, because last night I was frustrated and said said things I regret.

Anyway, I discovered that while nvda wasn’t talking while using the keyboard, I could still use the touchscreen. I disconnected the keyboard and cleaned it. It collects dust and crap because of the material it’s made from. Anyway, the machine works completely fine now. And our Internet is working again. As soon as I logged on Nvda wanted me to update some addons. So everything works. I really hope I don’t panic the next time something like this happens. Panicking doesn’t solve anything. And it just makes me look stupid.


Re: nvda/tablet is working again

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Its very odd they did not simply make it wireless then no need for any connections except a charger.
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Me too. This keyboard is frustrating. It sometimes stops working. In that case I still have the touchscreen.



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Yep, through my close to 30 years of me using confusers , (I was a curious little cuss at age 5) I also learned that the hard way. Lol!
Glad you got nvda working.
On 22 Dec 2018, at 9:31, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I hope this message doesn’t get sent twice, because last night I was frustrated and said said things I regret.

Anyway, I discovered that while nvda wasn’t talking while using the keyboard, I could still use the touchscreen. I disconnected the keyboard and cleaned it. It collects dust and crap because of the material it’s made from. Anyway, the machine works completely fine now. And our Internet is working again. As soon as I logged on Nvda wanted me to update some addons. So everything works. I really hope I don’t panic the next time something like this happens. Panicking doesn’t solve anything. And it just makes me look stupid.


Re: nvda/tablet is working again

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I'd not be too worried, we have all been there. Yes why is it that some plastics seem to attract muck and others do not?
Has to be due to those pesky Ions again.
What form of connection does the keyboard use to the machine, or is it purely wireless?
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Subject: [nvda] nvda/tablet is working again


Hey guys, Molly here again.

I hope this message doesn't get sent twice, because last night I was
frustrated and said said things I regret.

Anyway, I discovered that while nvda wasn't talking while using the
keyboard, I could still use the touchscreen. I disconnected the keyboard and
cleaned it. It collects dust and crap because of the material it's made
from. Anyway, the machine works completely fine now. And our Internet is
working again. As soon as I logged on Nvda wanted me to update some addons.
So everything works. I really hope I don't panic the next time something
like this happens. Panicking doesn't solve anything. And it just makes me
look stupid.




Re: NVDA not exiting with current version under windows 7 64 bit

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It has not fixed my Dropbox preferences screens issue either, nor does reinstalling dropbox, so it has to be a windows issue, as nvda has been reinstalled. That was the Avastclear program, but its hard to prove it.
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Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 8:51 PM
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I said errors in the registry. I should have said that it is for reregistering some dll files that uninstalling some programs unregisters.

Gene
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Hi,
Maybe I am a bit late to this topic and don't know if it's already solved.
But anyway, once a friend was experiencing the same as you described. We tried almost everything that you could imagine to try fixing it and nothing seemed to work.
So it was when I remembered, on the newest versions of NVDA, there's an option called "Run COM Registration Fixing tool". Well, it definitely solved the problem and all got back to normality.
Don't know if it will help you but you could try this.
P.S.: May I ask if latest NVDA still works on Windows 7? I thought it wasn't working, I'm not sure where I heard it but anyway..



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Em 22/12/2018 12:25, john farina escreveu:

Hi to all,

I am a new member to this group so please forgive me for posting something which may have already been discussed. You may feel free to refer me to the archives of this list for information.

On my windows 7 computer currently running the most up-to-date NVDA version, pressing the exit keystroke does not allow NVDA to exit. That is to say, there is an error sound then the program restarts.

I have done some google searching and found that this might be due to an add-on problem. It seems I have narrowed it down to the Nuance vocalizer add-on, which means of course I can not use this voice. Any thoughts?

Thanks.


Re: NVDA not exiting with current version under windows 7 64 bit

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Yes if it fixed it it was probably a coincidence.
One rule hard learned when troubleshooting a problem is do one thing at a time. do not try more than one or it could make stuff worse and at the very least you will never know what fixed it!
Also when you do anything with the system, set a restore point first, or do a back up.
Always think through what an action may do to other parts of a system.
An example is for instance. If you have a piece of software as I do that had to be hand modified to work on 7 or 10, do be careful with major operating system updates. Back up any files it uses, or the whole app if you can. It will surely be broken by the new install and without some kind of back up its a long job to get back where you were.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not exiting with current version under windows 7 64 bit


That feature is for fixing errors in the registry relating to browse mode not working properly. It has no relation to the problem of NVDA not shutting down properly.

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not exiting with current version under windows 7 64 bit


Hi,
Maybe I am a bit late to this topic and don't know if it's already solved.
But anyway, once a friend was experiencing the same as you described. We tried almost everything that you could imagine to try fixing it and nothing seemed to work.
So it was when I remembered, on the newest versions of NVDA, there's an option called "Run COM Registration Fixing tool". Well, it definitely solved the problem and all got back to normality.
Don't know if it will help you but you could try this.
P.S.: May I ask if latest NVDA still works on Windows 7? I thought it wasn't working, I'm not sure where I heard it but anyway..



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Em 22/12/2018 12:25, john farina escreveu:

Hi to all,

I am a new member to this group so please forgive me for posting something which may have already been discussed. You may feel free to refer me to the archives of this list for information.

On my windows 7 computer currently running the most up-to-date NVDA version, pressing the exit keystroke does not allow NVDA to exit. That is to say, there is an error sound then the program restarts.

I have done some google searching and found that this might be due to an add-on problem. It seems I have narrowed it down to the Nuance vocalizer add-on, which means of course I can not use this voice. Any thoughts?

Thanks.


Re: NVDA not exiting with current version under windows 7 64 bit

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I'm using it on windows 7. There is a restriction on service packs though.

Obviously many other bits of software fail on early non updated versions of 7 as well so I think you might have noticed!

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not exiting with current version under windows 7 64 bit


Hi,
Maybe I am a bit late to this topic and don't know if it's already solved.
But anyway, once a friend was experiencing the same as you described. We
tried almost everything that you could imagine to try fixing it and
nothing seemed to work.
So it was when I remembered, on the newest versions of NVDA, there's an
option called "Run COM Registration Fixing tool". Well, it definitely
solved the problem and all got back to normality.
Don't know if it will help you but you could try this.
P.S.: May I ask if latest NVDA still works on Windows 7? I thought it
wasn't working, I'm not sure where I heard it but anyway..

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Em 22/12/2018 12:25, john farina escreveu:
Hi to all,

I am a new member to this group so please forgive me for posting something which may have already been discussed. You may feel free to refer me to the archives of this list for information.

On my windows 7 computer currently running the most up-to-date NVDA version, pressing the exit keystroke does not allow NVDA to exit. That is to say, there is an error sound then the program restarts.

I have done some google searching and found that this might be due to an add-on problem. It seems I have narrowed it down to the Nuance vocalizer add-on, which means of course I can not use this voice. Any thoughts?

Thanks.








Re: fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

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Remember there will be latency, which if you are a fast typist can be very annoying if you listen to the voice to let you hear what you type. I'd always want wired phones.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard


I'm thinking about getting some Bluetooth headphones for my surface laptop. That would be so cool.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

What world is that in? lol. Unless you're referring to the surface pro 6, then it is about on parr with other laptops with solid state storage.


I mean, unless you want to go with a 1 tb spinning hard drive and in
2018, that's a hard sell.


I was using a computer recently that had a core i7-7820HQ (that's a quad
core processor with 8 threads). It had a mechanical 1 terabyte hard
drive, and it was made last year.


Browsing the web was so much slower than on a machine with a solid state
drive. It shouldn't be - after all the web browser was already loaded -
but it was truly painful. Restarting was just about as painful, to. Even
comparing this to a cheap windows device with a solid state drive - even
EMMC storage - and I truthfully can't recommend a mechanical hard drive
these days. And I'm not even getting into general performance. Moving
around the screen was painfully slow. Opening apps took far longer than
a machine with a hard drive, even 4 or 5 years ago, used to. I'm not
sure if it was the screen reader making performance that much worse, but
it was similar to using a computer, back in the day, that had 256 mb of
ram and ran windows xp. Browsing the web, while doable, was probably my
biggest issue.


So, yes, while the surface go is relatively expensive when you increase
the storage space, it comes with the benefit of having a solid state
drive. In todays day and age, we think windows 10 is very light on
resources. It most assuredly is not.

On 2018-12-22 4:29 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah and I was seriously going to buy one at one point.

Not anymore, they cost more than standard laptops to get one with a
lot of space.



On 12/23/2018 10:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
It sucks that these surface devices have these issues.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard

Oh there will be...

1. Press and hold the power button until the screen turns off (about 10
seconds), then release the power button.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Microsoft logo.
If that doesn't work, use this shutdown process to make sure your
Surface
completely turns off. Here's how:
Press and hold down the power button until your Surface restarts and
you see
the Windows logo screen (this takes about 20 seconds), then release the
power button.
Surface Book, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, and
Surface Pro
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the
screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10
seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
If that doesn't work, use this two-button shutdown process to make
sure your
Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
1. Press and hold the power button on your Surface for 30 seconds and
then
release it.
2.
Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button at the same
time
for at least 15 seconds and then release both.
The screen may flash the Surface logo, but continue holding the
buttons down
for at least 15 seconds.
3. After you release the buttons, wait 10 seconds.
4. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
Surface 3, Surface 2, and Surface RT
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the
screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10
seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
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From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard


There is no way to manually force this Microsoft surface tablet to shut
down. I guess I'll have to go to the Microsoft store. Maybe they can
fix it.


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Spivey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard

Don't be too discouraged, breaking things is quite normal.

If this is a tablet with a separate keyboard, maybe Bluetooth was turned
off, the batteries died or the keyboard was turned off. Tab should at
least
do something, or pressing any other key should interrupt NVDA from
speaking.
If nothing happens even after reboot, we can figure it out from there.

Here's how to power off your tablet.
1. Try pressing the power button. If that doesn't start the process,
maybe
things aren't set up to work that way, or something is preventing it
from
working.
2. The next thing to try would be a hard power off. This depends on the
machine, but generally holding power for at least 5 seconds will do it.
This doesn't give Windows a chance to shut down properly and save
your work,
so I generally only do this if I can't easily shut it down any other
way.
After that, just power it on normally.

On 12/21/2018 4:19 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don't know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my
tablet doesn't seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the windows
key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I press any key
on the keyboard. The only way nvda talks is if I use the mouse.

I don't know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to
ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to
restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.
















Re: fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

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No indeed, and it has mostly been the case with windows over the years, as it always has used what it calls virtual memory, ie hard disc space.
I only use hard drives for backups and storage of non time critical stuff. anything you want now has to be on ssd.

Indeed there is one very fast old computer with a normal drive here, anan ancient dell laptop on xp. It has however got a small drive and hence not a lot of stuff on it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard


What world is that in? lol. Unless you're referring to the surface pro 6, then it is about on parr with other laptops with solid state storage.


I mean, unless you want to go with a 1 tb spinning hard drive and in 2018, that's a hard sell.


I was using a computer recently that had a core i7-7820HQ (that's a quad core processor with 8 threads). It had a mechanical 1 terabyte hard drive, and it was made last year.


Browsing the web was so much slower than on a machine with a solid state drive. It shouldn't be - after all the web browser was already loaded - but it was truly painful. Restarting was just about as painful, to. Even comparing this to a cheap windows device with a solid state drive - even EMMC storage - and I truthfully can't recommend a mechanical hard drive these days. And I'm not even getting into general performance. Moving around the screen was painfully slow. Opening apps took far longer than a machine with a hard drive, even 4 or 5 years ago, used to. I'm not sure if it was the screen reader making performance that much worse, but it was similar to using a computer, back in the day, that had 256 mb of ram and ran windows xp. Browsing the web, while doable, was probably my biggest issue.


So, yes, while the surface go is relatively expensive when you increase the storage space, it comes with the benefit of having a solid state drive. In todays day and age, we think windows 10 is very light on resources. It most assuredly is not.

On 2018-12-22 4:29 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah and I was seriously going to buy one at one point.

Not anymore, they cost more than standard laptops to get one with a lot of space.



On 12/23/2018 10:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
It sucks that these surface devices have these issues.

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Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my
keyboard

Oh there will be...

1. Press and hold the power button until the screen turns off (about 10
seconds), then release the power button.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Microsoft logo.
If that doesn't work, use this shutdown process to make sure your Surface
completely turns off. Here's how:
Press and hold down the power button until your Surface restarts and you see
the Windows logo screen (this takes about 20 seconds), then release the
power button.
Surface Book, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, and Surface Pro
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10 seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
If that doesn't work, use this two-button shutdown process to make sure your
Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
1. Press and hold the power button on your Surface for 30 seconds and then
release it.
2.
Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button at the same time
for at least 15 seconds and then release both.
The screen may flash the Surface logo, but continue holding the buttons down
for at least 15 seconds.
3. After you release the buttons, wait 10 seconds.
4. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
Surface 3, Surface 2, and Surface RT
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10 seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
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From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my
keyboard


There is no way to manually force this Microsoft surface tablet to shut
down. I guess I'll have to go to the Microsoft store. Maybe they can fix it.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my
keyboard

Don't be too discouraged, breaking things is quite normal.

If this is a tablet with a separate keyboard, maybe Bluetooth was turned
off, the batteries died or the keyboard was turned off. Tab should at least
do something, or pressing any other key should interrupt NVDA from speaking.
If nothing happens even after reboot, we can figure it out from there.

Here's how to power off your tablet.
1. Try pressing the power button. If that doesn't start the process, maybe
things aren't set up to work that way, or something is preventing it from
working.
2. The next thing to try would be a hard power off. This depends on the
machine, but generally holding power for at least 5 seconds will do it.
This doesn't give Windows a chance to shut down properly and save your work,
so I generally only do this if I can't easily shut it down any other way.
After that, just power it on normally.

On 12/21/2018 4:19 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don't know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my
tablet doesn't seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the windows
key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I press any key
on the keyboard. The only way nvda talks is if I use the mouse.

I don't know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to
ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to
restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.