You are correct.  Interpreted languages do indeed run slower than purely compiled languages.  However, python (like java) uses a virtual machine to run their code.  This gives them (almost) the speed of compiled languages,  while offering the developer a time savings/convenience of not needing to compile the code.  The python interpreter does that for you the first time you run a piece of python code.  It's also possible to save this compiled version so that the next time you run the code, it can skip the compile step, and just run the virtualized byte code, which saves time as well.

It's an attempt to have the best of both worlds, the compiled speed, and the interpreter ease of use, and interestingly enough, although I'm not a big fan of python, I do have to admit, that for the most part, it succeeds admirably at this task.

On 2/6/2019 8:28 PM, MAX wrote:

Thank you.  That’s interesting.  I have always been told that interpretive languages run more slowly than compiled ones.  Does python have some special feature that makes it fast?

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 3:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] python

 

No, python is an interpreted language, no compiler required.  If you have the python program, that's all you need. 

The IDE merely provides an integrated method of writing, running and editing your code, there's o real benefit to using an IDE over using a command-line stand-alone version of python other than convenience.

On 2/6/2019 4:16 PM, MAX wrote:

But don’t you need a compiler?

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 12:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] python

 

You don't need to download anaconda, that's just the build environment they suggest.  I didn't use it, I just used the python 2.73 program, as that's the one I had at the time.  I would guess python 3.0 would probably work too, but I've not tried it with their course.  You don't need a special ide for using python, just a plain old text editor like notepad will work just fine.

On 2/5/2019 4:24 PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:



hi travis

thanks man

i tried once with edx and i had to download anaconda, which is not accessible

 

 

could you email me privately?

 

email is

 

k_gunness@...

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:05 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] python

 

As far as I know, (and I did take a couple of their courses), the EDX courses are completely accessible.  The courses I've taken didn't have any images showing data you needed to answer a question, so that's a good thing.  The discussions can get a bit heated, but that's normal, no matter what class you're in.  But, specifically the intro to python course is accessible, I know for sure, because I took that one, along with some others, like cell phone technology, and css creation.  (I still don't have a handle on css, but ...)

On 2/4/2019 9:45 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

Sorry i can not help you there about any of the book or courses it was a list from other users that they have used or been pointed to.

 

But i do see the same sort of question asked  periodically about books etc so people can either help out or maybe learn to do a add on etc.

 

if i come across where some of these links are I plan sooner or later to add them to a page.

 

Gene nz

 

Gene nz

.

On 5/02/2019 2:23 PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

the intro to python from edx, is it accessible?

thanks allot

 

kerryn

----- Original Message -----

From: hurrikennyandopo ...

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 6:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] python

 

Hi

 

A few people on the list gave books etc you can learn from. Some are free and some are paid.

 

I put them into a doc file just in case people wanted it.

 

They are below if i come across others I will add to the list.

 

 

 

Learning Python books and courses

 

 

 

 

 

Learn python the hard way https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/

 

A python hands on tutorial http://anh.cs.luc.edu/python/hands-on/3.1/handsonHtml/index.html

 

Python for Everybody: Exploring Data Using Python 3 https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/textbooks/336

 

 

And some online courses,

 

These are free, but if you want a certificate of completion, you can pay for it if you pass the course.

 

 

Introduction to Python for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-for-data-science

 

Python for data science https://www.edx.org/course/python-for-data-science-1

 

Introduction to Python: Absolute Beginner https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-absolute-beginner-2

 

Introduction to Python: Fundamentals https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-fundamentals-2

 

Principles of Machine Learning: Python Edition https://www.edx.org/course/principles-of-machine-learning-python-edition

 

Computing in Python I: Fundamentals and Procedural Programming https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-i-fundamentals-and-procedural-programming-2

 

Computing in Python II: Control Structures https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-ii-control-structures-2

 

Computing in Python III: Data Structures https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-iii-data-structures-2

 

Computing in Python IV: Objects & Algorithms https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-iv-objects-algorithms-2

 

Visualizing Data with Python https://www.edx.org/course/data-visualization-with-python

 

Advanced Algorithmics and Graph Theory with Python https://www.edx.org/course/advanced-algorithmics-and-graph-theory-with-python

 

Analyzing Data with Python https://www.edx.org/course/data-analysis-with-python

 

Deep Learning with Python and PyTorch https://www.edx.org/course/deep-learning-with-python-and-pytorch

 

Python Basics for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/python-basics-for-data-science

 

Machine Learning with Python: A Practical Introduction https://www.edx.org/course/machine-learning-with-python-for-edx

 

Using Python for Research https://www.edx.org/course/using-python-for-research

 

Introduction to Python: Creating Scalable, Robust, Interactive Code https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-creating-scalable-robust-interactive-code

 

Programming with Python for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/programming-with-python-for-data-science

 

Introduction to Programming Using Python https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-programming-using-python

 

CS For All: Introduction to Computer Science and Python Programming https://www.edx.org/course/cs-all-introduction-computer-science-harveymuddx-cs005x-0

 

 

These are all pay courses, but if you are careful, you can buy bundles that have multiple courses in them.

 

 

Stone river elearning has 32 python courses at: https://stoneriverelearning.com/courses/category/Python

 

 

skillwise has several python courses, some of which are listed below.

 

Python Programming Bootcamp 2.0 https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-programming-bootcamp-2-2

 

Python 3 Bootcamp Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-bootcamp-2017-python-3

 

Machine Learning with Python Course and E-Book Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/the-python-machine-learning-online-course-and-book-bundle

 

Deep Learning: Convolutional Neural Networks in Python https://www.skillwise.com/sales/deep-learning-convolutional-neural-networks-in-python

 

The Python Power Coder BONUS Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/the-python-power-coder-bonus-bundle

 

Become a Professional Python Programmer https://www.skillwise.com/sales/become-a-professional-python-programmer

 

Python Tutorial: Python 100% Hands-On - Learn by Coding https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-tutorial-python-100-hands-on-learn-by-coding

 

Pay What You Want: The Python Master Class Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/pwyw-the-python-master-class-bundle

 

 

And, finally, educba.com also has python courses such as:

 

Become a Python Developer

 

Artificial Intelligence with python

python 3.5 Training

The Ultimate python Programming - Novice to Ninja

Practical Projects of python Programming

python:01 - python Fundamentals

Data Science with python

python for Beginners

Machine Learning using python

 

Now, I know the educba classes are expensive if bought separately, but if you hang out on stacksocial.com or even skillwise.com ( at times) you can purchase whole groups of training all at once.  I got a deal for all of stone river Elearning for $59, then for $99 I got the whole collection of educba classes.  (the next day, I saw it for $49) *grumble*), so if you're patient, and if you really want to learn, there's no reason why you can't learn anything you like.  This is just talking about python classes and books, but this works for just about any topic.

 

stackskills.com also has several python courses, and I got access to 1100 plus courses (all it/technology related for $19 again, from stacksocial.com

 

 

 

https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/

 

 

Here's A Byte of Python.

 

 

https://python.swaroopch.com/

 

 

Here's Think Python.

 

 

http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html

 

 

Here's one on programming games.

 

 

http://inventwithpython.com/

 

 

Finally, here's a link somebody posted a while back to stuff Joseph

wrote up.

 

 

 

On 5/02/2019 9:31 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

hi group
do you have any tutorial or book on absolute basic course on python for beginners?
thanks

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I think it is very usefull...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 15:32 de 07/02/2019, Tyler Spivey escreveu:

NVDA can't do what you want natively, but my addon can.
Here's the link again, this time with the readme. I haven't got it put on
the addons site yet because I didn't think it was all that useful, but
maybe it is. Let me know how it breaks and I'll try to fix it.

# Partial Lines

This addon has several operations dealing with lines:
* NVDA+shift+delete changes the up/down arrows to read from the start of
the line to the cursor, from the cursor to the end of the line, or the
entire line.
* NVDA+shift+page up reads from the start of the line to the cursor
* NVDA+shift+page down reads from the cursor to the end of the line.

https://github.com/tspivey/partialLines/releases/download/v0.1/partialLines-0.1.nvda-addon
On 2/7/2019 7:22 AM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:

Yes, it is!

Rkobert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de
Steve Nutt
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:19
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

I thought NVDA+Down was read all.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the
blind tech lover
Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA
plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert
Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line
before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert

I think it is very usefull...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 15:32 de 07/02/2019, Tyler Spivey escreveu:

NVDA can't do what you want natively, but my addon can.
Here's the link again, this time with the readme. I haven't got it put on the addons site yet because I didn't think it was all that useful, but maybe it is. Let me know how it breaks and I'll try to fix it.

# Partial Lines

This addon has several operations dealing with lines:
* NVDA+shift+delete changes the up/down arrows to read from the start of the line to the cursor, from the cursor to the end of the line, or the entire line.
* NVDA+shift+page up reads from the start of the line to the cursor
* NVDA+shift+page down reads from the cursor to the end of the line.

https://github.com/tspivey/partialLines/releases/download/v0.1/partialLines-0.1.nvda-addon On 2/7/2019 7:22 AM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:

Yes, it is!

Rkobert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Steve Nutt
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:19
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

I thought NVDA+Down was read all.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert

Yes, it is!

Rkobert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de
Steve Nutt Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:19 À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

I thought NVDA+Down was read all.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the
blind tech lover
Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert
Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert

On Feb 7, 2019, at 9:46 AM, AKH AKH <tvz@...> wrote:

Hi Chantelle


Great advice, thanks. My next challenge is to take out a few seconds of
video clip from the middle of a longer video. It seems that people who
can see set some kind of marker at the start and end of the section they
want to cut out. I have tried using trim, but this cuts the video
before and after the bit I want to cut and when I press cut command from
the edit menu I am left with only the bit I do not want and the video
parts I do want is deleted.


Andrew

On 07/02/2019 12:47, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.

In movie maker you have to go to video tools and tab until you get to
speed. There you can speed up the video. I've tested it and it does
work there.

Chantelle

On 2/7/19, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@...> wrote:
Hi.

Movie maker doesn't work as it use to but, wow, I've forgotten about
that effect.

Let me try to speed up a video I have and see if mine works?

Chantelle

On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@...> wrote:
I'm using NVDA and Windows 10 and I'm trying to apply an effect to my
video. How can I do this with keyboard commands. I get to the effects
list and choose 'speed up video' but I can't get it to work.


Andrew

--
Never give up, at any cost.

Hi Chantelle


Great advice, thanks.  My next challenge is to take out a few seconds of
video clip from the middle of a longer video.  It seems that people who
can see set some kind of marker at the start and end of the section they
want to cut out.  I have tried using trim, but this cuts the video
before and after the bit I want to cut and when I press cut command from
the edit menu I am left with only the bit I do not want and the video
parts I do want is deleted.


Andrew


On 07/02/2019 12:47, Chantelle Buys wrote:

Hi.

In movie maker you have to go to video tools and tab until you get to
speed. There you can speed up the video. I've tested it and it does
work there.

Chantelle

On 2/7/19, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@...> wrote:

Hi.

Movie maker doesn't work as it use to but, wow, I've forgotten about
that effect.

Let me try to speed up a video I have and see if mine works?

Chantelle

On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@...> wrote:

I'm using NVDA and Windows 10 and I'm trying to apply an effect to my
video.  How can I do this with keyboard commands.  I get to the effects
list and choose 'speed up video' but I can't get it to work.


Andrew

--
Never give up, at any cost.

NVDA can't do what you want natively, but my addon can.
Here's the link again, this time with the readme. I haven't got it put on the addons site yet because I didn't think it was all that useful, but maybe it is. Let me know how it breaks and I'll try to fix it.
# Partial Lines
This addon has several operations dealing with lines:
* NVDA+shift+delete changes the up/down arrows to read from the start of the line to the cursor, from the cursor to the end of the line, or the entire line.
* NVDA+shift+page up reads from the start of the line to the cursor
* NVDA+shift+page down reads from the cursor to the end of the line.
https://github.com/tspivey/partialLines/releases/download/v0.1/partialLines-0.1.nvda-addon On 2/7/2019 7:22 AM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:

Yes, it is!

Rkobert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Steve Nutt
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:19
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

I thought NVDA+Down was read all.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert

Yes, it is!

Rkobert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Steve Nutt
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:19
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

I thought NVDA+Down was read all.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert

Yes, it is!
Rkobert
-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Steve Nutt
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:19
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
I thought NVDA+Down was read all.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.
Molly
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Hi, everyone,
This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?
I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!
Thanks a lot,
Robert

Hi
I have Outlook 2007 and after pressing enter on a message in the folder
list, NVDA reads the text in the subject box not the whole line, then it
announces the message format, then the control type i.e "Dialog, Message
document, multi-line", then it reads the first line of the message body.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: 6 February 2019 15:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

No.  When I open  your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does
not read the subject line.  Yes, I am using outlook 2013.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA,
performing with the same programs.

NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at
reading the unread messages in the folder tree.

It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message,
though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off
object descriptions.

JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook
verbosity.

This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into
some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings.  There is also no
search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does
it so well.

All the best

Steve

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Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and
live mail.OK discontinued software but many  still use them like myself with
the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a
very capable  email and newsgroup  program and chose to use the awfully
limited  windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook
route.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


> Hi,
>
> In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what
> gives it the advantage.
>
> You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
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> Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
>
> OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane
> then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation
> modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not
> interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered
> stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but
> since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes,
> given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that.
> I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor
> loaded in windows 7.
> Brian
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
> Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to
>> say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more
>> responsive for me now than JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control
>> Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it
>> wouldn't speak any of that window.  I realise it was limited to a few
>> configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time.  I also realise
>> that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than
>> problems with NVDA.
>>
>>
>>
>> In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while
>> yet,
>
>> I
>> think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.
>>
>>
>>
>> But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA.  For example,
>> it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you
>> Control+Y in Outlook.  This is seriously annoying to me and one
>> reason I couldn't use it full time.  It is visually there, and JAWS
>> reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
>> You can't just do a screen find, and click on it.  We really need an
>> equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to
>> screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more
>> polish than NVDA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
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Or you could use Windows D, which is more reliable.  M just means Minimise everything, whereas D takes you to the Desktop.

All the best

Steve

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: 06 February 2019 23:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Hey guys.
My apologies. I'm so used to laptops that I forget desktop machines still exist. From what I gather, the NVDA commands are different in desktop layout.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

If in object navigation/default mode, just hit numpad 7 and 9, without the insert key - in the documentation/command quick reference, it says something along the lines of numpad 7 = Moves the review cursor to the previous line of the current navigator object and speaks it, and, numpad
9 = Moves the review cursor to the next line of the current navigator object and speaks it.


The wording in the documentation might be slightly different since I just extracted those form the input help - also NVDA key + number row 1 to toggle that on/off, but anyway.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
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On 2019-02-07 4:12 PM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:

No problem to read the current line. I often just need reading the line before and/or after the cursor. For instance, with Jaws, insert+7 enable to read the line before the cursor and insert+9 the line after the cursor ! I'd like to do the same with NVDA.

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de
molly the blind tech lover Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 15:00 À :
nvda@nvda.groups.io Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's
line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert
Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert