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Re: NVDA and teemtalk?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yeah, somebody put their finger in the leak.. :-)
Brian

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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and teemtalk?


That was an issue with the NVDACon TeamTalk server that has now been fixed.
Luke

On 1 Jun 2018, at 19:52, Matt Turner <meturner2214@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi folks.
Trying to log in to nvdacon with teemtalk.
I've never seen this message come up before.
An error occurred while perform a requested command:
Commands are issued too fast. Flood protection.

OK



Re: Easiest Way to Upgrade an Existing Portable Installation

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The only difference in the process now between portable and installed is that you have to click OK on the portable one to run it at the end.
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Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2018 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Easiest Way to Upgrade an Existing Portable Installation


Hi


Have you already got nvda installed? if so do the following.


If you grab the latest version of NVDA which is 2018.2 rc2 make sure you
install it to your computer first.

The reason for this is after you have made a portable copy now you do
not have to do all the other steps as you used to do.

While nvda is running use the nvda key + letter N, arrow down to tools a
sub menu will come off it then arrow down to the one that says make a
portable copy then press the enter key.

The next screen that comes up it will land in a edit area. Now
install your usb stick into the computer you should hear nvda say the
drive letter like e: drive. While in the edit area still make sure it is
clear as in no text then type in the drive letter and folder name. for
example e:\nvda Then tab a couple of times and you will hear nvda say
copy current configuration. If you want to check the box with the space
bar then Next you will hear nvda say Start the new portable copy after
creation and you can if you want it to start check this box as well.
Then tab to continue then press the enter key it will now install nvda
to your usb stick in a folder called nvda on the e:\ drive and put all
the files into it.

After that has been done the next time you want to upgrade the version
of nvda while it is running from off the usb stick is go to the help
menu then check for updates. It will tell you if there is one. If there
is you can then download it to your usb stick. it will then give you a
message when it is down press the enter key on the ok button then
install it. It will update over the version that is on the usb stick
just like you do when you use the installer copy of nvda.

I put a audio tutorial up on the nvda audio tutorials page showing it
can be either done on a usb stick or off a portable version on the
computer.. I think in the tutorial it also shows how to post pone the
update 2.

I think the tutorial is called like the new update feature and post
poning a update but it is around the USB section on the page.

Hope the above helps.

Gene nz

On 6/2/2018 4:54 AM, Richard Wells wrote:
Could some kind soul outline steps for upgrading an existing portable
installation of NVDA? I keep having to start over each time an upgrade
is released, because I can't figure out how to use the executable to
direct its update path to, say, e:\nvda. Thanks in advance for your
guidance.






Re: Easiest Way to Upgrade an Existing Portable Installation

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Yes you just go to help and check for updates.
Of course this assumes there is a new version to get.
I see this automatically happening as my working version is the master snapshots.
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Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2018 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Easiest Way to Upgrade an Existing Portable Installation


I'm thinking he might. So, is there a way to upgrade the portable version if you have no installed copy on said system?

On Jun 1, 2018, at 12:10 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I'm wondering if he means if you are running a portable version. it will become a lot easier when this next update is released as you can actually download and install portable versions as it knows the path you are running it from, which makes things a whole lot nicer to do.
At the moment, if you have an older version, run it, do a check for updates and the download will end up being done in your default browser, then you can run it as before but you still need to tell it where to overwrite the version you were running. However if that new version is the current rc or master or next snap, you will find that as the download now is handled by the portable copy, it prompts only for install or postpone.
Most of the navigation and browsing for folders is gone, but you can still create new versions or indeed make an installed version from the copy as previously mentioned.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Easiest Way to Upgrade an Existing Portable Installation


Richard,

Well, you don't really update an existing portable copy of NVDA, you just re-create it either during your install of the NVDA update or afterward, following the directions below:

*Creating a Portable Copy of NVDA from the Installed Copy*

1. Open NVDA then the main NVDA menu (NVDA Key+N)

2. Down Arrow to the Tools Submenu, then right Arrow to open the Tools Submenu

3. Down arrow to the Create Portable Copy submenu item and activate.

4. In the Create Portable NVDA dialog, I find it easiest to navigate to the Browse button and activate same to get a Browse dialog to specify the folder where I want the portable copy to be placed. This is almost always a thumb drive or SD Card, but you can create it in a folder on your hard drive and later copy it elsewhere

5. If you wish to copy your current user configuration to the same folder along with the portable copy, then check the Copy current user configuration checkbox

6. If you wish to start the portable copy you're creating immediately after creating it, check the Start the new portable copy after creation checkbox

7. Navigate to the Continue button and activate. Your portable copy will be created in the location you specified in Step 3.



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Re: browse mode

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

I've encountered this sometimes in Chrome.


I just hit [NVDA Key]+[F5] to refresh the screen and Browse mode navigation shortcut keys work as normal.


I use several extensions in Google Chrome to strip away ads and banners. Think the downside to that is the end results isn't past to NVDA fully sometimes, thus I refresh.

On 6/2/2018 5:06 PM, Brennen Kinch wrote:
hi has anyone had any trouble with using brows mode in latest versions of NVDA
particularly with using the shortcut keys in brows mode for example when I press the H key for headings it says no checkboxes no edit box no link but it doesn’t say anything about headings
I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA am resetting my configurations of no luck can anyone please help me


Possible Bug in 2018RC2: When navigating in Word 2016's backstage view items are repeated twice

David Goldfield
 

Hi.

Not sure if this is a new bug but I don't recall this occurring with 2018.1.1.


Issue: When navigating in Word 2016's backstage view (file menu) each item is announced twice.


Steps to Reproduce

1. Open Word 2016 (Office 365.)

2. Press alt+F to open the backstage view.

3. Press down arrow to navigate items.


Actual Results

Each item is being announced twice. Example: "new new" "open open" 


Expected Results

Each item should be announced once.

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Fixing AutoLinks FireFox

David Russell
 

Hello NVDA,

I have not had much time since posting the question about how to fix
things so that when entering URLs they appear as auto-links on
facebook posts in particular. However, Brian guided me in the possible
right direction in suggesting it is a FB thing. FB meaning Facebook.
They have some articles on this at their website that will take some
time to read and understand and determine just where the fix needs to
occur.
I wonder how my sighted peers who are writers are getting links to
post in Facebook? Guess reading the literature will tell me.
Thanks for your interest.

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Re: browse mode

Brennen Kinch
 

can I Skype with Eugene so we can work out some of those things I’m not sure I could write them all down in the email

On Jun 2, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:

hi


Out of curiosity do you hear sounds or hear browse mode and focus mode
when you go between those modes?


if it is the sound one i think you hear a letter sound and when you are
out of focus mode you hear another sound.


if you want to hear them spoken have a look under the browse mode
settings and uncheck the following box called Audio indication of focus
and browse modes

then save your settings.


If you tab a couple of times do you hear unknown or pane?


Do you also hear it under say the running applications part on windows
and it is not speaking the icons down there and some other stuff like that?


By the way which version of nvda are you running? did you download the
latest nvda 2018.2 rc2 version if so there is a tool in this version of
nvda that might fix it.


If you are not really getting that stuff then we can sus some thing else
out and maybe narrow it a little.


Gene nz



On 6/3/2018 11:50 AM, Brennen Kinch wrote:
no I’m using the full version of NVDA not any snapshots also it looks like I am in the full webpage when I’m doing this so I’m not sure what’s going on and it seems to be happening with all web browsers as well
On Jun 2, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Brennen Kinch <brennenkinch@gmail.com> wrote:

hi has anyone had any trouble with using brows mode in latest versions of NVDA
particularly with using the shortcut keys in brows mode for example when I press the H key for headings it says no checkboxes no edit box no link but it doesn’t say anything about headings
I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA am resetting my configurations of no luck can anyone please help me

Sent from my iPhone



Re: browse mode

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi


Out of curiosity do you hear sounds or hear browse mode and focus mode
when you go between those modes?


if it is the sound one i think you hear a letter sound and when you are
out of focus mode you hear another sound.


if you want to hear them spoken have a look under the browse mode
settings and uncheck the following box called Audio indication of focus
and browse modes

then save your settings.


If you tab a couple of times do you hear unknown or pane?


Do you also hear it under say the running applications part on windows
and it is not speaking the icons down there and some other stuff like that?


By the way which version of nvda are you running? did you download the
latest nvda 2018.2 rc2 version if so there is a tool in this version of
nvda that might fix it.


If you are not really getting that stuff then we can sus some thing else
out and maybe narrow it a little.


Gene nz

On 6/3/2018 11:50 AM, Brennen Kinch wrote:
no I’m using the full version of NVDA not any snapshots also it looks like I am in the full webpage when I’m doing this so I’m not sure what’s going on and it seems to be happening with all web browsers as well
On Jun 2, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Brennen Kinch <brennenkinch@gmail.com> wrote:

hi has anyone had any trouble with using brows mode in latest versions of NVDA
particularly with using the shortcut keys in brows mode for example when I press the H key for headings it says no checkboxes no edit box no link but it doesn’t say anything about headings
I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA am resetting my configurations of no luck can anyone please help me

Sent from my iPhone


Re: browse mode

Sam Taylor
 

Hi,

What message is returned if you go into a browser, turn input help on, with NVDA+1, and then press H?


On 3/06/2018 09:50, Brennen Kinch wrote:
no I’m using the full version of NVDA not any snapshots also it looks like I am in the full webpage when I’m doing this so I’m not sure what’s going on and it seems to be happening with all web browsers as well
On Jun 2, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Brennen Kinch <brennenkinch@...> wrote:

hi has anyone had any trouble with using brows mode in latest versions of NVDA
particularly with using the shortcut keys in brows mode for example when I press the H key for headings it says no checkboxes no edit box no link but it doesn’t say anything about headings
I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA am resetting my configurations of no luck can anyone please help me

Sent from my iPhone



Re: browse mode

Brennen Kinch
 

no I’m using the full version of NVDA not any snapshots also it looks like I am in the full webpage when I’m doing this so I’m not sure what’s going on and it seems to be happening with all web browsers as well

On Jun 2, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Brennen Kinch <brennenkinch@gmail.com> wrote:

hi has anyone had any trouble with using brows mode in latest versions of NVDA
particularly with using the shortcut keys in brows mode for example when I press the H key for headings it says no checkboxes no edit box no link but it doesn’t say anything about headings
I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA am resetting my configurations of no luck can anyone please help me

Sent from my iPhone


Reading capitals in NVDA

Sam Taylor
 

Hi all,

I've received the following query from a user and, whilst I don't think the feature exists, I thought I'd raise the query on-list to see if there's a way the following can be accomplished:

In the default setting, JAWS reads capitals the same way NVDA does, by an elevation in pitch, and only when you are spelling a word out letter by letter.  However, JAWS has an additional setting that allows it to indicate capitals by elevating the pitch of any word with a cap in it, whether you are reading by word, line, paragraph or say-all.  If you incorrectly put a capital letter on “morphine” in a medical report, nobody is going to die.  But work for a publisher must be letter-perfect.  You can hardly read an entire article, much less a whole novel, letter by letter just to make sure all the caps are in the right places! 

If anybody knows if, via an add-on, there is such an adjustment to cap reading possible in NVDA and how to accomplish it, I would be grateful if you were to get in touch.


Many thanks

Sam



Re: browse mode

Sarah k Alawami
 

Are you using any snaps? I'm not having the issue over here. Also are you actually inside the web page?

On Jun 2, 2018, at 2:06 PM, Brennen Kinch <brennenkinch@gmail.com> wrote:

hi has anyone had any trouble with using brows mode in latest versions of NVDA
particularly with using the shortcut keys in brows mode for example when I press the H key for headings it says no checkboxes no edit box no link but it doesn’t say anything about headings
I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA am resetting my configurations of no luck can anyone please help me



browse mode

Brennen Kinch
 

hi has anyone had any trouble with using brows mode in latest versions of NVDA
particularly with using the shortcut keys in brows mode for example when I press the H key for headings it says no checkboxes no edit box no link but it doesn’t say anything about headings
I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA am resetting my configurations of no luck can anyone please help me


Re: got to the nvda con late, but interesting and a questionabout snapshot vs official versions

Scott VanDeWalle
 

Hello, thanks everyone for the help.

I got it figured out and now I’m on the official version.

Ttyl

Scott


Re: NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

Jason White
 

Having just upgraded a machine to 2018.2-rc2, everything seems to be stable so far, including the Braille-Extender add-on. I’m still experiencing the issue with the braille display not being active after returning to the desktop from laptop suspend (it’s properly re-activated during the log-in dialogue, but lost upon returning to the desktop). I reported the details in another thread.

 

However, I was seeing that problem under 2018.1, so it isn’t a regression in 2018.2.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 7:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Thanks Felix!

 

Also, for those used to getting to the settings dialogs with the shortcut keys (NVDA+control+k to get to keyboard, NVDA+control+d for document formatting etc), those keys all still work.  It's just if you go via the NVDA menu, the key sequence has slightly changed.

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:53 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:

Wow! Congrats on an excellent RC from my point of view.

Just noticed that the preferences dialogs have been completely redesigned as a single dialog with categories. That'll take some getting used to, but I think the move is rational.

Best,

Felix

 

2018-06-01 2:31 GMT+02:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:

No problem at all - and a much easier fix than if we had broken speech in the new version :)

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

Boy, do I feel stupid.  I installed 1803.1 rc2 by mistake.  I installed the correct version and all is working as it should.  Thanks,  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Hi Gary,

 

By "Verra", do you mean Microsoft Zira (and if so, SAPI 5 or OneCore?) or do you know which synthesizer or language she comes with?

If a OneCore voice, we released NVDA 2018.1.1 specifically to address the OneCore voices from sounding like chipmunks in the Windows 10 April update, so if anything updating from anything to NVDA 2018.2rc2 should be more likely to fix that issue than cause it.  What do you have the rate and pitch etc set to, and what do you have the speed set to in Windows speech settings?

 

I have been using eSpeak lately, but I changed to OneCore and SAPI 5 and I don't notice anything odd about Zira myself (happy to admit, that could just be "myself")

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

I just installed rc2.  I j\ use verra now she sounds like she is on helium.  What can I do to get it back the way I like it?  Thanks for any help.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 7:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Hi everyone,

 

Well I was a little slow to post about NVDA 2018.2rc1, and before I had a chance, rc2 is out!

 

This is a release candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this will be identical to the final 2018.2 release.

 

Highlights of this release include Support for tables in Kindle for PC, support for HumanWare BrailleNote Touch and BI14 Braille displays, Improvements to both Onecore and Sapi5 speech synthesizers, improvements in Microsoft Outlook and much more.

 

You can download NVDA 2018.2rc2 here: https://www.nvaccess.org/download?nvdaVersion=2018.2rc2

 

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

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Re: Slack accessibility status?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I don't think there is an blog on accessibility. They say they will work on it. I don't use any clients but the one on my phone due to the inaccessibility and slow usage of the sites and web apps.

On Jun 2, 2018, at 9:55 AM, Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

Thanks! Is there an accessible desktop client yet? What is the status of automatic reading of incoming messages using ARIA? Is there an accessibility blog category I can keep up with? I would like to continue to get accessibility updates. I tried it, and, it works best on windows with FireFox. Sometimes, the sounds stutter when NVDA is talking, but this only happens in FireFox 60. Thanks again and keep me informed!


On 6/2/2018 1:42 AM, Tomi (Slack) wrote:
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Jun 1, 11:42 PM PDT

Hi Robert,

I'm just jumping in for Alan and Bel to let you know that we've added in-channel notification sounds for messages, @-mentions, and highlight words, and this should work for your NVDA + Windows configuration.

I hope this helps! Best,

Tomi


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Re: Slack accessibility status?

 

Thanks! Is there an accessible desktop client yet? What is the status of automatic reading of incoming messages using ARIA? Is there an accessibility blog category I can keep up with? I would like to continue to get accessibility updates. I tried it, and, it works best on windows with FireFox. Sometimes, the sounds stutter when NVDA is talking, but this only happens in FireFox 60. Thanks again and keep me informed!


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Tomi (Slack)

Jun 1, 11:42 PM PDT

Hi Robert,

I'm just jumping in for Alan and Bel to let you know that we've added in-channel notification sounds for messages, @-mentions, and highlight words, and this should work for your NVDA + Windows configuration.

I hope this helps! Best,

Tomi


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Re: How to read Command Prompt using NVDA

Adlevision
 

This drove me crazy, and the replies in this thread, though trying to be helpful, just re-iterated the same admonishment to use the review cursor (nvda key + arrow keys for those of us without a number keybpad).  For me, turned out I needed to maximize the window with Win+up arrow.  Then the review cursor worked as expected.


Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Wow--brain implants? That sounds so freaky!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Actually, I was thinking the other day, that it won't be long before we have brain implants and everyone will be doing twitter and Face Book via thought.
We'll definitely need self-driving cars then.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 1:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

No we will eventually get a brain implant to communicate instead.

Brian

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From: "Janet Brandly" <jbrandly@shaw.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


I can see voice activation taking off in a home setting but not in an office
or public setting. Keyboards will be around forever.
Janet

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question. Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other
apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell
the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John


Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:51 pm, Gene wrote:
I didn't say my opinion has been scientifically proven nor that it applies to everyone.  I think, I don't know, that it applies to the majority, perhaps to most people but I don't know that.  I said it should be studied.
If you look at the corpus of existing research in the areas of reading education and communication sciences and disorders there's plenty of existing evidence already that demonstrates at the neurological level that the areas that activate in the brain while "just speaking" or "just writing" are different, though, obviously, there is a lot of overlap.

Anyone who writes for a living, or has written extensively, can also tell you that the written form of any language versus the spoken form, in formal (and not formal as in academic, but publication in general) settings is quite difference than spoken language.

I have no objection whatsoever to dictation software, per se, but all it does is get what is coming out of one's mouth into writing.  That's only the first step of a long process of editing and revision if one is actually planning to publish something.  First drafts are notoriously bad in general, even for the best writers.  In fact, if you read writers on writing, they'll be the first people to say that writing and speaking are two distinctly different arts.
 
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